20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

Like you've never done anything wrong in your life! Who is the real #######, here, anyway, huh? You, obviously! /Mr.Pack

lolol

there is not a sports player in the world i would stand up for the way some people stood up for braun

i would gladly make sweet love to Peyton Manning, but i am not ever gonna proclaim he did not take some goat/monkey/armadillo hybrid growth hormone to recover from his neck injury

giraffe you #######, should have gone giraffe

 

[Disco Stu]

Well, I supported him when he got it overturned.

Any chance he's taking the fall for a good friend?

Maybe he's doing it out of true love?

 

[NCCommish]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

Rodgers is a known welcher, not going to hold my breath.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem to understand the way bets work -- because even though he LOST a wager to Boyz II Men ... he's now trying to weasel his way out of paying up ... by throwing TMZ under the bus.

We broke the story ... the Green Bay Packers star agreed to a friendly bet with the guys from Boyz II Men -- if he lost to the 49ers, he had to wear an Alex Smith jersey the following week.

Well, the Pack lost ... and Boyz II Men told us they were confident the NFL star would hold up his end of the bargain.

But earlier today, Rodgers addressed the media -- and when he was asked about the wager, he sounded like a man trying to get out of donning his rival's jersey.

"There's nothing to that," Rodgers said ... adding, "That got blown way out of proportion."

 

[CletiusMaximus]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

he can deny all he wants, he got off on a technicality before and everyone shoulda known

and he got busted now

his credibility is 0

 

[T Bell]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

MLBPA would never agree to open the process either

 

[The General]

Going to be hard to be an MVP candidate if he can't cheat.

He had a fantastic season last year and passed weekly tests. Do you really think he wasn't using last year? Braun's numbers will be right back to his career norms.

The guy on ESPN who has been covering this for the past year or so - believe his name is TJ Quinn - has been pretty much right about everything so far. He reported this morning that essentially MLB had evidence that Braun's use of PED's was sophisticated and was on ongoing over a long period of time.

I'm guessing the Brewers would love to get out of this contract.

 

[sho nuff]

Can someone please dig up and post a collection of top 10 Mr Pack quotes about Braun? I'm in need of a good laugh

Oh, be nice to Mr. Pack. Dude is a fan and fans sometimes are blinded by their loyalty to their teams/players. Sure, he made some silly remarks, but maybe we can cut him some slack. Guy would give the shirt off his back for any of us here.

Yeah, but that shirt is a #8 Brewers shirt.

Fire up the African child meme?

I will never tire of this meme.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7217/m24t.jpg

 

[sho nuff]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

 

[Abraham]

Going to be hard to be an MVP candidate if he can't cheat.

He had a fantastic season last year and passed weekly tests. Do you really think he wasn't using last year? Braun's numbers will be right back to his career norms.

The guy on ESPN who has been covering this for the past year or so - believe his name is TJ Quinn - has been pretty much right about everything so far. He reported this morning that essentially MLB had evidence that Braun's use of PED's was sophisticated and was on ongoing over a long period of time.

I'm guessing the Brewers would love to get out of this contract.

Not just about Braun, but about all these guys: the idea that they used PEDs just once or twice at a specific time is silly and foolish. My friend who used to work for the Astros simply refuses to believe that Roger Clemens used enhancements beyond the two year window that made it in to court proceedings. I, of course, know that is just the tip of the iceberg. These guys - LOTS of them - have been using advanced medical science for years and years and years to get an edge. SOme of it is against the rules already, some will be against the rules eventually. But no one slips and falls and ends up with HGH in their system.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

Of course, and that's the main point. We have known with some certainty for some time that Braun failed a drug test and almost certainly took a banned substance. For me, that's a single data point that is probably a very small party of the story. I'm not an expert but am a pro cycling fan and lawyer so I'm interested in facts from credible sources, not rumors, leaks and self serving press conferences. Listening to sports radio or reading this thread, one quickly realizes that the great majority of the discussion is based on ignorance. I would love to see the arbitrators decision for example, or the parties submissions to him, but that info is sealed and will never see the light of day.

 

[sho nuff]

Going to be hard to be an MVP candidate if he can't cheat.

He had a fantastic season last year and passed weekly tests. Do you really think he wasn't using last year? Braun's numbers will be right back to his career norms.

