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[Hackers]

Yes another ranking post... I have pretty much decided that Hardy is the defenative #1 and I am leaning towards making Avery my defenative #2... I am personally ranking based on dynasty value and opportunity as the situation he is landing being fast and has a QB that can throw far helps... Holt is getting old and speed kills... He is most likely I starter this year out of the gate... Sweed & Kelley are bigger guys that have more potential in the red zone but will that make up for the targets? Bennett is in Chicago but even though there is a dry well he is the only one there with a bucket...

Am I out of my mind ranking the WR based on what I think future potential is as follows?

Hardy
Avery
Sweed
Kelley
Bennett

 

[T Bell]

I'm not sure I'd put Earl Bennett onto that list over Devin Thomas.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes another ranking post... I have pretty much decided that Hardy is the defenative #1 and I am leaning towards making Avery my defenative #2... I am personally ranking based on dynasty value and opportunity as the situation he is landing being fast and has a QB that can throw far helps... Holt is getting old and speed kills... He is most likely I starter this year out of the gate... Sweed & Kelley are bigger guys that have more potential in the red zone but will that make up for the targets? Bennett is in Chicago but even though there is a dry well he is the only one there with a bucket...

Am I out of my mind ranking the WR based on what I think future potential is as follows?

Hardy
Avery
Sweed
Kelley
Bennett

This is right on with my thinking, i would add Thomas, Simpson and Royal after those five

 

[zadok]

Yes another ranking post... I have pretty much decided that Hardy is the defenative #1 and I am leaning towards making Avery my defenative #2... I am personally ranking based on dynasty value and opportunity as the situation he is landing being fast and has a QB that can throw far helps... Holt is getting old and speed kills... He is most likely I starter this year out of the gate... Sweed & Kelley are bigger guys that have more potential in the red zone but will that make up for the targets? Bennett is in Chicago but even though there is a dry well he is the only one there with a bucket...

Am I out of my mind ranking the WR based on what I think future potential is as follows?

Hardy
Avery
Sweed
Kelley
Bennett

Yes. I don't blame you for having Hardy #1, but Avery is nowhere near my top 5 (I am also down on Kelly). Keenan Burton will not lay down for Avery in St. Louis. I would advise you take a closer look at Devin Thomas and Desean Jackson...

 

[EBF]

I'm not too high on Avery these days. I like his speed and athletic ability, but he plays small and I question whether or not he has the toughness needed to be great WR in the NFL. Hardy is an enigma to me. I like his situation and his college production. I'm not really sure how well his game will translate to the NFL level though. He's tall, but he lacks bulk for his height and may struggle to get separation. I think he has a chance to be successful, but I haven't drafted him in any of my leagues. The guys I like most from a risk vs. reward standpoint:

Malcolm Kelly - Size, hands, and athletic ability. Already making waves in camp. Shawn Springs likes him a lot. Durability is a ?

Devin Thomas - Bigger bust risk than Kelly, but has the athletic ability to be an NFL WR1 if he puts it all together.

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a decent player. Upside may be limited.

Eddie Royal - Good athlete with underrated football skills. Looks like a natural pass catcher. Has the potential to be another Laveranues Coles.

Andre Caldwell - I think he's a legitimate candidate to eventually replace Chad or Housh. Good athlete and football player.

Adrian Arrington - My favorite deep sleeper of the class. A longshot, but has talent.

Kelly, Thomas, and Nelson are my top 3. I like the value of Royal and Caldwell as later picks with big upside. These are the guys I've been targeting in my leagues. In five drafts I've acquired Arrington 4 times, Kelly 4 times, Royal 3 times, Caldwell 2 times, Thomas 1 time, and Nelson 1 time. They're the rookie WRs I've been focusing on. I think someone like Sweed or Hardy could also be successful, but they never fall to a range where I'd feel comfortable taking them.

 

[EBF]

I almost forgot about Earl Bennett. I haven't picked him on any of my teams, but I sort of get the hunch that he might be one of the guys I unfairly overlooked like I did with Anthony Gonzalez or James Jones last year. I wouldn't fault anyone for taking him at his ADP.

