20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (1 Viewer)

[pantagrapher]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

 

[Eephus]

Fantasy baseball accounts I follow on twitter were pretty much unanimously outraged at MLB for this. A lot of sportswriters seemed to take a more disinterested approach. I usually feel like the reaction to stuff like this is exactly the opposite, with beat writers quick to echo whatever their team sources want the narrative to be and fantasy writers taking a more detached, realistic view.

I'm surprised anyone would act shocked and outraged that MLB would suspend dozens of top MLB players for using PEDs based on their doctor's testimony and notes. I also don't understand why people think the guy is lying about providing these players with steroids. Not much incentive to do that; plenty of disincentive.

What exactly is his disincentive to lie in this case? He tells MLB what they want to hear, he gets a lawsuit dismissed, gets financially protected by MLB, and he's provided with assurances that he won't be prosecuted.

Assuming this is a standard agreement, if any of his allegations prove false, the whole deal is null. And then he's opening himself up to a whole slew of lawsuits. I assume this guy has a lawyer. Probably a pretty good one. And I suspect a good lawyer would tell him that if he makes this deal, he better tell the truth.

First off, its not that his allegations are false, its that he lied. A much tougher standard to meet. And people with their backs against the wall do stupid things all the time.

What are you going to do when it turns out to be true? Because the smart money is on players being users.

Life will go on. The games will still be played and people will still watch. Some players will take the fall and some fans and media members will pontificate about it but baseball is eternal.

 

[sho nuff]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

Exactly...I have no reason to really think Cabrera is on it...but at this point, nothing would surprise me about any player in MLB anymore.

 

[pollardsvision]

Maybe PED's are rampant in the NFL, but I'd guarantee most fans think they have a better handle on it than MLB does.

I do not believe you can deliver on that guarantee.

No I can't.

But if you ask sports fans which sport they associate with steroids/PEDs, I have no doubt more would say MLB than the NFL.

Now, if you have a lengthier conversation and put some thought in, I'm sure a good number would eventually say they think there are more PED users in the NFL.

But that would take a minute because people really just don't think about PEDs and the NFL. That's what happens when the league doesn't participate in witch hunts for their own players.

 

[NCCommish]

Fantasy baseball accounts I follow on twitter were pretty much unanimously outraged at MLB for this. A lot of sportswriters seemed to take a more disinterested approach. I usually feel like the reaction to stuff like this is exactly the opposite, with beat writers quick to echo whatever their team sources want the narrative to be and fantasy writers taking a more detached, realistic view.

I'm surprised anyone would act shocked and outraged that MLB would suspend dozens of top MLB players for using PEDs based on their doctor's testimony and notes. I also don't understand why people think the guy is lying about providing these players with steroids. Not much incentive to do that; plenty of disincentive.

What exactly is his disincentive to lie in this case? He tells MLB what they want to hear, he gets a lawsuit dismissed, gets financially protected by MLB, and he's provided with assurances that he won't be prosecuted.

Assuming this is a standard agreement, if any of his allegations prove false, the whole deal is null. And then he's opening himself up to a whole slew of lawsuits. I assume this guy has a lawyer. Probably a pretty good one. And I suspect a good lawyer would tell him that if he makes this deal, he better tell the truth.

First off, its not that his allegations are false, its that he lied. A much tougher standard to meet. And people with their backs against the wall do stupid things all the time.

What are you going to do when it turns out to be true? Because the smart money is on players being users.

Life will go on. The games will still be played and people will still watch. Some players will take the fall and some fans and media members will pontificate about it but baseball is eternal.

Yes life will go on but nothing is eternal. Nothing is guaranteed by the universe except change.

 

[Eephus]

Fantasy baseball accounts I follow on twitter were pretty much unanimously outraged at MLB for this. A lot of sportswriters seemed to take a more disinterested approach. I usually feel like the reaction to stuff like this is exactly the opposite, with beat writers quick to echo whatever their team sources want the narrative to be and fantasy writers taking a more detached, realistic view.

I'm surprised anyone would act shocked and outraged that MLB would suspend dozens of top MLB players for using PEDs based on their doctor's testimony and notes. I also don't understand why people think the guy is lying about providing these players with steroids. Not much incentive to do that; plenty of disincentive.

What exactly is his disincentive to lie in this case? He tells MLB what they want to hear, he gets a lawsuit dismissed, gets financially protected by MLB, and he's provided with assurances that he won't be prosecuted.

Assuming this is a standard agreement, if any of his allegations prove false, the whole deal is null. And then he's opening himself up to a whole slew of lawsuits. I assume this guy has a lawyer. Probably a pretty good one. And I suspect a good lawyer would tell him that if he makes this deal, he better tell the truth.