The guy on ESPN who has been covering this for the past year or so - believe his name is TJ Quinn - has been pretty much right about everything so far. He reported this morning that essentially MLB had evidence that Braun's use of PED's was sophisticated and was on ongoing over a long period of time.

I'm guessing the Brewers would love to get out of this contract.

Not just about Braun, but about all these guys: the idea that they used PEDs just once or twice at a specific time is silly and foolish. My friend who used to work for the Astros simply refuses to believe that Roger Clemens used enhancements beyond the two year window that made it in to court proceedings. I, of course, know that is just the tip of the iceberg. These guys - LOTS of them - have been using advanced medical science for years and years and years to get an edge. SOme of it is against the rules already, some will be against the rules eventually. But no one slips and falls and ends up with HGH in their system.

Yeah...the users are always years ahead of the testers.

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

 

[T Bell]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

Of course, and that's the main point. We have known with some certainty for some time that Braun failed a drug test and almost certainly took a banned substance. For me, that's a single data point that is probably a very small party of the story. I'm not an expert but am a pro cycling fan and lawyer so I'm interested in facts from credible sources, not rumors, leaks and self serving press conferences. Listening to sports radio or reading this thread, one quickly realizes that the great majority of the discussion is based on ignorance. I would love to see the arbitrators decision for example, or the parties submissions to him, but that info is sealed and will never see the light of day.

Pro cycling gets a bad rap but at least it has the integrity to go back and strip victories from cheaters. MLB lacks this, which is why Braun will always be the 2011 MVP.

 

[TobiasFunke]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

Of course, and that's the main point. We have known with some certainty for some time that Braun failed a drug test and almost certainly took a banned substance. For me, that's a single data point that is probably a very small party of the story. I'm not an expert but am a pro cycling fan and lawyer so I'm interested in facts from credible sources, not rumors, leaks and self serving press conferences. Listening to sports radio or reading this thread, one quickly realizes that the great majority of the discussion is based on ignorance. I would love to see the arbitrators decision for example, or the parties submissions to him, but that info is sealed and will never see the light of day.

Pro cycling gets a bad rap but at least it has the integrity to go back and strip victories from cheaters. MLB lacks this, which is why Braun will always be the 2011 MVP.

Apples and oranges doesn't do this justice.

 

[sho nuff]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

You think Braun told Rodgers that he was using?

And that Rodgers...with a leaked failed test for Braun already out there...took up to lying as well?

Id say at some point he will say something...but is also in the position that saying a bunch now just looks like him piling on a guy who he still does business with as far as their restaurant(s).

 

[Pipes]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

Not to mention the way he tried to put it on the tester. It's bad enough to lie about yourself don't try to put it on others. Poor guy just trying to make a living and this doosh tosses him under the bus when he knew damn well he was guilty.

I'm a Brewers fan and had he taken his lumps back in 2012 I'd have been disapointed but would have somewhat understood. I wouldn't have given him a pass but with the numbers of cheaters it wouldn't have bothered me so much had he come out and said he made a mistake...blah, blah, blah. But since he continued the lie and threw people under the bus he can go #### himself as far as I'm concerned.

Pretty much how I feel as well but at the end of the day but I don't really care too much and I certainly didn't lose sleep over it. When he comes back I will still root for him as plays for a team that is located in close proximity to me.

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

You think Braun told Rodgers that he was using?

And that Rodgers...with a leaked failed test for Braun already out there...took up to lying as well?

Id say at some point he will say something...but is also in the position that saying a bunch now just looks like him piling on a guy who he still does business with as far as their restaurant(s).

for all i know Braun and Rodgers use together

it seems Braun was using and was so sure he would not get nailed he offered to take more tests

so yeah, i think it is possible Rodgers knew Braun was using in any number of ways

and sorry, you were willing to go to bat for the guy you were in business with in a major ####### way, so yeah, now i expect you to talk about it

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

but you have no problem believing he'd stick his neck out with nothing more than Braun's word?

i mean, odds are Rodgers has never had any experience with anyone using PEDs right?

 

[Tom Servo]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

This is known as "Johnny Bench Syndrome".