 

[Hackers]

Maybe I am down on the Redskin WR because I see high ceilings but very low floors... Will Zorn be successful with these 2 guys or not... I see bust all over Thomas and maybe that is something to consider when reading the "don't over think" thread...

I do like Nelson alot but I think he is lower on the radar for most and same for Caldwell...

Not to change topics mid stream here but I guess my question is why does everyone see so much in the Redskin WRs that I don't? Thomas behind Moss... Kelley has a shot to play in the slot... Cambell is a decent QB but I don't see him spreading it out much... Am I over thinking those guys?

 

[a_troll00]

I'm not too high on Avery these days. I like his speed and athletic ability, but he plays small and I question whether or not he has the toughness needed to be great WR in the NFL. Hardy is an enigma to me. I like his situation and his college production. I'm not really sure how well his game will translate to the NFL level though. He's tall, but he lacks bulk for his height and may struggle to get separation. I think he has a chance to be successful, but I haven't drafted him in any of my leagues. The guys I like most from a risk vs. reward standpoint:

Malcolm Kelly - Size, hands, and athletic ability. Already making waves in camp. Shawn Springs likes him a lot. Durability is a ?

Devin Thomas - Bigger bust risk than Kelly, but has the athletic ability to be an NFL WR1 if he puts it all together.

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a decent player. Upside may be limited.

Eddie Royal - Good athlete with underrated football skills. Looks like a natural pass catcher. Has the potential to be another Laveranues Coles.

Andre Caldwell - I think he's a legitimate candidate to eventually replace Chad or Housh. Good athlete and football player.

Adrian Arrington - My favorite deep sleeper of the class. A longshot, but has talent.

Kelly, Thomas, and Nelson are my top 3. I like the value of Royal and Caldwell as later picks with big upside. These are the guys I've been targeting in my leagues. In five drafts I've acquired Arrington 4 times, Kelly 4 times, Royal 3 times, Caldwell 2 times, Thomas 1 time, and Nelson 1 time. They're the rookie WRs I've been focusing on. I think someone like Sweed or Hardy could also be successful, but they never fall to a range where I'd feel comfortable taking them.

Over the weekend, the Denver media has pretty much said that Royal has been putting on a show - with his receiving skills. If Marshall misses significant time, it could give Royal an opportunity to get established early.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a

Actually he was the 3rd WR drafted, behind Avery and Thomas. Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

 

[EBF]

Not to change topics mid stream here but I guess my question is why does everyone see so much in the Redskin WRs that I don't? Thomas behind Moss... Kelley has a shot to play in the slot... Cambell is a decent QB but I don't see him spreading it out much... Am I over thinking those guys?

Randle El is a below average starting WR and Santana Moss is better suited to the WR2 spot. So I actually think the situation in Washington is good. There's a starting job up for grabs as soon as 2008 or 2009. Situation is only one consideration though. You also have to look at talent. Personally, I think Kelly and Thomas are two of the most promising WRs in the class independent of their situation. Kelly is a natural WR with all the skills needed to be pretty successful. Thomas probably has the best combination of size and athletic ability out of any of this year's top WR prospects.

 

[Hackers]

Over the weekend, the Denver media has pretty much said that Royal has been putting on a show - with his receiving skills. If Marshall misses significant time, it could give Royal an opportunity to get established early.

I really have a hard time beliving ANY wideout in Denver other than the primary will get the # of targets... Maybe I am bitter for have the "other guy" in Denver for years int he past but it seems like there is 1 wideout that gets the targets an the others are blocking for their RBs and..sure... they get a bone every once in a while but nothing consistant... I was wrong about Marshal so I guess I can swallow this but bottom line I avoid everything in Denver from a fantasy prespective as long as they swap out so much during the throws of the season... Only thing you can trust is SOMEONE in that offense does well but I really don't have a crystal ball to tell you who that is season in and season out... Dynasty wise they are the worst to select...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have Thomas as the #1 dynasty WR by default just because of the situation he's in. He's the only one that has both the skills and the opening to fill the #1 WR position for a team.

