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I honestly think the only state that's really done a good job is Vermont. The other "relatively well" states only look good compared to the very low bar of the country as a whole. Here are some of the reasons Vermont did so well....
The study looked at formal psychiatric diagnoses, not just feeling anxious. There’s a big difference.
You don't get published in a peer reviewed journal without substance. You don't get published for "scare tactics". You really think you have enough knowledge and experience to discredit all of the scientists/physicians that gathered the data for that and put it together?
Yep, I saw this dumb idea all summer and going into the fall. Illinois had stricter responses for a bit, so no surprise - we saw a little bit of an uptick in at the store as Ill people drove north to WI Dells and other places around here. We even worse seem to be trying to handle it county by county in WI as Evers' suggestions get shut down but then county health departments stepped up because Madison was seeing spikes. So now we have seen sports teams coming over to our town across the Dane Co border to practice. 0 surprise the cases around here are climbing fast. We 100% need national leadership and rules for this. I don't get why handling a pandemic is not something people think should be under federal control.
I'm beginning to think we're almost back at "the Earth is the center of the Solar System" territory.
It's been building for a bit as our reading comprehension and science understanding eroded. Then on top of that we add in social media and a leader who has eroded trust in news and science in a massive way.
In New Orleans, since the beginning of July, at all the big-box retailers, grocery stores, etc. there are two NOPD deputies stationed at the entrances. Issuing a citation is not their first response to someone attempting to enter without a mask, but they will be happy to do so for anyone unmasked who cares to escalate the situation.
In practice ... no, they aren't patrolling streets pulling over random bare-faced people. They're saving the citations for any aggressively refusing to wear a mask in an indoor retail establishment or similar.
Looking at rt.live VT is a dumpster fire right now.. As are NY, CA, IL, ME, OR. States that crushed personal liberty in the effort to curb the virus. My lowly country bumpkin state, AL, has continued to have a transmission record better than those states while largely retaining personal freedoms (though we were very early on the mask mandate). I'm confused on the love for VT here.
As our opportunity to gain knowledge increased, so did the potential for misinformation, and boy does it show!
no...his responses are a direct result of what he believes is best for him and what he thinks is best for him is to fire up his base. It's pretty clear the hardcore supporters were having none of the mask talk, so that likely wouldn't have changed. Politicization of masks and this false argument of "taking away rights/liberty" etc by making people wear masks will go down as one of the dumbest, most childish moves in our country's political history and that's saying something.
Well aware - voted for Byrne in the primary. I was disappointed in the R choice here.
For sure. I was just poking around on THIS interactive map, and it's not like any state is kicking the viruses ### or anything. Even the touted Ala looks like it climbing back up to their July 15th peak right now.
I really hope so. More importantly, I really really really hope we can learn something from this in the next few years. This feels a little bit like Mother Nature giving us a warm up - what happens when don't learn from this, and the next thing that comes our way is as contagious but even deadlier?The Commish said:
I have an opinion so yeah, I can express that. You don't agree that's fine. But it's a dumb reportgianmarco said:
Survival of the fittest takes over. Many of us have learned how to deal with this sort of thing. If people continue to ignore the science and ignore the simple things they can do to help themselves and each other, they aren't going to be around for very long. I mean this thread SHOWS how lacking some are in this case. Posts on the last few pages even illustrate it. Some can't see the forest for the trees. They will be those that struggle the most as they aren't capable (or unwilling to) of adapting.
All of it. It won't do anything. Unenforceable on pretty much every level. Probably not legal except in narrow application.KarmaPolice said:
If followed and taken seriously, we have seen it help a lot in slow it down. IMO you are dipping into SC territory here with words like "solve", like he uses "stop".
So we should get rid of pretty much every law? For example you can use the statements above to describe shoplifting, drinking and driving, even murder. Of course why we won't is because the vast majority of people are law abiding. It will only take a few examples of people that get arrested for not wearing a mask, if there is a mandate, to get the rest of the non-mask wearing population to fall in line and respect the law like they do every other law.
This is actually down by a good number from Aug/Sept. Sucks, the position they've been put in for no legit reason.
Vermont looks like a dumpster fire based on rt.live because the rate of transmission was so low to begin with. New cases per day/population, Vermont is still 1/3 of your lowly country bumpkin state.Kao-Lin said:
Well, yeah, if you want to use math. But math is part of science. You can't believe in that.
I'm not sure how much more specific I can get
All the posts doing these things...without exception.
Vermont has a significantly lower low income/PoC population, not to mention lack of significant urban areas. It started at a huge wealth inequality advantage in this area.
He's a lot of things and "predictable" is certainly one of them. 10 seconds? I'll take the under.
