✦✦✦Official 2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

It was a win and I'll take it but the offense has not been playing anywhere near its potential. They are going to need to pick up their game against the Browns this week big time. Ben was definitely off yesterday and I am still not sure why Lance Moore isn't getting more playing time. Speaking of Moore, he drew a pretty stupid penalty when he spiked the ball after making a 26-yard reception. I guess being a bad-$$$ is more important than your team.

Because JBrown is a better blocker, is probably at least even as a receiver, and is a young up and comer vs someone on the way out.

 

[Godsbrother]

It was a win and I'll take it but the offense has not been playing anywhere near its potential. They are going to need to pick up their game against the Browns this week big time. Ben was definitely off yesterday and I am still not sure why Lance Moore isn't getting more playing time. Speaking of Moore, he drew a pretty stupid penalty when he spiked the ball after making a 26-yard reception. I guess being a bad-$$$ is more important than your team.

Because JBrown is a better blocker, is probably at least even as a receiver, and is a young up and comer vs someone on the way out.

It is just like the Steelers to consider blocking as the #1 attribute for a receiver.

I've been pretty unimpressed with JBrown as a receiver thus far. If Moore is healthy then I would rather have a receiver that can catch and run routes vs one that supposedly can block. But hey if JBrown's blocking ability allows us to keep running all of those bubble screens then by all means leave him in there.

 

[3C's]

It was a win and I'll take it but the offense has not been playing anywhere near its potential. They are going to need to pick up their game against the Browns this week big time. Ben was definitely off yesterday and I am still not sure why Lance Moore isn't getting more playing time. Speaking of Moore, he drew a pretty stupid penalty when he spiked the ball after making a 26-yard reception. I guess being a bad-$$$ is more important than your team.

Because JBrown is a better blocker, is probably at least even as a receiver, and is a young up and comer vs someone on the way out.

It is just like the Steelers to consider blocking as the #1 attribute for a receiver.

I've been pretty unimpressed with JBrown as a receiver thus far. If Moore is healthy then I would rather have a receiver that can catch and run routes vs one that supposedly can block. But hey if JBrown's blocking ability allows us to keep running all of those bubble screens then by all means leave him in there.

10 receptions so far which would come out to about 32 after a full season. Not terrible for a first year guy getting his feet wet. Only downside is a couple of very noticeable drops. If he could get those back, especially the dropped TD, it would be a little more impressive.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

When did Justin Brown get deemed an "up and comer"?

He's just another guy. Lance Moore is probably also just another guy, but if Brown is playing over him "because of run blocking", given how little of it the Steelers seem inclined to do even when they're actually doing a good job of it(see: Sunday vs. Jags. Only 21 rushes against that run D? When you were easily pushing out over 5 yards a carry? Silliness.) would be something I'd deem beyond obtuse.

If you're going to put the ball in the air one-and-a-half times more than you run it, then WR blocking is like the portholes on a '55 Chevy or nips on a dude.

 

[Godsbrother]

It was a win and I'll take it but the offense has not been playing anywhere near its potential. They are going to need to pick up their game against the Browns this week big time. Ben was definitely off yesterday and I am still not sure why Lance Moore isn't getting more playing time. Speaking of Moore, he drew a pretty stupid penalty when he spiked the ball after making a 26-yard reception. I guess being a bad-$$$ is more important than your team.

Because JBrown is a better blocker, is probably at least even as a receiver, and is a young up and comer vs someone on the way out.

It is just like the Steelers to consider blocking as the #1 attribute for a receiver.

I've been pretty unimpressed with JBrown as a receiver thus far. If Moore is healthy then I would rather have a receiver that can catch and run routes vs one that supposedly can block. But hey if JBrown's blocking ability allows us to keep running all of those bubble screens then by all means leave him in there.

10 receptions so far which would come out to about 32 after a full season. Not terrible for a first year guy getting his feet wet. Only downside is a couple of very noticeable drops. If he could get those back, especially the dropped TD, it would be a little more impressive.

I guess the 10 receptions are okay but when you consider he's only averaging 8.5 yards per catch, has had a couple very significant drops and a lost fumble it is tough to consider him an equal to Lance Moore, a 9-year vet they signed to a 2-year contract.

JBrown may turn out to be a decent WR some day and I don't have a problem with him getting some snaps now but it seems like the split is out of proportion to what it should be.

