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​ 🏛️ ​Official Supreme Court nomination thread - Amy Coney Barrett (4 Viewers)

Quite naive but an opinion I once had when first confronted with it (as a very young adult)  There are countless reasons why it’s not reported.  Too painful, victims have literally blocked it out, fear, etc.  A non victim might logically think “if you report this could get them off the street”, but when you’ve been damaged that bad, it’s just not how they think.  
Just imagine being the young woman Brock Turner assaulted.  Two male witnesses who pulled the guy off of her, cops showed up right away and arrested him at the scene.  This is as perfect a case of attempted rape as you're going to find.  Guilty of three felonies (And during the trial phase of this she has to relive this over and over and over.)

He did three months in jail. Do you think that was worth it for her?

 
Yes, because party control of the Senate is about a million times more important than taking a meaningless anonymous stand IMO. But to each their own
It seems this guy votes the other way on every close issue. If the guy won't ever stand up  when it matters he's not of any use.

 
Quite naive but an opinion I once had when first confronted with it (as a very young adult)  There are countless reasons why it’s not reported.  Too painful, victims have literally blocked it out, fear, etc.  A non victim might logically think “if you report this could get them off the street”, but when you’ve been damaged that bad, it’s just not how they think.  
Ill read some articles on it. I will never be able to relate (I assume).

 
The odds of prosecuting a sexual assault the day after have to be higher than every reporting 2 days, 3 days, etc. If people don't report until 10 years later and then wonder why the person wasn't prosecuted or found guilty.....I am not sure what to say to them.

I have never been sexually assaulted, so I cant speak for them. I am just trying to understand why someone wouldn't report.
The President of the United States, who is supported by tens of millions including the majority of the law enforcement community, just tweeted a baseless accusation that sexual assault survivors protesting on the Hill were actually frauds- paid protestors, he claims. He will suffer no consequences for this disgraceful false accusation, a rhetorical slap in the face for sexual assault survivors straight from the Oval Office.

i could give you a million other reasons why it’s so terrifying for them to come forward and why they are justifiably skeptical that they’ll be believed. But honestly if that surreal example isn’t sufficient I don’t really know what else will be.

 
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The odds of prosecuting a sexual assault the day after have to be higher than every reporting 2 days, 3 days, etc. If people don't report until 10 years later and then wonder why the person wasn't prosecuted or found guilty.....I am not sure what to say to them.

I have never been sexually assaulted, so I cant speak for them. I am just trying to understand why someone wouldn't report.
I humbly request you read pages 174 and 175 of this thread.

 
Absolutely boiling. They stole the supreme court brazenly in front of our eyes. 
This is a terrible take.  Had Kavanaugh been voted down -- as he should have been -- the Republicans would have just confirmed some other similarly-conservative justice.  Kavanaugh should have been disqualified because of his character flaws, but his confirmation doesn't figure to change much relative to a Justice Hardiman, for example.

 
"You sowed the wind for decades to come. I fear that the whole country will reap the whirlwind."

I'm sure Brett is going to be the mostest sober nonpartial judicial mind the court has ever seen.

 
This is a terrible take.  Had Kavanaugh been voted down -- as he should have been -- the Republicans would have just confirmed some other similarly-conservative justice.  Kavanaugh should have been disqualified because of his character flaws, but his confirmation doesn't figure to change much relative to a Justice Hardiman, for example.
MERRICK F'ING GARLAND. 

Playing paddycake with the Russians. 

Gerrymandering. Voter Suppression. BLATANT propaganda. 

I'm all about tearing this mother down. If they aren't going to play by the any semblence of the rules why should we. 

When you start seeing some people radicalized don't act surprised. 

 
No they didn't. They lulled Democrats into a false sense of security in 2016 by nominating a guy that few took seriously, and then they out-turnout-ed the Democrats at the polls.

Now they've become emboldened and focused while Democrats continue to lack leadership and direction, and they'll use that disparity to drive an even larger turnout to the polls in November. And if Democrats don't get their act together quickly, then they're going to see Ruth Bader Ginsberg replaced with Judge Jeannie.
You need to stop watching cable news and start paying attention to coverage of races at the district level.  This line of thinking is stale.  The messaging of the actual candidates this cycle has been excellent. I don’t know if it’ll be enough to overcome the gerrymandering and the billionaires, but if not it won’t be because they “don’t have their act together.” It’ll be because gerrymandering + billionaires is a virtually unbeatable combination. 