 

[Pipes]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

but you have no problem believing he'd stick his neck out with nothing more than Braun's word?

i mean, odds are Rodgers has never had any experience with anyone using PEDs right?

Absolutely...if a friend on mine told me something I'd tend to believe him. What would Rodgers have to gain by sticking his neck out for someone he knows to have used PED's? Other than to salvage a restaurant that's peanuts to his overall net worth. I can't imagine Rodgers risking his reputation for a drug user like Braun.

Of course Rodgers has experience with and/or knows someone using PED's, everyone in the NFL does...not sure how that relates to this case at all.

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

but you have no problem believing he'd stick his neck out with nothing more than Braun's word?

i mean, odds are Rodgers has never had any experience with anyone using PEDs right?

Absolutely...if a friend on mine told me something I'd tend to believe him. What would Rodgers have to gain by sticking his neck out for someone he knows to have used PED's? Other than to salvage a restaurant that's peanuts to his overall net worth. I can't imagine Rodgers risking his reputation for a drug user like Braun.

Of course Rodgers has experience with and/or knows someone using PED's, everyone in the NFL does...not sure how that relates to this case at all.

If he knows anything about PEDs he knows rule 1 is lie about it\

If you think none of your friends have ever lied to you you are gullible, if you think your friends would never lie to you about something that could cost them millions of dollars and their reputation you are extra gullible

he had to know, assuming Braun denied it to him which we do not know, that there was a chance Braun was lying. Sticking his neck out at all was dumb, yet he did it

either way, he needs to man up and face the music. pick better friends if you plan on being so adamant about everything they say, it is a hard lesson

since everyone seems so sure that naive innocent Rodgers was totally duped here, I wonder if he'll sever ties to his betrayer. Doubt it, because I think Rodgers is likely semi surprised Braun got caught but not the least bit surprised Braun was juicing

 

[B-Deep]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

 

[sho nuff]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Now...we only know so much about athletes...but if you read anything of what Rodgers says about his career, reputation, legacy or whatever you want to call it...you would see that he would see lying about such a thing to defend a friend to be pretty big hit to his reputation.

I just don't see it...and I could be blinded by being that big of a Rodgers fan...but it simply makes little sense that he would have stuck up for the guy if he knew for sure he did it.

Seems far more likely he believed a guy he thinks of as his best "athlete" friend.

 

[Pipes]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Rodgers had absolutely nothing to gain, nothing by commenting on this if he thought Braun was juicing. If he knew Braun was juicing Rodgers is smart enough to just stay silent on the issue. And a little embarrassment for Rodgers now is far worse than nothing had he just not commented in the first place.

 

[B-Deep]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Now...we only know so much about athletes...but if you read anything of what Rodgers says about his career, reputation, legacy or whatever you want to call it...you would see that he would see lying about such a thing to defend a friend to be pretty big hit to his reputation.

I just don't see it...and I could be blinded by being that big of a Rodgers fan...but it simply makes little sense that he would have stuck up for the guy if he knew for sure he did it.

Seems far more likely he believed a guy he thinks of as his best "athlete" friend.

I thought we knew a lot about Lance Armstrong's reputation and legacy once upon a time too

you are saying "Rodgers is a god guy, he had to be duped here"

I'm jaded enough to to believe that about any athlete anymore

I just think if his reputation is that important blindly taking his friend's word is as no more unbelievable than knowing or choosing not to know and denying

none of us know for sure, and maybe he was duped, but i will not simply assume that to be the case

and i like rodgers, i just think when you push all your chips in on something you gotta stand there like a man and face the music when you are wrong. He did not simply back up Braun, he was over the top on it.

 

[Pipes]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

but you have no problem believing he'd stick his neck out with nothing more than Braun's word?

i mean, odds are Rodgers has never had any experience with anyone using PEDs right?

Absolutely...if a friend on mine told me something I'd tend to believe him. What would Rodgers have to gain by sticking his neck out for someone he knows to have used PED's? Other than to salvage a restaurant that's peanuts to his overall net worth. I can't imagine Rodgers risking his reputation for a drug user like Braun.

Of course Rodgers has experience with and/or knows someone using PED's, everyone in the NFL does...not sure how that relates to this case at all.

