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TAMPA - Mike Alstott is certain he wants to return for an 11th NFL season.

Whether it's in a Bucs uniform is up to them.

Two days before the free-agent signing period is expected to begin, Alstott indicated Monday he might consider playing for another team if a deal can't be struck soon to finish his career in Tampa Bay.

That would seem to be a bit of a departure from his position shortly after the season ended in a wild-card playoff loss to the Redskins, when Alstott said he likely would retire rather than wear another uniform.

But with the Bucs having greatly improved their salary cap position over the past few days, Alstott wants to learn his fate before he becomes an unrestricted free agent at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

"It's got to be (soon) because free agency starts," Alstott said.

The running back, 32, is believed to be seeking a contract that would pay him about $1.5-million, the salary he earned in 2004. The Bucs have said they want Alstott back but have not closed the gap in negotiations.

Monday, Alstott sounded more agreeable to the possibility of playing for another team.

"I don't know. I haven't decided yet," Alstott said. "I'm going to take one thing at a time. I still want to be here, but you know how this business is, how the game is played. You roll the dice and see what gets out there."

Is there any question Alstott expects to play in the NFL next season?

"No question," Alstott said.

General manager Bruce Allen said Sunday night he was looking forward to meeting with Alstott, but nothing has been scheduled, according to the six-time Pro Bowl player.

"As far as the salary cap, my number doesn't matter compared to what their situation is," Alstott said. "That's the situation.

"I know they had to free up a lot of money and stuff like that, so I've just been waiting in line and have talked a little bit here and there. But there's nothing yet."

The Bucs cleared enough room under the cap to sign free-agent defensive tackle Chris Hovan to a five-year, $17.5-million contract early Monday.

Hovan, 27, said he was awoken at 12:30 a.m. to sign the deal. His contract includes $8.5-million to $10-million of guaranteed money. The deal cannot be officially signed until after the start of the new league year at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

Hovan signed a one-year contract for the league minimum last season and anchored the league's No.1 defense.

"To be part of the No.1 defense and to come back and be part of that again, that was the big selling point," Hovan said.

"This is the place I wanted to be. I wanted to be part of the No.1 defense and part of an organization that's on the cusp of winning a Super Bowl."

Hovan led Bucs defensive linemen with 64 tackles while starting all 17 games, including the playoffs.

"You have trust in each other and what each other can do, and hopefully it shows," Hovan said.

Allen said the Bucs are in compliance with the league's $94.5-million cap after restructuring the contracts of running back Michael Pittman, center John Wade, defensive tackle Anthony McFarland, tight end Anthony Becht and linebacker Derrick Brooks.

By far, Brooks provided the biggest relief, saving at least $5-million of cap space for the 2006 season. Brooks, 32 and coming off his ninth Pro Bowl, would have counted about $11.6-million against the cap had he not restructured on the eve of his 12th season.

Brooks said rumors that he might be released as a cap-saving move did not play a major factor in his willingness to restructure, though the release of popular safety John Lynch two years ago was on his mind.

"Going into it, my goals were not about the money," said Brooks, who declined to say whether he took a pay reduction. "It was about keeping players here, rewarding guys here and allowing us to be competitive in the free-agent market.

"I'm not a real big guy for signing 10 free agents, because not everybody is a Buccaneer. We've got a way of doing things and the guys who are here understand that, so let's keep those guys here."

Including Alstott.

"I really hope that gets accomplished," Brooks said. "Let's get after it again."

--Times staff writers Stephen F. Holder and Joanne Korth contributed to this report.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/07/Bucs/Her...Alstott_p.shtml

 
Rick Stroud hates the Bucs management and would like nothing more than for Alstott

to play somewhere else so he can vent his venom that Gruden and Allen never wanted to re-sign him and they're destroying Dungy's Bucs.

TAMPA - Mike Alstott is certain he wants to return for an 11th NFL season.

Whether it's in a Bucs uniform is up to them.

Two days before the free-agent signing period is expected to begin, Alstott indicated Monday he might consider playing for another team if a deal can't be struck soon to finish his career in Tampa Bay.

That would seem to be a bit of a departure from his position shortly after the season ended in a wild-card playoff loss to the Redskins, when Alstott said he likely would retire rather than wear another uniform.

