20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (2 Viewers)

[B-Deep]

i think they should suspend that dodger player who said he took down Braun's autographed jersey. Why take it down, for all we know Braun is 100% clean! #FreeRyanBraun

I love Skip Schumaker. I wonder what the coaching sessions between he and McGwire will be like going forward.

"So, yeah, about that whole juicers should be kicked out of the game thing..."

Or how he'll take it when he finds out Albert was using.

he obviously jumps to unfounded conclusions

he's a loose cannon!

 

[dparker713]

So, we taking bets on A-Rod? I'd love to see MLB just go for the death penalty to finally get there. It's the only way this ridiculous topic ever really gets anywhere, and I'm fine making Alex the test case. Let's do this.

Melky lied to investigators and set up a fake website. Plus he actually failed a test. He got 50 games. How exactly does the league justify a lifetime ban given that precedent?

Because ARod is a class A ##### and there isn't a single person that will weep when the do hammer him?

Sounds like the very definition of arbitrary and capricious to me.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Holy hell. Going to need a backhoe to dig his head out of the sand...

His point on not knowing for sure how it affects them or how much more batters over pitchers is not that out there.

Its obviously a benefit...to what extent seems to be ore of the question.

He still seems quite misguided in all of this.

He's the epitome of scumbag defense atty that can't separate the court of public opinion from the court of law.

EVERYTHING is a court battle to him. I can see him at his keyboard screaming 'INADMISSABLE!' and 'I OBJECT!' at about 75% of the posts in this thread.

He's worse than Christo by 100,000%. Of course dpark will argue that there's no proof of that either.

The defense for my stance about him being worse that Christo: At least Christo takes a moment to admire the bushes.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, we taking bets on A-Rod? I'd love to see MLB just go for the death penalty to finally get there. It's the only way this ridiculous topic ever really gets anywhere, and I'm fine making Alex the test case. Let's do this.

Melky lied to investigators and set up a fake website. Plus he actually failed a test. He got 50 games. How exactly does the league justify a lifetime ban given that precedent?

Because ARod is a class A ##### and there isn't a single person that will weep when the do hammer him?

Sounds like the very definition of arbitrary and capricious to me.

Ok.

 

[sho nuff]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Nope. None.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/70898289@N00/1050762112/

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Miguel+Cabrera+Detroit+Tigers+Photo+Day+V5Q1h2A92x2l.jpg

Note...I don't think he is juicing...but many players start out skinny and put on weight considering they start playing the game at such an early age. There are obviously some exceptions to where the change is so dramatic (Bonds)...but you don't hear anything about Cabrera (and probably rightfully so).

Hell...if we are talking just based on pictures...look at Braun...not really any real change from rookie til now. Yet we know he was juicing.

 

[B-Deep]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Nope. None.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/70898289@N00/1050762112/

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/10/13/c7/4e/miggie2003.JPG

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Miguel+Cabrera+Detroit+Tigers+Photo+Day+V5Q1h2A92x2l.jpg

Note...I don't think he is juicing...but many players start out skinny and put on weight considering they start playing the game at such an early age. There are obviously some exceptions to where the change is so dramatic (Bonds)...but you don't hear anything about Cabrera (and probably rightfully so).

Hell...if we are talking just based on pictures...look at Braun...not really any real change from rookie til now. Yet we know he was juicing.

or...do we?!?!?!?!

 

[dparker713]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

 

[dparker713]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Holy hell. Going to need a backhoe to dig his head out of the sand...

His point on not knowing for sure how it affects them or how much more batters over pitchers is not that out there.

Its obviously a benefit...to what extent seems to be ore of the question.

He still seems quite misguided in all of this.

He's the epitome of scumbag defense atty that can't separate the court of public opinion from the court of law.

EVERYTHING is a court battle to him. I can see him at his keyboard screaming 'INADMISSABLE!' and 'I OBJECT!' at about 75% of the posts in this thread.

He's worse than Christo by 100,000%. Of course dpark will argue that there's no proof of that either.

