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07 Rookie Draft Rankings (1 Viewer)

Chaos Commish

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Input is appreciated. I'm leaving out several underclassmen who may declare. I prefer seeing the seniors get bumped for discussing new names as they declare, but feel free to chime in on any draft eligible players. If you catch a serious oversight, know that I rarely comment on players I haven't seen. Mississippi State, Oklahoma State and Iowa State all have solid DTs I haven't checked out this year. A couple small schoolers are also getting some hype.

DTs - Some pretty solid talent in this class. Not real sure about the depth because I tend to get a little too excited about each class, but I like this group. This isn't a premium (fantasy) position, but solid interiors sure help those LBs and DEs. .

1. Alan Branch, Michigan, 6-6 330 - The Stud DL of this draft. Underclassmen. Will go very early (top 5 probable). Has nice IDP potential for a DT. He is disruptive and a playmaker from the interior.



2. Glenn Dorsey, 6-2 305, LSU - I'm a little befuddled at how little love he's getting (in mocks and such), but I guess once he officially declares people will start talking. This kid is MORE disruptive than Branch. He just isn't the giant physical speciman. He's this year's Brodrick Bunkley but MORE athletic. The Tommie Harris/Warren Sapp compares are valid. Dorsey added 20 pounds of muscle this season (like Bunkley a year ago) and I have no doubts about him in the NFL. I think all the bio and player card info out there listing him at 285 is responsible for him being overlooked. It was part of the problem with Bunkley last year. Soon as he weighed in his stock soared. Dorsey needs to declare and tip tumblers.



3. Quinn Pitcock, Ohio State, 6-3 300 - Very complete interior player. Flashed an unexpected pass rush this year that was just a good sign he is ready for Sundays. These top three look like can't miss NFL starters to me.

4. Marcus Thomas, 6-3 305, Florida - Vastly talented suspended pothead. You see him make a few plays and you're not overly impressed. Then you realize #44 is a DT and he's a little jaw dropping. I think he benefits from the postseason poking and prodding because his speed/strength/athleticism ratio will be very impressive, and he'll say all the right things in interviews. He failed two drug tests, owned up to smoking pot, swore to clean up, may have, may not have; but he missed a curfew and failed to complete a drug program, so Meyer dismissed him. He will be very missed in the national championship game. One measure of this kid's talent is fellow DL Ray McDonald. You'll see McDonald (a DE) in the first round of many mocks. Thomas is a much much better player than McDonald. Thomas could play NT, DT, UT, or 3-4 DE and be solid. If he falls in the draft over character concerns and you need and start DTs, this is the name to store away if you don't want to use a draft pick on one of the top 3.

5. DeMarcus Tyler, 6-1 310, NC St. - Hard nosed, very powerful, low centered, athletic two gapper. Could play NT if drafted to do so. That's a rarity lately. Not a fan of his fantasy potential, but a very nice run stuffer for your struggling LBs.

6. Brandon Mebane, Cal, 6-3 300 - Ooof. Mebane was often regarded as the top DT in this class a year ago. Now some would suggest I have him too high. I think Mebane ends the DTs with a shot at the first round (6!?), and I obviously still think Mebane is a terrific prospect. He had an inconsistent year, as did the Cal Bears, but at his best he is freakishly good. I mentioned somewhere (in some mock draft here) that USC Center Ryan Kalil had an almost perfect season. Well, Mebane makes that "an almost" because he destroyed the highly regarded Trojan center. Tedford has nothing but high praise for his DT and likes to point out that he was always doubled and often occuppied three players setting things up for his LBs. I nearly put him at #5.

7. Kareem Brown, 6-3 315, Miami FL - He does everything at a high level. Everytime I watched Miami this year this guy was heavily involved in a positive way. A first year starter, perhaps not given the credit he deserves for lack of experience and name recognition, but Brown is a player. The Canes led the ACC against the run and Brown was, imo, the primary reason.

8. Justin Harrell, Tennesee, 6-4 300 - We're forced to go on last year and his potential because of injury, but I like him enough to put him here for now and have him poised to move up a spot or three. I put him here because I sense a sizeable drop off after him or Brown, and I think this top 7 or 8 are all very capable players for the next level.

