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Just now, Godsbrother said:

It is the job of both parties to come up with bill that will help the American people and that takes compromise and sacrifice.   It is a shame that they can't do that during a crisis and a blows my mind that some people continue to cheer for one party when they are both absolute failures.    

I have a memory like an elephant and I can hold a grudge with the best of them. I am going to remember this as I'm sure most will. I absolutely will not be voting for any incumbent that is in Congress now. Hopefully most Americans will remember this sorry display by both sides. So no vote for Scott, Rubio, and especially Waltz for me.

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This bill should not be about leverage or pet projects. Simply cut a check to whoever you decide will get it and move on. 

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2 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

This bill should not be about leverage or pet projects. Simply cut a check to whoever you decide will get it and move on. 

:goodposting:  They need to cut the bull and get something passed to help the American people.   Anything that cannot be agreed to should be removed and tried separately in a different bill.

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I wish people were this outraged about subsidies for the fossil fuel industry and corporations like Amazon and hundreds of other fortune 1000 who don't pay any taxes.  Oh well.

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1 minute ago, Godsbrother said:

:goodposting:  They need to cut the bull and get something passed to help the American people.   Anything that cannot be agreed to should be removed and tried separately in a different bill.

And all of this crap is precisely why they cant even pass a real budget ever.  And even with that said...if they cant even figure this out...get rid of any that are holding this up with complete garbage.

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Yeah, if you're singling out one party over another for this ####show, you're doing it wrong.  Thoroughly wrong.

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I’ll be surprised if a deal isn’t reached by tonight. Sounds like a lot of posturing to me. They’ll get it done. 

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7 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

Ok, but at this time I'm not going to argue with anyone Dem vs Rep.  All I know is they need to agree on something and get it in play.  I hate politicians. 

Good lord, look at your thread title. :lmao: 

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Republicans say Democrats are trying to stick in energy provisions, while Democrats say Republicans are trying to reauthorize an abstinence education program. 

Vote them all out

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13 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

This bill should not be about leverage or pet projects. Simply cut a check to whoever you decide will get it and move on. 

Exactly. It's a one-time shot for some heavyweight pigs to feast from the trough and requires keen oversight to make sure they don't get away with it. This idea to ram through whatever is asinine.

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Posted (edited)

Student loan forgiveness....or a slush fund that is at the discretion of Trump?  I have a pretty good idea which one would be A) better for the individual and B) better for the overall economy.  I also have a pretty good idea which one would be better for Mar-A-Lago. 

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Fun to see conservatives in here blasting Democrats for not agreeing to a trillion dollar socialist bailout.  The irony has to be killing Bernie Sanders.

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4 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Could they split the bill into 2 parts?  One for checks to the people and one for money to corporations?  I understand that in the long run it probably will make sense to get money to the corporations, but why not just deal with one thing at a time?

Arent the corporations just going to get the money from the people like a day and half after its issued anyway?  

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5 minutes ago, Thunderlips said:

Arent the corporations just going to get the money from the people like a day and half after its issued anyway?  

not all businesses

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43 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I’ll be surprised if a deal isn’t reached by tonight. Sounds like a lot of posturing to me. They’ll get it done. 

With all the crap thrown in, I don't want it passed with that stuff....this is un####ing believable.  Disgusting really.

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31 minutes ago, Thunderlips said:

Arent the corporations just going to get the money from the people like a day and half after its issued anyway?  

 

25 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

not all businesses

This. Many companies that may need help aren’t open to receive money from customers. 

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I’m not sure what the income cut off should be, but I’d error on the higher side. Someone could make a very good living, say 125K a year. That doesn’t do that much good if they are currently out of work. They might not be destitute right now, but they certainly aren’t out stimulating the economy.

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53 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Yeah, if you're singling out one party over another for this ####show, you're doing it wrong.  Thoroughly wrong.

I SAID I WAS SORRY!!  FAIR ENOUGH I SAID!!  SHEESH!!!  

