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18 game schedule in 2012? (1 Viewer)

As long as they can balance out the offseason work, I have no problem with 18 games in the regular season. It's fairly simple from a scheduling point of view to make it happen aswell. It's possible that the NFL wants to introduce more international games also.

 
while i would absolutely love it if this were 2 happen as a fan i cant help but be cynical. The nfl is in the middle of a negotiation with players. They probably expected fans 2 jump all over the idea so players would be forced into it-or 2 give up something in return. Surprised at the number of fans who prefer more preseason games

 
while i would absolutely love it if this were 2 happen as a fan i cant help but be cynical. The nfl is in the middle of a negotiation with players. They probably expected fans 2 jump all over the idea so players would be forced into it-or 2 give up something in return. Surprised at the number of fans who prefer more preseason games

 
while i would absolutely love it if this were 2 happen as a fan i cant help but be cynical. The nfl is in the middle of a negotiation with players. They probably expected fans 2 jump all over the idea so players would be forced into it-or 2 give up something in return. Surprised at the number of fans who prefer more preseason games
So am I. Two preseason games is more than enough for me. Next Thursday I am stuck going to the 4th preseason game where starters will only play a quarter. I'll probably leave sometime in the 3rd quarter.
 
Faust said:
So what would the fantasy football schedule look like in a 18 game NFL season?
Well assuming that everyone gets 2 bye weeks you are looking at a 20 week NFL regular season. It does open up a nice option for 12 team leagues and 16 team leagues -12 teams - 2 conferences - play everyone in conference 2 times plus everyone in the other division once = 16 games with up to four weeks for playoffs. 16 teams - 2 conferences with 2 divisions each - Play everyone in conference 2 times and out of conference once = 15 games with up to five weeks for playoffs.8 teams - 2 conferences - Play everyone in conference 3 times and everyone out of conference 2 times = 17 games with three weeks for playoffs. I haven't come up with any nice clean options for 10 and 14 teams just yet.
Your 16 team option is either incorrect or worded poorly. For a 16 team league, a 15 game schedule means playing every other team once.If each team played every other team in its 8 team conference 2 times and every team in the other conference once, that would be 22 games. If each team played every other team in its 4 team division 2 times and every team outside the division once, that would be 18 games.
 
I think a bigger fantasy impact is going to be drafts. Imagine if this weekend was the start of the NFL season, drafts would have already been held last weekend at the latest. I have 2 drafts this weekend, which seems about the norm, so if you are talking early to mid August, you are talking about a lot more people on vacation making the drafts a PIA to schedule. Not sure about everywhere, but my kids started school this week and I know some started last week as well, so if school has started or is going to start next week, you know most everyone will be home.

 
Just Win Baby said:
I'm not opposed to shortening the preseason. My problem is with adding more regular season games. Football is an extremely violent game and it's already pretty difficult for a lot of these guys to stay healthy for 16+ regular season games and playoffs. Adding two more games will only increase the toll on the players, increase the number of injuries, and water down the product.

Part of what makes the NFL great in comparison to the NBA/MLB is that the season is relatively short, so every game has huge significance. Will two more games make a huge difference? Probably not, but this is a slippery slope. How long until they start pushing for a 20 game season? Then 24? Then 30? At some point you have to draw the line.
IMO there is a Chicken Little element to the bolded. This is not a realistic scenario IMO and thus not worthy of being cited in your argument.
I don't buy the idea that this move is for the fans. The NFL is already hugely popular in America. Fans love the product. The only people pushing for the extra two games are the greedy owners who want to pocket a few more millions. That's their right, but I think their product might eventually suffer if they keep making decisions that are driven by their wallets rather than a genuine desire to improve/maintain the quality of their league.
I'm a fan, and I like the move. I regularly watch regular and postseason games but I rarely watch preseason games. This will provide more quality football I will actually watch.