If he knows anything about PEDs he knows rule 1 is lie about it\

If you think none of your friends have ever lied to you you are gullible, if you think your friends would never lie to you about something that could cost them millions of dollars and their reputation you are extra gullible

he had to know, assuming Braun denied it to him which we do not know, that there was a chance Braun was lying. Sticking his neck out at all was dumb, yet he did it

either way, he needs to man up and face the music. pick better friends if you plan on being so adamant about everything they say, it is a hard lesson

since everyone seems so sure that naive innocent Rodgers was totally duped here, I wonder if he'll sever ties to his betrayer. Doubt it, because I think Rodgers is likely semi surprised Braun got caught but not the least bit surprised Braun was juicing

Of course friends have lied to me but that doesn't mean I don't take them for their word. I wouldn't be shocked if, other than restaurant business, Rodgers does server his "friendship" with Braun. It seems like you're puting Rodgers on trial here rather than Braun. Other than a really stupid tweet what did Rodgers do exactly where he needs to "man up" and "face the music"? Braun was the one caught cheating not Rodgers.

 

[B-Deep]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Rodgers had absolutely nothing to gain, nothing by commenting on this if he thought Braun was juicing. If he knew Braun was juicing Rodgers is smart enough to just stay silent on the issue. And a little embarrassment for Rodgers now is far worse than nothing had he just not commented in the first place.

he had nothing to gain by what he said if he thought braun was not juicing

i don't think "what's in it for me" was his motivation

 

[St. Louis Bob]

lol

 

[B-Deep]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

They are humiliated, as you can tell from how hard the apologists are working in this thread.

and to be clear

only the fans who stuck up for him as clean deserve to be humiliated

and i really want Rodgers to grab a mic and man up, face his lumps

You want a guy to take his lumps for standing up for his friend who likely lied to him to?

That said...he should throw some jerseys/tickets to the dude he "bet".

Well, yeah

First we don;t know that the friend lied to him, you are making an assumption

Second, sorry, if you go out on a limb and are wrong you have to face the music. Do I expect him to give up his salary? Nope,, but i expect him to come out and eat some humble pie.

Third, he has to know that there is a chance any atheltet is using, he is not so naive to think everyone is clean

Braun lied to everyone, at least publically, so it's reasonable is assume Braun lied to Rodgers about this. I can't imagine Rodgers being that stupid to stick his neck out for Braun if he knew Braun was using.

but you have no problem believing he'd stick his neck out with nothing more than Braun's word?

i mean, odds are Rodgers has never had any experience with anyone using PEDs right?

Absolutely...if a friend on mine told me something I'd tend to believe him. What would Rodgers have to gain by sticking his neck out for someone he knows to have used PED's? Other than to salvage a restaurant that's peanuts to his overall net worth. I can't imagine Rodgers risking his reputation for a drug user like Braun.

Of course Rodgers has experience with and/or knows someone using PED's, everyone in the NFL does...not sure how that relates to this case at all.

If he knows anything about PEDs he knows rule 1 is lie about it\

If you think none of your friends have ever lied to you you are gullible, if you think your friends would never lie to you about something that could cost them millions of dollars and their reputation you are extra gullible

he had to know, assuming Braun denied it to him which we do not know, that there was a chance Braun was lying. Sticking his neck out at all was dumb, yet he did it

either way, he needs to man up and face the music. pick better friends if you plan on being so adamant about everything they say, it is a hard lesson

since everyone seems so sure that naive innocent Rodgers was totally duped here, I wonder if he'll sever ties to his betrayer. Doubt it, because I think Rodgers is likely semi surprised Braun got caught but not the least bit surprised Braun was juicing

Of course friends have lied to me but that doesn't mean I don't take them for their word. I wouldn't be shocked if, other than restaurant business, Rodgers does server his "friendship" with Braun. It seems like you're puting Rodgers on trial here rather than Braun. Other than a really stupid tweet what did Rodgers do exactly where he needs to "man up" and "face the music"? Braun was the one caught cheating not Rodgers.

I am only blaming Rodgers for his actions, not Braun's

and it was a couple of really stupid tweets, and that's all i want him to face the music on

i am just not accepting as a given that when Rodgers found out Braun was going to admit to juicing he was shocked

it is possible he was, it is also possible he knew all along, none of us know.