First off, its not that his allegations are false, its that he lied. A much tougher standard to meet. And people with their backs against the wall do stupid things all the time.

What are you going to do when it turns out to be true? Because the smart money is on players being users.

Life will go on. The games will still be played and people will still watch. Some players will take the fall and some fans and media members will pontificate about it but baseball is eternal.

Yes life will go on but nothing is eternal. Nothing is guaranteed by the universe except change.

Take entropy and the points

 

[NCCommish]

Fantasy baseball accounts I follow on twitter were pretty much unanimously outraged at MLB for this. A lot of sportswriters seemed to take a more disinterested approach. I usually feel like the reaction to stuff like this is exactly the opposite, with beat writers quick to echo whatever their team sources want the narrative to be and fantasy writers taking a more detached, realistic view.

I'm surprised anyone would act shocked and outraged that MLB would suspend dozens of top MLB players for using PEDs based on their doctor's testimony and notes. I also don't understand why people think the guy is lying about providing these players with steroids. Not much incentive to do that; plenty of disincentive.

What exactly is his disincentive to lie in this case? He tells MLB what they want to hear, he gets a lawsuit dismissed, gets financially protected by MLB, and he's provided with assurances that he won't be prosecuted.

Assuming this is a standard agreement, if any of his allegations prove false, the whole deal is null. And then he's opening himself up to a whole slew of lawsuits. I assume this guy has a lawyer. Probably a pretty good one. And I suspect a good lawyer would tell him that if he makes this deal, he better tell the truth.

First off, its not that his allegations are false, its that he lied. A much tougher standard to meet. And people with their backs against the wall do stupid things all the time.

What are you going to do when it turns out to be true? Because the smart money is on players being users.

Life will go on. The games will still be played and people will still watch. Some players will take the fall and some fans and media members will pontificate about it but baseball is eternal.

Yes life will go on but nothing is eternal. Nothing is guaranteed by the universe except change.

Take entropy and the points

Good bet.

 

[pittstownkiller]

The fact is that none of these players failed a test, they are connected to this doctor by reports; I can make the assumption then that the doctor is using a substance that cannot be detected. If there are PEDs that are undetectable (there are), no one is above reproach. I hope they are all clean, I really do, but I do not believe that is true and I think that it is a very big problem. To look at someone like Cabrera, as DD does, is fair since he has always hit but to watch someone put up historic numbers in this era, when they are hitting off of pitchers that are surely using PEDs, raises an eyebrow.

 

[Eephus]

The fact is that none of these players failed a test, they are connected to this doctor by reports; I can make the assumption then that the doctor is using a substance that cannot be detected. If there are PEDs that are undetectable (there are), no one is above reproach. I hope they are all clean, I really do, but I do not believe that is true and I think that it is a very big problem. To look at someone like Cabrera, as DD does, is fair since he has always hit but to watch someone put up historic numbers in this era, when they are hitting off of pitchers that are surely using PEDs, raises an eyebrow.

Colon, Melky and Grandal failed tests

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Who cares? Let them roid up, get pregnant, whatever. The sanctity of the game, or whatever it is that gets everyone's panties in bunch, flew the coop years ago.

 

[Abraham]

So did Braun.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I'm just happy there aren't any Cardinals on the list. That and I'm pretty sure I'll be kicking ### in Zooks HR pool.

 

[pittstownkiller]

The fact is that none of these players failed a test, they are connected to this doctor by reports; I can make the assumption then that the doctor is using a substance that cannot be detected. If there are PEDs that are undetectable (there are), no one is above reproach. I hope they are all clean, I really do, but I do not believe that is true and I think that it is a very big problem. To look at someone like Cabrera, as DD does, is fair since he has always hit but to watch someone put up historic numbers in this era, when they are hitting off of pitchers that are surely using PEDs, raises an eyebrow.

Colon, Melky and Grandal failed tests

Have they even been linked to this Doctor or are they just from the Miami area?

 

[pittstownkiller]

So did Braun.

The theory would be that Braun went to this doctor because he failed a test.

 

[Eephus]

The fact is that none of these players failed a test, they are connected to this doctor by reports; I can make the assumption then that the doctor is using a substance that cannot be detected. If there are PEDs that are undetectable (there are), no one is above reproach. I hope they are all clean, I really do, but I do not believe that is true and I think that it is a very big problem. To look at someone like Cabrera, as DD does, is fair since he has always hit but to watch someone put up historic numbers in this era, when they are hitting off of pitchers that are surely using PEDs, raises an eyebrow.

