But what is their model that they need 50 billion dollars to leave some planes parked for a few weeks?Looks like a deal will be reached by tomorrow morning:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/23/trump-coronavirus-senate-economic-stimulus/
With 5 or 6 weeks vacation too, right?I actually worked 35 years and recently retired from the post office. I know the postal service has had heavy mail decline, but that’s been happening for many years, especially 1st class letters. I know way more about the postal debt, the main cause is the mandatory retirement pre-funding that the postal service is required to pay for each employee. That’s the main cause and the postal service has been trying to get congress to stop requiring pre-funding retirements for at least the past 10 years. This issue needs to be address, but not in this emergency bill. I have a lot of friends who still work for the postal service and even today, they are still working overtime. Mail volume, especially packages is high and is going to keep increasing due to the fact more people are ordering stuff for home delivery. The postal service issues need to be addressed by congress, but not in this bill. You would not believe how many of my friends made over $100K with the postal service and they are working jobs that requiring very little if any skill. I feel sorry for the letter carriers, for the work they are required to do, they are underpaid compared to most other postal employees.
This probably isn’t the time or thread for this, but yes postal service workers earn a lot of leave. They also waste A TON of money. They micromanage, the letter carrier craft especially, at a ridiculous level these days. Everything Kevrunner posted is accurate, at least in what I’ve witnessed in my 21 years working there.With 5 or 6 weeks vacation too, right?
I was a carrier one summer, it was a college job that I got hooked up with, and when I'd talk to the lifer's that was the one perk that kept most of them in the job so I don't begrudge them. This was 25 years ago so I didn't know if they still had that. That was a very stressful job actually, they tell you any mistake is essentially a federal offense and I get the "going postal" deal doing it with the mundane nature so I'm not coming down on them. That I can send a letter from NYC to Hawaii for 50 cents or whatever a stamp is to me an amazing bargain and I think they've been undercharging for years.This probably isn’t the time or thread for this, but yes postal service workers earn a lot of leave. They also waste A TON of money. They micromanage, the letter carrier craft especially, at a ridiculous level these days. Everything Kevrunner posted is accurate, at least in what I’ve witnessed in my 21 years working there.
All true. When I got the job in ‘99 I didn’t plan on making it my career. I planned on working a year or two and going back to school. Life events put a nice kink in those plans and I’m still there 21 years later. The perks are very good compared to most private sector jobs, but yes it takes a lot of mental and physical toughness to do the job long term. It’s not for everyone.I was a carrier one summer, it was a college job that I got hooked up with, and when I'd talk to the lifer's that was the one perk that kept most of them in the job so I don't begrudge them. This was 25 years ago so I didn't know if they still had that. That was a very stressful job actually, they tell you any mistake is essentially a federal offense and I get the "going postal" deal doing it with the mundane nature so I'm not coming down on them. That I can send a letter from NYC to Hawaii for 50 cents or whatever a stamp is to me an amazing bargain and I think they've been undercharging for years.
I tried to edit but it didn't take Man, I also don't bedgrudge the vacation, I think most jobs after 5 years should be 4 weeks or so, they keep the other wheels of the economy spinning and vacation keeps the whole workforce fresh in many waysAll true. When I got the job in ‘99 I didn’t plan on making it my career. I planned on working a year or two and going back to school. Life events put a nice kink in those plans and I’m still there 21 years later. The perks are very good compared to most private sector jobs, but yes it takes a lot of mental and physical toughness to do the job long term. It’s not for everyone.
Then start them during a budget process...not during emergency bills.timschochet said:So? I like pork. A lot of good programs get started that way.
They better remove the reversals of Trumps EO's. Those look to me like intentional attempts to get trump to do just that. They have nothing to do with this.I hope this doesn't mean a repeat of the 2018-19 budget where Pence and Mulvaney personally negotiated a budget deal on behalf of Trump only for Trump to blow it up because well just because.
The Secretary of the Treasury is personally negotiating this deal.
This.They need to cut the bull and get something passed to help the American people. Anything that cannot be agreed to should be removed and tried separately in a different bill.
Well it would help to understand if the article Trump was referring to mentioned them, but it doesn't.They better remove the reversals of Trumps EO's. Those look to me like intentional attempts to get trump to do just that. They have nothing to do with this.
(Maybe they have already)
The article mentions collective bargaining. Two of the EO's they specifically name in the house bill are regarding bargaining.Well it would help to understand if the article Trump was referring to mentioned them, but it doesn't.
I'll admit I haven't kept up on the minutiae, yesterday was nuts for me.
