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2024 IDP Weekly News (4 Viewers)

Miami used two LB quite a bit this year.

Remains to be seen who the #1 is, but I think both will be in play. Can't get mad at Walker for free, I'll hold him for a bit
 
Dodson was unable to hold off Bernard in BUF, even immediately losing the starting role as soon as Bernard was available post-injury last off-season. Now SEA is moving on from him after moving him to WLB when they traded for Jones. I don't have PFF but am curious what his score looks like there. Based on his inability to hold on to starting roles in several situations now, I'm assuming he's JAG. Walker isn't exactly a stud but he's proven to be solid over his career ( +JAG+ ?? lol ) so I'm not overly worried that Dodson will overtake him. I agree with @massraider that Walker is definitely a hold and, even if cut, did solid work for those of us that plugged him in a for a week or three.
 
Dodson was unable to hold off Bernard in BUF, even immediately losing the starting role as soon as Bernard was available post-injury last off-season. Now SEA is moving on from him after moving him to WLB when they traded for Jones. I don't have PFF but am curious what his score looks like there. Based on his inability to hold on to starting roles in several situations now, I'm assuming he's JAG. Walker isn't exactly a stud but he's proven to be solid over his career ( +JAG+ ?? lol ) so I'm not overly worried that Dodson will overtake him. I agree with @massraider that Walker is definitely a hold and, even if cut, did solid work for those of us that plugged him in a for a week or three.
I wonder if only about a dozen LBs are more than JAGs, not even including some high-profile IDPs. We've seen guys like Devin White and Shaq Leonard just fall out of the league in their prime ages recently. Would anyone be surprised if next year, guys like Zaire Franklin, Oluokun, Bolton, and Logan Wilson just didn't have starting jobs? I wouldn't - they're great IDPs, but they're not Roquan Smith or Fred Warner. Jordyn Brooks was a great IDP in Seattle, but my recollection is that his PFF scores weren't very good, and it caught up with him. Same for White in Tampa.

My problem is that I'm not great at figuring out who's going to be Demario Davis and who's going to be Jaylon Smith. Even in hindsight, was Shaq Leonard great, but injury ended his career, or was he just in a good situation and wasn't good enough to stand out when he moved teams? I don't really know. Maybe I'm talking myself into a PFF subscription - I wish they had an IDP-only package available so I could see Macri's articles and defensive player ratings.

We pretty much learned that the NFL thinks that Jones, Baker, Long, and Dodson aren't difference makers. I wonder how long that list really is (but I'm pretty sure Walker's on it too).

ETA: Maybe it's the position - like RBs, where only a handful can keep starting after age 28 due to the beating they take and the oversupply of competent rookies available.
 
Dodson was unable to hold off Bernard in BUF, even immediately losing the starting role as soon as Bernard was available post-injury last off-season. Now SEA is moving on from him after moving him to WLB when they traded for Jones. I don't have PFF but am curious what his score looks like there. Based on his inability to hold on to starting roles in several situations now, I'm assuming he's JAG. Walker isn't exactly a stud but he's proven to be solid over his career ( +JAG+ ?? lol ) so I'm not overly worried that Dodson will overtake him. I agree with @massraider that Walker is definitely a hold and, even if cut, did solid work for those of us that plugged him in a for a week or three.
I wonder if only about a dozen LBs are more than JAGs, not even including some high-profile IDPs. We've seen guys like Devin White and Shaq Leonard just fall out of the league in their prime ages recently. Would anyone be surprised if next year, guys like Zaire Franklin, Oluokun, Bolton, and Logan Wilson just didn't have starting jobs? I wouldn't - they're great IDPs, but they're not Roquan Smith or Fred Warner. Jordyn Brooks was a great IDP in Seattle, but my recollection is that his PFF scores weren't very good, and it caught up with him. Same for White in Tampa.

My problem is that I'm not great at figuring out who's going to be Demario Davis and who's going to be Jaylon Smith. Even in hindsight, was Shaq Leonard great, but injury ended his career, or was he just in a good situation and wasn't good enough to stand out when he moved teams? I don't really know. Maybe I'm talking myself into a PFF subscription - I wish they had an IDP-only package available so I could see Macri's articles and defensive player ratings.