Look at the situations that each guy's in:

Avery - Picked to take over the role of Holt, IMO, but isn't the athlete that Holt is.

Nelson - I would rank him the #2 in a PPR. But I see him as a Welker type but not a #1 guy, especially in Green Bay.

Hardy - He's going to be the #2 to Lee Evans. The only way that he moves to the #1 is if Lee doesn't re-up with Buffalo, which is possible since this is the last year of his contract.

Royal - Similar to Avery and will be the #2 to Marshall (at best) as long as Brandon doesn't fight any more television sets.

Simpson - Will only move up if Johnson moves on. I think Caldwell was the better pick for them anyway.

DeSean Jackson - Too small to be a #1. He's not Steve Smith.

Kelly - Fear the knees.

Sweed - I don't get the love. He'll be behind (in terms of pecking order for opportunities) Ward & Holmes for at least the next couple years. And then one has to wonder if he's going to be the #1 option or will it be Holmes?

Bennett - Counting on a Bears receiver to do anything is a dicey proposition. I like Bennett but not the situation.

Doucet - A sneaky dynasty play. If Boldin doesn't re-sign, he may move to the #2 spot as early (no pun intended) as next year.

Hawkins - Nice player. Bad situation.

Burton - Another sneaky play. Might be a better option than Bennett even this year.

So anyway, none of those guys are in a real good situation. Put a gun to my head and I'd say that the #2 WR in a PPR league is Jordy Nelson and non-PPR is Hardy.

 

[EBF]

Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

Good players create opportunities and bad players squander them. The number of elite top 30 NFL WR talents whose careers have stalled due to a lack of opportunity is relatively low. So I'm not worried about the situation. If Nelson is good then he'll eventually get a chance to make plays. If he's not good then he won't. The fact that he was a high pick by an organization with a great recent track record of drafting WRs means I like his odds. That said, Driver and Jones are not insurmountable objects IMO. Driver is old and we still don't really know how good James Jones is. Nelson could be starting in 2009.

 

[T Bell]

Maybe I am down on the Redskin WR because I see high ceilings but very low floors... Will Zorn be successful with these 2 guys or not... I see bust all over Thomas and maybe that is something to consider when reading the "don't over think" thread...I do like Nelson alot but I think he is lower on the radar for most and same for Caldwell... Not to change topics mid stream here but I guess my question is why does everyone see so much in the Redskin WRs that I don't? Thomas behind Moss... Kelley has a shot to play in the slot... Cambell is a decent QB but I don't see him spreading it out much... Am I over thinking those guys?

I'm admittedly a 'Skins homer, but I'm high on the new offense and it sounds like Campbell is responding very well to it. I don't know how Zorn will be as a head coach, but so far he's looking good as a QB coach and O-coordinator. As far as 2008 goes, Thomas has the best chance to start opposite Moss. Kelly is seen more as a slot WR at this point, to be put in as a 3rd WR in certain packages. Of the two, Kelly has looked better in practice and impressed people more with his grasp of the offense, but it's still very early in that regard. Also, both guys missed practice time this past week with hamstring injuries, with Thomas' injuries being the more severe of the two that figures to keep him out of practice for another entire week at least; Kelly should return to practice soon. Longer term, Thomas has the higher upside as has been said, as it's hoped he can develop into another WR in the Anquan Boldin mold. Kelly's athleticism and speed were underestimated to a degree by his pre-draft workout problems, but looking at his college video makes him look to me like a WR in the Art Monk or Michael Irvin mold, who could be a force in the red zone. If both of these guys start to really grasp the offense this year, then I'm going to start wondering about Moss' days with the team being numbered, or at least with losing his role as a starter, with Thomas and Kelly being the two starters there. We'll see. Also, don't sleep on Fred Davis. I know he's not a WR, but he's already emerging as a skilled pass catcher at TE opposite Cooley. I think this team is going to run a lot of 2-TE sets given its versatility and ability to disguise whether the play is a run or pass, and this will obviously affect which WR's are on the field. This represents one of the "problems" for fantasy players picking Thomas or Kelly - there are other fantasy players who will be competing for the same catches on this team. Longer term this figures to iron itself out, but we're left to guess at exactly how that will happen.

