2006 WR class vs. the 2007 class (1 Viewer)

[-OZ-]

We all know the 2006 WR class did not look good entering the draft. Some liked what they saw from Chad Jackson, others thought Holmes, Brandon Marshall or Sinorice Moss would turn into something decent, but they haven't made a splash yet.

On the other hand, Greg Jennings and Colston have exploded on to the scene.

Next year's WR class looks promising. Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Sydney Rice and Jeff Samardzija might all go in the 1st round, and I'm sure there are others. I haven't been able to scout Rice or Jarrett, and when I've watched Notre Dame, Samardzija hasn't made an impression on me, but he's highly touted by others.

Overall, (without knowing where they'll be drafted) can you rank the 2006 and 2007 WRs' FF value? (In other words, if you could trade a 07 1st that would land you Johnson for Jennings, would you? etc.) Value as of today and then long term.

My first thoughts are for right now:

Jennings

Colston

C. Johnson

Jarrett

S. Rice

C. Jackson

Holmes

Ginn

Si. Moss

Thoughts?

 

[coolnerd]

Clear elite talent w/o any apparent warts

Calvin Johnson is on a tier by himself. should go top 5 under any scoring format and top 2 or 3 in many.

Physical talent to be a clear NFL 1, but some warts

Jarrett

Ginn

Solid NFL players looking to have long careers, but maybe not an elite fantasy number 1,

Jennings

Colston

Physical talent, plenty of concerns (boom or bust)

Rice

C. Jackson

Holmes

Should not be in this conversasion

Si. Moss

 

[TLEF316]

jennings and colston have done well, but there is no way im putting them above calvin johnson in any kind of long term rankings. Id probably take jarrett over both of them also.

Colston has done well, but could be a flash in the pan. Jennings has also been very good, but who knows what the future holds in Green Bay. IMO, his value will drop alot once Aaron Rogers takes the reigns in GB. Im not saying that jarrett or calvin johnson are sure things, but they are sure first round (probably top 10) talents. IMO, that puts them ahead of guys who werent first round picks after just 5 games.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Jennings has also been very good, but who knows what the future holds in Green Bay.

I hear this a lot, but if you think Jennings is good, I don't get it. Good wr's do well even with average to crappy Qb's: see Chad Johnson with John Kitna, Boldin with Blake and McCown, Bruce and Holt with jamie Matin, Santana Moss with Mark Brunell, Galloway with Simms, etc. I think that good wr's just get theirs.

 

[TLEF316]

Jennings has also been very good, but who knows what the future holds in Green Bay.

I hear this a lot, but if you think Jennings is good, I don't get it. Good wr's do well even with average to crappy Qb's: see Chad Johnson with John Kitna, Boldin with Blake and McCown, Bruce and Holt with jamie Matin, Santana Moss with Mark Brunell, Galloway with Simms, etc. I think that good wr's just get theirs.

how's randy moss doing? how about the various 1st round WR's the falcons have drafted recently?im not saying talent doesnt have something( hell, even alot) to do with it. But you cant be serious if you expect a seemless transition from one of the greatest gun slingers of all time to an unproven QB who comes from a college system that has produced several complete busts at the NFL level.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Jennings has also been very good, but who knows what the future holds in Green Bay.

I hear this a lot, but if you think Jennings is good, I don't get it. Good wr's do well even with average to crappy Qb's: see Chad Johnson with John Kitna, Boldin with Blake and McCown, Bruce and Holt with jamie Matin, Santana Moss with Mark Brunell, Galloway with Simms, etc. I think that good wr's just get theirs.

how's randy moss doing? how about the various 1st round WR's the falcons have drafted recently?im not saying talent doesnt have something( hell, even alot) to do with it. But you cant be serious if you expect a seemless transition from one of the greatest gun slingers of all time to an unproven QB who comes from a college system that has produced several complete busts at the NFL level.

Randy Moss did fine in Minnesota whenever Ferrotte, Bouman, or Jeff George was throwing the ball. He was great. Now, he has been hurt and in a terrible and outdated offensive system. I expect the Packer system will stay keep the same system. The Atlanta situation is not the same at all, because those guys never produced at an NFL level. It is unclear whether Vick is the problem or simply they are not very good. So, none of those are reasonable comparisons. I think I can give far more examples of good wr's who have done fine with mediocre QB's (in the same system) than you can give of guys who put up great numbers and then fell off with a new QB, but stayed in the same system. What often happens is guys like Peerless Price go to a new system and don't produce as well.