 

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1 minute ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I SAID I WAS SORRY!!  FAIR ENOUGH I SAID!!  SHEESH!!!  

 

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:lmao: 

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4 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Should probably tack on a pay raise for congreff too.

tack on a rider to that bill of $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts

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Just now, Long Ball Larry said:

tack on a rider to that bill of $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts

Finally, a little sniff for me.

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1 hour ago, Cjw_55106 said:

 

There is an amazing thing about people. Just because they think one side is wrong they automatically think the other side is right. Guess what. They can both be wrong.

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1 hour ago, tommyGunZ said:

Fun to see conservatives in here blasting Democrats for not agreeing to a trillion dollar socialist bailout.  The irony has to be killing Bernie Sanders.

Donald is the new Bernie.

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Corporations can declare bankruptcy. They have assets. They can also renogiate loans.  

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Posted (edited)

Republicans "pet project" includes attaching corporations, including multi-nationals and megas.

They are refusing to take care of the citizenry first and work out the following up steps. 

Edited by BigSteelThrill

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36 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

tack on a rider to that bill of $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts

Is that how well get to spend $40,000 on hookers and pornstars?

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forgot to mention the $500 billion Mnuchin slush fund, from which he could hand out money like a Gilded Age Santa, to Republican donors and allies or even to Donald Trump's companies, without any disclosure until after the 2020 election.

@JoyAnnReid

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If there’s any truth to what is being talked about, supposedly McConnell proceeded with the vote, knowing it wouldn’t pass, while they were still negotiating? Then went on to point the finger at Democrats for being the the bad guys? We have our fate (all of us) in the hands of some pretty out of touch people who really don’t give two ##### about us. 

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So now their talking about letting people take a 100k hardship withdrawal from their 401k’s with no 10 percent penalty (under59 1/2), and pay the income tax back over 3 years.  Hmmm, who has 100k left in their 401k.

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1 minute ago, Man In The Box said:

If there’s any truth to what is being talked about, supposedly McConnell proceeded with the vote, knowing it wouldn’t pass, while they were still negotiating? Then went on to point the finger at Democrats for being the the bad guys? We have our fate (all of us) in the hands of some pretty out of touch people who really don’t give two ##### about us. 

All a game to them. They’re in no financial trouble. 

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1 minute ago, Gopher State said:

So now their talking about letting people take a 100k hardship withdrawal from their 401k’s with no 10 percent penalty (under59 1/2), and pay the income tax back over 3 years.  Hmmm, who has 100k left in their 401k.

And who thinks that’s a good idea anyways? Let’s encourage people to pull out of the market after its already down 35% and destroy their retirement in the process. 

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1 minute ago, fruity pebbles said:

All a game to them. They’re in no financial trouble. 

Yep. All are going home to their cozy mansions tonight. Shameful. 

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9 minutes ago, Man In The Box said:

Yep. All are going home to their cozy mansions tonight. Shameful. 

And insider stock sell-offs.

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19 minutes ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

forgot to mention the $500 billion Mnuchin slush fund, from which he could hand out money like a Gilded Age Santa, to Republican donors and allies or even to Donald Trump's companies, without any disclosure until after the 2020 election.

@JoyAnnReid

This is not true, I’ll even post The NY Times article. 425 billion is for the Fed not Mnuchin. But keep listening to Joy make up stuff

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1242177378677383175?s=21

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, tommyGunZ said:

Fun to see conservatives in here blasting Democrats for not agreeing to a trillion dollar socialist bailout.  The irony has to be killing Bernie Sanders.

every time the government gives you your money back you guys want to call it socialism.

I get that you guys do that because you want to soften the blow of socialism and make it not sound so dangerous, but that doesn't really work. We have over 100 years of history regarding socialism to look at. Pro tip: it's not a good history.  In fact, it's kind of deadly.

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1 minute ago, BladeRunner said:

every time the government gives you your money back you guys want to call it socialism.

I get that you guys do that because you want to soften the blow of socialism and make it not sound so dangerous, but that doesn't really work.