The defense for my stance about him being worse that Christo: At least Christo takes a moment to admire the bushes.

Actually, I'm better than Christo. I win my ifights with him.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

Um...what makes great players great is getting better through hard work...not science.

 

[rodg12]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

Um...what makes great players great is getting better through hard work...not science.

So it was all hard work that got Adrian Peterson back from his knee injury but Gale Sayers never had a chance? Gotcha. Good to know.

 

[ncc2]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

Yeah I think I already said, and pretty sure others echoed, this is about more than downing some PEDs now. This is about being a lying d-bag. This about screaming "I did not have sex with that woman" while the stained dress waited in the wings. This is about saying someone messed with his sample when they didn't. This is about throwing some poor guy under the bus when you knew you were a lying #######. This is about him being a horrible human being. Not because of PEDs but because of his behavior.

 

[sho nuff]

So it was all hard work that got Adrian Peterson back from his knee injury but Gale Sayers never had a chance? Gotcha. Good to know.

Because that is what Im saying.

Keep trying...

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

 

[rodg12]

So it was all hard work that got Adrian Peterson back from his knee injury but Gale Sayers never had a chance? Gotcha. Good to know.

Because that is what Im saying.

Keep trying...

Basically...yes. That great players don't benefit from science. Just hard work.

 

[sho nuff]

So it was all hard work that got Adrian Peterson back from his knee injury but Gale Sayers never had a chance? Gotcha. Good to know.

Because that is what Im saying.

Keep trying...

Basically...yes. That great players don't benefit from science. Just hard work.

Context of the discussion should be your friend...but apparently is a lost concept on you.

 

[tom22406]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

I really didn't care that much about Braun until he put on that show of a speech after his first round of excuses.

 

[dparker713]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

Yeah I think I already said, and pretty sure others echoed, this is about more than downing some PEDs now. This is about being a lying d-bag. This about screaming "I did not have sex with that woman" while the stained dress waited in the wings. This is about saying someone messed with his sample when they didn't. This is about throwing some poor guy under the bus when you knew you were a lying #######. This is about him being a horrible human being. Not because of PEDs but because of his behavior.

Yeah, I don't think lying makes you a horrible human being. I think it makes you human. His behavior seems just about on par with every person ever accused of something they didn't want to admit to. There's no indication thus far he bullied people like Armstrong or did much more than try to defend himself as his means allowed.

 

[T Bell]

This whole thing feels an awful lot like the Vick case. People losing their minds and demanding more punishment than is meted out to players that beat their wives, drive drunk or kill someone with their car.

Completely different. For me, there are two types of "crimes" when it comes to sports, and they are not just apples and oranges, but apples and elephants. There are crimes "against the game" - namely, those which call into account the very integrity of the sport. Cheating is among the worst of these, along with fixing games, betting on your own games, etc.

The second are crimes "outside of the sport" - anything from DUI to murder.

Now, usually, or dare I say, almost always, the crimes against the game do FAR less harm to SOCIETY than crimes within/against the game. However, crimes within the game are far more dangerous to the future of the sport itself than even the worst of crimes outside the lines.

So, while it's far worse to have dog fights, DUIs, beat your wife, murder people, those don't strike to the integrity of the game itself. So, if within the lines some of those crimes do not have "in game" repercussions, I can live with that.

Braun's saga is much more aligned with Pete Rose, who's actions called into the very basis of what sport is - a free and unfettered competition. When you mess with that, the existence and propogation of the game itself is called into question.

With that in mind, while Braun's crimes were nothing compared to most that occur outside the lines, within the context of the game they must be treated more harshly, lest the game no longer be valid in the mind of the spectator.

Players taking drugs to play better are trying to win, all the time. Gambling, on the other hand, creates incentives to try to lose or not try as hard in other contests. Gambling is a much different and worse infraction which actually threatens the integrity of the game.

What Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGuire, ARod and Braun did is much worse than Pete Rose as far as I am concerned. Rose was a competitor, these guys are cheaters.