 

[Interseptopus]

Other: Jordy Nelson

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a

Actually he was the 3rd WR drafted, behind Avery and Thomas. Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

I could absolutely see him jumping over Jones. Jones jumped out of the gate quickly but really tailed off the second half of the year.And since we're talking dynasty, the question has to be asked - How much longer will Driver play?

 

[T Bell]

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a

Actually he was the 3rd WR drafted, behind Avery and Thomas. Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

I could absolutely see him jumping over Jones. Jones jumped out of the gate quickly but really tailed off the second half of the year.And since we're talking dynasty, the question has to be asked - How much longer will Driver play?

I'm another one who doesn't like the number of guys Nelson will have to compete with to get catches in Green Bay. I also think that people are too easily underestimating the effect of Brett Favre's departure on that passing game and the team's offensive play-calling. People seem to be using the offense's 2007 numbers as a baseline for future performance, and I'm not convinced that that can be justified even if Favre returned to the team as the starter.

 

[zadok]

Sweed - I don't get the love. He'll be behind (in terms of pecking order for opportunities) Ward & Holmes for at least the next couple years. And then one has to wonder if he's going to be the #1 option or will it be Holmes?

I love Ward, but he's 32 and coming off knee surgery. His time is short, IMHO. Even if Sweed ends up playing 2nd fiddle to Holmes, he is the big red zone target Big Ben wanted.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sweed - I don't get the love. He'll be behind (in terms of pecking order for opportunities) Ward & Holmes for at least the next couple years. And then one has to wonder if he's going to be the #1 option or will it be Holmes?

I love Ward, but he's 32 and coming off knee surgery. His time is short, IMHO. Even if Sweed ends up playing 2nd fiddle to Holmes, he is the big red zone target Big Ben wanted.

Fair enough. I guess I'm seeing too much attention paid to Sweed in redrafts and I'm carrying it over to this conversation. I think a pairing of Sweed and Holmes could be exciting for the Steelers in the coming years. That offense is really starting to look lethal.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a

Actually he was the 3rd WR drafted, behind Avery and Thomas. Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

I could absolutely see him jumping over Jones. Jones jumped out of the gate quickly but really tailed off the second half of the year.And since we're talking dynasty, the question has to be asked - How much longer will Driver play?

I'm another one who doesn't like the number of guys Nelson will have to compete with to get catches in Green Bay. I also think that people are too easily underestimating the effect of Brett Favre's departure on that passing game and the team's offensive play-calling. People seem to be using the offense's 2007 numbers as a baseline for future performance, and I'm not convinced that that can be justified even if Favre returned to the team as the starter.

I guess I'm just tipping my hand that I like Aaron Rodgers' chances in that offense.

 

[Hackers]

Sorry... I am just not seeing Nelson as the #2 Rookie WR in this draft... I like him alot as well but #2? no way...

 

[EBF]

I'm not too high on Avery these days. I like his speed and athletic ability, but he plays small and I question whether or not he has the toughness needed to be great WR in the NFL. Hardy is an enigma to me. I like his situation and his college production. I'm not really sure how well his game will translate to the NFL level though. He's tall, but he lacks bulk for his height and may struggle to get separation. I think he has a chance to be successful, but I haven't drafted him in any of my leagues. The guys I like most from a risk vs. reward standpoint:

Malcolm Kelly - Size, hands, and athletic ability. Already making waves in camp. Shawn Springs likes him a lot. Durability is a ?

Devin Thomas - Bigger bust risk than Kelly, but has the athletic ability to be an NFL WR1 if he puts it all together.

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a decent player. Upside may be limited.

Eddie Royal - Good athlete with underrated football skills. Looks like a natural pass catcher. Has the potential to be another Laveranues Coles.

