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Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I believe there is more optimism for Williams than most credit him for. He was on pace for a decent 56/656 season before a head injury took him several steps back. He finally came on again in the last few games.
And as I recall, he could not report until late his rookie year because of his undergrad status and never really got the hang of things.
But I also like Jones.
And as I recall, he could not report until late his rookie year because of his undergrad status and never really got the hang of things.
But I also like Jones.
its really hard to compare reggie with likes of santana moss & steve smith... even pre-break out versions... imo reggie will never be able to get separation like those two... doesn't mean he can't be a quality player, & i in general agree with lhucks that he may be getting a bum rap given that he came out as a junior & it historically takes WRs 2-3 seasons for the light to come on in best of circumstances... it may be some have been spoiled & have unrealistic expectations with great success of boldin, clayton, fitz & roy williams in recent years... i just think there must be better comps for reggie in terms of physical traits & skill set than above two... & for the record, i thought reggie's highlights from college were very impressive... didn't look at EBFs link yet, but that is based on my recollection...
* if leftwich continues to develope, if they can cobble together strong run game with taylor/g. jones/drew & if m. jones & marcedes lewis are the real deal, that would take pressure off reggie & can only help him...
* if leftwich continues to develope, if they can cobble together strong run game with taylor/g. jones/drew & if m. jones & marcedes lewis are the real deal, that would take pressure off reggie & can only help him...
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It's not about making direct comparisons. Moss and Smith clearly have more speed, but both have durability issues and the lack of height means that they are tougher to hit in tight spaces. Every body type comes with its drawbacks and advantages.The point is that great players, and especially great WRs, don't necessarily start strong in the NFL.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Such is the case and you would think that Jones and Marcedes Lewis are or will be the primary red-zone targets in the passing offense. While nobody debates that Jones will get his share, it may take Lewis a while to put up appreciable numbers (though I think he's ready to contribute)The interesting distinction is between Reggie Williams and Wilford. Both are the same size and Williams is a bit faster- but never got the looks that wilford did in the red-zone, especially when the two were on the field at the same time towards the end of last season. The Jaguars usually run Williams on a drag route that runs him parallel to the goalline, but often a couple of yards shy. However, i dont see why they would utilize wilford over williams and neither do a lot of jaguar fans. Though a lot of it probably was due to Garrard. On several occasions, Williams was uncovered at the goalline and Garrard would try and force it into tight coverage; in fact in one game (cant remember who against) it looked like williams was doing sprints from sideline to sideline, completely unmarked, flailing his arms and ultimately never got the ball.
But you cant argue against production and as a Jag's fan, I wont be complaining if Reggie isnt in the red-zone plans. However, its the only thing keeping him from becoming a viable #2 ff reciever.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
most interstingly is the way the WR corps was built - first round receiver/first selection for the team in RWilliams in 2004, first round receiver/first selection for the team in MJones in 2005, first round TE/first selection for the team in MLewis in 2006.
Leftwich has NO excuses now. And he was on pace for a SWEET season last year before he was injured. LOW INTsand decent TD/yardage numbers, and an OC who is starting to make good on a promise to throw downfield more.
Leftwich has NO excuses now. And he was on pace for a SWEET season last year before he was injured. LOW INTsand decent TD/yardage numbers, and an OC who is starting to make good on a promise to throw downfield more.
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
not even close. Harrington NEVER put up the numbers Leftwich was producing before injury last year.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'd like to see some support for this position. Leftwich showed improvement every year in the league, and improvement to his TD:INT numbers each of the last four years, and he is heading into only his fourth year in the league.Calling him abust after the year he was on pace for last year seems not only unfounded, but downright ignorant.
understood... & your point is well taken... i agreed with some of the points lhucks has been hammering on...but when when comparisons are made, it is inevitable for some to think... if it happened for moss & smith, it could happen for williams, too... all i'm saying, is if he turns it around, it will have to be for other reasons than what has led them to breaking out... i stand by the statement that reggie will never separate as well as those guys, which would seem to be a hindrance to attaining their level of success...
don't get me wrong... i have reggie in a dynasty league & nobody would like to see him put it together more than me... but i do have tempered expectations, & would personally be shocked if he ever rises to the level of the guys you are mentioning.
one thing that would help is if he refrained from humping the goal post every time he got a two yard completion or made a downfield block, & just take care of business.
* not sure i would call smith injury prone... somebody fell on his leg & it snapped... that was more of a fluke... if you saw how the injury occurred, i think just about anybody if a defensive player player fell on them at an akward angle like, probably would have suffered same break.
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Excuses? Sorry if this sounds abrasive but Leftwich has nothing to be sorry for. At least you bother to mention that his season was going real well pre-injury as opposed to our ignorant friend above. The point of my point is that he never (last season) had any excuses; if anything, what doomed our season was poor line play and injuries to said line. We basically limped into our wild-card game with the pats, missing 2/5 line starters and of the three, one was a rookie. The line had no time to gel and we all saw the result. Leftwich also had to cope with a young set of recievers (jimmy smith aside) who led the league in drops. (among them ernest wilford, who had the highest drop/catchable ball ratio)
Its time we give this guy due credit. We're looking at a guy who's steadily improved his YPA and who has improved his TD/INT ratio every single year of play. Give him a healthy line and these recievers with a year under their belts, and we're going to be looking at an elite QB.
i made much the same case in the value play article... no QB is without flaws... leftwich's seem to be that he is SO tough he sometimes holds the ball too long, sometimes i question whether he senses the rush & has the footwork to sidestep pressure like the (otherExcuses? Sorry if this sounds abrasive but Leftwich has nothing to be sorry for. At least you bother to mention that his season was going real well pre-injury as opposed to our ignorant friend above. The point of my point is that he never (last season) had any excuses; if anything, what doomed our season was poor line play and injuries to said line. We basically limped into our wild-card game with the pats, missing 2/5 line starters and of the three, one was a rookie. The line had no time to gel and we all saw the result. Leftwich also had to cope with a young set of recievers (jimmy smith aside) who led the league in drops. (among them ernest wilford, who had the highest drop/catchable ball ratio)
Its time we give this guy due credit. We're looking at a guy who's steadily improved his YPA and who has improved his TD/INT ratio every single year of play. Give him a healthy line and these recievers with a year under their belts, and we're going to be looking at an elite QB.