By law, non-profits can't spend the principal (the original gift amount). But most endowments have lots of accumulated earnings. What's common is to draw off a designated spending rate each year, such as 4-4.5%, while anticipating that the investment policy will grow the funds by 7-7.5% per year. That 3% buffer stays in the fund and grows the endowments, allowing them to keep up with inflation. (Most schools determine the amount of $$ to be drawn off based on a three-year rolling average of the endowment, precisely so market drops like this don't create an overreaction.)This bill had $7 mil for Gallaudet University for the def and blind. I'm sure the burden for handicapped is much worse, but why don't they just did into their 183 million endowment. Not sure how endowments work, so maybe that's a dumb question.
Ok gotcha, thanks, from the article:The article mentions collective bargaining. Two of the EO's they specifically name in the house bill are regarding bargaining.
But I was mostly replying to your extrapolation.
Wouldnt you agree that a house bill that specifically names three executive orders that are completely unrelated to coronavirus and says that they will no longer be valid has a higher probability of Trump going rogue and rejecting?
- I'd agree with your point, and I could especially see how collective bargaining could get in the way of progress. However it's always odd to me when we have to factor in Trump's irascibility and susceptibility to influence when doing actual policy. - I will say your points are, again, reasonable - LET'S GET ON WITH IT FOLKS - but IMO if Mnuchin agrees to do it just sign the hell off on it and let's get moving.Below are some of the new, non-coronavirus-related demands that popped up after Speaker Pelosi flew back from San Francisco yesterday after taking a week off:
1) Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions
2) Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines
3) Expansion of wind and solar tax credits
Not only are these completely unrelated to the coronavirus epidemic, they could prevent companies from participating in the loan programs altogether—directly causing unnecessary layoffs.
That’s not the way things happen. And this isn’t a good moment to reinvent the wheel.Then start them during a budget process...not during emergency bills.
That is the problem...its not the way things happen because we have become too accustomed to congress doing this crap. There is a time and place for those things...and now is not the time for their crap.That’s not the way things happen. And this isn’t a good moment to reinvent the wheel.
Can you itemize them or give examples? Not browsing the news too much so it is good to have more context to what people are talking about here since otherwise I have no idea.Pelosi’s laundry list of pork is pretty damn disgusting. I hope her shenanigans get an ample amount of media attention.
There’s a short list right up above.Can you itemize them or give examples? Not browsing the news too much so it is good to have more context to what people are talking about here since otherwise I have no idea.
I guess I have a different definition of pork than you do? I mean, none of those things directly benefit her district or state or party over any other, and they seem to be things that make sense to me during a medical/economic crisis.There’s a short list right up above.
I just heard an interview with her. She sounded great as usual but exhausted. Far too many people depend on her in these situations and she always comes through. One of our great heroes for sure.There’s a short list right up above.
Probably .I guess I have a different definition of pork than you do? I mean, none of those things directly benefit her district or state or party over any other, and they seem to be things that make sense to me during a medical/economic crisis.
Well sad by CubanMark Cuban's reply to back and forth twitter bickering between Schumer and Cornyn:
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1242441662208622594
Mark Cuban @mcuban
BOTH OF YOU NEED TO DO YOUR ******* JOB! @SenSchumer, stop kissing progressive ***. We can't solve every problem in this deal @JohnCornyn, stop kissing big corporate ***. They don't need buybacks or exec bonuses. They have no choice but to take any deal they can get.
Mark Cuban @mcuban
The economy is crashing and people are getting sick and dying because you 2 hard ***** think your agendas are bigger than the health and future of the American people. They are not. There is no perfect deal. TIME IS OUR ENEMY. Get this done today !
She has done well in the past...but her/House bill was really bad.I just heard an interview with her. She sounded great as usual but exhausted. Far too many people depend on her in these situations and she always comes through. One of our great heroes for sure.
Yeah...in this day and age that they can't figure out how to securely vote remotely for congress is pretty bad.Not sure the right thread, but:
PELOSI on remote voting: Congress should be prepared for it in a worst-case scenario but there are "constitutional, technological and security concerns about it."
"It may be that we have no choice but that, but if that is the case, we want to be fully prepared."
The question I have - what are the technological or security concerns?
There would always be a record of the vote - so I don't understand the security concerns, and the technological concerns must be tied to the security concerns because there is no technical barrier to holding a remote vote.
That feels like a reddit list, but I could be wrong.There’s a short list right up above.
It’s accurate. Obviously the comments are not in the bill, but the proposed expenditures are real.That feels like a reddit list, but I could be wrong.