9. Amobi Okoye, Louisville, 6-1 315 - The prodigy. He gets a lot of (1st round) love in mocks. I understand he is only 20. I also understand he played well in Stanley's absence. I know he lost weight. I'm not sure if that's good. Shouldn't a 19 year old be able to add size and strength without losing speed? He needed the speed so he dieted. I read reports of him stuffing everything. That's not what I saw in the big games (Rutgers and WVirgina). He was great against weak competion and looked like a sophomore against the better teams. If he goes in the first round, I'll eat crow, but if his value is predicated on youth and not performance as I suspect, that's a huge risk. Mr. Dufresne. Your wonder boy is going up against a very solid center in the Orange Bowl. Let's watch him closely. I'll be open minded about this kid. I'm always (okay almost always) willing to defer to experts when I am outnumbered, and I do believe Okoye has NFL talent. I just don't see the very very high ratings and first round projection.



10. Jay Alford, Penn State, 6-3 295 - I could have went with a few names to make ten, but Alford deserves mention somewhere. Watching Penn State's LBs stuff and clean up everything I realized there was some serious talent on that DL. Alford is a tough customer

DTs are about the least interesting for fantasy purposes, so I did them first. I'll try to do DEs and OLBs in one post, ILBs, CBs and Ss during bowl season when many of us get a chance to check 'em out.

 
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terrific stuff.

Branch is definitely head and shoulders above everyone else in this DT class (literally and figuratively). I also like slotting Dorsey as the #2, if he comes out. I think Thomas is #3 without character concerns.

I've definitely taken note of your stance on Okoye. Like you, I suspect his rating is based on his considerable upside than his performance.

Thoughts on Turk McBride, who has markedly stepped up his game since Harrell went out?

 
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terrific stuff.

Branch is definitely head and shoulders above everyone else in this DT class (literally and figuratively). I also like slotting Dorsey as the #2, if he comes out. I think Thomas is #3 without character concerns.

I've definitely taken note of your stance on Okoye. Like you, I suspect his rating is based on his considerable upside than his performance.

Thoughts on Turk McBride, who has markedly stepped up his game since Harrell went out?
Thanks. Okoye could be a great topic to debate. He isn't much different than an underclassmen, but it does seem like his age has too much to do with the prevailing opinion, in my opinion. The Orange Bowl will be interesting, and I reserve the right to change course on him until after that game.McBride looked awesome against Kentucky and great late in the season in general. For me he made a very unexpected move into the draftable DTs, and as much as I watched Tennessee, I can't say I paid careful attention to him. BUT, if a player is flashing "next level" skills I generally (literally) make note of it. McBride never did that for me. I find it interesting that the AP made him 1st team all conference but the conference coaches didn't vote him 2nd team. A clue? I think the Kentucky game is getting too much weight.

ManWitNoName - There's a few in my top ten that could be used at DE in the 3-4. But I tend to think that's not a big stretch for most taller DTs. If Olshansky can do it at a very high level (believe me, he was a DTs DT at Oregon), then most of the guys with a little length can probably move out to 3-4 DE. On my list I think Branch would be dominant from there. Pitcock and Dorsey remind me of the Charger duo, you can guess who is Igor and who is Castillo. I already mentioned it being an option for Thomas. Harrell and Alford are also candidates. Alford led the Nittany Lions in sacks and stuffs from the tackle spot. He's also a little light for the NFL interior, but perfect for 3-4 DE work. But, unranked is a DT who should move to 3-4 DE-- Joe Anoai from Ga Tech. Florida DE Ray Montgomery might be a perfect fit too. He moved to DT after Thomas was moved off the team. He earned all conference as a tackle, but projects as an end... sounds like a 3-4 end to me.

 
Input is appreciated. I'm leaving out several underclassmen who may declare. I prefer seeing the seniors get bumped for discussing new names as they declare, but feel free to chime in on any draft eligible players. If you catch a serious oversight, know that I rarely comment on players I haven't seen. Mississippi State, Oklahoma State and Iowa State all have solid DTs I haven't checked out this year. A couple small schoolers are also getting some hype.

DTs - Some pretty solid talent in this class. Not real sure about the depth because I tend to get a little too excited about each class, but I like this group. This isn't a premium (fantasy) position, but solid interiors sure help those LBs and DEs. .