But with the Bucs having greatly improved their salary cap position over the past few days, Alstott wants to learn his fate before he becomes an unrestricted free agent at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

"It's got to be (soon) because free agency starts," Alstott said.

The running back, 32, is believed to be seeking a contract that would pay him about $1.5-million, the salary he earned in 2004. The Bucs have said they want Alstott back but have not closed the gap in negotiations.

Monday, Alstott sounded more agreeable to the possibility of playing for another team.

"I don't know. I haven't decided yet," Alstott said. "I'm going to take one thing at a time. I still want to be here, but you know how this business is, how the game is played. You roll the dice and see what gets out there."

Is there any question Alstott expects to play in the NFL next season?

"No question," Alstott said.

General manager Bruce Allen said Sunday night he was looking forward to meeting with Alstott, but nothing has been scheduled, according to the six-time Pro Bowl player.

"As far as the salary cap, my number doesn't matter compared to what their situation is," Alstott said. "That's the situation.

"I know they had to free up a lot of money and stuff like that, so I've just been waiting in line and have talked a little bit here and there. But there's nothing yet."

The Bucs cleared enough room under the cap to sign free-agent defensive tackle Chris Hovan to a five-year, $17.5-million contract early Monday.

Hovan, 27, said he was awoken at 12:30 a.m. to sign the deal. His contract includes $8.5-million to $10-million of guaranteed money. The deal cannot be officially signed until after the start of the new league year at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

Hovan signed a one-year contract for the league minimum last season and anchored the league's No.1 defense.

"To be part of the No.1 defense and to come back and be part of that again, that was the big selling point," Hovan said.

"This is the place I wanted to be. I wanted to be part of the No.1 defense and part of an organization that's on the cusp of winning a Super Bowl."

Hovan led Bucs defensive linemen with 64 tackles while starting all 17 games, including the playoffs.

"You have trust in each other and what each other can do, and hopefully it shows," Hovan said.

Allen said the Bucs are in compliance with the league's $94.5-million cap after restructuring the contracts of running back Michael Pittman, center John Wade, defensive tackle Anthony McFarland, tight end Anthony Becht and linebacker Derrick Brooks.

By far, Brooks provided the biggest relief, saving at least $5-million of cap space for the 2006 season. Brooks, 32 and coming off his ninth Pro Bowl, would have counted about $11.6-million against the cap had he not restructured on the eve of his 12th season.

Brooks said rumors that he might be released as a cap-saving move did not play a major factor in his willingness to restructure, though the release of popular safety John Lynch two years ago was on his mind.

"Going into it, my goals were not about the money," said Brooks, who declined to say whether he took a pay reduction. "It was about keeping players here, rewarding guys here and allowing us to be competitive in the free-agent market.

"I'm not a real big guy for signing 10 free agents, because not everybody is a Buccaneer. We've got a way of doing things and the guys who are here understand that, so let's keep those guys here."

Including Alstott.

"I really hope that gets accomplished," Brooks said. "Let's get after it again."

--Times staff writers Stephen F. Holder and Joanne Korth contributed to this report.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/07/Bucs/Her...Alstott_p.shtml
 
Seriously, Rick Stroud needs to quit. That guy may be the worst beat-writer I've ever read.

Do you think the guys in the front office (Allen, Gruden, etc) just have a huge laugh every time he writes one of his ignorant articles?

 
From Pewter Report:

“Mike feels so strongly about [playing for the Bucs] that he won’t even entertain other offers,” said Brooks. “I really hope that gets accomplished and that Mike comes back so we can try it again.”

From Stroud:

"Alstott indicated Monday he might consider playing for another team if a deal can't be struck soon to finish his career in Tampa Bay."

Hmmm...who to believe? A longtime teammate and close friend? Or a writer with his head up Rich McKay's rear?

 
Anyone catch this by Bruce Allen?

"With the fan support that we have in this stadium, in this city and in this state, we are going to be the most attractive team for free agency whether we have a salary cap or no salary cap. We have the resources to compete either way. Just tell us what the rules are and we'll play by them."

Wonder who he's already got in mind for signings?