Colon, Melky and Grandal failed tests

Have they even been linked to this Doctor or are they just from the Miami area?

They were named in the ESPN article, which raises the question whether they can receive another suspension for being associated with Bosch

 

[Todem]

Cabrera is not on that list. Just a guess. Absolute natural great all time hitter.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

That's pretty racist, I know several black folk who can swim.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

Funny you bring up petty childishness...given your first response to me in this topic...then your second.

And since you mention :e:...again, talk about petty childishness...seems you are far more guilty of that here and there than most.

I rest my case.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I think I'm a reasonable baseball fan and I assume most of the marquee players use steroids to some extent. Including Cabrera.

Do you think all black people can't swim?

Good posting.

Careful, he's a Tiger fan in denial.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

But, he's SEEN him play since he was 19. Don't you get it?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Fantasy baseball accounts I follow on twitter were pretty much unanimously outraged at MLB for this. A lot of sportswriters seemed to take a more disinterested approach. I usually feel like the reaction to stuff like this is exactly the opposite, with beat writers quick to echo whatever their team sources want the narrative to be and fantasy writers taking a more detached, realistic view.

I'm surprised anyone would act shocked and outraged that MLB would suspend dozens of top MLB players for using PEDs based on their doctor's testimony and notes. I also don't understand why people think the guy is lying about providing these players with steroids. Not much incentive to do that; plenty of disincentive.

What exactly is his disincentive to lie in this case? He tells MLB what they want to hear, he gets a lawsuit dismissed, gets financially protected by MLB, and he's provided with assurances that he won't be prosecuted.

Assuming this is a standard agreement, if any of his allegations prove false, the whole deal is null. And then he's opening himself up to a whole slew of lawsuits. I assume this guy has a lawyer. Probably a pretty good one. And I suspect a good lawyer would tell him that if he makes this deal, he better tell the truth.

First off, its not that his allegations are false, its that he lied. A much tougher standard to meet. And people with their backs against the wall do stupid things all the time.

What are you going to do when it turns out to be true? Because the smart money is on players being users.

Life will go on. The games will still be played and people will still watch. Some players will take the fall and some fans and media members will pontificate about it but baseball is eternal.

 

[Dickies]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

Exactly...I have no reason to really think Cabrera is on it...but at this point, nothing would surprise me about any player in MLB anymore.

This is pretty much how I feel about all MLB players. I have no idea who does and doesn't use steroids, but nobody would surprise me.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think I'm a reasonable baseball fan and I assume most of the marquee players use steroids to some extent. Including Cabrera.

Do you think all black people can't swim?

Good posting.

Careful, he's a Tiger fan in denial.

If everyone wants to see where the amazing Mr Pack stands on this stuff, check this thread. Some major self-ownage in there.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I think I'm a reasonable baseball fan and I assume most of the marquee players use steroids to some extent. Including Cabrera.

Do you think all black people can't swim?

Good posting.

Careful, he's a Tiger fan in denial.

If everyone wants to see where the amazing Mr Pack stands on this stuff, check this thread. Some major self-ownage in there.

Awesome response. I stated pretty much the same things about Braun in there that you have here about Cabrera, so you're right, you did get owned.

Keep trying though, this is fun.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Basically banned substances should be anything the is prescribed or illegal. When McGuire and others were accused of juicing they were citing stuff you and I could buy off the shelf at GNC, all that stuff should be in play IMO.

The list of banned substances is ridiculous though. This isn't going to stop, Melky Cabrera got suspended 50 gams last year and added insult to injury when his team didn't let him play in the World Series even though he came off suspension. In the offseason he got a 2/$16mm deal, it's worth the shot.

Same in the NFL, NBA, etc. Won't ever stop...they'll find new ways to beat the system or at least strongly test it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Awesome response. I stated pretty much the same things about Braun in there that you have here about Cabrera, so you're right, you did get owned.

Keep trying though, this is fun.

Speaking of prescription drugs.

So defending Ryan Braun who had a positive test for banned substances removed because of chain of evidence is the same as defending a guy who has never even been accused? Where did you learn logic, North Korea?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Awesome response. I stated pretty much the same things about Braun in there that you have here about Cabrera, so you're right, you did get owned.

Keep trying though, this is fun.

Speaking of prescription drugs.

So defending Ryan Braun who had a positive test for banned substances removed because of chain of evidence is the same as defending a guy who has never even been accused? Where did you learn logic, North Korea?

