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🐴 *** 2023 Aniscule Thread *** 🇮🇹 Ha Vinto Il Cavallo Di Mio Cugina - ARCANGELO! 🇮🇹 🐴 (1 Viewer)

Onto the preakness. Sadly, I don't expect too many of the derby horses to run. Obviously, mage is going. We will see on a few of the horses who scratched. I could see the belmont setting up being a great race with a rested Tapit Trice and Angel of Empire waiting for Mage if he wins the preakness.
 
Onto the preakness. Sadly, I don't expect too many of the derby horses to run. Obviously, mage is going. We will see on a few of the horses who scratched. I could see the belmont setting up being a great race with a rested Tapit Trice and Angel of Empire waiting for Mage if he wins the preakness.
I actually think there's a much better chance of a compelling Preakness than Belmont. If we get Mage, Two Phils, Forte and either Cave Rock or Arabian Knight...that's a really sexy field no matter who else shows up.
 
Onto the preakness. Sadly, I don't expect too many of the derby horses to run. Obviously, mage is going. We will see on a few of the horses who scratched. I could see the belmont setting up being a great race with a rested Tapit Trice and Angel of Empire waiting for Mage if he wins the preakness.
I actually think there's a much better chance of a compelling Preakness than Belmont. If we get Mage, Two Phils, Forte and either Cave Rock or Arabian Knight...that's a really sexy field no matter who else shows up.
That's a good field . I am still excitrd for the Belmot.
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.
Yes this!

Maybe the mod would be able to explain this “ugly thread ugly week” stuff
 
Javi with the heroes welcome back at beautiful Belmont Park - love to see it ... ton of GulPstream players up here, so big deal for Delgado, as well.

gorgeous afternoon here - perfect racing day!
 
ooooff ... welp, so much for that ride by Rosario - tried closing up the cabbage rail, hung, got passed by the top three.

smells like a mush.
 
PREAKNESS PROBABLES:

Mage
Forte
2'P's
Disarm
Con Game
First Mission
National Treasure
Blazing Sevens
Red Route One
Chase the Chaos
Perform
Il Miracolo
Henry Q

baker's dozen right there, 14 entrants are the max.

- Instant Coffee & Arabian Knight are mentioned as having a shot at running, as well.

- don't expect to see Forte 'til June, Pletcher worse at Pimlico than he are at Churchill. won't be shocked if he goes here, but i think they sit.

- First Mission are very dangerous up in here ... Cox aiming for this one - he dusted the Lex with major autority.

- B7s got the Chad Brown "skip the Derby, aim for Pimlico" schtick goin' on ... we hit nicely last year with Early Voting taking same path - Chad makin' this his m.o. these days

- National Treasure as the Bobbo special ... man, woulda loved to see Cave Rock, but maybe later on. you just know he's itchin' to take down the Churchill prince - SEVEN wins here for Bobbo, so you're getting a top effort.

- 2P's will relish the cut back, much like sire Hard Spun ... folk blaggin' on about the possible Forte/Mage budding rivalry - did they forget the race just run? give the cat his respect.

- Red Route One will be a major factor if it's wet ... his close in the Rebel were insane.

- Arabian Knight has the raw speed to make this a very tall task for the rest ... had he not been bumped off the trail he most certainly woulda been fully transferred to Yakky for the run to Churchill - so still with Bobbo, and a much bigger threat than NT, hope we get him in here.

- Instant Coffee were a major player early in the prep szn, but totally sank(a) in that Loafsiana Derby snooze-fest ... horse were so catatonic afterwards that they skipped attempting to accrue Derby points in the Lex - i see he's working, so he's obviously woken up.

- speaking of the Lex, looks like Disarm really did just "settle" for third to get in the Derby ... he came back and ran a big one on Saturday ... bottoming that super at a nice price. played possum, then put in a bangin' effort - very impressed.

Mage looked every bit the part taking the roses ... some intriguing new shooters in here, along with sharp Derby runners - if we get Arabian Knight in there, and a full 14, it's gonna be a very tough test - but we saw enough from Mage to know he'll be ready to answer.
 
talk going about that Forte will not clear the mandatory 14 days sit rule, as per HISA.

had they scratched him Thurs./Fri., he obviously woulda been gtg.

don't know all the legality particulars, but HISA gets final word on this nowdays.
 
more ...