Here's what my list would look like if I'm Allen:

1) Kevin Shaffer, OLT Atlanta Falcons

2) Larry Tripplett, UT Indianapolis Colts

3) Adam Archuleta, SS St. Louis Rams

4) Andre' Davis, WRZ New England Patriots

5) Jamar Fletcher, NB Pittsburgh Steelers

If we can get these guys and draft well, we'll have a hell of a team next year.

It's so much fun being able to sit here and armchair GM, and then see Allen make the same moves. Must feel great being a Bucs fan about now, when you see your staff making the moves you know that your team needs.

Likewise, it's got to be frustrating being a Bills or Lions fan, where your team just constantly does bonehead things.

Honestly, I don't see how we can't get all five of those guys.

 
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O LINE O LINE O LINE

I honestly don't care if they don't upgrade any other position this year, other than WR. Safety is fine with Allen-Phillips, LB is better than I think most suggest and the dline depth is better than most, especially if Swires and Wyms don't get cut (which it appears they won't).

Just get 1-2 new players to compete for RT, and I'm good. Seriously.

 
O LINE O LINE O LINE

I honestly don't care if they don't upgrade any other position this year, other than WR. Safety is fine with Allen-Phillips, LB is better than I think most suggest and the dline depth is better than most, especially if Swires and Wyms don't get cut (which it appears they won't).

Just get 1-2 new players to compete for RT, and I'm good. Seriously.
Phillips is a wash.... he's very lucky he hasn't been exposed to be much worse. Archuleta would be a fantastic signing. Tripplett would likely be a backup that sees significant playing time, and with McFarland's knack for injuries, probably will end up starting at some point. The Bucs also need a decent third corner, since they never can seem to keep one.I really don't think OL is that big of a need at all, considering that Davis, Buenning, Wade and Mahan all looked solid last year. They will only be better with another year together, and adding a young stud like Shaffer will complete that line for probably the next 3 years (or until Mahan replaces Wade and someone comes in at RG)...

What I think is funny is when everyone at buccaneers.com is talking about signing Jon Runyan. That's so far from going to happen....

 
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Bucs just gave Bolden a sizeable contract. He's the third corner, like it or lump it.

(I didn't like it)

 
Bucs just gave Bolden a sizeable contract. He's the third corner, like it or lump it.

(I didn't like it)
I thought I heard something about this.... do you have a link or the details or more info to details of the contract? Would help in understanding why they re-signed that bum.
 
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Derrick Brooks declined to say whether he took a pay cut with the restructuring of his contract. Turns out, he was merely being modest.

The most decorated player in Bucs history, Brooks will forego almost $12-million in salary over the next two seasons, according to details in his reworked contract obtained by the St. Petersburg Times.

Brooks was slated to be the team's highest-paid player, but he restructured his contract to help the team get below the salary cap by tonight's midnight deadline. All of the $4.75-million in 2006 cap space the team clears with the new contract comes directly from Brooks' base salary, which drops from $7.75-million to $3-million.

Brooks was scheduled to earn a base salary of $10-million in 2007, $11-million in 2008 and $12-million in 2009. Under the reworked contract, Brooks will earn $3-million annually in base salary through 2009, plus $100,000 annually in "likely-to-be-earned incentives." The deal includes no signing bonus, though it calls for his entire 2006 salary and $2-million in 2007 to be guaranteed.

Another benefit for Brooks is that the contract's structure makes it a virtual certainty he will finish his career where it began - in Tampa Bay. Though his cap number stands at $6.9-million this season, it drops to approximately $3.85-million for the final three seasons of the deal, a very acceptable number for the franchise.

"As I talk to more and more people around the league, they feel the same way I do about me in Tampa: It's hard not to put the two together," Brooks said Monday. "It was a real big key in doing it."

It's possible the team would have been forced to waive Brooks had he not agreed to restructure and lower his cap number for this season ($11.65-million) or beyond. But that might not have been a negative for Brooks. The nine-time Pro Bowl selection who turns 33 next month could have commanded substantially more money on the free-agent market, particularly if a deal can be reached on a collective bargaining agreement. That development would result in an increase in the salary cap.

Instead, Brooks' sizable concessions were driven by his desire to stay in Tampa Bay, where he has consistently heard pleas in recent weeks that he find a way to stay with the Bucs.

"I was very humbled by the support," Brooks said. "This community, honestly, has treated my family and myself very well, and that was important to us, to stay here in Tampa. I continue to pray that that will continue to be the situation."