Not really in some places. Ppl are 6 inches apart and the lines can go for miles.its not possible to vote while staying 6 ft apart? bring half into the chamber at a time if you have to. shouldn't be that hard.
Actually, I can't think of a better moment to stand up and insist that irrelevant crap NOT be included in a bill.That’s not the way things happen. And this isn’t a good moment to reinvent the wheel.
Well, they can remote vote if there's bills to vote on that the Democrats aren't blocking with partisan politics.Not sure the right thread, but:
PELOSI on remote voting: Congress should be prepared for it in a worst-case scenario but there are "constitutional, technological and security concerns about it."
"It may be that we have no choice but that, but if that is the case, we want to be fully prepared."
The question I have - what are the technological or security concerns?
There would always be a record of the vote - so I don't understand the security concerns, and the technological concerns must be tied to the security concerns because there is no technical barrier to holding a remote vote.
I haven't read the bill yet. Pretty pathetic. I can only imagine what it looks like with both lists put together. Maybe $1T total for actual coronavirus related things? Less than that?It’s accurate. Obviously the comments are not in the bill, but the proposed expenditures are real.
Think about all the terrible arguments the GOP makes for voting without ID and extrapolate towards technology and I'm willing to bet it's along those lines which is somewhat ironic given it's PelosiNot sure the right thread, but:
PELOSI on remote voting: Congress should be prepared for it in a worst-case scenario but there are "constitutional, technological and security concerns about it."
"It may be that we have no choice but that, but if that is the case, we want to be fully prepared."
The question I have - what are the technological or security concerns?
There would always be a record of the vote - so I don't understand the security concerns, and the technological concerns must be tied to the security concerns because there is no technical barrier to holding a remote vote.
I don’t think the House bill has any chance of passing. I’m actually surprised Pelosi opened herself up to that kind of criticism for nothing. There’s a lot less pork in the Senate bill.I haven't read the bill yet. Pretty pathetic. I can only imagine what it looks like with both lists put together. Maybe $1T total for actual coronavirus related things? Less than that?
i think he means within congress.Not really in some places. Ppl are 6 inches apart and the lines can go for miles.
Ty, thought I was going nuts.i think he means within congress.
#Cuban2024Mark Cuban's reply to back and forth twitter bickering between Schumer and Cornyn:
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1242441662208622594
Mark Cuban @mcuban
BOTH OF YOU NEED TO DO YOUR ******* JOB! @SenSchumer, stop kissing progressive ***. We can't solve every problem in this deal @JohnCornyn, stop kissing big corporate ***. They don't need buybacks or exec bonuses. They have no choice but to take any deal they can get.
Mark Cuban @mcuban
The economy is crashing and people are getting sick and dying because you 2 hard ***** think your agendas are bigger than the health and future of the American people. They are not. There is no perfect deal. TIME IS OUR ENEMY. Get this done today !
I haven't seen either one. Just by the numbers above this is roughly $124,305,000,000. That doesn't include the $10K per student for debt...no idea how many students that would include, so I couldn't add it. Is that total number over a trillion dollars? Genuine question...I don't know. I thought I had seen rumored the Senate bill being close to $2,000,000,000,000. There HAVE to be parts of the above list that are missing. I should probably just dig in and read for myself. Maybe during my meetings this afternoon.I don’t think the House bill has any chance of passing. I’m actually surprised Pelosi opened herself up to that kind of criticism for nothing. There’s a lot less pork in the Senate bill.
She is as far from a hero as a person can get.I just heard an interview with her. She sounded great as usual but exhausted. Far too many people depend on her in these situations and she always comes through. One of our great heroes for sure.
Why not just a boatload more of the bolded? Give the money to those who are out of work. Or is that too simple? Corporations can cut expenses through layoffs, which helps to keep the corporations afloat. The layoffs lead to ..more unemployment benefits.This is looking pretty good!
Leigh Ann Caldwell @LACaldwellDC
NEW: The latest Coronavirus stimulus (wh/ are changes from the original proposal):
- At least $100 billion for hospitals
- Unemployment insurance benefits expansion for 100% of salary for 4 months
- No phase-in of direct payments for lower income people. ($1200/person;$500/kid)
8:58 AM · Mar 24, 2020
You need to raise your bar with respect to the word "hero" here. Just the bits and pieces I have been able to accumulate regarding bill proposals is disgusting. She's no better than McConnell in that regard.I just heard an interview with her. She sounded great as usual but exhausted. Far too many people depend on her in these situations and she always comes through. One of our great heroes for sure.