Andre Caldwell - I think he's a legitimate candidate to eventually replace Chad or Housh. Good athlete and football player.

Adrian Arrington - My favorite deep sleeper of the class. A longshot, but has talent.

Kelly, Thomas, and Nelson are my top 3. I like the value of Royal and Caldwell as later picks with big upside. These are the guys I've been targeting in my leagues. In five drafts I've acquired Arrington 4 times, Kelly 4 times, Royal 3 times, Caldwell 2 times, Thomas 1 time, and Nelson 1 time. They're the rookie WRs I've been focusing on. I think someone like Sweed or Hardy could also be successful, but they never fall to a range where I'd feel comfortable taking them.

Over the weekend, the Denver media has pretty much said that Royal has been putting on a show - with his receiving skills. If Marshall misses significant time, it could give Royal an opportunity to get established early.

Royal is a guy that I keyed on very early in the pre-draft process. I was high on him months before he became a well known prospect. I eventually followed the herd and cooled on him a little bit, but my enthusiasm returned pretty quickly and I was able to scoop him late in several of my leagues. I think he's being overlooked because he didn't have great college stats and because everyone thinks he's only a return man.Personally, I'm not worried about the low stats. College coaches don't always do a great job of evaluating and utilizing their talent. I would chalk Royal's modest production up to misuse rather than a lack of talent.

There's no doubt that his return skills boosted his draft stock, but that doesn't mean he can't be a successful WR. It's relatively rare for a pure return specialist to go in the 2nd round. The fact that Royal went that high tells me the Broncos probably believe he can be more than just a punt returner. Shanahan has even gone on record as saying Royal was the best WR prospect in his draft class at beating press coverage.

Royal also scores fairly high on the eyeball test. He's explosive and quick. He's capable of making circus catches. He put up freakish numbers at the combine. There's a lot to like. People will compare him to Steve Smith because of his speed and diminutive size, but he doesn't play with Smith's power. I think he's a lot closer to Laveranues Coles. Coles was another unheralded top 100 draft pick who emerged in the NFL after a modest college career. He probably represents a best case scenario for Royal.

 

[T Bell]

Jordy Nelson - Second WR drafted. Comes with the Ted Thompson seal of approval. Seems like a safe bet to become a

Actually he was the 3rd WR drafted, behind Avery and Thomas. Either way though, do you think Nelson is talented enough to overcome being the 4th WR on the Packers depth chart? I dont see him being good enough to leapfrog Driver, Jennings or JJones in the near future.

I could absolutely see him jumping over Jones. Jones jumped out of the gate quickly but really tailed off the second half of the year.And since we're talking dynasty, the question has to be asked - How much longer will Driver play?

I'm another one who doesn't like the number of guys Nelson will have to compete with to get catches in Green Bay. I also think that people are too easily underestimating the effect of Brett Favre's departure on that passing game and the team's offensive play-calling. People seem to be using the offense's 2007 numbers as a baseline for future performance, and I'm not convinced that that can be justified even if Favre returned to the team as the starter.

I guess I'm just tipping my hand that I like Aaron Rodgers' chances in that offense.

Fair enough. I don't pretend to have the ability to definitively declare that Rodgers will succeed or fail from a fantasy standpoint. You may well be right. I just think that that consideration needs to be at the forefront of evaluations of the Packers receiving game going forward.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So the answer that's emerging is...

"Who knows?"

Pick the guy you like and want to follow. He has as much chance as the next guy at putting up numbers.

 

[Hackers]

So the answer that's emerging is..."Who knows?" Pick the guy you like and want to follow. He has as much chance as the next guy at putting up numbers.

There really wouldn't be a point to this site, research, nor its forums if we all "knew" would there...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So the answer that's emerging is..."Who knows?" Pick the guy you like and want to follow. He has as much chance as the next guy at putting up numbers.

There really wouldn't be a point to this site, research, nor its forums if we all "knew" would there...