As a point of reference, the Bucs have agreed to a contract with defensive tackle Chris Hovan that will pay him an average of $3.5-million for five years, with as much as $10-million of it guaranteed. Brooks' agreement went a long way toward making the Hovan deal possible.

Brooks' sacrifices also improve the chances of other players returning, even quarterback Brian Griese. General manager Bruce Allen indicated in a radio interview Tuesday that Griese may be let go but still might find his way back to the Bucs.

"It might turn out he'll want to be a free agent for a few days or so and still come back to the Bucs," Allen said.

The Bucs would save more than $4.5-million if they release Griese before the start of free agency. If he is released, he would become a free agent and could gauge the market for interest before determining whether to rejoin the Bucs.

The likelihood of fullback Mike Alstott returning seems to increase by the day. Alstott met with Allen on Monday in a rare move for a player whose representatives are negotiating with a team. But Alstott's agents felt it was a unique situation and encouraged him to hear what Allen had to say.

"Bruce did not want to talk to Mike about a contract," agent Ben Dogra said. "He just wanted to explain the issues to him and (reiterate) that they want him back for 2006."

Alstott's hopes of returning for an 11th season would improve significantly if a CBA can be negotiated, thereby freeing up more cash for the Bucs.

In other free-agency news, kicker Matt Bryant, still a prime target of the Bucs, has decided to test the market, according to his agent. Bryant has not ruled out a return, though the Bucs might be enticed by Green Bay free agent Ryan Longwell, whose former holder is Bucs punter Josh Bidwell.
Link :shock:

Having Brooks on the team for the next three years with less than a $4 million cap hit. Amazing!

 
FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday. For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....

 
What is there o say other than people want to play in Tampa.

-Excelent coaching staff :thumbup:

-Bruce Almighty as GM :thumbup:

-Fairly new stadium :thumbup:

-Brand new training facilities to open at start of season :thumbup:

-Owner that isn't afraid to spend :thumbup:

-FL sunshine :thumbup:

-Cap situation finally recovering from Rich Mckay :thumbup:

Besides, DB has plenty of money. I think he likes the idea of having a solid team that can compete for the next 3 years. With him, Hovan, Booger, Clayton (if he can rebound), and Caddy locked in for a long time this is a good start.

The best part is that Bruce said the Buc's will be able to compete with or without a cap. That means he is not worried about Malcoms willingness to spend :thumbup:

You really do have to hand it to Malcom Glazier. He made the Buc's one of the top 10 most valuable franchises over night. :thumbup: Well, the tax payers helped out with the stadium, but he put the pirate ship and paid for the training facilities. :thumbup:

 
FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday. For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....
Hmmm is right. Where did you hear this?
 
FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday.  For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....
Hmmm is right. Where did you hear this?
Someone I know bumped into him. No link..I know...but a reliable source to me.Haven't the Ravens said they wanted a #1 for him? If so, I would much rather see the Bucs spend $$ on the offense...

 
FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday.  For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....
Hmmm is right. Where did you hear this?
Someone I know bumped into him. No link..I know...but a reliable source to me.Haven't the Ravens said they wanted a #1 for him? If so, I would much rather see the Bucs spend $$ on the offense...
Well, if Quarles goes he could be an option. Everyone knows Monte Kiffen's D starts with the LB's so I wouldn't be surprised if we made a run for him. It all depends if he wants to go where the money is or if he wants to win.I agree, we need to focus on the offense. But Ray Lewis and DB would = Dynasty.

 
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http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.a...section=journal

 
Pewter Report says Brad Hopkins will be in Tampa to see the Bucs FO on Thursday.
He has already met with them. Only UFAs to be have to wait until Thursday. Because he was released, he can sign whenever he wants.Doubt that Bucs sign him.... he'll likely command $4-5M/yr, and for a 13yr veteran, given the recent failures of Todd Steussie and Derrick Deese... I really don't see it happening.

