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2006 Bengals Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

Ugh, I guess I really have to add another loser to my ignore list.

Let's start talking about what the deal is with the 3-4 or whatever defense they will be using this year. It seems Lewis is thinking about it, and I hope they don't. I don't think they have the personal yet.

 
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My guess is it'll be situational and not base SF&SC.

The last 3 draft picks make a little more sense with the Penn State kid's designation being switched to DB. The two main things that came through this draft (and really have throughout Marvin's drafts) are speed and versatility. I get the feeling that within a couple years the sets the Bengals will run on defense will really give the opposition fits, with players lining up in a lot of different ways and with speed mismatches leading to opportunities for TOs. :excited:

-QG

 
I'm not understanding why Rucker is being touted as such a bad character. Making fun of all the other poor characters on the Bengals is obviously fair game and I worry sometimes about whether or not Lewis still has the same grip on this team.. but seriously, why does everybody seem to be criticizing the Rucker pick? If someone can find a history of him having character issues, I'd like to see it, because I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

Also, I hated the Rucker pick when I first saw it, especially given his NFL prospect grades. But it would seem that the Bengals drafted him to play middle linebacker in a 3-4 defense, which is pretty cool. He's pretty much worthless as a defensive end, so I have to think that the Bengals will be introducing some 3-4 alignments this year. The only thing that concerns me with them running the 3-4 is that they don't seem to have the personnel to fill the defensive end roles in that defense.

 
If Palmer is ready for the start of this season I think we can play with anybody this season. Latest reports I've heard say he could be ready to play in the first preseason game :thumbup:

 
"As Art Shell's demand for more team discipline has risen, some close to the Raiders have indicated that WR Jerry Porter's discontent has mounted as well. This has evidently prompted Raiders management to 'dangle Porter as trade bait.' "

Ooh! Ooh! Sign him up! You can never have too many malcontent, maladjusted, sociopath wide receivers from West Virginia.

 
If nothing else the Bengals will keep the Cincy police busy.

Updated: July 17, 2006, 2:01 PM ET

Arrests, suspensions threaten team chemistryBy John Clayton

ESPN.com

Raw talent in professional sports can be a dangerous tease.

The Bengals are just the latest franchise seduced. After more than a decade of futility, the Bengals became a player in the NFL, thanks to the vision of head coach Marvin Lewis. Lewis updated a franchise that fell ridiculously behind in the times. He weeded out malcontents. He brought in veterans from winning teams as leaders. His credibility around the sport has allowed Cincinnati to become more of a factor during free agency.

The Bengals won the AFC North last season with 11 victories and should be a regular playoff contender as long as they keep quarterback Carson Palmer healthy. But to get to the next level, the organization has fallen victim to the tease of raw talent. In the past 17 months, the Bengals used five draft choices -- including one second- and three third-rounders -- on players with questionable character, and some who have since had run-ins with the law.

The Bengals have rolled the dice with their drafting practices and there are plenty of unknowns. Will there be more suspensions in the next year? Can teammates count on these players in crunch time? When will the fans tire of the negative stories? How much of a distraction will future problems cause?

Wide receiver Chris Henry, drafted in 2005, has been arrested four times in the past year. Middle linebacker Odell Thurman, also an '05 draftee, was suspended for four games last week because of violations of the substance abuse policy. Their third-round choice this year, defensive end Frostee Rucker, was charged last month with two counts of spousal battery and vandalism. Fifth-round choice A.J. Nicholson, who had a history of off-field problems at Florida State, was charged last month with burglarizing the apartment of a former teammate.

On Thursday, the Bengals used next year's third-round choice on linebacker Ahmad Brooks, who had three reported marijuana incidents and other problems at Virginia. Though considered a first-round talent, Brooks was available because Virginia kicked him off the team.

Not since the heyday of the NBA's Portland Jail Blazers has a franchise defied the character questions this much. The Trail Blazers kept drafting lottery picks with character problems. Fans became outraged at the constant headlines of arrests and misdeeds and turned on the team. You remember the jokes. Their team charter was ConAir.

The Bengals have put themselves on the same mantel for criticism. Team president Mike Brown, who was silent through the offseason of turmoil, responded to the calls for explanations by issuing the following statement Friday: "We want our fans to know that we share their concerns regarding the recent off-field conduct of several Bengals players. We expect our players to be good citizens, as most are, and we hold them accountable for their conduct under team and league rules. We are closely monitoring these matters. All are currently pending and they will be addressed in accordance with the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, including possible disciplinary action."