10. Jay Alford, Penn State, 6-3 295 - I could have went with a few names to make ten, but Alford deserves mention somewhere. Watching Penn State's LBs stuff and clean up everything I realized there was some serious talent on that DL. Alford is a tough customer

DTs are about the least interesting for fantasy purposes, so I did them first. I'll try to do DEs and OLBs in one post, ILBs, CBs and Ss during bowl season when many of us get a chance to check 'em out.
Great stuff CC. Just to throw in a homer opinion on Alford. While I think that most draft pundits are overrating Levi Brown a little bit, I also think they are underrating Alford. He is really a very good player and I think he can succeed at the next level. As with the Penn State RBs, people think of the failures like Courtney Brown when they talk about the PSU DLine guys in the NFL. But there have been some real good players from there lately. Larry Johnson Sr (LJ's father, for those who don't know) does an excellent job preparing his players for the NFL. As you mentioned, DTs are not a great fantasy position and I don't really expect Jay to make a big fantasy impact. But he should be a good NFL DT and give some fantasy value to the LBs behind him, like he is doing at Penn State.
 
10. Jay Alford, Penn State, 6-3 295 - I could have went with a few names to make ten, but Alford deserves mention somewhere. Watching Penn State's LBs stuff and clean up everything I realized there was some serious talent on that DL. Alford is a tough customer
Great stuff CC. Just to throw in a homer opinion on Alford. While I think that most draft pundits are overrating Levi Brown a little bit, I also think they are underrating Alford. He is really a very good player and I think he can succeed at the next level. As with the Penn State RBs, people think of the failures like Courtney Brown when they talk about the PSU DLine guys in the NFL. But there have been some real good players from there lately. Larry Johnson Sr (LJ's father, for those who don't know) does an excellent job preparing his players for the NFL. As you mentioned, DTs are not a great fantasy position and I don't really expect Jay to make a big fantasy impact. But he should be a good NFL DT and give some fantasy value to the LBs behind him, like he is doing at Penn State.
Thanks for the feedback. I was too low on Hali last year! I'll admit it. He's not bad. :ph34r: For the record, I liked Mario, Manny, Kamerion, Mathias, Anderson and Tapp better than Tamba. I also mentioned thinking Ray Edwards was as good and Adeyanju was similar. Now, those are all pretty darn good looking rookies and I don't feel like a complete idiot for pimping Anderson and Edwards, and I don't think Hali is better than Kiwi, but I sure was too critical. I don't know if it was here or elsewhere but part of my anti-Hali schtick was praise for Alford last year. Alford was top five in the Big 10 in sacks and many times chased a QB into Hali by blowing up the middle. IF he was 300+. IF PSU lineman could be trusted to do due diligence in the weightroom. Therefore, IF I didn't make the mistake of overemphasizing measureables; then I would have Alford at #7 and 7-10 reversed. So, I'm probably guilty of underrating him as I struggled to make him top 10.
 
10. Jay Alford, Penn State, 6-3 295 - I could have went with a few names to make ten, but Alford deserves mention somewhere. Watching Penn State's LBs stuff and clean up everything I realized there was some serious talent on that DL. Alford is a tough customer
Great stuff CC. Just to throw in a homer opinion on Alford. While I think that most draft pundits are overrating Levi Brown a little bit, I also think they are underrating Alford. He is really a very good player and I think he can succeed at the next level. As with the Penn State RBs, people think of the failures like Courtney Brown when they talk about the PSU DLine guys in the NFL. But there have been some real good players from there lately. Larry Johnson Sr (LJ's father, for those who don't know) does an excellent job preparing his players for the NFL. As you mentioned, DTs are not a great fantasy position and I don't really expect Jay to make a big fantasy impact. But he should be a good NFL DT and give some fantasy value to the LBs behind him, like he is doing at Penn State.
Thanks for the feedback. I was too low on Hali last year! I'll admit it. He's not bad. :rolleyes: For the record, I liked Mario, Manny, Kamerion, Mathias, Anderson and Tapp better than Tamba. I also mentioned thinking Ray Edwards was as good and Adeyanju was similar. Now, those are all pretty darn good looking rookies and I don't feel like a complete idiot for pimping Anderson and Edwards, and I don't think Hali is better than Kiwi, but I sure was too critical. I don't know if it was here or elsewhere but part of my anti-Hali schtick was praise for Alford last year. Alford was top five in the Big 10 in sacks and many times chased a QB into Hali by blowing up the middle. IF he was 300+. IF PSU lineman could be trusted to do due diligence in the weightroom. Therefore, IF I didn't make the mistake of overemphasizing measureables; then I would have Alford at #7 and 7-10 reversed. So, I'm probably guilty of underrating him as I struggled to make him top 10.
You have a great point about the weight room though. We alumni who closely follow football have been #####ing about that for years. They just do not have a good strength training program and that is a major issue with lineman. I think on the DLine that Johnson teaches them such good techniques that a lot of the DLine guys can overcome it. But our OLine coach is not nearly as skilled in my mind. One thing that has been brought up from time to time is that because Paterno is so straight laced and old school, our players don't have much in the way of supplements, legal or not, as part of their development while a lot of other premier schools do. I think there may be some validity to that, but I also think that some fans use it as an excuse for a weak overall strength training program.
 