 

[3C's]

It's a very limited set of data but when Brown is in the Steelers average over 4ypc while with Moore they average 2.6ypc. Pretty significant.

Obviously you want more than just a guy who can run block otherwise he's just a lumbering tight end. He's come along in the receiving department and should increase his production there. That said, Moore did sign a decent contract and has shown in the past that he's a capable WR. He missed a lot of time which is certainly part of why he hasn't been out there. Maybe they start to see a more even split of snaps soon.

 

[belljr]

So someone explain the reasoning behind Tomlin decision to not allow jersey trades?

 

[Godsbrother]

So someone explain the reasoning behind Tomlin decision to not allow jersey trades?

The player doesn't own the jersey, the team does.

It turns out Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is not to blame for a recent edict regarding Steelers players not being allowed to exchange their jerseys with other players.As a reader wisely pointed out, the Steelers entered into an agreement with Fanatics Authentic, an online distributor of sports memorabilia, Sept. 26. Antonio Brown recently gave his game-worn jersey to Jaguars practice-squad receiver and childhood friend Tommy Streeter, which appears would be in violation of this partnership.

This contradicts an earlier story BTSC ran based on quotes from Antonio Brown published by ESPN's Scott Brown.

The gear is on sale at Steelers home games as of Week 4.

The larger point here is this isn't the coach's rule, it's coming from the front office and the jerseys are property of the team. Players are typically asked to pay for balls they throw in the crowd or anything else they may give to fans during games, so the fact the team has entered into a licensing agreement with a vendor for the sale of game-worn jerseys shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

Game-worn jerseys with certificates of authenticity can sell from anywhere from $500 to a few thousand, according to some quick online research.

Fans will have to wait a little longer to find something to blame on Tomlin, but given how quickly the message was spread over the jersey issue, it seems only a matter of time until something replaces it.http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2014/10/9/6952145/steelers-licensing-agreement-provides-reason-for-barred-jersey

 

[Godsbrother]

Cleveland is favored and the stadium is going to be rocking this week. The Browns are banged up on defense but I'm not getting a good feeling about this one. The Browns running game is impressive and Hoyer is playing well. I think the Steelers are going to have to put up 30 to win.

 

[C & C]

Cleveland is favored and the stadium is going to be rocking this week. The Browns are banged up on defense but I'm not getting a good feeling about this one. The Browns running game is impressive and Hoyer is playing well. I think the Steelers are going to have to put up 30 to win.

I think I'm at the stage where I won't be surprised if they get blown out or if they crush the Browns (or any other team for that matter). The Steelers are continually inconsistent.

 

[belljr]

So someone explain the reasoning behind Tomlin decision to not allow jersey trades?

The player doesn't own the jersey, the team does.

It turns out Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is not to blame for a recent edict regarding Steelers players not being allowed to exchange their jerseys with other players.

As a reader wisely pointed out, the Steelers entered into an agreement with Fanatics Authentic, an online distributor of sports memorabilia, Sept. 26. Antonio Brown recently gave his game-worn jersey to Jaguars practice-squad receiver and childhood friend Tommy Streeter, which appears would be in violation of this partnership.

This contradicts an earlier story BTSC ran based on quotes from Antonio Brown published by ESPN's Scott Brown.

The gear is on sale at Steelers home games as of Week 4.

The larger point here is this isn't the coach's rule, it's coming from the front office and the jerseys are property of the team. Players are typically asked to pay for balls they throw in the crowd or anything else they may give to fans during games, so the fact the team has entered into a licensing agreement with a vendor for the sale of game-worn jerseys shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

Game-worn jerseys with certificates of authenticity can sell from anywhere from $500 to a few thousand, according to some quick online research.

Fans will have to wait a little longer to find something to blame on Tomlin, but given how quickly the message was spread over the jersey issue, it seems only a matter of time until something replaces it.http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2014/10/9/6952145/steelers-licensing-agreement-provides-reason-for-barred-jersey

yeah I read an update later.... at least it makes sense. Tomlin was just delivering the message

 

[Godsbrother]

Cleveland is favored and the stadium is going to be rocking this week. The Browns are banged up on defense but I'm not getting a good feeling about this one. The Browns running game is impressive and Hoyer is playing well. I think the Steelers are going to have to put up 30 to win.

I think I'm at the stage where I won't be surprised if they get blown out or if they crush the Browns (or any other team for that matter). The Steelers are continually inconsistent.