알겠습니다

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think we can safely merge this with the 15 page Mr Pack thread in the baseball forum now, pretty much the same discussion.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Basically banned substances should be anything the is prescribed or illegal. When McGuire and others were accused of juicing they were citing stuff you and I could buy off the shelf at GNC, all that stuff should be in play IMO.

The list of banned substances is ridiculous though. This isn't going to stop, Melky Cabrera got suspended 50 gams last year and added insult to injury when his team didn't let him play in the World Series even though he came off suspension. In the offseason he got a 2/$16mm deal, it's worth the shot.

Same in the NFL, NBA, etc. Won't ever stop...they'll find new ways to beat the system or at least strongly test it.

Yeah while McGwire and others may have cited some GNC products like Andro, actual anabolic steroids were never for sale at GNC. And trust me the stuff sold at GNC in the '90s or today can't hold a candle to what actual steroids can do. Most of the crap GNC was selling turned into just that after you took it and did nothing.

Andro is now banned and classified as an anabolic steroid even though it's not anabolic (rather a pro-hormone) and has just about as much chance of converting to estrogen as it does to testosterone. It's mostly a worthless supplement and not how McGwire hit all those home runs. Regardless, sales skyrocketed after that reporter spotted the stuff in his locker. But Andro was just a cover for him. He's since admitted he took the real stuff.

 

[Frostillicus]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

He is on something, it could be cheeseburgers, but this was his rookie year in 2000http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://blog.pennlive.com/bleachernoise/2007/11/medium_miggy20.jpg

usually if you add this much weight you don't win a triple crown

13 years can add a lot of extra weight (There's also good food in Detroit). My point remains that if the MLB was looking for steroids, many fans would point to Miguel as the top of the list of people who they think are on steroids.

I want to see all these people who think Miggy is on roids. I actually have never heard any reasonable baseball fan even suggest it.

I'm pretty sure he's on roids. Verlander too. Also probably Scherzer. Not Don Kelly though, he's clean.

 

[Frostillicus]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

That's pretty racist, I know several black folk who can swim.

OH BULL####!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

He is on something, it could be cheeseburgers, but this was his rookie year in 2000http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://blog.pennlive.com/bleachernoise/2007/11/medium_miggy20.jpg

usually if you add this much weight you don't win a triple crown

13 years can add a lot of extra weight (There's also good food in Detroit). My point remains that if the MLB was looking for steroids, many fans would point to Miguel as the top of the list of people who they think are on steroids.

I want to see all these people who think Miggy is on roids. I actually have never heard any reasonable baseball fan even suggest it.

I'm pretty sure he's on roids. Verlander too. Also probably Scherzer. Not Don Kelly though, he's clean.

Don Kelly did something last year that a Twins player hasn't done since 2004. Can you guess what it is????

Spoiler

Have a GWRBI in a playoff game

 

[Raider Nation]

I think we can safely merge this with the 15 page Mr Pack thread in the baseball forum now, pretty much the same discussion.

No time for that. We've got to get rid of McCarthy first.

 

[Daywalker]

Basically banned substances should be anything the is prescribed or illegal. When McGuire and others were accused of juicing they were citing stuff you and I could buy off the shelf at GNC, all that stuff should be in play IMO.

The list of banned substances is ridiculous though. This isn't going to stop, Melky Cabrera got suspended 50 gams last year and added insult to injury when his team didn't let him play in the World Series even though he came off suspension. In the offseason he got a 2/$16mm deal, it's worth the shot.

Same in the NFL, NBA, etc. Won't ever stop...they'll find new ways to beat the system or at least strongly test it.

If PED's was the difference in making it in professional sports or not you'd be dumb to not at least give them a try. Too much money involved. Make a few million I'm probably going to have a healthier life going forward.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think we can safely merge this with the 15 page Mr Pack thread in the baseball forum now, pretty much the same discussion.

No time for that. We've got to get rid of McCarthy first.

 

[Frostillicus]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

He is on something, it could be cheeseburgers, but this was his rookie year in 2000http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://blog.pennlive.com/bleachernoise/2007/11/medium_miggy20.jpg

usually if you add this much weight you don't win a triple crown

13 years can add a lot of extra weight (There's also good food in Detroit). My point remains that if the MLB was looking for steroids, many fans would point to Miguel as the top of the list of people who they think are on steroids.

I want to see all these people who think Miggy is on roids. I actually have never heard any reasonable baseball fan even suggest it.

I'm pretty sure he's on roids. Verlander too. Also probably Scherzer. Not Don Kelly though, he's clean.

Don Kelly did something last year that a Twins player hasn't done since 2004. Can you guess what it is????