 
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The President of the United States, who is supported by tens of millions including the majority of the law enforcement community, just tweeted a baseless accusation that sexual assault survivors protesting on the Hill were actually frauds- paid protestors, he claims. He will suffer no consequences for this disgraceful false accusation, a rhetorical slap in the face for sexual assault survivors straight from the Oval Office.

i could give you a million other reasons why it’s so terrifying for them to come forward and why they are justifiably skeptical that they’ll be believed. But honestly if that surreal example isn’t sufficient I don’t really know what else will be.
Piling on... this whole “I believe Dr Ford, I just don’t believe it was Kavanaugh” is cowardly bull####.  Ford didn’t say she was assaulted.  She said she was sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh while his friend Mark Judge watched and they both laughed.  

If you don’t think it was Kavanaugh who assaulted Ford, you don’t believe her. 

 
"You sowed the wind for decades to come. I fear that the whole country will reap the whirlwind."

I'm sure Brett is going to be the mostest sober nonpartial judicial mind the court has ever seen.
Now get ready for the "what comes around goes around." Payback at the highest level. 

Did I mention we only got 4% of his reciord. 

Absolutely corrupt. Absolutley broken.

Dems have won the popular vote 5 our the past 6 Presidential elections and we have NOTHING to show for it.  

 
Now get ready for the "what comes around goes around." Payback at the highest level. 

Did I mention we only got 4% of his reciord. 

Absolutely corrupt. Absolutley broken.

Dems have won the popular vote 5 our the past 6 Presidential elections and we have NOTHING to show for it.  
Did I just dream that Barack Obama was President for 8 years?  I know I've been sleep deprived lately but I must be hallucinating big time.

 
Definitely.  
I know that has been posted in this thread repeatedly as a reason why women don't report right away, but one thing I will say is it is really good that she did report it right away and got a rape kit done. 

I don't think there are many people outside of Arlington(and I am sure there arent very many in arlington) that read that article and walk away saying Amber Wyatt wasn't raped. Had she not reported right away, that is probably not the case. I think the outpouring of support for her has to make a huge impact in how she feels right now and for going forward. 

If she had waited even a week, there would be no rape kit(which was very conclusive). She would have identified the wrong guy that surely would have had lots of people saying he wasn't even near the scene. Instead she identified the wrong guy and was corrected right away to be told who had gone in the truck with her. The underwear and bra would surely have been cleaned up. That crappy mom cleaned up everything else. 

If she waited to report, that article is likely never even written. So her coming forward right away was not for nothing even though it is awful that those guys got away with it.

 
Now get ready for the "what comes around goes around." Payback at the highest level. 

Did I mention we only got 4% of his reciord. 

Absolutely corrupt. Absolutley broken.

Dems have won the popular vote 5 our the past 6 Presidential elections and we have NOTHING to show for it.  
Try looking at the rules.   Running up votes in new york and california dont get you the white house.

 
I know that has been posted in this thread repeatedly as a reason why women don't report right away, but one thing I will say is it is really good that she did report it right away and got a rape kit done. 

I don't think there are many people outside of Arlington(and I am sure there arent very many in arlington) that read that article and walk away saying Amber Wyatt wasn't raped. Had she not reported right away, that is probably not the case. I think the outpouring of support for her has to make a huge impact in how she feels right now and for going forward. 

If she had waited even a week, there would be no rape kit(which was very conclusive). She would have identified the wrong guy that surely would have had lots of people saying he wasn't even near the scene. Instead she identified the wrong guy and was corrected right away to be told who had gone in the truck with her. The underwear and bra would surely have been cleaned up. That crappy mom cleaned up everything else. 

If she waited to report, that article is likely never even written. So her coming forward right away was not for nothing even though it is awful that those guys got away with it.
It destroyed her entire life.

Edit: I mean, I'm glad it means you feel better knowing you can believe her, but it completely destroyed her life to where she became an overdosing drug addict.