Most insiders believe Brown ultimately endorsed the selection of Brooks even more than Lewis. The Bengals' gambles on athletes with character issues predates Lewis' hiring. Wide receiver Carl Pickens was a constant drain on the organization because he kept demanding to get out in a trade. He eventually dragged down the attitude of a young receiver, Darnay Scott. Corey Dillon had his problems in Cincinnati, and Lewis moved him to New England in a trade.

Some of the Bengals' woes might be a product of having one of the league's smallest scouting operations. Coaches help out more in scouting future Bengals than most other teams, and Brown views talent acquisition in simple terms: You need good players.

Problem is, some of these good players have put themselves in bad situations. Last week, the Bengals found out Thurman will miss the opening four games because of his suspension. The Bengals needed another linebacker. Brooks was more talented than any veteran free agent, and the cost was only a third-round draft choice. Brown had no problem selecting Brooks.

But it's up to Lewis to make it work, and therein lies the problem. Locker room chemistry is a tricky science. Trust is important. Can five players with questionable pasts be counted on in tough times? If they can't, problems will develop.

Look at the Thurman situation. The second-round choice from Georgia was one of the reasons for the Bengals' success last season. Though he had a history of problems, Thurman took over a leadership role on defense and gave the defense a much-needed spark. Now he's out for what might be the most critical month of the 2006 season.

The Bengals take on the Chiefs, Browns, Steelers and Patriots in the first four weeks. Each team has a good running attack, and Thurman won't be there to play. Once he returns from his suspension, he will have to win back the confidence of his teammates. That won't be easy if the Bengals get off to a 1-3 start. Finger-pointing could start, and Thurman will be an easy target.

The cure for team disharmony is winning. The Super Bowl ring can turn the worst of locker rooms into family, but locker rooms with problems need that type of success to survive. That will be Lewis' toughest task. If the Bengals can't do better than the first round of the playoffs, he will have to heal those wounds in the locker room.

Consider the Henry situation. Henry had a firearms charge in January. He pleaded guilty to marijuana charges in March -- stemming from the January arrest -- and was arrested in April for providing alcohol to underage girls. In June, he had a driving while under the influence charge. Were it not for enhanced player protection in the new collective bargaining agreement, Henry might have been released.

Lewis came out this spring and addressed the off-field problems. He handled it in his usual, well-thought-out approach that has made him a head coaching success. Lewis said the players involved in those incidents had no standing on the team and would have to win their jobs in camps.

Henry plays an important role in the offense. He's a talented third receiver. He caught 31 passes as a rookie and scored six touchdowns. He moved ahead of Kelley Washington, who was another talent who hasn't shown the consistency to be the third receiver. If Henry is cut or demoted, the Bengals will have to rely on former Packer Antonio Chatman as their third receiver.

The Trail Blazers are an interesting parallel to the Bengals. For a long time, the Blazers were successful. They made the playoffs. The Rose Garden was sold out. But the more problems became attached to the players, the more the fans grumbled. Many blamed character for the team's inability to get over the top.

Lewis' job just became tougher because of the characters drafted in the last 17 months. He has to convince these players to be on their best behavior. He has to make them accountable for their acts. In that tough environment, he has to start taking the team deeper into the playoffs.

The Bengals have rolled the dice with their drafting practices and there are plenty of unknowns. Will there be more suspensions in the next year? Can teammates count on these players in crunch time? When will the fans tire of the negative stories? How much of a distraction will future problems cause?

The Bengals finally have become a winning franchise, but this flurry of drafting players with shaky pasts has made the foundation a little less stable.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
 
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Good breakdown of the Bengals' position battles by Geoff Hobson here

Looks like there will be some interesting decisions (Reggie McNeal, Kelley Washington, Bennie Brazell, and the back end of the OL and DL to name a few).

Can't wait for Georgetown!

 
I'm not a big Corey Dillon proponent BUT he had character knocks on him coming out of school. While I didn't like his exit (and thought it was addition by subtraction) it's not because of his personal characteristics - I'm sure the Patriots would agree.