We pretty much learned that the NFL thinks that Jones, Baker, Long, and Dodson aren't difference makers. I wonder how long that list really is (but I'm pretty sure Walker's on it too).

ETA: Maybe it's the position - like RBs, where only a handful can keep starting after age 28 due to the beating they take and the oversupply of competent rookies available.
Yes.

lol... I do agree with the general ideas here. Not many are truly special (which fits across D & O positions if we're being honest) and there's a blend of coaching/scheme/talent/buy-in that helps some of the JAG+ types to look like high level players when they're perhaps not. The RB comp is especially interesting now that the RB de-valuation (at least for IRL NFL) has reset them to a pretty approximate value to LBs. I find it all especially odd after expecting LB values to skyrocket due to scarcity but that just hasn't happened.

There also needs to be a sprinkling of 3 safety sets becoming prevalent worked into the conversation. Not that I'm planning to delve into that tho lol
 
We pretty much learned that the NFL thinks that Jones, Baker, Long, and Dodson aren't difference makers. I wonder how long that list really is (but I'm pretty sure Walker's on it too).
I pretty much had those guys as JAG's before this year. I don't think what is happening with them is altogether surprising. I didn't see Dodson getting cut after playing 98% of the snaps YTD but I wouldn't say he was anything more than a JAG.

I believe Leonard was elite and injuries got him. I believe Oluokun is elite. Wilson & Franklin are quality LB's in good situations making them a bit better for IDP. I think Bolton is an elite LB but not in an altogether IDP friendly situation which drops his IDP value to more of a JAG. This all based on eye test for when I watch them play.

I think for the IDP world you can mine IDP value at the LB position fairly easily if you know scheme and usage. This allows you to get the no-name guys that are IDP gold and let other's go after the high end names to give you bargains.
 
Personally I believe Oluokun is a better IDP LB than real life LB. No Pro Bowl selections and no All Pro Team selections despite all the tackles. I was reading something about this the other day, wish I could remember who wrote it and where :ponder:
 
We pretty much learned that the NFL thinks that Jones, Baker, Long, and Dodson aren't difference makers. I wonder how long that list really is (but I'm pretty sure Walker's on it too).
I pretty much had those guys as JAG's before this year. I don't think what is happening with them is altogether surprising. I didn't see Dodson getting cut after playing 98% of the snaps YTD but I wouldn't say he was anything more than a JAG.
I'm listening to a Macri podcast, he mentioned Dodson was the #3 rated LB in coverage last season and is #11 so far this season. He didn't mention overall grade.
 
We pretty much learned that the NFL thinks that Jones, Baker, Long, and Dodson aren't difference makers. I wonder how long that list really is (but I'm pretty sure Walker's on it too).
I pretty much had those guys as JAG's before this year. I don't think what is happening with them is altogether surprising. I didn't see Dodson getting cut after playing 98% of the snaps YTD but I wouldn't say he was anything more than a JAG.

I believe Leonard was elite and injuries got him. I believe Oluokun is elite. Wilson & Franklin are quality LB's in good situations making them a bit better for IDP. I think Bolton is an elite LB but not in an altogether IDP friendly situation which drops his IDP value to more of a JAG. This all based on eye test for when I watch them play.

I think for the IDP world you can mine IDP value at the LB position fairly easily if you know scheme and usage. This allows you to get the no-name guys that are IDP gold and let other's go after the high end names to give you bargains.
That’s why I’m here, but I still traded Saquon for Roquan this offseason.
 
Does anyone have any updates on JOK? Everything I have seen is that he is likely not playing this year and there is "hope" he will play again. All that sounds ominous. I am on the verge of being out of it this year and was wondering if he is worth going after in a trade for the future.

Anybody know anything about his liklihood of playing next year?
 
Does anyone have any updates on JOK? Everything I have seen is that he is likely not playing this year and there is "hope" he will play again. All that sounds ominous. I am on the verge of being out of it this year and was wondering if he is worth going after in a trade for the future.

Anybody know anything about his liklihood of playing next year?
Sounds like it's too early to tell. Worse than originally thought, but optimism that he'll play next year (while this year is almost assuredly a wrap).

JOK Injury worse than originally thought
 
FBG has Roquan Smith ranked as the #62 LB. One of the projectors has 0 points for him.

He practiced in full Friday and is not listed on the injury report. Should be a good start.
 

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