I rarely comment on players I haven't seen. Mississippi State, Oklahoma State and Iowa State all have solid DTs I haven't checked out this year.
His name is Ryan McBean, and he's something else. If we're talking 3-4 run stuffing DE, this guy is perfect at 6-5 and 295. Very strong. A nice athlete. I'm working on DEs and LBs but wanted to mention him. This top 10 has shuffled a bit. Well here's a fresh set of rankings sans commentary.1. Alan Branch

2. Glenn Dorsey

3. Ryan McBean

4. Quinn Pitcock

5. Marcus Thomas

6. Amobi Okoye

7. Jay Alford

8. Brandon Mebane

9. Tank Tyler

10. Kareem Brown

Justin Harrell gets bumped for not playing, but testing will tell us more. McBean is a beast. I had to pimp him this much. Pitcock and Thomas have to rock Monday night to move past him. I lightened up on Okoye, became more impressed with Alford, less with Tyler and Brown, the same with Mebane though he fell for the impressers. This is a weak draft class but that's a stout list of football players. Not a bad crop of DTs at all.

 
Thomas will have a hard time rocking on Monday night since he's been off the team for a while. He's got the physical abilities, but I doubt he's got the maturity or work ethic to succeed in the NFL. The guy's carping about how hard it was playing for Myer, that Myer has rules, and he expects you to follow them. I think his problems go beyond the drug suspension, it's more about how he couldn't do what he had to do after he was back on the team. He got the boot because he didn't feel like going to some kind of drug education class, not for another failed test.

 
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Thomas will have a hard time rocking on Monday night since he's been off the team for a while. He's got the physical abilities, but I doubt he's got the maturity or work ethic to succeed in the NFL. The guy's carping about how hard it was playing for Myer, that Myer has rules, and he expects you to follow them. I think his problems go beyond the drug suspension, it's more about how he couldn't do what he had to do after he was back on the team. He got the boot because he didn't feel like going to some kind of drug education class, not for another failed test.
I knew that. :D I even wrote about it above. Just a late night brain fart caused by trying to grade and rank DEs. It's unpossible!Beyond correcting my mistake about him playing Monday, this is good info, thanks. So, if he's as mental or immature as you seem to think, and I have no reason to doubt you, then there's probably no way he's NFL quality. Sad if true. They'll figure it out in the run up to the draft. He has so much talent. It will be interesting to follow.
 
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Sometimes it's easy to forget how young these guys are, maybe he can get his head straight. If he does, you're right, he has all the physical tools to be a great player. He had to know that this was essentially his contract year. Remember, he was a Zook recruit, not one of Myer's kids, and that might be part of the reason why he hasn't kept himself on the field. Hopefully he can realize he's running out of chances and get things together. As an IDP pick, I wouldn't waste a high pick on him, but he could be worth taking a chance on with a late pick and keeping your fingers crossed that he's not out of the league in year.

 
It would be great to have some threads like this on all the IDP positions. I have been reading up on some from the ushual suspect publications and online resources but I am still guessing too much on inside linebackers especialy as to who is better and how how to rank them.

Would be great to have some discushion on these topics here.

 

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