) elite QBs... in conjunction with a slow developing, elongated delivery which scouts have been critical of as far as sub-optimal mechanics, that can lead to more hits... & he has broken his leg a few times dating back to marshall...does this mean he is incapable of becoming a great QB... not imo... but it would be nice to see him improve in these areas (& you were right to cite OL as a culprit)... he reportedly is leaner & is working on his foot quickness, explosiveness & getting rid of the ball sooner... it will be interesting to see if he has improved on these areas this season...* BTW... lefty was pacing for 25 combined TDs before his injury, which i'm guessing many are not aware of...
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wr1- jones
wr2- williams
wr3- wilford
i have r.williams in my dynasty and while i really like his potential. i really think that the whole JAX wr situation will be one to avoid. the ball will be spread around like they do it in NE but with out the same kind of prodution. and throw in the 2-tes (don't forget about the short man 6'3'' wrightster) in the red-zone and JAX's tendacy to run the td's will be spread around pretty good.
the more and more i think about the JAX off situation as far as individual production, the moe i think it might be best to stay away, especially in re-drafts. they have ?'s at all the main fantasy positions. I include leftys prone to injury as a ? in my book.
wr2- williams
wr3- wilford
i have r.williams in my dynasty and while i really like his potential. i really think that the whole JAX wr situation will be one to avoid. the ball will be spread around like they do it in NE but with out the same kind of prodution. and throw in the 2-tes (don't forget about the short man 6'3'' wrightster) in the red-zone and JAX's tendacy to run the td's will be spread around pretty good.
the more and more i think about the JAX off situation as far as individual production, the moe i think it might be best to stay away, especially in re-drafts. they have ?'s at all the main fantasy positions. I include leftys prone to injury as a ? in my book.
I think he's really suited to work out of the slot as an underneath receiver. He doesn't have great speed or quickness, so playing from the slot helps him get a clean release and is more likely to draw coverage from a safety (or linebacker against a zone) than a corner. He has very good hands and runs fine routes, but he's not really a deep threat on the outside.Wilford definitely has some very nice skills. It's just that they seem better suited for the slot than for a split end or flanker position.
He started on the outside beginning in week 9 last year. He was the slot receiver before that.Per Game Stats
Weeks 1-8: 2.14 rec, 37.4 yds, 0.4 TDs
Weeks 9-17: 2.88 rec, 46.5 yds, 0.4 TDs
Roughly similar stats, but he was targeted a lot more as a starter. If you look at the per-target numbers, you get:
Per 100 Targets
Weeks 1-8: 75 rec, 1310 yds, 15 TDs
Weeks 9-17: 48 rec, 776 yds, 7.4 TDs
So he was more efficient as a slot receiver.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Lightning Fast Whip
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The Associated Press reports Reggie Williams "has been almost non-existent during training camp."
Maybe because he is playing out of position for the way he runs/moves?
1 Catch in the scrimmage..while Matt Jones has been out nursing an ankle. Blinded by the hype?
Maybe because he is playing out of position for the way he runs/moves?
1 Catch in the scrimmage..while Matt Jones has been out nursing an ankle. Blinded by the hype?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Reggie Williams is a farce, always has beenErnest WilfordMatt JonesGuaranteed.The Associated Press reports Reggie Williams "has been almost non-existent during training camp."Maybe because he is playing out of position for the way he runs/moves?
duaneok66
Footballguy
bad example, remember that pathetic Garrard was primarily playing in the 2nd half . . .
Reggie Williams is a farce, always has beenErnest WilfordMatt JonesGuaranteed.The Associated Press reports Reggie Williams "has been almost non-existent during training camp."Maybe because he is playing out of position for the way he runs/moves?
anyone whe thought that wilford would be reduced to being a #3 or #4 wr despite being the team's top returning wr in every statistical catagory was fooling himself.
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TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
so who's a better value pick? matt jones or wilford? who do you guys think is the better pick without taking adp into account?
duaneok66
Footballguy
Jones has the hype, Wilford has the substance . . .Jones is banged up and being taken higher, Wilford has been excellent in camp and is going later . . .
Todem
Footballguy
Wilford showed he can get open and run crisp routes and is a very good Red Zone Target.
Wilford will lead this team in Receptions and yards as well as TD's at the WR spot in 2006.
No doubt in my mind after watching all 3 play last season.
Jones is a great raw (being the key word) talent who can develop into a stud type WR, but he has a lot to learn.
Williams is a total bust and he will prove that again this year.
Wilford will easily out perform his ADP.
Results is what I look at at. Wilford put up the numbers and made plays.
Wilford will lead this team in Receptions and yards as well as TD's at the WR spot in 2006.
No doubt in my mind after watching all 3 play last season.
Jones is a great raw (being the key word) talent who can develop into a stud type WR, but he has a lot to learn.
Williams is a total bust and he will prove that again this year.
Wilford will easily out perform his ADP.
Results is what I look at at. Wilford put up the numbers and made plays.
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TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
i've been looking at both for my wr 4 or 5 (small league). i can probably get jones in the 13th/14th and wilford in the 15th/16th. hmm...
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
Don't believe the Wilford hype.
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