 
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It seems this guy votes the other way on every close issue. If the guy won't ever stand up  when it matters he's not of any use.
That’s not true (check voter ratings from people like enviro groups and pro-choice groups and whatnot and compare him to his WV GOP counterpart if you don’t believe me).  But even if it was, his affiliation affects which party controls the Senate and can set the agenda.  It affects how many members each party gets on every committee.  Considering how close the Senate is there’s a decent argument that his affiliation is actually more important than his votes.

Not to defend his support for Kavanaugh at all. It was cowardly and disgusting, just as it is for the other 50.  But he is useful, because of the D next to his name if nothing else.

 
Try looking at the rules.   Running up votes in new york and california dont get you the white house.
The rules are broken. A small swath of rural american voters get more say in the senate that millions of voters in larger states. 

Why? Why do their votes count more? What kind of justice is that?

 
The rules are broken. A small swath of rural american voters get more say in the senate that millions of voters in larger states. 

Why? Why do their votes count more? What kind of justice is that?
Well thats our system.   

Maybe have your candidate go to wisconsin once.

 
That’s not true (check voter ratings from people like enviro groups and pro-choice groups and whatnot and compare him to his WV GOP counterpart if you don’t believe me).  But even if it was, his affiliation affects which party controls the Senate and can set the agenda.  It affects how many members each party gets on every committee.  Considering how close the Senate is there’s a decent argument that his affiliation is actually more important than his votes.

Not to defend his support for Kavanaugh at all. It was cowardly and disgusting, just as it is for the other 50.  But he is useful, because of the D next to his name if nothing else.
Well said.  51-49 majority in the Senate seems like very little on the surface, but it makes your party chair and voting control of every committee and control of the agenda.  

 
I'm only playing devil's advocate, but how is that victim blaming.  IDEK who would be the victim in the part you bolded. 
Well, by stating 

a fetus has never made a choice to be punished for
you kind of indicate that "making a choice to be punished for" is a consideration in murder in general, thus, actually, blaming the victim for the action of the murderer.

Logically speaking, of course.

Personally I do not find abortion to be murder, if you do then we'll have to agree to disagree on that, as well

 
Absolutely boiling. They stole the supreme court brazenly in front of our eyes. 
Not true.

Now did Merrick Garland deserve hearings and a vote?  Absolutely yes.  The GOP was completely wrong with how they treated him.  But you know that Garland didn't have the votes to get confirmed while the GOP held a 54-46 majority.  The GOP gambled that Trump could become president and they were right.

So don't blame the GOP.  Blame Hillary Clinton.  She blew it.  She was a terrible candidate.  She couldn't beat the biggest dope to ever run for president.  She lost 30 states.   In fact, if Hillary had won, the GOP would have scrambled to get Garland confirmed.  He was a fair center-left judge.  Hillary would have nominated someone farther to the left.

 
Not true.

Now did Merrick Garland deserve hearings and a vote?  Absolutely yes.  The GOP was completely wrong with how they treated him.  But you know that Garland didn't have the votes to get confirmed while the GOP held a 54-46 majority.  The GOP gambled that Trump could become president and they were right.

So don't blame the GOP.  Blame Hillary Clinton.  She blew it.  She was a terrible candidate.  She couldn't beat the biggest dope to ever run for president.  She lost 30 states.   In fact, if Hillary had won, the GOP would have scrambled to get Garland confirmed.  He was a fair center-left judge.  Hillary would have nominated someone farther to the left.
I totally get it. Bend every rule. Break them if you must. Lie cheat steal and do everything you have to to win. Team conservative has been that way for 40 years. 

I'm all about taking the gloves off. 

 
And yet we have no supreme court. Funny huh? 
Sotomayor and Kagan replaced Souter and Stevens.  Now Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (assuming) would have replaced Scalia and Kennedy.  It is yet to be seen how much further right of Kennedy that Kavanaugh would be but the rest are pretty even swaps from a layman's eyes.  

Now if we are discussing Garland, I actually never agreed with the R stance on that even though it netted another justice for the right.  It's obvious Garland would have been significantly left of Scalia.  I know why the R's and McConnell did what they did.  It was an ends justifies the means thing.  The idea of losing a Scalia and Garland being his replacement was intolerable to many on the right.  

But I get it, each side wants to get even with the other.  It just tears the country apart.  In this case I don't know what happened with Ford.  But there is no corroboration for her story.  The fact that people ran with the whole gang rape story hurt the D's case IMO.  If anything, it made people who may be moderate to slightly right galvanize behind Kavanaugh because if that story was ran with, what else was made up?  