Spoiler

Have a GWRBI in a playoff game

Last straw. I'm breaking up with you.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

He is on something, it could be cheeseburgers, but this was his rookie year in 2000http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://blog.pennlive.com/bleachernoise/2007/11/medium_miggy20.jpg

usually if you add this much weight you don't win a triple crown

13 years can add a lot of extra weight (There's also good food in Detroit). My point remains that if the MLB was looking for steroids, many fans would point to Miguel as the top of the list of people who they think are on steroids.

I want to see all these people who think Miggy is on roids. I actually have never heard any reasonable baseball fan even suggest it.

I'm pretty sure he's on roids. Verlander too. Also probably Scherzer. Not Don Kelly though, he's clean.

Don Kelly did something last year that a Twins player hasn't done since 2004. Can you guess what it is????

Spoiler

Have a GWRBI in a playoff game

Last straw. I'm breaking up with you.

Send that one to TRE also, I know you're cheating on me with him anyway.

 

[sho nuff]

Well to be honest Doc you seem to be another blind eye here and not sure Pants and Sho are the ones showing out. I say that as a huge fan of your work in general here.

My response for Sho Nuff was at his constant use of :e: as a platform for his petty childishness.

As far as Cabrera, I watch him every day and have for years. He is a natural, as good a pure right-handed hitter as I've ever seen play baseball. He's slow, he isn't the greatest in the field and he puts on weight throughout the year. Ryan Braun is not nor ever was Miguel Cabrera, he excels in other parts of the game and is an excellent hitter. Once in a generation hitter? No.

Cabrera hits like Carew and Boggs with more power. His statistics are fairly consistent over his career and since he is in his prime, you expect increasing counting numbers. That's what you are getting and based on everything we know and what he can do as a pure hitter, I have no reason to suspect he uses PEDs. Could he? Sure, nothing points to it. He has nine full major league seasons and has only twice had an OPS under 900 (those years were close to 900) and four at different points that were .998 or higher.

We have watched him since he was 19 years old, and the only thing he has more of these days is hot dog fat. Guy just hits, and hits and hits. You want to suspect other tigers, fine. Fielder? Sure. maybe. VMART, Hunter, etc? Sure. I just don't see Cabrera fitting the mold, the stats, my eyes and his ability tell me otherwise.

A guy can hit and hit and hit, take steroids, and hit more.

Exactly...I have no reason to really think Cabrera is on it...but at this point, nothing would surprise me about any player in MLB anymore.

This is pretty much how I feel about all MLB players. I have no idea who does and doesn't use steroids, but nobody would surprise me.

such an unreasonable position we are apparently taking

 

[pittstownkiller]

The fact is that none of these players failed a test, they are connected to this doctor by reports; I can make the assumption then that the doctor is using a substance that cannot be detected. If there are PEDs that are undetectable (there are), no one is above reproach. I hope they are all clean, I really do, but I do not believe that is true and I think that it is a very big problem. To look at someone like Cabrera, as DD does, is fair since he has always hit but to watch someone put up historic numbers in this era, when they are hitting off of pitchers that are surely using PEDs, raises an eyebrow.

Colon, Melky and Grandal failed tests

Have they even been linked to this Doctor or are they just from the Miami area?

They were named in the ESPN article, which raises the question whether they can receive another suspension for being associated with Bosch

ESPN never linked them to Bosch, they just stated that they asked MLB if there was a connection.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This is some crazy ### bull####, even by MLB standards.

 

[financewonk]

Braun, A-Rod and others to be suspended after the All-Star break

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9464246/ryan-braun-refused-answer-mlb-questions-biogenesis-clinic-sources-say

 

[Abraham]

Well then.

 

[tommyGunZ]

bye-bye evereth Cabrera

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Meh...let me know when the appeals get denied

 

[Tony Jabroni]

I wouldn't mess with Hebrew Hammer's legal team.

 

[dparker713]

Braun, A-Rod and others to be suspended after the All-Star break

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9464246/ryan-braun-refused-answer-mlb-questions-biogenesis-clinic-sources-say

MLB sure is a Fort Knox of information. So wish Braun had sued for damages for the violation of confidentiality after winning his appeal.

 

[mquinnjr]

Can teams volunteer players onto this list? Would love to be able to forego 100 games of the Ryan Howard contract (12.346MM).

 

[sporthenry]

Can teams volunteer players onto this list? Would love to be able to forego 100 games of the Ryan Howard contract (12.346MM).

Just start spiking his gatorade.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So who else?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Bartolo Colon (steroids in Twinkies?)

Jhonny Peralta

Jesus Montero