 

[TLEF316]

i guess we'll just agree to disagree. However, i think its a little early to determine that Greg Jennings has had sucess at the NFL level. he's had a nice start, but 5 games dont make a career.

Rogers hasnt proven a thing yet. We dont even know if he can be a capable backup, let alone a starter. Ill take my chances with the Gus Ferrottes of the world over an unproven guy from a college system with big time bust history.

As far as vick goes, i havent seen too many people on these forums blaming the WR's for Atlanta's subpar air attack. If you want to make the argument that michael Jenkins and roddy white are the problem, go ahead, but i think you'd be fighting an uphill battle around here.

I think Jennings is a solid player.....with an all time great passer throwing him the ball. Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Jarrett any day. I think they are elite talents, and unless one of them ends up in oakland, id take either one of them over jennings without a 2nd thought.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

i guess we'll just agree to disagree. However, i think its a little early to determine that Greg Jennings has had sucess at the NFL level. he's had a nice start, but 5 games dont make a career. Rogers hasnt proven a thing yet. We dont even know if he can be a capable backup, let alone a starter. Ill take my chances with the Gus Ferrottes of the world over an unproven guy from a college system with big time bust history. As far as vick goes, i havent seen too many people on these forums blaming the WR's for Atlanta's subpar air attack. If you want to make the argument that michael Jenkins and roddy white are the problem, go ahead, but i think you'd be fighting an uphill battle around here.I think Jennings is a solid player.....with an all time great passer throwing him the ball. Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Jarrett any day. I think they are elite talents, and unless one of them ends up in oakland, id take either one of them over jennings without a 2nd thought.

I didn't say I would take Jennings over these guys. I probably would have to think about Jarrett though. I said to someone who "Jennings has been very good." My reply is- "If you think he is good, don't worry about it." Farve is playing at a high level, but he is not playing out of his mind. Other QB's are playing as well. Guys that produce with one QB and stay with the same team often produce with another QB. Short list of good (not HOF lock like Rice, Moss, Chris Carter, Tim Brown, Torry Holt) wr's off the top off my headRod SmithEd McCafferyJimmy SmithBruceTroy Brown (until he got hurt)Art MonkJoe Horn

 

[JayMan]

Based on talent and translation of skills to the NFL (for non rookies):

--- Rare athlete - Top 3 WRs

C. Johnson

--- Great - Top 12 WRs

D. Jarrett

S. Rice

--- Good - Top 24 WRs

G. Jennings

T. Ginn

--- Starter - Top 36 WRs

C. Jackson

M. Colston

J. Samardzija

S. Holmes

--- Benchwarmers - Top 60 WRs

Si. Moss

Most intriguing cases are:

Calvin Johnson who exhibit a Fitz / Owens type of potential - based on physique / speed / strength;

Dwayne Jarrett who has the physical abilities and skills to outperform Keyshawn Johnson and Mike Williams (as USC alum and top rated WRs coming out) - does he have the same issues as those guys though?;

Sydney Rice who will develop into a better player than Troy Williamson - 6'4" sophomore - imagine the possibilities;

Tedd Ginn that could outrun Forrest Gump but has yet to master the WR position;

Greg Jennings who's mature beyond his years - already showing great moves and route running as a rookie - Derrick Mason lookalike...

 

[EBF]

I'd take Johnson over all of these guys in a heartbeat. Johnson is a beast.

I think I'd rank Jarrett #2. He has great size and deceptive speed/quickness. The only concern with him is streaky hands. He'll make some great catches, but he'll also drop some easy ones. Plaxico Burress is a very fair comparison.

Ginn is an interesting player. His speed is just sick. I think he has a higher ceiling than guys like Jennings and Colston, but he hasn't proven anything at the pro level. For now, I'd probably lump Jennings and Ginn together in a third tier behind Johnson and Jarrett.

I still haven't done my homework on Rice, so I'll refrain from ranking him.

Chad Jackson and Derek Hagan are two underrated rookie WRs. I like their long-term potential quite a bit. Not sure if I'd trade either for Colston, as crazy as that might sound.

 

[walkmac]

jennings and colston have done well, but there is no way im putting them above calvin johnson in any kind of long term rankings. Id probably take jarrett over both of them also.

Jennings is on pace for 64/1165/10, Colston is on pace for 74/1196/10, and both have looked nothing short of spectacular this seaon. While I think Calvin Johnson is a tremendous talent, I think it is a little premature to anoint him above these guys at this point when he has not yet taken an NFL snap. I think the hype with Calvin Johnson is starting to get a little beyond reasonable. Given that, if he is as good a prosepect as everyone projects him to be he is going to be playing with the Raiders, Bucs (or dare we say Lions?), I doubt he puts up those type of numbers as a rookie. I realize you are projecting long term, but lets not forget he has yet to play a down of NFL football.