Well some things are easier to tell than others. Rookie receivers are notoriously the most difficult player position to forecast in fantasy football. It's even moreso this year where nobody particularly stands out from either a skills or opportunity standpoint.

 

[PahtyTom]

Kelly is #1 and Caldwell is #2 on my list for this year

 

[T Bell]

So the answer that's emerging is..."Who knows?" Pick the guy you like and want to follow. He has as much chance as the next guy at putting up numbers.

There really wouldn't be a point to this site, research, nor its forums if we all "knew" would there...

Well some things are easier to tell than others. Rookie receivers are notoriously the most difficult player position to forecast in fantasy football. It's even moreso this year where nobody particularly stands out from either a skills or opportunity standpoint.

This is probably the right answer. This year could emerge as "the year of the WR" with 6-8 guys becoming impact players, or it could be a completely forgettable year with only one or two guys becoming an occasional WR2 or WR3 in fantasy. We're all just doing the best we can to interpret a situation with a huge number of variables. It is pretty fascinating that I don't feel any closer to making sense of this WR class than I was back in January and February when we first started discussing it.

 

[tombonneau]

I would agree with Avery if you were ranking the #2 rookie WR on the Rams.

 

[Burning Sensation]

A guy that nobody has mentioned is Dexter Jackson. With no real #2 WR in TB, and Galloway closer to forty than thirty, there is plenty of opportunity for him soon. He is even more valuable if your league uses return yardage. He was drated in the 2nd round of the NFL draft and has been consistently going in the 4th round of rookie drafts, making him one of the better values for rookie WR's.

 

[Hackers]

How big of a deal does everyone think about Thomas missing time? Does this open Kelley to pass him on progression and make him the better of the 2 skin WR? I already had Kelley ranked pretty well but it seems from what I am reading that he should be #2 instead of other options...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

How big of a deal does everyone think about Thomas missing time? Does this open Kelley to pass him on progression and make him the better of the 2 skin WR? I already had Kelley ranked pretty well but it seems from what I am reading that he should be #2 instead of other options...

I thought Kelly had a better chance to put up better numbers this year anyway given the role he's filling. This doesn't help Thomas that's for sure.IIRC, Braylon Edwards also had a bad hammy his rookie year.Anyone?

 

[T Bell]

How big of a deal does everyone think about Thomas missing time? Does this open Kelley to pass him on progression and make him the better of the 2 skin WR? I already had Kelley ranked pretty well but it seems from what I am reading that he should be #2 instead of other options...

I thought Kelly had a better chance to put up better numbers this year anyway given the role he's filling. This doesn't help Thomas that's for sure.IIRC, Braylon Edwards also had a bad hammy his rookie year.Anyone?

Agreed. Missing time during the early preseason games is not good news for a rookie hoping to get up to speed quickly and contribute. I thought Kelly would have a better fantasy year in 2008 just because he's a big red zone target, but neither was going to light the world in fire this year regardless.

 

[moderated]

I agree Hardy is the #1, but after that it's a crapshoot between 2-10ish.

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

 

[EBF]

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

He's a lot closer to someone like Keyshawn than he is to Mike Williams. He was doing very well in camp before tweaking his hamstring.

 

[moderated]

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

He's a lot closer to someone like Keyshawn than he is to Mike Williams. He was doing very well in camp before tweaking his hamstring.

Time will tell, but i disagree with you on the comparisons. Big/Slow/Bad Knees/Bad Attitude. I'd mostly compare him to Jarrett, but with more injury concerns and less talent.Keyshawn was a top draft pick, he was in a different league then Kelly coming out.Kelly is a message board hero due to his youtube clips. In watching whole games this past year Iglesias was better then him overall. if the inept FO of Washington wouldn't have grabbed him i doubt he woulda gone on the first day of the draft.

 

[EBF]

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

He's a lot closer to someone like Keyshawn than he is to Mike Williams. He was doing very well in camp before tweaking his hamstring.