According to the Dowd Report, Rose may have bet against the Reds while he was managing them. THAT would be far worse than anything those other guys could have done.

No, because there's no science about how much you're affected as a manager when you bet against your team.

 

[ncc2]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Are you his agent? Are you sleeping with him? Even the players on his own team are pissed and are glad he got suspended.

I only care he got suspended because it effected one of my fantasy teams. You get caught, you get suspended. End of the story for me. I don't parse apologies or believe I deserve one. Players have been cheating in all sports, including baseball, for as long as they've been keeping score. I don't see this as some great moral failing in Braun. Its part of what makes great players great - the desire to do anything to win.

Yeah I think I already said, and pretty sure others echoed, this is about more than downing some PEDs now. This is about being a lying d-bag. This about screaming "I did not have sex with that woman" while the stained dress waited in the wings. This is about saying someone messed with his sample when they didn't. This is about throwing some poor guy under the bus when you knew you were a lying #######. This is about him being a horrible human being. Not because of PEDs but because of his behavior.

Yeah, I don't think lying makes you a horrible human being. I think it makes you human. His behavior seems just about on par with every person ever accused of something they didn't want to admit to. There's no indication thus far he bullied people like Armstrong or did much more than try to defend himself as his means allowed.

Yeah keep running with everyone does it so what? A friggin' kiddie excuse.

 

[B-Deep]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

 

[B-Deep]

the concept of "lying is no big deal if you are lying to cover up for something you did wrong" is odd too

i don't really want society to get to a p[lace where someone can boldly and blatanlty lie to them and then later say "well what did you expect?" and we are all just ok with it

 

[T Bell]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

...or plays for your favorite WI team...

 

[the moops]

Actually, I'm better than Christo. I win my ifights with him.

There are no winners in ifights between you two. Everyone loses. Sadly

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

...or plays for your favorite WI team...

Meh...Im a casual baseball fan.

Sort of lost interest in the Brewers for a while back when the Seligs owned them. Once that ownership changed...I got back on board a bit...but never over the top.

And none of what I said is that lying is ok if its to protect millions.

There is a difference between me saying its ok...and me saying I don't get offended the way many here seem to be...

 

[B-Deep]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

 

[Snotbubbles]

the concept of "lying is no big deal if you are lying to cover up for something you did wrong" is odd too

i don't really want society to get to a p[lace where someone can boldly and blatanlty lie to them and then later say "well what did you expect?" and we are all just ok with it

It depends on the lie. Braun should be villified because he threw a guy under the bus with his lies, same with Lance Armstrong. But in the grand scheme of things, I really don't care if a grown man lies about doing drugs to become better at hitting a baseball or bike up a mountain. I still don't understand why PEDs are illegal. When taken under the proper circumstances, they can be quite beneficial. It's sweeping it under the rug and making them taboo that causes the real harm.

 

[sporthenry]

I'm cool with agreeing that the only facts against Braun were a positive test and, you know, the fact that he has basically admitted he was juicing. Other than the positive test and admission of guilt, dude was 100% clean.

Due was juicing, but to say he got off on a technicality is incorrect. He got off the first time because the defense was unable to show that the test was unreliable.

technicality

the test was right, he was juicing

he beat the system...

till now

it is not hard to grasp

The test was invalid. It may or may not have been correct. He may or may not have been juicing then. And he's only admitted to making mistakes.

Fill in with whatever assumptions you want, but just recognize they're assumptions and not facts.

True they are not facts but pretty good assumptions since Braun just took a 65 game suspension and 3.4 million dollar salary hit. Braun doesn't do that if MLB doesn't have factual evidence against him.

Plenty of innocent people take plea deals in our legal system. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that his action in taking the plea deal doesn't automatically mean he's actually guilty.

Just catching up on this.

 

[Christo]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Holy hell. Going to need a backhoe to dig his head out of the sand...

His point on not knowing for sure how it affects them or how much more batters over pitchers is not that out there.

Its obviously a benefit...to what extent seems to be ore of the question.