Released just before 4:00 p.m. on Monday, May 8, the statement reads: “Forte was scratched from the Kentucky Derby by KHRC veterinarians following Saturday's routine soundness checks. As is the case with all KHRC veterinary scratches related to soundness, and pursuant to HISA Rule 2241(a), this places Forte on a mandatory 14-day veterinary list. After 14 days, the requirements for removal from the list include a satisfactory workout performed for a state regulatory veterinarian and a negative blood sample result.”
 
On Monday, trainer Shug McGaughey said that the owners of Perform – Woodford Racing, Lane’s End, Phipps Stable, Ken Langone, and Edward Hudson – are considering paying the $150,000 supplemental fee to make Perform eligible for the Preakness.


:popcorn:
 
Two Phil's OUT

- Rivelli says he's not running him back at Pimlico -

next start may be the Belmont. if not, they'll go the drop in maintenance route some time 'round mid-June to prep for the summer stakes szn.

thanks for being a terrific winning key, buddy - you ran a monster 🐎

(yes, he's in here lurking)
 
Churchill were souped up on Saturday, big figs all across the card ...

- Mage hangs a 105, 10 higher than career best ... uncorked at the perfect time.

- 2P's matches the 101 he slapped up for the Ruby, so the synth to dirt angle detractors were off on this kid - don't care what surface they ran on ... when you hang a 100+, and win by open lengths (like his Ruby romp), you deserve respect. his previous dirt high were 89, so he once again bested that by a cool dozen.

- the Japanese have all shipped back home ... maybe they try at least one USofA prep next year, perhaps that'll get them to break cleanly, if nothing else.

- this has the potential to be the most buzzed about Belmont in decades ... if Mage comes in alive for a Triple Crown bid, on the 50th anniversary of Secretariat's immortal blowout, it'll be SRO all the way down to Jamaica Station ...

🐐
 
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Everyone and their brother has claimed Tapit Trice as the winner in the Belmont, why even show up.....What people fail to mention is he continues to be a terribly slow starter and doesn't always fire when asked.

I would love to see Mage, Forte, Tapit Trice, 2 Phils, Hit Show, and Disarm face off at big Sandy.
 
Everyone and their brother has claimed Tapit Trice as the winner in the Belmont, why even show up.....What people fail to mention is he continues to be a terribly slow starter and doesn't always fire when asked.
A lot of people think closers dominate the race because it’s long
 
Everyone and their brother has claimed Tapit Trice as the winner in the Belmont, why even show up.....What people fail to mention is he continues to be a terribly slow starter and doesn't always fire when asked.
A lot of people think closers dominate the race because it’s long

Yeah I feel like it’s the opposite that it’s either a front runner or someone right off the pace (or Mike Smith let’s Union Rags pass Paynter…*******)

More a testament to stamina IMO

trying to think of the last deep closer I saw win it…
 
Is there anything to make out of the failed drug test from Forte back in September? Does that put Forte at risk of missing the Belmont/Haskell or tarnish any of his previous wins?

While I don't think Pletcher is a cheater and one of the most genuine people in racing, I do think most trainers bend the rules to get an advantage. Pletcher included.
 
Is there anything to make out of the failed drug test from Forte back in September? Does that put Forte at risk of missing the Belmont/Haskell or tarnish any of his previous wins?

While I don't think Pletcher is a cheater and one of the most genuine people in racing, I do think most trainers bend the rules to get an advantage. Pletcher included.
My guess is that he tested positive for race-day NSAIDs. which is a fairly minor violation. 4 trainers suspended for the same thing by the New York State Gaming Commission this year got $1,000 fine, 10 day suspension and their horse was disqualified. They held the purse back in the Hopeful pending an arbitration and Pletcher kept delaying it (probably to get through the TC). End of the day--Pletcher and his team do the same things as just about everyone else.
 
Who was it in here that liked to call Todd Pletcher the "Todd-Father"??? (whose Derby record is one of the worst, btw.). Honestly, I can't remember...but anyway.


"Pletcher appears before stewards regarding Forte's positive test
Matt HegartyMay 10, 2023

Forte, the morning-line Kentucky Derby favorite who was scratched the morning of the race, had a positive drug test after winning the Sept. 5 Hopeful Stakes last year that has yet to be fully adjudicated, officials confirmed on Wednesday.