 
How's this look ;)

1.23 Sinorice Moss, WR Miami(FL)

2.55 Thomas Howard, LB UTEP

3.87 Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee

4.121 Kevin Boothe, OG Cornell

5.151 Guy Whimper, OT East Carolina

7.218 Tim Jennings, CB Georgia

Implied signings: LT (Kevin Shaffer, ATL), SS (Adam Archuleta, STL)

 
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FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday.  For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....
Hmmm is right. Where did you hear this?
Someone I know bumped into him. No link..I know...but a reliable source to me.Haven't the Ravens said they wanted a #1 for him? If so, I would much rather see the Bucs spend $$ on the offense...
Isn't he from Lakeland or something? I wouldn't look too much into that, the Bucs aren't going to give up a high draft pick for a 32-year-old linebacker.
 
FYI...Ray Lewis was spotted at International Mall yesterday.  For those who don't know, the mall is adjacent to One Buc Place.

Hmmm.....
Hmmm is right. Where did you hear this?
Someone I know bumped into him. No link..I know...but a reliable source to me.Haven't the Ravens said they wanted a #1 for him? If so, I would much rather see the Bucs spend $$ on the offense...
Isn't he from Lakeland or something? I wouldn't look too much into that, the Bucs aren't going to give up a high draft pick for a 32-year-old linebacker.
Not to mention considering they have Quarles and Ruud at MLB.A guy can't go shopping at the international mall? It's a pretty awesome mall....

 
Here's an article about Chris Simms and his situation now that the CBA is signed and he can become an UFA after 4 years:

http://www.tbo.com/sports/bucs/MGBRTEYLKKE.html
Yeah, that's because he's a RFA this year, and they re-signed him to a one-year deal.What you are referring to is going to affect players drafted this year and on.

It looks like Griese might stay this year... expensive backup? Good insurance though.

 
Here's an article about Chris Simms and his situation now that the CBA is signed and he can become an UFA after 4 years:

http://www.tbo.com/sports/bucs/MGBRTEYLKKE.html
Yeah, that's because he's a RFA this year, and they re-signed him to a one-year deal.What you are referring to is going to affect players drafted this year and on.

It looks like Griese might stay this year... expensive backup? Good insurance though.
Maybe he is salivating over a chance to possibly throw to T.O. If they did land him, and Simms got hurt Griese would need to be on suicide watch.
 
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Maybe he is salivating over a chance to possibly throw to T.O. If they did land him, and Simms got hurt Griese would need to be on suicide watch.
This is just made up hogwash. The Bucs were only "interested" in T.O. when it was reported that ATL might be interested in signing him. After KC and DEN started showing interest, TO's value went up enough that ATL would have to pay more, so TB didn't have to pursue him further.It was just a ploy... why the hell would the Bucs sign Owens? Clayton is probably in line for a Pro Bowl in 2006 playing Split-End. One injury-plagued season and everybody forgets how good he is.

Changing the topic, do you think the Bucs might make a serious run at David Thornton? I could certainly see it. Of course, the Vikings and Lions would also be very likely candidates for his services, and they have deeper pockets.

How much money does he command? Sick(er) Defense if Thornton and Archuleta are picked up....

White, Hovan, McFarland, Rice

Thornton, Ruud, Brooks

Kelly, Allen, Archuleta, Barber

Every single one of those guys could make the pro bowl :D

 
On Sirus Radio yesterday, former Jets OL Jason Fabini says he will be visiting the Bucs next week and would love to be reunited with Bill Muir and play in Tampa.

 
No room for Walker in Tampa, we need a guy content with being the third receiver. Randle-El would be ideal.

As far as defense, I don't see a real need for Thornton either. The linebacking core of Brooks, Quarles, Nece, Cooper, Ruud, Gooch has a nice mix of youth and experience. Thornton will want to be a starter and Tampa doesn't have a starting position for him.

One FA I'd like to see come over here is Ryan Pickett from the Rams. He's one of those ultra-talented but somehow unmotivated guys that we've been able to bring in to the D-line in the past and make better. If we added him and let him compete with Booger for UT, then open up the competition between Spires and Wyms at LDE we'd have a very deep and energetic d-line again. I wouldn't mind seeing us chase Rocky Bernard away from Seattle either, it'd make up for them stealing Cartric Darby from us.

The only part of our defense that worries me is the backfield, where I just don't see the youth we need behind Barber and Kelly. This is where we need to invest a 3rd round pick.

