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10 Worst Fantasy Football Cliches (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
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trogg78
Footballguy
The previous 10 posts or so trying to explain the purpose of removing outliers is not only off topic, but also “the worst”.
Ilov80s
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trogg78
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Any historical stats are dumb. "The Vikings are 12-30 all time when on the road vs AFC East teams" or "The last 2 times Dez Bryant played the Carolina Panthers he scored a TD in both games."
Those past games have nothing to do with this game. So much changes from year to year, sample sizes are so small, it's just a dumb point to start any argument from.
Those past games have nothing to do with this game. So much changes from year to year, sample sizes are so small, it's just a dumb point to start any argument from.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
In general, perhaps. But having seen teams outright give up long before it was appropriate, or individual players take plays off (hi, Randy Moss), not really sure this is a cliche.
simsarge
Footballguy
It certainly is in the context of how its generally used in sports today. WR & DB going for a jump ball, two teams in a close game, etc. are giving what they got to make the play/game. One guy is stronger, jumps higher, has better leverage, got lucky this time. But for the vast majority of instances they're tying as hard as they can
Sure there's the occasional outlier and teams that are down 3 scores with a minute to play are already on the plane home, but i'm not talking about the blowout guys or the Mosses.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
game script..um, sorry , but its a game PLAN..mmmmkay?
player X faces the easiest defense against his position ..start him!!!
no , you probably should bench Eli v SF this weekend. too many times this season a player with an easy matchup just plain underwhelms..
player X faces the easiest defense against his position ..start him!!!
no , you probably should bench Eli v SF this weekend. too many times this season a player with an easy matchup just plain underwhelms..
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I'm going to be interested in the Giants/Niners game to see who wants it more. I get the feeling the Giants have indeed given up and we'll see the Niners roll them as this cliche shows its basis in reality (as some cliches do).
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
# 3 Anything that comes out of Deon Sanders' mouth. He needs to leave. I'm talking perma ban.
# 2 Pound the rock. What is this, Levinworth?
# 1 Poise. As it relates to any quarterback. Ever.
# 2 Pound the rock. What is this, Levinworth?
# 1 Poise. As it relates to any quarterback. Ever.
Pigskin Fanatic
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
So far this year the phrase "What do we think about X?"
I can't speak for anyone but myself, so impossible to answer such a question.
Not sure who started this but I wish they hadn't.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, so impossible to answer such a question.
Not sure who started this but I wish they hadn't.
For me the worst is whenever someone says X team has “offensive line issues” or a “terrible offensive line”. It’s the laziest “analysis” around. You hear it all the time because most offensive lines are bad, have issues or at the very least lack depth (so will soon be bad once someone gets hurt) but it’s just a nothing talking point for most people. Almost no one doing fantasy analysis knows much at all about offensive line play but it’s super easy to just repeat that a team has offensive line issues (you probably heard it somewhere else) in an attempt to sound like you know what you’re talking about.
The other one I hate is “when I watched his tape”...in most cases that means YouTube highlights.
The other one I hate is “when I watched his tape”...in most cases that means YouTube highlights.
Credit where it's due: Christopher Harris from the Harris Football podcast is remarkably candid about this. He refuses to base his preseason fantasy analysis on offensive line play because he admits he doesn't understand it in enough detail, and he brought Ross Tucker on as a guest to offer a more informed opinion.
I also liked Tucker's approach: there are a few lines good/bad enough to impact the fantasy prospects of their skill players, but most are neutral and shouldn't be factored in.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Wouldn't it be lazier to just ignore offensive linemen and their quality all together?
Not saying people don't say this without knowing what they are talking about, but when you watch Seattle it should be pretty obvious that they are not doing a very good job and that is affecting their RB play. Or last year the Vikings offensive line was terrible, no one could run effectively behind that group.
Good offensive line play certainly helped Elliot and their other RBs perform at a high level.
Not saying people don't say this without knowing what they are talking about, but when you watch Seattle it should be pretty obvious that they are not doing a very good job and that is affecting their RB play. Or last year the Vikings offensive line was terrible, no one could run effectively behind that group.
Good offensive line play certainly helped Elliot and their other RBs perform at a high level.
Biabreakable
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BobbyLayne
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Yeah this pretty much sums up what the segment on Harris Football Podcast was supposed to be about. I think somehow it morphed into overused cliches.
The whole point of this thread (& the show segment) was supposed to be these crutch arguments, unsupported by data, that you haul out to justify lineup decisions or trades. It's human nature.
It's like you come up with a list of reasons you are benching Doug Martin. We're two weeks away from a 19 touch game (which followed a 22 touch game), and he looks amazing on film. The situation is not great, but he's the same guy. But a lot of people benching him this week are doing it for emotional reasons; they want to "punish him" for coming up small last week. That's completely irrational, so you have to haul out some tried and true clutch arguments to justify/rationalize your decision.
You don't want to play Keenan Allen this week, that's legit - 3-4 week trends, the high level the Jags CBs are playing at, etc. But the Chargers flying east is not a valid reason to bench him.
Ehhhh... I've seen people post that before and it brings a quote from The Dude (The Big Lewboski for the young'uns) to mind: "You're not wrong, Walter. You're just an a______."
So I don't think it's a bad cliche. It's just not nice.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Heard a great quote yesterday:
If you’re wrong in the way you’re right, you’re wrong even if you’re right.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
I think the original HF segment, as well as this thread, conflated two of Harris' hobby horses: cliches ("National Football League") and crutch arguments (West Coast team playing at 1 pm).