 
The President of the United States, who is supported by tens of millions including the majority of the law enforcement community, just tweeted a baseless accusation that sexual assault survivors protesting on the Hill were actually frauds- paid protestors, he claims. He will suffer no consequences for this disgraceful false accusation, a rhetorical slap in the face for sexual assault survivors straight from the Oval Office.
I hope they remember to vote come November

 
Sotomayor and Kagan replaced Souter and Stevens.  Now Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (assuming) would have replaced Scalia and Kennedy.  It is yet to be seen how much further right of Kennedy that Kavanaugh would be but the rest are pretty even swaps from a layman's eyes.  

Now if we are discussing Garland, I actually never agreed with the R stance on that even though it netted another justice for the right.  It's obvious Garland would have been significantly left of Scalia.  I know why the R's and McConnell did what they did.  It was an ends justifies the means thing.  The idea of losing a Scalia and Garland being his replacement was intolerable to many on the right.  

But I get it, each side wants to get even with the other.  It just tears the country apart.  In this case I don't know what happened with Ford.  But there is no corroboration for her story.  The fact that people ran with the whole gang rape story hurt the D's case IMO.  If anything, it made people who may be moderate to slightly right galvanize behind Kavanaugh because if that story was ran with, what else was made up?  
We couldn't even examine his written record. He perjured himself on the stolen emails. He had 200K in debt for "basbeall tickets". 

The Ford thing probably helped in the end. 

 
You need to stop watching cable news and start paying attention to coverage of races at the district level.  This line of thinking is stale.  The messaging of the actual candidates this cycle has been excellent. I don’t know if it’ll be enough to overcome the gerrymandering and the billionaires, but if not it won’t be because they “don’t have their act together.” It’ll be because gerrymandering + billionaires is a virtually unbeatable combination. 
It would help if the DNC was run by competent people and had some sort of coherent national message.   They're dumping money into Texas in what is likely an unwinnable race, instead of spending it where it could make a difference.

 
Sotomayor and Kagan replaced Souter and Stevens.  Now Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (assuming) would have replaced Scalia and Kennedy.  It is yet to be seen how much further right of Kennedy that Kavanaugh would be but the rest are pretty even swaps from a layman's eyes.  

Now if we are discussing Garland, I actually never agreed with the R stance on that even though it netted another justice for the right.  It's obvious Garland would have been significantly left of Scalia.  I know why the R's and McConnell did what they did.  It was an ends justifies the means thing.  The idea of losing a Scalia and Garland being his replacement was intolerable to many on the right.  

But I get it, each side wants to get even with the other.  It just tears the country apart.  In this case I don't know what happened with Ford.  But there is no corroboration for her story.  The fact that people ran with the whole gang rape story hurt the D's case IMO.  If anything, it made people who may be moderate to slightly right galvanize behind Kavanaugh because if that story was ran with, what else was made up?  
Interesting how Garland would have been significantly to the left of Scalia since the Republican talking point has been Kavanaugh and Garland voting together 90+ percent of the time.

 
Historic day for the never-Clinton liberals.  
In the words of our 44th President... "Elections have consequences."  Maybe the DNC should remember that in 2 years and NOT shove through a terrible candidate who's hated by over half of her own party.

 
I totally get it. Bend every rule. Break them if you must. Lie cheat steal and do everything you have to to win. Team conservative has been that way for 40 years. 

I'm all about taking the gloves off. 
The Democrats would have done the exact same thing if it were a GOP President making a Supreme Court nominee in a presidential election year....with the Democrats holding the Senate majority.

And you know it.

Unfortunately, politics is a dirty sport.

 
We couldn't even examine his written record. He perjured himself on the stolen emails. He had 200K in debt for "basbeall tickets". 

The Ford thing probably helped in the end. 
On the baseball tickets, I do have a good bit of knowledge in that area.  $200K given the contracts the teams require you to sign now for club type tickets, that isn't that unusual.  Is it a poor financial decision to buy those on credit, that I'd agree with.  But people do it every day and the teams often finance it for them.  If you were to look at the financial statements for any professional sports team you would find debt financed on club seats, PSLs, etc.  All quite large amounts.

 

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