I have a bit of apprehension about injuries, but as has been mentioned, injuries already occur in preseason games. What do starters typically play in preseason, maybe 5-6 quarters or so? 1 quarter in the first game, 2 quarters in the second game, 2-3 quarters in the third game, and none in the last game? Or close to that, anyway. This would probably mean they'd play 4 quarters or so in 2 preseason games. Plus two more regular season games. So we're talking about roughly 6 more quarters of play. I don't expect to see a significant increase in games missed due to injury due to this. :shrug:
Not necessarily. By increasing the season by two games, you're moving closer and closer to a marathon season where teams are going to pace themselves. Teams that have the division in hand early, will rest their starters. Now they sometimes rest them the last game or two of the season. What happens when the Colts for example are 12-1? They will start resting guys much earlier. There goes your quality football.Another thing to consider about your quality football argument is when they increase the roster size, they aren't adding studs, they're adding guys who wouldn't have otherwise been on a NFL roster. These aren't quality players leading to quality football. These are bums.

Why your name is "Just Win Baby: but you're a Charger fan?

 
Just Win Baby said:
I'm not opposed to shortening the preseason. My problem is with adding more regular season games. Football is an extremely violent game and it's already pretty difficult for a lot of these guys to stay healthy for 16+ regular season games and playoffs. Adding two more games will only increase the toll on the players, increase the number of injuries, and water down the product.

Part of what makes the NFL great in comparison to the NBA/MLB is that the season is relatively short, so every game has huge significance. Will two more games make a huge difference? Probably not, but this is a slippery slope. How long until they start pushing for a 20 game season? Then 24? Then 30? At some point you have to draw the line.
IMO there is a Chicken Little element to the bolded. This is not a realistic scenario IMO and thus not worthy of being cited in your argument.
I don't buy the idea that this move is for the fans. The NFL is already hugely popular in America. Fans love the product. The only people pushing for the extra two games are the greedy owners who want to pocket a few more millions. That's their right, but I think their product might eventually suffer if they keep making decisions that are driven by their wallets rather than a genuine desire to improve/maintain the quality of their league.
I'm a fan, and I like the move. I regularly watch regular and postseason games but I rarely watch preseason games. This will provide more quality football I will actually watch.

I have a bit of apprehension about injuries, but as has been mentioned, injuries already occur in preseason games. What do starters typically play in preseason, maybe 5-6 quarters or so? 1 quarter in the first game, 2 quarters in the second game, 2-3 quarters in the third game, and none in the last game? Or close to that, anyway. This would probably mean they'd play 4 quarters or so in 2 preseason games. Plus two more regular season games. So we're talking about roughly 6 more quarters of play. I don't expect to see a significant increase in games missed due to injury due to this. :shrug:
Not necessarily. By increasing the season by two games, you're moving closer and closer to a marathon season where teams are going to pace themselves. Teams that have the division in hand early, will rest their starters. Now they sometimes rest them the last game or two of the season. What happens when the Colts for example are 12-1? They will start resting guys much earlier. There goes your quality football.Another thing to consider about your quality football argument is when they increase the roster size, they aren't adding studs, they're adding guys who wouldn't have otherwise been on a NFL roster. These aren't quality players leading to quality football. These are bums.
This makes no sense. Yes, it's possible there could be a few more games at the end of the season where players are rested... but there are no preseason games that are quality football... so we are exchanging 32 preseason games that aren't quality football for 32 regular season games, of which a few could be of lesser quality due to more injuries and/or resting players before the playoffs. There is no possible way that is not an increase in quality football.
Why your name is "Just Win Baby: but you're a Charger fan?
I like the phrase, not the originator of the phrase. (Assuming Al Davis originated the phrase.)
 
Superdbs said:
The owners better be ready to pay the players a ####-ton more money if they put through an 18 game schedule. The players have a legitimate beef about there being more injuries-- even though it would still be 20 games *total*, most front line players right now are only playing 3 or 4 series for the first two preseason games, most of game #3, and not at all in #4, so of course there will be more injuries with two full extra games spread across 32 teams.

I think this is going to be a real sticking point in hammering out a new CBA. With the owners still getting full TV revenue even if there's no season next year, (how in the bloody hell did the networks agree to that?!) they have major clout and can wait the players out like they always do, but I think the players really dig in for a long fight this time. Wish there were a little more urgency from both sides to get something done instead of waiting for the inevitable stare-down next spring--
It's important to remember that that money isn't "free". The money paid would be taken out of future TV payments, making it, in effect, a loan to keep the franchises floating until football resumes. The owners would still lose a ton of money if football is halted, just not all at once like the players.
 