He still seems quite misguided in all of this.

He's the epitome of scumbag defense atty that can't separate the court of public opinion from the court of law.

EVERYTHING is a court battle to him. I can see him at his keyboard screaming 'INADMISSABLE!' and 'I OBJECT!' at about 75% of the posts in this thread.

He's worse than Christo by 100,000%. Of course dpark will argue that there's no proof of that either.

The defense for my stance about him being worse that Christo: At least Christo takes a moment to admire the bushes.

Actually, I'm better than Christo. I win my ifights with him.

Not only dumb, delusional too.

 

[dparker713]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

Holy hell. Going to need a backhoe to dig his head out of the sand...

His point on not knowing for sure how it affects them or how much more batters over pitchers is not that out there.

Its obviously a benefit...to what extent seems to be ore of the question.

He still seems quite misguided in all of this.

He's the epitome of scumbag defense atty that can't separate the court of public opinion from the court of law.

EVERYTHING is a court battle to him. I can see him at his keyboard screaming 'INADMISSABLE!' and 'I OBJECT!' at about 75% of the posts in this thread.

He's worse than Christo by 100,000%. Of course dpark will argue that there's no proof of that either.

The defense for my stance about him being worse that Christo: At least Christo takes a moment to admire the bushes.

Actually, I'm better than Christo. I win my ifights with him.

Not only dumb, delusional too.

You get a PM on this or do you have a google alert for your screen name?

 

[B-Deep]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

Again...take a hit...I have no problem with him and his reputation taking a hit.

I think that is fine.

The part Im laughing at is how offended some appear to be by Braun's lies.

Its comical.

 

[Pipes]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

Again...take a hit...I have no problem with him and his reputation taking a hit.

I think that is fine.

The part Im laughing at is how offended some appear to be by Braun's lies.

Its comical.

Well it's a combination of his lying and cheating. Speaking for myself as a Brewer fan it was upsetting it doesn't impact me personally at all. I didn't lose any sleep over it and other than making a some posts here it really isn't that offensive to me and I think for most this is just "message board outrage" With that being said I can't see myself ever cheering for that lying cheating scumbag ever again.

 

[B-Deep]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

Again...take a hit...I have no problem with him and his reputation taking a hit.

I think that is fine.

The part Im laughing at is how offended some appear to be by Braun's lies.

Its comical.

it is less offended than thinking he is a major dooshbag asswipe

he's like Lance to me.

 

[randall146]

I think pretty much everyone has re[eatedly said they are not offended by his lies, but by the particular way he chose to lie. He blamed others. He got indignant. He said "this isn't about me but everyone who has ever been wrongfully accused." [that's not the exact quote]. He essentially put himself up on a cross. Same as Lance.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

 

[Wrigley]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

Again...take a hit...I have no problem with him and his reputation taking a hit.

I think that is fine.

The part Im laughing at is how offended some appear to be by Braun's lies.

Its comical.

Dino Laurenzi Jr isn't laughing

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry for all you people that feel so betrayed and lied to...but grow a freaking sac.

Athletes lie...especially when set to lose millions of dollars.

That you were so hung up on him and his words that is pisses you off this much seems to indicate you need to take a step back from how much you are into sports.

maybe you need to not just accept lying as ok if the person is wealthy or famous enough

I don't think its ok...nor do I claim it is.

I just don't get all offended when an athlete lies to try and protect their millions of dollars.

the question is why?

is it because they are athletes, or because of the millions of dollars?

Because in the end...what does it matter that a player I don't really know lied about using drugs?

Does it affect me in any way?

It really doesn't.

nothing athletes do affects you at all

Hernandez and Vick did not affect you either

(and no this is NOT the same as those)

Some things are simply not right, and when someone willflly participates in those things it is nice to see them take a hit for it

call it justice, in a very minor way

Again...take a hit...I have no problem with him and his reputation taking a hit.

I think that is fine.

The part Im laughing at is how offended some appear to be by Braun's lies.

Its comical.