Time will tell, but i disagree with you on the comparisons. Big/Slow/Bad Knees/Bad Attitude. I'd mostly compare him to Jarrett, but with more injury concerns and less talent.Keyshawn was a top draft pick, he was in a different league then Kelly coming out.Kelly is a message board hero due to his youtube clips. In watching whole games this past year Iglesias was better then him overall. if the inept FO of Washington wouldn't have grabbed him i doubt he woulda gone on the first day of the draft.

We'll have to wait and see. I don't think your take is the least bit accurate, but I can't necessarily prove otherwise at this point in time.

 

[moderated]

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

He's a lot closer to someone like Keyshawn than he is to Mike Williams. He was doing very well in camp before tweaking his hamstring.

Time will tell, but i disagree with you on the comparisons. Big/Slow/Bad Knees/Bad Attitude. I'd mostly compare him to Jarrett, but with more injury concerns and less talent.Keyshawn was a top draft pick, he was in a different league then Kelly coming out.Kelly is a message board hero due to his youtube clips. In watching whole games this past year Iglesias was better then him overall. if the inept FO of Washington wouldn't have grabbed him i doubt he woulda gone on the first day of the draft.

We'll have to wait and see. I don't think your take is the least bit accurate, but I can't necessarily prove otherwise at this point in time.

Usually i agree with your evaluations on players, but in this instance i really think your blinded by his youtube highlights. IMO he's a solid college WR who will have major problems adjusting to the NFL game.On another note i do agree with your takes on Jordy Nelson. He's be right with Devin Thomas for the 2-3 spots if i were to rank.

 

[PahtyTom]

I agree Hardy is the #1, but after that it's a crapshoot between 2-10ish.Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

Kelly and Jarrett are 6 ft 4 219 lbs. Williams is 6 ft 5 242 lbs. So a Williams comparison to either is ridiculous. And, the problem with Jarrett is not his body or his speed(or lackthereof). It's more about his football IQ and being a route technician. Kelly is the best route runner of this NFL draft class, so I don't think a Jarrett comparison holds much water either to be honest. Plus, I think Kelly is a perfect fit for Zorn's West Coast offense.

 

[PahtyTom]

Malcolm Kelly will be a huge bust IMO. Big, slow WR's like him/Jarrett/mike williams just don't do well in the NFL. Plus his knees are shot.

He's a lot closer to someone like Keyshawn than he is to Mike Williams. He was doing very well in camp before tweaking his hamstring.

Time will tell, but i disagree with you on the comparisons. Big/Slow/Bad Knees/Bad Attitude. I'd mostly compare him to Jarrett, but with more injury concerns and less talent.Keyshawn was a top draft pick, he was in a different league then Kelly coming out.Kelly is a message board hero due to his youtube clips. In watching whole games this past year Iglesias was better then him overall. if the inept FO of Washington wouldn't have grabbed him i doubt he woulda gone on the first day of the draft.

We'll have to wait and see. I don't think your take is the least bit accurate, but I can't necessarily prove otherwise at this point in time.

Usually i agree with your evaluations on players, but in this instance i really think your blinded by his youtube highlights. IMO he's a solid college WR who will have major problems adjusting to the NFL game.On another note i do agree with your takes on Jordy Nelson. He's be right with Devin Thomas for the 2-3 spots if i were to rank.

Nelson is buried on the depth chart right now, but I agree with you guys and really like him. I think eventually he is starting WR material opposite Jennings once Driver moves on. And James Jones stays as a #3 WR.

 

[Ace Matherton]

Yes another ranking post... I have pretty much decided that Hardy is the defenative #1 and I am leaning towards making Avery my defenative #2... I am personally ranking based on dynasty value and opportunity as the situation he is landing being fast and has a QB that can throw far helps... Holt is getting old and speed kills... He is most likely I starter this year out of the gate...

Let me get this straight Avery is your Number 2 because of situation and Bulger being able to throw far? The same Bulger who's arm strength is always in question, and hurt? Holt will only be the starter one more year yet he is 3 years younger than the departed Bruce who held the starters role til 35? I think you may want to rethink the theory of your strategy. I'm not saying Avery isnt #2 but he's being talked about already being behind Burton on the depth chart cause of his inconsistancy. I'd want a lot more evidence than his Qb can throw far and at the moment he could be a starter by year 2. he's not going to beat out Bennett out of the gate.