I really don’t give 2 ####s what anyone calls it, it just needs to happen.  Congress needs to earn their pay, do their job and Work. The. ####. Together.   

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

I’ll be surprised if a deal isn’t reached by tonight. Sounds like a lot of posturing to me. They’ll get it done. 

I’m not optimistic.  The “tone” of the people who spoke in the senate had an authenticity to it.  The finger pointing is real and feelings are hurt.  I don’t think this is for show.

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And it’s been said but both parties should be absolutely ashamed of them selves.  This is not a time to sneak in agenda items that would never get the other sides approval.

/Bill

We sending out checks of X to Y people based on table A.  It will cost Z.  

/Endbill

fill it in however you want.   No corp bailouts, no airplane emissions.  That’s what the people want.  Come back for round four later.  If it’s that important it will get done.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Engelberg said:

Shocking said no one ever.

Dems only want one thing, to make Trump look bad. Screw them and screw poilitcs in general.. Leave it to the Dems to play politics with peoples lives to make an enemy of theirs look bad

Didn’t read the rest of the thread or the facts of that GoP bill did you?
The bill had zero to do with Trump btw...thankfully he stayed out of this.

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Posted (edited)

Must have been a few timeouts given lately, all these mothballed accounts posting today.

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Can’t believe that Democrats are trying to include forgiving the Postal Service debt in this emergency bill.  This is just nuts.  

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2 minutes ago, Kevrunner said:

Can’t believe that Democrats are trying to include forgiving the Postal Service debt in this emergency bill.  This is just nuts.  

But its okay for other business to receive funds?  Just not the postal service? 

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2 minutes ago, Kevrunner said:

Can’t believe that Democrats are trying to include forgiving the Postal Service debt in this emergency bill.  This is just nuts.  

It's not just that. Seems like from the reports I have seen they are pushing all they can into it.  Taking advantage of the america people in a time of crisis.  Really sickening on their part.

Like someone said it should be a very simple concept to get this done.

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8 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

Come on you really aren't this naive are you? LOL

Did he work on it?  The opposition also has been explained and it was damn right for them to oppose that crap.  

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Did he work on it?  The opposition also has been explained and it was damn right for them to oppose that crap.  

Wow

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9 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

But its okay for other business to receive funds?  Just not the postal service? 

Postal Service has been in this position for years, it’s has nothing to do with the emergency that the country is facing now, it’s ridiculous for the democrats to try and push this and other items that have not been able to get passed in previous bills. 

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21 minutes ago, Kevrunner said:

Postal Service has been in this position for years, it’s has nothing to do with the emergency that the country is facing now, it’s ridiculous for the democrats to try and push this and other items that have not been able to get passed in previous bills. 

Perfectly aware, the R's wouldn't let the postal service raise stamp fees and had to operate at deficits.

But they still have debt on the books and if the Government is going to hold the debt, might as well be off the Postal Service ledger since other businesses are getting benefits.

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25 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Perfectly aware, the R's wouldn't let the postal service raise stamp fees and had to operate at deficits.

But they still have debt on the books and if the Government is going to hold the debt, might as well be off the Postal Service ledger since other businesses are getting benefits.

I like to see restrictions on what the business are allowed to do with the $$$ they will be getting, no way they should be allowed to buy back stocks or give bonuses to executives and things like that.  I’m glad that the Democrats are trying to make sure that doesn’t happen in the emergency bill.  But, if Republicans or Democrats are trying to include items that failed to pass in previous bills in this emergency bill, that should be unacceptable for all of us citizens.  

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Just now, Kevrunner said:

I like to see restrictions on what the business are allowed to do with the $$$ they will be getting, no way they should be allowed to buy back stocks or give bonuses to executives and things like that.  I’m glad that the Democrats are trying to make sure that doesn’t happen in the emergency bill.  But, if Republicans or Democrats are trying to include items that failed to pass in previous bills in this emergency bill, that should be unacceptable for all of us citizens.  

Even better with the postal service, the highest paid persons are 270k a year as postmaster generals.

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