Agreed.

 

[hammerva]

So the Steelers secondary is sucking ### again AND the Ravens are destroying the same team the Steelers lost to.

Yeah tell me again about that how beneficial that easy schedule is again

 

[3C's]

Sad to say but Troy P is more a liability than anything else these days. Guessed wrong yet again on that run.

 

[Franknbeans]

:X

 

[irish eyes]

The worst play calling in history, most undisciplined team, just bad bad bad.

 

[irish eyes]

Troy please retire & no longer embarrass yourself.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

And that's why Lance Moore isn't playing

 

[pghrob]

Notwithstanding the bad call on the Big Ben interception, the Steelers are just not playing good football and deserve to lose. The defense is undisciplined, committing penalties way too often, and just being outplayed. They are not prepared. Tomlin might end up getting on the warm seat after this game.

 

[irish eyes]

Again, worst Steelers team in a very very long time. And we are wasting a franchise qb in the process. Can anyone seriously say that Tomlin should not be canned. What is it going to take???

 

[hammerva]

I just remember all those people telling us how all of our problems was with Arians as our O coordinator. How does that offense look now. Maybe the issue was with Tomlin all along

 

[pghrob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2FG19d_PA

 

[hammerva]

You have a 1st and goal from the 1 freaking yard line and you throw the ball 4 ####### TIMES. Seriously why the hell did you sign Legarrette Blount in the first place because you thought it would be cool to screw with the Pats.

Fire Todd Haley and if you aren't going to do that then Tomlin for not givng a ####

 

[Franknbeans]

I think it's fair to say that Tomlin is a d#%^e

 

[Bojang0301]

Ok I'm off the patience wagon. Being blown out by the Browns is bad and so is this team. They need to find something build around on defense. Troy looks done and while there are pieces to build around they need an overhaul. Might be time for Lebeau to step away. This is no longer a running league (not that they are good at stopping the run anyway) but this D hasn't been able to stop the new high tempo offenses for awhile now.

 

[3C's]

The "franchise" qb looked bad today and has for several weeks, maybe since that big hit in Baltimore. Some of the "bad" today was good coverage and a few dropped passes but he had some bad throws, especially missing a wide open Wheaton on what should have been a TD. The playcalling is certainly unimaginative at times but the players have to execute the plays.

 

[IHEARTFF]

6-10

I agree. Weeks 6-10 will be brutal.

Oct. 12 at Cleveland Browns, 1

Oct. 20 Houston Texans (Mon), 8:30

Oct. 26 Indianapolis Colts, 4:25

Nov. 2 Baltimore Ravens, 8:30*

Nov. 9 at New York Jets, 1

Yeah, i agree.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Even with the "easy schedule", I could easily see this team 8-8 or worse. At this point, other teams may be chalking the Steelers up as an "easy" win. Lets see what happens in Cleveland next week and I think that should help determine what direction this team is ready to move in.

Yup we are now the team that others chalk up as an easy win.

 

[3C's]

Injuries, slow start, panic, people screaming fire Tomlin/Haley/LeBeau/Steely McBeam. It's like deja vu all over again.

 

[LittlePhatty]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

 

[3C's]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already. They very well could end up 3-13 (doubt it) but like last year when they started out 2-6 I still have confidence that they will indeed improve.

Injuries certainly are a concern though. McClendon, Keisel, Heyward and Mitchell went out. Shazier, Jones and Taylor still out. Shamarko was out.

 

[irish eyes]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already. They very well could end up 3-13 (doubt it) but like last year when they started out 2-6 I still have confidence that they will indeed improve.Injuries certainly are a concern though. McClendon, Keisel, Heyward and Mitchell went out. Shazier, Jones and Taylor still out. Shamarko was out.

Are you watching the same games we ar? Injuries have nothing to do with it. This team is lost and Tomlin is a joke.

 

[LittlePhatty]

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already.

That's why I said "at the moment".

 

[3C's]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already. They very well could end up 3-13 (doubt it) but like last year when they started out 2-6 I still have confidence that they will indeed improve.Injuries certainly are a concern though. McClendon, Keisel, Heyward and Mitchell went out. Shazier, Jones and Taylor still out. Shamarko was out.

Are you watching the same games we ar? Injuries have nothing to do with it. This team is lost and Tomlin is a joke.