On offense, it looks like the one position that Gruden alluded he'd be looking at in FA is O-line just like we all want him to. Fabini and Hopkins both scare me, as they fit the band-aid mold that we're getting so sick of. Schafer is the only FA tackle that I'd like to see here due to his youth and solid fundamentals. At guard, I'd like to see Stephen Neal show up, Mahan is better suited at center, allowing Neal to beef up our interior for Caddy.

 
No room for Walker in Tampa, we need a guy content with being the third receiver. Randle-El would be ideal.

As far as defense, I don't see a real need for Thornton either. The linebacking core of Brooks, Quarles, Nece, Cooper, Ruud, Gooch has a nice mix of youth and experience. Thornton will want to be a starter and Tampa doesn't have a starting position for him.

One FA I'd like to see come over here is Ryan Pickett from the Rams. He's one of those ultra-talented but somehow unmotivated guys that we've been able to bring in to the D-line in the past and make better. If we added him and let him compete with Booger for UT, then open up the competition between Spires and Wyms at LDE we'd have a very deep and energetic d-line again. I wouldn't mind seeing us chase Rocky Bernard away from Seattle either, it'd make up for them stealing Cartric Darby from us.

The only part of our defense that worries me is the backfield, where I just don't see the youth we need behind Barber and Kelly. This is where we need to invest a 3rd round pick.

On offense, it looks like the one position that Gruden alluded he'd be looking at in FA is O-line just like we all want him to. Fabini and Hopkins both scare me, as they fit the band-aid mold that we're getting so sick of. Schafer is the only FA tackle that I'd like to see here due to his youth and solid fundamentals. At guard, I'd like to see Stephen Neal show up, Mahan is better suited at center, allowing Neal to beef up our interior for Caddy.
I think Marinelli was responsible for much of the DL success.Speaking of the secondary, I really wouldn't be surprised if we brought in Woodson. We have Ronde & BK, but Woodson could give the front office leverage in dealing with these guys contracts when they are up.

Also, CB's can play safety in Monte's D. Ronde will probably end up at safety as he gets older anyways.

 
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Also, CB's can play safety in Monte's D.  Ronde will probably end up at safety as he gets older anyways.
You know, that is a very, very good point that I've never even considered until you just brought it up. Moving Barber to S in a three years or so....
 
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I am hearing we are interested in Runyan. He has not missed a game in 9 years, but he is old. I really don't want to get locked in in another Steussi/ Deese like situation. Hopefully, nobody resigns Kenyatta and we can give him an contract with incentives he must earn.

Go Buc's!!! :pirate: :pirate: :pirate:

 
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I am hearing we are interested in Runyan. He has not missed a game in 9 years, but he is old. I really don't want to get locked in in another Steussi/ Deese like situation. Hopefully, nobody resigns Kenyatta and we can give him an contract with incentives he must earn.

Go Buc's!!! :pirate: :pirate: :pirate:
I'd like to see the Bucs re-sign Walker.I bet you my house that Runyan will not be a Buc. It's a homer rumor that has been growing legs of its own.

If Runyan signs, he would play LT. That means Davis would be out of work. Davis is a solid starter at LT and he is younger. Runyan will not be an upgrade.

Homers argue that Davis will just move inside to guard. But he can only play LG, where Dan Buenning already is. So in signing Runyan, we'd basically just be adding depth, and would still be in need of a RT.

The whole reason Bucs homers want Runyan is because he played RT in Philadelphia. Well, the Bucs' offense is flip-flopped, and we need a LT, not a RT.

Walker would be solid, and I really hope we can get him back, because if not, they'll end up sinking their first round pick into a tackle like Eric Winston. Not a bad move by any means, but I would much rather get a guy like Sinorice Moss with that No.1 :)

 
I don't get what you're saying ML...Runyan is a RT, he would just step in there for Kenyatta. Davis would stay at LT.

Kenyatta isn't coming back. I feel pretty confident in saying that.

 
I don't get what you're saying ML...Runyan is a RT, he would just step in there for Kenyatta. Davis would stay at LT.

Kenyatta isn't coming back. I feel pretty confident in saying that.
The location is on the right side. That's the only similarity between what he does and the position that we need.Basically, your average offensive line looks like this (minus the center since that's irrelevant to our discussion):

LT - nimble and athletic lineman, plays on the weak side, usually a few pounds undersized but not necessarily. He needs to protect the QB's blindside and be able to hold his own against elite pass rushers one on one. He defends. You always hear about the "franchise left tackles." That's why, these guys are the only thing between Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney and the QB. 295-315 range.