I am not assuming one way or another based on the image that Rodgers has constructed for himself, others here are.

Either way, he came out very strongly and in everyone's face defending a now admitted cheater, so i want to hear what he has to say on it.

 

[dparker713]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

I think there is a substantial difference between a GM lying about who is available via trade and a player lying about enhancing their biology. "I'd bet my life that stuff isn't in my body" is a much more emphatic statement than "I'm the coach of the Miami Dolphins..."

"I guess I have to say it," Saban said. "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach."

Don't see any equivocation in that statement whatsoever.

 

[dparker713]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

 

[B-Deep]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

only he was caught

he beat the process, but he was juicing and was caught

 

[Limp Ditka]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

 

[sho nuff]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Now...we only know so much about athletes...but if you read anything of what Rodgers says about his career, reputation, legacy or whatever you want to call it...you would see that he would see lying about such a thing to defend a friend to be pretty big hit to his reputation.

I just don't see it...and I could be blinded by being that big of a Rodgers fan...but it simply makes little sense that he would have stuck up for the guy if he knew for sure he did it.

Seems far more likely he believed a guy he thinks of as his best "athlete" friend.

I thought we knew a lot about Lance Armstrong's reputation and legacy once upon a time too

you are saying "Rodgers is a god guy, he had to be duped here"

I'm jaded enough to to believe that about any athlete anymore

I just think if his reputation is that important blindly taking his friend's word is as no more unbelievable than knowing or choosing not to know and denying

none of us know for sure, and maybe he was duped, but i will not simply assume that to be the case

and i like rodgers, i just think when you push all your chips in on something you gotta stand there like a man and face the music when you are wrong. He did not simply back up Braun, he was over the top on it.

I am saying Rodgers reputation in things like this do mean a lot to him.

Can't seem to pull up the interview...might have even been what his mother said that Rodgers had said...but it was along the lines of "I don't just want to be the best player anymore...I want to be the best man who has ever played".

More about how he would like to see himself be recognized as much for what he does off the field or how he conducts himself than just how he plays.

I believe he did take his friend's word for it...and was lied to.

It makes zero sense for him to come out as strongly as he did for Braun if he knew Braun was dirty.

 

[dparker713]

i hvae no idea how anyone, even the biggest brewers fan, convinced themselves this dude was clean

they deserve to be humliated now, and so does rodgers

I don't think it's a matter of convincing oneself of anything. These proceedings are conducted in secret so everything we know comes from MLB (who has said very little) from Braun himself, and from leaks and rumors. None of us knows what he did, which substances he took, when, how much, why he did it. Even now he's not admitted anything other than a vague reference to mistakes. He's left a big opening for denial going forward.

This is done to protect MLB, who has almost as much incentive to cover up PED abuse as does an abuser like Braun.

The MLB has gone after more high profile players than any sport save maybe cycling. It's got a robust testing system in place and has by all accounts conducted a vigorous/illegal investigation to suspend players without a positive test. The league has continually kept these efforts in the news through leaks and statements.

But I do agree its in the leagues' best interests to not do those things. The NFL suspends players, makes a press release and its done. If a news story comes up the league will "look into it" Dwelling on this aspect of the sport does not help anyone involved other than the news outlets.

 

[dparker713]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

only he was caught

he beat the process, but he was juicing and was caught

To me, you're not caught until you've got no way out. You fight to the last. He kept fighting and was not punished for that test result.

 

[bosoxs45]

@SportsCenter: Marlins Logan Morrison on the Braun suspension before last night's game: "You know we're clean. We haven't scored a run in 37 innings."

 

[B-Deep]

and LOL at "risking his reputation"

this could be uncomfortable for Rodgers in the short term but won't do any damage to him.

Why stick your neck out for Braun?

because there are likely no REAL consequences. He'll still play, get paid, and make millions on endorsements. Which is why i think it is possible he knew all along, or at least suspected. There's no REAL consequence for flat out lying to the public on this if you are Rodgers and you KNOW he is juicing, other than a little embarrassment. It is certainly not hard to believe Rodgers could have just not cared either way.

Now...we only know so much about athletes...but if you read anything of what Rodgers says about his career, reputation, legacy or whatever you want to call it...you would see that he would see lying about such a thing to defend a friend to be pretty big hit to his reputation.