Your posts are the joke. Go find another team to ##### about and jump back on the wagon when the Steelers win again.

 

[Bojang0301]

So the Steelers secondary is sucking ### again AND the Ravens are destroying the same team the Steelers lost to.

Yeah tell me again about that how beneficial that easy schedule is again

Maybe I will considering there are still 10 games left.

 

[irish eyes]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already. They very well could end up 3-13 (doubt it) but like last year when they started out 2-6 I still have confidence that they will indeed improve.Injuries certainly are a concern though. McClendon, Keisel, Heyward and Mitchell went out. Shazier, Jones and Taylor still out. Shamarko was out.

Are you watching the same games we ar? Injuries have nothing to do with it. This team is lost and Tomlin is a joke.

Your posts are the joke. Go find another team to ##### about and jump back on the wagon when the Steelers win again.

I'm not a a bandwagon fan idiot, probably been following them longer than you have been alive. Your great evaluation of "slow start" tells me you know nothing

 

[fred_1_15301]

Good teams don't lose to the Browns 31-10. Seems like there are quite a few fans who are overly optimistic and not very realistic. Yeah the Steelers have an easy schedule. Is the goal for this franchise at this point to reach 8-8 and back into the playoffs? Is that how bad things are? I don't really see that happening.

 

[Bojang0301]

Good teams don't lose to the Browns 31-10. Seems like there are quite a few fans who are overly optimistic and not very realistic. Yeah the Steelers have an easy schedule. Is the goal for this franchise at this point to reach 8-8 and back into the playoffs? Is that how bad things are? I don't really see that happening.

Seems like a lot of "fans" like this losing as they are encouraged to complain and whine. They are not good right now but that does not mean they will finish that way. Just a few weeks ago the Giants were a terrible team and looked lost on both sides of the ball. It's the NFL things bounce around. It's clear they arn't an upper echelon team but even the Seahawks are 3-2.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Good teams don't lose to the Browns 31-10. Seems like there are quite a few fans who are overly optimistic and not very realistic. Yeah the Steelers have an easy schedule. Is the goal for this franchise at this point to reach 8-8 and back into the playoffs? Is that how bad things are? I don't really see that happening.

Seems like a lot of "fans" like this losing as they are encouraged to complain and whine. They are not good right now but that does not mean they will finish that way. Just a few weeks ago the Giants were a terrible team and looked lost on both sides of the ball. It's the NFL things bounce around. It's clear they arn't an upper echelon team but even the Seahawks are 3-2.

Whatever--I'm not a whiner when it comes to Pittsburgh sports teams and I certainly don't want them to lose. I'm just realistic. This team is 3-3 but they look awful. I also don't see them improving from week to week. Sure they could finish 8-8 or 9-7 but who cares? Yeah the Seahawks are 3-2 but they are light years ahead of the Steelers. If you can't see that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[belljr]

It's ugly boys

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Injuries, slow start, panic, people screaming fire Tomlin/Haley/LeBeau/Steely McBeam. It's like deja vu all over again.

What have you seen in the last 3 weeks that gives you reason for optimism? I readily recognize that Yinzers are prone to panic and hyperbole when things go slightly off course, but this team flat out stinks.

 

[3C's]

slow start

"Slow start" is just wishful thinking at the moment, because the term implies improvement over time.

huh, I did not realize the season was over already. They very well could end up 3-13 (doubt it) but like last year when they started out 2-6 I still have confidence that they will indeed improve.Injuries certainly are a concern though. McClendon, Keisel, Heyward and Mitchell went out. Shazier, Jones and Taylor still out. Shamarko was out.

Are you watching the same games we ar? Injuries have nothing to do with it. This team is lost and Tomlin is a joke.

Your posts are the joke. Go find another team to ##### about and jump back on the wagon when the Steelers win again.

I'm not a a bandwagon fan idiot, probably been following them longer than you have been alive. Your great evaluation of "slow start" tells me you know nothing

You must have really loved the winning years of the 50s and 60s then.

 

[3C's]

Injuries, slow start, panic, people screaming fire Tomlin/Haley/LeBeau/Steely McBeam. It's like deja vu all over again.

What have you seen in the last 3 weeks that gives you reason for optimism? I readily recognize that Yinzers are prone to panic and hyperbole when things go slightly off course, but this team flat out stinks.