LG - nimble and athletic lineman, plays on the weak side, usually a few pounds undersized but not necessarily. He needs to be great at pulling and also be quick enough to react to any potential penetration. He defense. 295-310 range.

C - well, the center. Usually the smallest guy on the team, though not always. 290-310 range.

RG - oversized and overpoweringplays on the strong side, outweighs LG usually by 15-25lbs. That extra mass is all muscle. He attacks. Frequently the biggest lineman on the team. 315-340 range.

RT - oversized and overpowering, plays on the strong side. That extra mass comes at the cost of being able to react as quickly, but since he plays on the strong side, it's not as important as the left side. RT's main skills suit the rushing attack. He needs to be big enough to move ANYONE out of the way in a split second one on one and open up a hole for the RB. Usually you hear about these guys in the drafts as "not athletic enough to play left side..." or what have you. 315-345 range.

Now, Simms is left-handed and Cadillac is left-handed. The reason the line was shaped the way it is last year was to suit the running game. It's just a personal preference for the Bucs.

Anyway, notice how our line looked last year:

LT - Anthony Davis - 6'4 322

LG - Dan Buenning - 6'4 320

C - John Wade - 6'5 299

RG - Sean Mahan - 6'3 301

RT - Kenyatta Walker - 6'5 302

You can see where the weight is on this team, the left side. That's because the left side was where we wanted to run the ball with Cadillac all of last year.

You know how everybody talks about Dan Buenning is so great this and that? Well he is, but it's also because nearly every highlight of him is him clearing a hole for Cadillac. As a pass-blocker, he's adequate at best, but as a run blocker, he's already establishing himself as one of the best guards in the league.

What the Bucs need is a solid LT. Walker is nothing special, but he was solid last year. I'd like to see them bring him back, because if nothing else, it brings continuity back to the OL.

If not, with Shaffer being off the books, it is really down to Tom Ashworth, Day 1 of the draft, and Chris Colmer.

Jon Runyan is that prototype RT. He is a strong side run-blocker. That translates to LT in our OL. If you have two strong-side tackles, you'd be a team like Pittsburgh or Baltimore, who just run the football constantly and have the two meatiest OLs in football.

Anyway, ask yourself if Runyan in his 10th year at $3M a year is worth more than Anthony Davis in his 3rd year of the system, 2nd as a starter and who is still developing and getting better.

That's why the Bucs brought in Brad Hopkins, who played LT for 13 years for the Oilers/Titans. He's 6'3 305. He's probably got a solid year left, which would be enough to either a) draft a day 1 tackle and develop him, or b) get Colmer ready to play in his 3rd year.

Will they sign Hopkins? Who knows... I think it is more of a contingency plan than a first choice.

If I'm the Bucs' GM, my RT plans look like this:

1) Kevin Shaffer (Signed with Browns)

2) Re-sign Kenyatta Walker (coin flip at best)

3) Tom Ashworth (good chance if he gets by NYJ without a contract)

4) Round 1 of Draft (Eric Winston targeted)

5) Round 2 of Draft (Daryn Colledge targeted)

6) Veteran FA (Brad Hopkins, Jason Fabini), Day 2 of Draft (Guy Whimper targeted)

7) Veteran FA, Chris Colmer (he's probably getting there, but I don't see him being ready yet)

8) Chris Colmer, Depth FA (Rex Tucker, Marc Colombo), Round 5,7 of Draft (Pat McQuistan)

Hope that cleared things up for ya. :football:

 
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There were a bunch of people #####in when Alstott didn't see any action at the begining of last season. When he finally got his chance I think he did better than Gruden expected. I don't think Alstott is in Grudens long term plans, but how can he not give the fans the A-Train on the goal line.

 
I don't get what you're saying ML...Runyan is a RT, he would just step in there for Kenyatta. Davis would stay at LT.

Kenyatta isn't coming back. I feel pretty confident in saying that.
The location is on the right side. That's the only similarity between what he does and the position that we need.Basically, your average offensive line looks like this (minus the center since that's irrelevant to our discussion):

LT - nimble and athletic lineman, plays on the weak side, usually a few pounds undersized but not necessarily. He needs to protect the QB's blindside and be able to hold his own against elite pass rushers one on one. He defends. You always hear about the "franchise left tackles." That's why, these guys are the only thing between Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney and the QB. 295-315 range.