The positive test was first reported by the New York Times, which quoted two anonymous sources and said that Forte tested positive for a substance “used to relieve pain and reduce inflammation.” Drugs in wide use in racing that have those effects include regulated painkillers like flunixin and phenylbutazone as well as regulated corticosteroids, such as dexamethasone and betamethasone.

On Wednesday, Todd Pletcher, the horse’s trainer, appeared before the stewards for the first hearing in the matter, Brad Maione, a spokesman for the New York Gaming Commission, confirmed. Maione would not provide additional details about the positive test.

“Today’s meeting was simply an opportunity for the licensee to tell the stewards the licensee’s side of the story, a standard step in the investigative process,” Maione said. “The three stewards will consider the evidence and the information involved in the matter, and then the state steward will determine whether to issue a ruling for a violation.”
Forte is owned by Mike Repole and St. Elias Stable, both longtime clients of Pletcher.
Earlier on Wednesday, Maione had said that the adjudication in the case had been delayed because of difficulty in finding a “capable laboratory” to conduct the split-sample confirmation testing. In addition, Pletcher’s legal counsel had “sought repeated postponement of the stewards’ hearing, which impeded the stewards from making a determination,” Maione said.

The connections of Forte did not respond to phone calls on Wednesday morning. Pletcher’s attorney, Karen Murphy, also did not respond to a phone call.
The report is sure to generate additional controversy in a sport that has drawn widespread media coverage due to five horse deaths at Churchill Downs in the lead-up to last Saturday’s Kentucky Derby and two additional deaths on the Derby undercard. The New York Times report called the positive an instance of “doping,” a highly charged term that is generally defined as a deliberate attempt to improve athletic performance with the administration of illegal drugs.
The delays in adjudicating the case are sure to lead to added criticism of the sport. Despite the positive test eight months ago, Forte made four starts afterwards, winning them all, including his Derby prep, the Florida Derby.

Heightening the interest, Forte was scratched on the morning of the Derby by the Kentucky state regulatory veterinarian due to lameness in his right front foot. He was then placed on the vet’s list, which will prevent the horse from starting in the second leg of the Triple Crown, the May 20 Preakness Stakes.

In 2020, the U.S. Congress passed legislation creating the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority, which was given a broad mandate to enforce safety rules at U.S. tracks and create a national drug testing program. HISA initially planned to launch both programs by July 1, 2022, but logistical difficulties and litigation filed by prominent horsemen’s groups and other opponents of HISA have delayed the start of the drug testing program until May 22.
Under HISA’s rules, the adjudication process for positive tests for both regulated medications and prohibited drugs is designed to be completed within a month of a positive test result, even when including appeals of any initial decisions. In addition, the rules call for a horse to be disqualified in the event of any positive test, regardless of fault.

Under HISA’s “anti-doping” program, which applies to substances that are not allowed in a horse’s system, trainers are handed a “provisional suspension” that prevents them from entering horses while the case is being adjudicated. Under racing’s current system, suspensions are not issued until a ruling from the stewards, and those suspensions can often be stayed pending an appeal of the ruling. Some of those appeals, especially when filed by trainers with deep pockets, can drag on for months and even years.
Also under HISA’s rules, a trainer with a positive test for a “controlled medication” – a substance that has a recognized therapeutic use in horses but is regulated to prevent abuse – a suspension is not issued until a hearing has taken place.

In any case, because the positive occurred prior to the advent of HISA’s jurisdiction over drug testing and adjudications, Forte’s positive test will continue to be adjudicated by the New York Gaming Commission until it is complete, under the rules in place at the time the race occurred."
 
first look at an early Preak wager board (Bovada) has Mage at 2/1.

First Mission next at 3/1, Blazing Sevens had for 12/1.

looks like a compact field rn ... 8 solid, maybe 10 come next week - only other Derby shooters will be Disarm & Con Game.

gonna be a horrible betting race from an r.o.i. perspective - chalk fest, which necessitates heavy outlay, and that ain't the way i wanna turn a dollar at the track.

i'll just hope B7s stays at a respectable enough price, much like Early Voting last year.

Epicenter went off at 6/5, and came in 2nd ... $2 exacta returned roughly $26, which ain't too bad, considering the chalk, so, who knows.
 
first look at an early Preak wager board (Bovada) has Mage at 2/1.