 

[doubletrouble]

I just don't see how D Tomas is ranked #1 in this class?

against top compo last year Michigan, 7 catches for 65 yds, Ohio State 4 catches for 77 yds, Boston College 4 catches for 34 yds.

These numbers don't excite me and that's why I guess he dropped so far down and went into the 2nd round....

 

[kremenull]

It's funny how a lot of people are tooting Burton's horn now when just a few months ago (around draft time) nobody was mentioning his name at all. Fickle nature of fantasy owners reacting (to some good camp news) instead of recognizing talent from the beginning. I wonder how many of you guys actually targeted this guy in any drafts. I targeted him at least 4 very early drafts thus far (2 startups and 2 rookie drafts), and landed him in both rookie drafts but no the startups.

Avery will be a bust, what a big reach by the Rams with that pick. Luckily for them, they got Burton at a bargain who will be terrific. They should have selected D.Thomas or DeSean Jack, and Burton......

 

[zadok]

It's funny how a lot of people are tooting Burton's horn now when just a few months ago (around draft time) nobody was mentioning his name at all. Fickle nature of fantasy owners reacting (to some good camp news) instead of recognizing talent from the beginning. I wonder how many of you guys actually targeted this guy in any drafts. I targeted him at least 4 very early drafts thus far (2 startups and 2 rookie drafts), and landed him in both rookie drafts but no the startups.

On April 14, I posted that I liked Burton better than Avery (2 spots separating them and it would have been more if Avery didn't have return skills). I drafted Burton in 1 of 2 rookie drafts I have had since then. That good enough for you?

 

[Burning Sensation]

It's funny how a lot of people are tooting Burton's horn now when just a few months ago (around draft time) nobody was mentioning his name at all. Fickle nature of fantasy owners reacting (to some good camp news) instead of recognizing talent from the beginning. I wonder how many of you guys actually targeted this guy in any drafts. I targeted him at least 4 very early drafts thus far (2 startups and 2 rookie drafts), and landed him in both rookie drafts but no the startups.

You are so AWESOME!!!!

 

[kellumsboys]

not one mention of Jerome Simpson - Cincy

I guess he is a real deep sleeper.

 

[jeter23]

It's funny how a lot of people are tooting Burton's horn now when just a few months ago (around draft time) nobody was mentioning his name at all. Fickle nature of fantasy owners reacting (to some good camp news) instead of recognizing talent from the beginning. I wonder how many of you guys actually targeted this guy in any drafts. I targeted him at least 4 very early drafts thus far (2 startups and 2 rookie drafts), and landed him in both rookie drafts but no the startups.Avery will be a bust, what a big reach by the Rams with that pick. Luckily for them, they got Burton at a bargain who will be terrific. They should have selected D.Thomas or DeSean Jack, and Burton......

I drafted him in 6 rookie drafts and 2 start ups...

 

[Burning Sensation]

not one mention of Jerome Simpson - CincyI guess he is a real deep sleeper.

See post #3.

 

[awesomeness]

I'm one of the biggest Hardy fans there is, but i still got him as the #2 WR behind Devin Thomas. Devin Thomas has everything you look for in a WR, and the fact that he is good at breaking tackles seals the deal as the #1 WR imo.

 

[T Bell]

It's funny how a lot of people are tooting Burton's horn now when just a few months ago (around draft time) nobody was mentioning his name at all. Fickle nature of fantasy owners reacting (to some good camp news) instead of recognizing talent from the beginning. I wonder how many of you guys actually targeted this guy in any drafts. I targeted him at least 4 very early drafts thus far (2 startups and 2 rookie drafts), and landed him in both rookie drafts but no the startups.

You are so AWESOME!!!!

Pretty rare when we get a more masturbatory post even around here. That made Power Monster look like Job.