LG - nimble and athletic lineman, plays on the weak side, usually a few pounds undersized but not necessarily. He needs to be great at pulling and also be quick enough to react to any potential penetration. He defense. 295-310 range.

C - well, the center. Usually the smallest guy on the team, though not always. 290-310 range.

RG - oversized and overpoweringplays on the strong side, outweighs LG usually by 15-25lbs. That extra mass is all muscle. He attacks. Frequently the biggest lineman on the team. 315-340 range.

RT - oversized and overpowering, plays on the strong side. That extra mass comes at the cost of being able to react as quickly, but since he plays on the strong side, it's not as important as the left side. RT's main skills suit the rushing attack. He needs to be big enough to move ANYONE out of the way in a split second one on one and open up a hole for the RB. Usually you hear about these guys in the drafts as "not athletic enough to play left side..." or what have you. 315-345 range.

Now, Simms is left-handed and Cadillac is left-handed. The reason the line was shaped the way it is last year was to suit the running game. It's just a personal preference for the Bucs.

Anyway, notice how our line looked last year:

LT - Anthony Davis - 6'4 322

LG - Dan Buenning - 6'4 320

C - John Wade - 6'5 299

RG - Sean Mahan - 6'3 301

RT - Kenyatta Walker - 6'5 302

You can see where the weight is on this team, the left side. That's because the left side was where we wanted to run the ball with Cadillac all of last year.

You know how everybody talks about Dan Buenning is so great this and that? Well he is, but it's also because nearly every highlight of him is him clearing a hole for Cadillac. As a pass-blocker, he's adequate at best, but as a run blocker, he's already establishing himself as one of the best guards in the league.

What the Bucs need is a solid LT. Walker is nothing special, but he was solid last year. I'd like to see them bring him back, because if nothing else, it brings continuity back to the OL.

If not, with Shaffer being off the books, it is really down to Tom Ashworth, Day 1 of the draft, and Chris Colmer.

Jon Runyan is that prototype RT. He is a strong side run-blocker. That translates to LT in our OL. If you have two strong-side tackles, you'd be a team like Pittsburgh or Baltimore, who just run the football constantly and have the two meatiest OLs in football.

Anyway, ask yourself if Runyan in his 10th year at $3M a year is worth more than Anthony Davis in his 3rd year of the system, 2nd as a starter and who is still developing and getting better.

That's why the Bucs brought in Brad Hopkins, who played LT for 13 years for the Oilers/Titans. He's 6'3 305. He's probably got a solid year left, which would be enough to either a) draft a day 1 tackle and develop him, or b) get Colmer ready to play in his 3rd year.

Will they sign Hopkins? Who knows... I think it is more of a contingency plan than a first choice.

If I'm the Bucs' GM, my RT plans look like this:

1) Kevin Shaffer (Signed with Browns)

2) Re-sign Kenyatta Walker (coin flip at best)

3) Tom Ashworth (good chance if he gets by NYJ without a contract)

4) Round 1 of Draft (Eric Winston targeted)

5) Round 2 of Draft (Daryn Colledge targeted)

6) Veteran FA (Brad Hopkins, Jason Fabini), Day 2 of Draft (Guy Whimper targeted)

7) Veteran FA, Chris Colmer (he's probably getting there, but I don't see him being ready yet)

8) Chris Colmer, Depth FA (Rex Tucker, Marc Colombo), Round 5,7 of Draft (Pat McQuistan)

Hope that cleared things up for ya. :football:
Thanks for the lesson on offensive lines. :loco: Some of us played the game once, you know. As for who they will or should sign, I just imagine that Kenyatta isn't going to be high on their bring-back list. He's been inconsistent at best, prone to huge mental mistakes and seems disinterested half the time. Whether they bring in another vet like Hopkins or target somebody younger, I dunno.

Davis is weak at pass-blocking. Maybe one of the worst pass-blocking tackles in the league. He's a run-blocking monster though. There's no way they are going to move him over to Simms' blind-side. It wouldn't make sense.

 
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