First Mission next at 3/1, Blazing Sevens had for 12/1.

looks like a compact field rn ... 8 solid, maybe 10 come next week - only other Derby shooters will be Disarm & Con Game.

gonna be a horrible betting race from an r.o.i. perspective - chalk fest, which necessitates heavy outlay, and that ain't the way i wanna turn a dollar at the track.

i'll just hope B7s stays at a respectable enough price, much like Early Voting last year.

Epicenter went off at 6/5, and came in 2nd ... $2 exacta returned roughly $26, which ain't too bad, considering the chalk, so, who knows.

I'm in on First Mission. He will be the 2nd favorite behind Mage and if I can get 3-1 on him I'm taking it. I doubt he goes off at that price with what the field is shaping up to be.

Blazing Sevens is interesting. I don't know if he has the speed to keep up. I hated the way he looked in the FOY. Chad Brown says he is training exceptionally and has never looked better, but I still have my doubts.

I'm no horse trainer, but they should rest Disarm more than 2 weeks, he has been running a lot in the last 3 months with short turnarounds for the Lexington, KY Derby and now Preakness. He is a bet against for me if he runs in the Preakness even though I was impressed with his showing in the Derby. I would like him moving forward on some more days rest.

Desormeaux was cautious with Confidence Game before the KY Derby, now he is going to run him to death.

This is shaping up to be a 2 horse race imo. I'd like to see Mage win it only because of the idea of shipping him to Belmont to meet some solid horses on more than a 2 weeks rest with the triple crown up for grabs gives some great value on the other horses.
 
I like the 4 in the 1st at Hawthorne today. I won with him before and this is his first start back after being claimed back by the trainer that had him that day
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.

Thanks for the insight on telling us how to run the board. You don't see what is deleted and don't have a full understanding. If you see something that is well over the line, use the report button please. Outside of that, please keep it 100% on the topic and not other posters.
 
The $1,000/10 days/disqualification is standard for testing positive for race day NSAID's (like ibuprofen). Not exactly a performance enhancing drug, but since it can mask pain and inflammation it could get a horse that isn't 100% past a veterinary exam and into the gate, which creates more risk to the animal especially if they can't feel the pain as they cause themselves more injury. Pretty damned irresponsible more than anything else.
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.
Show us some examples. And I will show you acting like a kid calling out names. It doesn't matter how long you've been here, btw, that doesn't give you carte blanche to call someone a D-Bag. If I did that, I'd be reported and gone in a heartbeat.

Again, you've got your frat bros, but at least back up what you're saying. I stick to my positions and if you want to debate them, let's go. Tell us, where's the harm in that?

I'm open for any ADULT discussion about anything I said. Keep it horse racing related, it's not that difficult and, as a man, shouldn't bother you in the least, right?
 
Pimlico/Preak oddsmaker hints at possible 8/5ish opening line for Mage.

this are not the most daunting field - i expect FM & B7s to take some good money, and the Bobbo factor will slide NT down further than he deserves.


tl;dr - Mage will be 4/5 by post time.
 
Pimlico/Preak oddsmaker hints at possible 8/5ish opening line for Mage.

this are not the most daunting field - i expect FM & B7s to take some good money, and the Bobbo factor will slide NT down further than he deserves.


tl;dr - Mage will be 4/5 by post time.
Wow
 
keep your eye on the #1 horse (jock in all white silks) ... if they implemented this at Parx the jock room would be completely empty

- oh, and keep touching yer nose, Guilty McGuiltistein.

:oldunsure:
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.

Thanks for the insight on telling us how to run the board. You don't see what is deleted and don't have a full understanding. If you see something that is well over the line, use the report button please. Outside of that, please keep it 100% on the topic and not other posters.
I understand perfectly.
 
From the top of this forum
"Please Be Excellent To One Another"
The old heads around here generally stick to that.

Not really. Tons of deleted posts in an ugly thread about an ugly week with 7 dead horses. Everyone please be a ton more cool in the future.
Ugly thread about an ugly week. Ummm OK. The fatalities are extremely unfortunate and the ONLY ugly thing whatsoever in the thread. It’s a GREAT thread. Cordial, collaborative, fun. Except for one troll disliked immensely by the FBG universe. The exact opposite of cool. Fix that.

Thanks for the insight on telling us how to run the board. You don't see what is deleted and don't have a full understanding. If you see something that is well over the line, use the report button please. Outside of that, please keep it 100% on the topic and not other posters.

If you have time could you please give an example or 2 of the “ugliness” that made this thread “ugly”?
 
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