I just don't see it...and I could be blinded by being that big of a Rodgers fan...but it simply makes little sense that he would have stuck up for the guy if he knew for sure he did it.

Seems far more likely he believed a guy he thinks of as his best "athlete" friend.

I thought we knew a lot about Lance Armstrong's reputation and legacy once upon a time too

you are saying "Rodgers is a god guy, he had to be duped here"

I'm jaded enough to to believe that about any athlete anymore

I just think if his reputation is that important blindly taking his friend's word is as no more unbelievable than knowing or choosing not to know and denying

none of us know for sure, and maybe he was duped, but i will not simply assume that to be the case

and i like rodgers, i just think when you push all your chips in on something you gotta stand there like a man and face the music when you are wrong. He did not simply back up Braun, he was over the top on it.

I am saying Rodgers reputation in things like this do mean a lot to him.

Can't seem to pull up the interview...might have even been what his mother said that Rodgers had said...but it was along the lines of "I don't just want to be the best player anymore...I want to be the best man who has ever played".

More about how he would like to see himself be recognized as much for what he does off the field or how he conducts himself than just how he plays.

I believe he did take his friend's word for it...and was lied to.

It makes zero sense for him to come out as strongly as he did for Braun if he knew Braun was dirty.

again

go back 10 years and listen to Armstrong

I am not saying he is doping, i am saying interviews won't convince me

I'll assume he is clean, but if tomorrow it came out he was as juiced as anyone i would not be surprised

I've stopped assuming the groomed public persona of athletes is the truth of who they are. Too many have too adamantly stated they were one thing only to later come out and say sorry for being something else

anyway at very least rodgers was obnoxiously naive and overly convinced of a fact on which he had no knowledge.

 

[B-Deep]

oh yeah and

DISCOUNT DOUBLE CHECK!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

@SportsCenter: Marlins Logan Morrison on the Braun suspension before last night's game: "You know we're clean. We haven't scored a run in 37 innings."

 

[NCCommish]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

He was caught. He got off on a technicality. He then went about blaming everyone else for it when he knew he was dirty. Including throwing some poor schmuck under the bus for his cheating. I don't really care about the PEDs so much personally. Heck I don't even like baseball. But this guy went further than that. He made it about other people and lied his ### off when he didn't have to all in a vain attempt to take the heat off himself. He is pretty low for that and I personally would take a breath and think about if I want to defend the lying ####### if I were you.

 

[proninja]

So this is where the Viking and bear fans hang out in the offseason

 

[Pipes]

Don't care about the cheating (I think most do) as much as making his teammates, media, and fans who backed him look like fools from his lies. Fess up and deal with it cheater.

I find this statement absurd. We accept lying as a part of our daily dialog, especially about sports. Whether its in the form of clichés the athletes don't mean, coach speak meant to motivate a player/get a call later in a series, GMs using misinformation on negotiations, trade talks and draft picks, or coaches outright lying to reporters' faces about considering leaving for another position. People take the public stance that benefits them the most until they are forced to change that stance.

It's childish to expect people involved in secret actions to be entirely forthcoming.

That point for Braun was when the positive test was leaked. At that point for him to get pissed with everyone who questioned him is what has people up in arms. Noone expects the cheaters to come out and announce it but also noone expects them to continue to lie once they are initially caught.

He wasn't caught, he was accused. And he successfully defended himself at that time. Again, its just plain naïve to expect people to roll over when they're accused.

If you are guilty of something you shouldn't say things like "I'd bet my life this substance never entered my body at any time." I didn't expect him to roll over but to "bet your life" when in fact he did it was beyond ridiculous.

 

[strykerpks]

The Taiwanese have weighed in.

 

[Tom Servo]

@SportsCenter: Marlins Logan Morrison on the Braun suspension before last night's game: "You know we're clean. We haven't scored a run in 37 innings."

Leave it to LoMo to cut to the heart of the matter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Taiwanese have weighed in.

I particularly enjoyed when the guy gave him teh juice. And the panda, of course.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Taiwanese have weighed in.

I particularly enjoyed when the guy gave him teh juice. And the panda, of course.

Man...Asian people are weird.