As long as they can balance out the offseason work, I have no problem with 18 games in the regular season.
This is something to think about:If the owners want two more regular season games ... perhaps training camp should be shortened by two weeks. Maybe OTAs & minicamps can be scaled back, too. That way, the owners can trade one injury risk (two extra regular-season games) for another (time spent in OTAs, minicamps, and August two-a-days).

Kinda coming around to that old adage that "college football doesn't need a training camp!". Maybe the pros don't need much of one, either.

 
The players would have to agree to an expanded schedule in the new contract with the owners. The owners have opted out of the current agreement making the 2010 the final season. There will be no football in 2011 without a new labor contract.

The owners want to reduce the amount of $$ the players get. The players will expect more $$$ for a longer season and the owners will expect a significant increase in the $$$ the networks pay them if they go to an 18 game season.

This is all about money and nothing else. The players wanted to extend the current labor agreement for another five years. This is all just a big PR game going on right now.

 
Per CSNPhilly.com

"Former Eagle Brian Dawkins is opposed to an 18-game schedule, writes Aaron Wilson of National Football Post.

Dawkins says he sees where it makes sense from a money standpoint, “but from a physical, longevity, the way the season is right now, I’m not talking about me right now at 36, I’m talking about me at 29, 28, I know how I felt going into the postseason, licking my wounds, so to speak.”

Wilson writes that, “When asked what he would tell fans who want more meaningful games, Dawkins said they should apply the if it's not broken, don't fix it concept.”

 
I'm not opposed to shortening the preseason. My problem is with adding more regular season games. Football is an extremely violent game and it's already pretty difficult for a lot of these guys to stay healthy for 16+ regular season games and playoffs. Adding two more games will only increase the toll on the players, increase the number of injuries, and water down the product.

Part of what makes the NFL great in comparison to the NBA/MLB is that the season is relatively short, so every game has huge significance. Will two more games make a huge difference? Probably not, but this is a slippery slope. How long until they start pushing for a 20 game season? Then 24? Then 30? At some point you have to draw the line.
IMO there is a Chicken Little element to the bolded. This is not a realistic scenario IMO and thus not worthy of being cited in your argument.
I don't buy the idea that this move is for the fans. The NFL is already hugely popular in America. Fans love the product. The only people pushing for the extra two games are the greedy owners who want to pocket a few more millions. That's their right, but I think their product might eventually suffer if they keep making decisions that are driven by their wallets rather than a genuine desire to improve/maintain the quality of their league.
I'm a fan, and I like the move. I regularly watch regular and postseason games but I rarely watch preseason games. This will provide more quality football I will actually watch.

I have a bit of apprehension about injuries, but as has been mentioned, injuries already occur in preseason games. What do starters typically play in preseason, maybe 5-6 quarters or so? 1 quarter in the first game, 2 quarters in the second game, 2-3 quarters in the third game, and none in the last game? Or close to that, anyway. This would probably mean they'd play 4 quarters or so in 2 preseason games. Plus two more regular season games. So we're talking about roughly 6 more quarters of play. I don't expect to see a significant increase in games missed due to injury due to this. :lmao:
Not necessarily. By increasing the season by two games, you're moving closer and closer to a marathon season where teams are going to pace themselves. Teams that have the division in hand early, will rest their starters. Now they sometimes rest them the last game or two of the season. What happens when the Colts for example are 12-1? They will start resting guys much earlier. There goes your quality football.Another thing to consider about your quality football argument is when they increase the roster size, they aren't adding studs, they're adding guys who wouldn't have otherwise been on a NFL roster. These aren't quality players leading to quality football. These are bums.

Why your name is "Just Win Baby: but you're a Charger fan?
:thumbup: I really didn't like the end of last year and an 18-game schedule would make this much worse.

You would also top players pulled in games the moment the game was in hand to a much greater degree than now.

Quality would suck ten fold from current level.

 
What I hate about the NFL front office right now... is they are always trying to state "whats best for the fans" and "what the fans want"... crap.

Dont pull this political speak garbage and try to propgandize what you want to do, just freaking state your merits and your reasons and leave the lies alone.
completely agree. Also want to throw in the fact that "many" fans don't understand that the preseason is to help organizations evaluate the lesser known players to round out an NFL team. Those 4 games are to get an idea of who to keep and who doesnt cut it.

It's also a joke that NFL teams charge regular season prices on tickets. :thumbup:

 

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