Dino Laurenzi Jr isn't laughing

Ok...maybe he should have followed protocol.

Sure...Braun was a cockgobbler to him...no doubt about that.

Also can put a lof of that on MLB...who released information on a failed drug test (which they should not have done)...as well as anyone who released the guys name.

 

[Limp Ditka]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

I seriously hope they suspend this guy WWE style.

He gets activated, comes up for his first AB.

- Lights go out in the stadium

- Bud Selig theme music (TBD) gets cued up

- Crowd goes wild

- Spotlight hits the entrance to the stands right behind homeplate

- Jumbotron shows where spotlight is shining

- Crowd keeps going wild.

- Bud emerges from the concourse, walking down the stairs.

- Bud lays the smack down, shaming him in front of his peers and the fans.

 

[The General]

Leave it to ARod to outdouche Ryan Braun.

 

[Sarnoff]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

Seriously, why? Takes the "retire due to injury" option off the table. A-Rod's getting bad advice from someone, and the Yanks should jump at the chance to activate him.

 

[Abraham]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

Seriously, why? Takes the "retire due to injury" option off the table. A-Rod's getting bad advice from someone, and the Yanks should jump at the chance to activate him.

Agreed. Part of me thinks ARod knows there is going to be a showdown with MLB and the best way to make that happen is to get on the field and back in to the literal spotlight. As long as he's rehabbing and out of the way they don't have to deal with him much. But once he gets on the field his case becomes front and center. Perhaps like a criminal defendant he'd rather not give them extra time to build their case...?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

Seriously, why? Takes the "retire due to injury" option off the table. A-Rod's getting bad advice from someone, and the Yanks should jump at the chance to activate him.

If he 'retires due to injury' the Yankees are off the hook for his salary. Of course, he'd need a legitimate injury for that to be the case otherwise it would just be retiring and him forfeiting his contract.

 

[=Smackdown=]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

I seriously hope they suspend this guy WWE style.

He gets activated, comes up for his first AB.

- Lights go out in the stadium

- Bud Selig theme music (TBD) gets cued up

- Crowd goes wild

- Spotlight hits the entrance to the stands right behind homeplate

- Jumbotron shows where spotlight is shining

- Crowd keeps going wild.

- Bud emerges from the concourse, walking down the stairs.

- Bud lays the smack down, shaming him in front of his peers and the fans.

I'm so in

 

[randall146]

If he 'retires due to injury' the Yankees are off the hook for his salary.

I thought they'd still have to pay and have it count towards the luxury tax. Part of the salary may be insured, but I thought all baseball contracts were essentially guaranteed (other than incentives). There may be exempt if he is banned from baseball though

 

[GroveDiesel]

Braun getting off the first time around was the very definition of a technicality. There is zero evidence the sample was improperly stored. Furthermore, even if it had been, there is no scientific reason that it would have been altered from a clean sample to what they measured. All the seals were still intact. There was zero evidence of tampering or even allegations of such.

The only reason he got off was because the policy was that the sample had to be sent as soon as possible. The tester thought the shipping office was closed so he held the sample overnight. There was no policy that actually prohibits holding overnight or scientific reasons why it would alter he sample. They just determined that since the shipping office was still open that it technically violated the provision that requires them to ship it as soon as possible. That's the very definition of a technicality. There is zero scientific reason/proof that the sample wasn't 100% correct. So since we know the sample was legit, all that's left is legal technicalities because the proof is irrefutable.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If he 'retires due to injury' the Yankees are off the hook for his salary.

I thought they'd still have to pay and have it count towards the luxury tax. Part of the salary may be insured, but I thought all baseball contracts were essentially guaranteed (other than incentives).There may be exempt if he is banned from baseball though

Pretty sure that is what I hear

You don't pay a retired player therefore they shouldn't count against the tax. If they retire because of injury then insurance should be picking up the contract (or at least the insured portion of it).

 

[flapgreen]

A-Rod is shameless. This guy...

 

[flapgreen]

This thread rules.