These guys will stand or fall on how they play and how that act off the field going forward. Henry was worth a risk but it's true that sometimes that risk doesn't pan out. Hopefully these guys are straightened up by Marvin and their coaches and teammates.

Of course the Steelers have such a squeaky clean image...

Steeler Arrested

Steelers Player Arrested In Florida

Ex-Steeler Accused Of Torching Chicken Plant <--- Best Headline Ever!

And Of Course Fan Of The Year ----> Man arrested, told women he was Steeler QB

-QG
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Holy cow. A speeding ticket, stuff about FORMER players, and a Roethlisberger impersonator? Come on, dude.

 
If nothing else the Bengals will keep the Cincy police busy.

Updated: July 17, 2006, 2:01 PM ET

Arrests, suspensions threaten team chemistryBy John Clayton

ESPN.com

The Bengals have rolled the dice with their drafting practices and there are plenty of unknowns. Will there be more suspensions in the next year? Can teammates count on these players in crunch time? When will the fans tire of the negative stories? How much of a distraction will future problems cause?
This is all I've been saying all along. Every time I do, the Bengals fans jump up and try to point fingers at transgressions by Steelrs players, but that's not the point. the Bengals are taking risks by drafting the players they draft. Sometimes it works out (Odell last year), sometimes it doesn't (Odell this year so far.)You either have to embrace this attitude and hope for the best, (live by the sword........) or condemn it. Period.

 
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Grin- PFT agrees.

POSTED 9:22 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 10:16 a.m. EDT, July 25, 2006LEWIS LOSING HIS TEAM?A source close to one of the members of the Cincinnati Bengals who doesn't have a criminal record tells us that the locker room in the Queen City is dangerously close to revolting against head coach Marvin Lewis based on his collection and coddling of players with questionable backgrounds.And the source says that the growing resentment traces to (you guessed it) the locker room brouhaha involving receiver Chad Johnson, receivers coach Hue Jackson, and Lewis, which erupted moments before the team took the field for the second half of the playoff game against the Steelers.Though Johnson has yet to be arrested, the perception within the team was and is that he does his own thing and gets his own way and Lewis lets him. It's a dangerous message to send to the guys to whom a different set of rules apply.The offseason has only exacerbated the situation, per the source. With the addition of guys like Frostee Rucker, A.J. Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks and the continuing problems of guys like Chris Henry and Odell Thurman, many of the non-turds on the team are convinced that Lewis doesn't care about character.As a result, we still think that Lewis needs to stand up and take decisive action against one of the guys who has done things that he shouldn't have done. Instead, recent comments from Marvin indicate that, like a mom who's convinced that her baby would "never do something like that," the head coach will never acknowledge the possibility that one of his players might really and truly be a piece of poop.Asked by Mark Curnutte of the Cincinnati Enquirer whether Henry is worth the trouble Lewis said, "It's not clear . . . let's see what trouble he is in. Don't prejudge him. You can't prejudge him."But it's not "prejudging" if the concern is Henry's propensity for getting himself into the back seat of a cruiser. He's accomplished that feat four times since December. Regardless of whether he's ultimately convicted or pleads guilty to any of the charges, a guy who continuously gets arrested is a problem.Still, teams like the Bengals hide behind concepts such as "presumption of innocence" as a means for overlooking the fact that, at a minimum, men like Henry put themselves in the wrong place at too many wrong times. Whether he goes to jail is a matter between Henry and the various jurisdictions in which criminal charges are pending. Whether his employer, which among other things should be concerned about the public perception of its product, is going to tolerate a string of arrests is a different issue.So by declining to prejudge the question of whether Henry is actually guilty, Lewis and the Bengals implicitly are conceding that they don't care about guys getting arrested.And if they don't care about guys getting arrested, they don't care about character. And if (as we're now told) the guys who don't get arrested four times in six months don't like it, there will be problems in 2006, and beyond.
 
Some good news for Bengals fans:

Updated: July 25, 2006, 4:42 PM ET

Bengals, Levi Jones agree on $40 million extension

By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

Cincinnati Bengals left offensive tackle Levi Jones has reached agreement on a six-year contract extension through the 2012 season. The extension is worth slightly more than $40 million and includes $16.3 million in guarantees.

Jones was entering the final year of his original rookie contract and would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring without the extension.

Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com.
 
The Levi signing is very good news. If we can somehow get Steinbach done I think we're set (it hurts me to say Big Willie will be odd man out, but I'm being realistic with the salaries already in place and we now have an heir apparent with this year's draft pick.

As for the dudes who are hell bent on wearing a different set of stripes, we'll see what the roster looks like on opening day - it's a little dicey getting rid of 'em straight up because of the collective bargaining agreement. Askew is probably gone and I still think Henry will be out too when all is said and done.

-QG

 
Yeah I have to say that Willie probably won't be around much longer and Whitman is looking like the guy to replace him. Steinbach is very important to lock up I'd say. I was very excited to see Levi get his. These kind of signings are what the organization has needed for a long time. Reward those who have proven themselves.

As for all of the arrests and whatnot...I really don't care too much. I'd still like to see Henry play next year for us. I don't care if has ruined his image or the team's image or whatever. It's not a Miss Universe contest, there is no character judgment portion, and as far as I'm concerned football players are supposed to be good at football. Sure he's done some really stupid things that many wouldn't even dream of doing, but does it really matter?

 
Grin- PFT agrees.

POSTED 9:22 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 10:16 a.m. EDT, July 25, 2006

LEWIS LOSING HIS TEAM?

A source close to one of the members of the Cincinnati Bengals who doesn't have a criminal record tells us that the locker room in the Queen City is dangerously close to revolting against head coach Marvin Lewis based on his collection and coddling of players with questionable backgrounds.

And the source says that the growing resentment traces to (you guessed it) the locker room brouhaha involving receiver Chad Johnson, receivers coach Hue Jackson, and Lewis, which erupted moments before the team took the field for the second half of the playoff game against the Steelers.

Though Johnson has yet to be arrested, the perception within the team was and is that he does his own thing and gets his own way and Lewis lets him. It's a dangerous message to send to the guys to whom a different set of rules apply.

The offseason has only exacerbated the situation, per the source. With the addition of guys like Frostee Rucker, A.J. Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks and the continuing problems of guys like Chris Henry and Odell Thurman, many of the non-turds on the team are convinced that Lewis doesn't care about character.

As a result, we still think that Lewis needs to stand up and take decisive action against one of the guys who has done things that he shouldn't have done. Instead, recent comments from Marvin indicate that, like a mom who's convinced that her baby would "never do something like that," the head coach will never acknowledge the possibility that one of his players might really and truly be a piece of poop.

Asked by Mark Curnutte of the Cincinnati Enquirer whether Henry is worth the trouble Lewis said, "It's not clear . . . let's see what trouble he is in. Don't prejudge him. You can't prejudge him."

But it's not "prejudging" if the concern is Henry's propensity for getting himself into the back seat of a cruiser. He's accomplished that feat four times since December. Regardless of whether he's ultimately convicted or pleads guilty to any of the charges, a guy who continuously gets arrested is a problem.

Still, teams like the Bengals hide behind concepts such as "presumption of innocence" as a means for overlooking the fact that, at a minimum, men like Henry put themselves in the wrong place at too many wrong times. Whether he goes to jail is a matter between Henry and the various jurisdictions in which criminal charges are pending. Whether his employer, which among other things should be concerned about the public perception of its product, is going to tolerate a string of arrests is a different issue.

So by declining to prejudge the question of whether Henry is actually guilty, Lewis and the Bengals implicitly are conceding that they don't care about guys getting arrested.

And if they don't care about guys getting arrested, they don't care about character.

And if (as we're now told) the guys who don't get arrested four times in six months don't like it, there will be problems in 2006, and beyond.
Does it have to be a feel-good story to be considered a fluff piece?
 
Some of the radio hosts in Cincy have said that Odell has lost 40-50lbs and has a serious meth problem. They said it was from an inside source, but I have not heard anything else on this.

 
Some of the radio hosts in Cincy have said that Odell has lost 40-50lbs and has a serious meth problem. They said it was from an inside source, but I have not heard anything else on this.
If that's true, that is an unbelievable waste of talent.What is it with people and drugs...who doesn't know that having a drug addiction is not going to end up very well.

 
Some of the radio hosts in Cincy have said that Odell has lost 40-50lbs and has a serious meth problem. They said it was from an inside source, but I have not heard anything else on this.
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