Not saying they're a "good" team right now but their first half versus the Browns (game 1) and the second half versus the Panthers is just as much a glimpse of what they're capable of as is their more recent showings. Saw a post on steelers.com that could have come right from the fingers of our lovable irish here: "Get ready for 3-13 and after that they should fire all the coaches and trade almost all of the players for draft picks." This just seems somewhat reminiscent of last year when they started 0-4 and some fans were going off the rails. They very well could end up a 5 or 6 win team but they also could turn it around and be a 9 or 10 win team. Color me overly optimistic, I'm fine with that.

 

[Blick]

I don't mind having a down season. Like Bill C always said "it's a very fine line". I can't stand the penalties and undisciplined play.

 

[3C's]

It's a very limited set of data but when Brown is in the Steelers average over 4ypc while with Moore they average 2.6ypc. Pretty significant.

Obviously you want more than just a guy who can run block otherwise he's just a lumbering tight end. He's come along in the receiving department and should increase his production there. That said, Moore did sign a decent contract and has shown in the past that he's a capable WR. He missed a lot of time which is certainly part of why he hasn't been out there. Maybe they start to see a more even split of snaps soon.

Not that it made a difference but Moore got more snaps than Brown, 36-28.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

It's a very limited set of data but when Brown is in the Steelers average over 4ypc while with Moore they average 2.6ypc. Pretty significant.

Obviously you want more than just a guy who can run block otherwise he's just a lumbering tight end. He's come along in the receiving department and should increase his production there. That said, Moore did sign a decent contract and has shown in the past that he's a capable WR. He missed a lot of time which is certainly part of why he hasn't been out there. Maybe they start to see a more even split of snaps soon.

Not that it made a difference but Moore got more snaps than Brown, 36-28.

Moore was terrible yesterday. Awful.

Of course, most everyone was, but he stood out to me as being particularly bad. Which says something.

I don't have a crystal ball. I'm not drinking kool-aid or cyanide.

This team has more weapons than the one that went 7-1 down the stretch last year and they're 1 game ahead of that team through 6. Do they look like they have a run like that in them? If you're asking me now, after that pathetic game yesterday, no. They do not. But I won't rule it out and it is far too early to be declaring them dead in the water.

 

[3C's]

It's a very limited set of data but when Brown is in the Steelers average over 4ypc while with Moore they average 2.6ypc. Pretty significant.

Obviously you want more than just a guy who can run block otherwise he's just a lumbering tight end. He's come along in the receiving department and should increase his production there. That said, Moore did sign a decent contract and has shown in the past that he's a capable WR. He missed a lot of time which is certainly part of why he hasn't been out there. Maybe they start to see a more even split of snaps soon.

Not that it made a difference but Moore got more snaps than Brown, 36-28.

Moore was terrible yesterday. Awful.

Of course, most everyone was, but he stood out to me as being particularly bad. Which says something.

I don't have a crystal ball. I'm not drinking kool-aid or cyanide.

This team has more weapons than the one that went 7-1 down the stretch last year and they're 1 game ahead of that team through 6. Do they look like they have a run like that in them? If you're asking me now, after that pathetic game yesterday, no. They do not. But I won't rule it out and it is far too early to be declaring them dead in the water.

Without the "garbage time" TD he looked like a guy who should be last on the depth chart. Give Heyward-Bey a shot.

 

[Godsbrother]

I fully expected the defense to stink and of course they did not disappoint (although they did start off strong). The most frustrating aspect are the blown coverages -- there aren't any DBs in the same zip code on some of these plays. You know they are bad when Keisel has to run 40 yards downfield to make the saving tackle.

As terrible as the defense has been it is the offense that really surprises me. Ben is playing like crap, the play calling is laughable, and aside from Antonio Brown and Heath Miller the receivers flat out stink. It is apparent that losing Sanders and especially Cotchery were very big blows but damn the play calling in the red zone has been atrocious.

They are 3-3 and as awful as they look there is still a lot of football to be played. There is little reason to be optimistic but what other choice to we have -- become a Ravens, Browns or Bengals fans? Not gonna happen. I'll be there Monday night, expecting the worst but hoping for the best.

 

[Franknbeans]

Ha, that should be the tag line on this Steelers team.

Expect the worse but hope for the best

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Wheaton looked like he had never attended a practice or position meeting yesterday.

I was looking for a breakout from him this year too...