FWIW, the guy reminds me of Charles Rogers, and look how he turned out.

 

[EBF]

jennings and colston have done well, but there is no way im putting them above calvin johnson in any kind of long term rankings. Id probably take jarrett over both of them also.

Jennings is on pace for 64/1165/10, Colston is on pace for 74/1196/10, and both have looked nothing short of spectacular this seaon. While I think Calvin Johnson is a tremendous talent, I think it is a little premature to anoint him above these guys at this point when he has not yet taken an NFL snap. I think the hype with Calvin Johnson is starting to get a little beyond reasonable. Given that, if he is as good a prosepect as everyone projects him to be he is going to be playing with the Raiders, Bucs (or dare we say Lions?), I doubt he puts up those type of numbers as a rookie. I realize you are projecting long term, but lets not forget he has yet to play a down of NFL football.

FWIW, the guy reminds me of Charles Rogers, and look how he turned out.

The issue with Rogers wasn't talent. The guy was a moron with a bad attitude and a drug problem. I haven't heard of any such character issues with Johnson.

Also, I think you're putting too much importance on a player's early performance. A big rookie season is always a good sign, but for every Anquan Boldin or LaDainian Tomlinson there's a Michael Clayton or an Anthony Thomas. Jennings and Colston look like they can play at the NFL level. That doesn't mean they'll be stars three years from now.

 

[Kleck.]

Sidney Rice will Return to USC Next Season

Receiver Sidney Rice told South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier he will return next season. Rice, a redshirt sophomore, is eligible to enter the 2007 NFL draft because he is three years removed from high school. The 6-foot-3, 200-pound Rice could still change his mind and enter the draft where he has an outside shot at going in the first round. This shot has one USC teammate, Syvelle Newton, unconvinced he is actually going to return. “I can’t see Sidney coming back,” Newton said.

 

[TLEF316]

by the way, i was obviously dead wrong on colston for this year. i figure he would fade into WR3 territory. Obviously, he hasnt.

 

[coolnerd]

by the way, i was obviously dead wrong on colston for this year. i figure he would fade into WR3 territory. Obviously, he hasnt.

I think everyone was wrong on Colston. Heck, including the NO Saints.

 

[TLEF316]

however, i do feel better about my jennings bashing. Driver is still WR1 in GB by a longshot

 

[Biabreakable]

Colston has done well, but could be a flash in the pan.

At what point will Colston cease being a "flash"? You do realise that he is the #1 scoring Wr in the league after 9 games of "flash" right now right?So how many games does he have to keep producing before you recognise this guy is for real?I do not understand how draft position or predraft scouting has any bearing whatsoever on how a player performs in the NFL. That illogic is like me saying that because I drafted player X higher than player Y it means player X is better than player Y. Nevermind the facts.

Jennings has also been very good, but who knows what the future holds in Green Bay. IMO, his value will drop alot once Aaron Rogers takes the reigns in GB. Im not saying that jarrett or calvin johnson are sure things, but they are sure first round (probably top 10) talents. IMO, that puts them ahead of guys who werent first round picks after just 5 games.

Who knows what the future holds for ANY of these players? We certainly have a better idea of what Jennings is capable of doing than how any of these rookies will fare. How does draft position make one player better than another? If that determines how a players career will unfold then Keyshawn Johnson must be the best Wr evah!!

 

[Biabreakable]

I'd take Johnson over all of these guys in a heartbeat. Johnson is a beast.

I think I'd rank Jarrett #2. He has great size and deceptive speed/quickness. The only concern with him is streaky hands. He'll make some great catches, but he'll also drop some easy ones. Plaxico Burress is a very fair comparison.

Ginn is an interesting player. His speed is just sick. I think he has a higher ceiling than guys like Jennings and Colston, but he hasn't proven anything at the pro level. For now, I'd probably lump Jennings and Ginn together in a third tier behind Johnson and Jarrett.

I still haven't done my homework on Rice, so I'll refrain from ranking him.

Chad Jackson and Derek Hagan are two underrated rookie WRs. I like their long-term potential quite a bit. Not sure if I'd trade either for Colston, as crazy as that might sound.

EBF I respect your opinion but at some point one needs to stop prognosticating based off of percieved talent and potential and stop to smell the roses.Marques Colston

4 49 1TD

4 58 1TD

7 97

5 132 1TD

3 38

4 40 1TD

BYE

6 163 2TD

11 123 1TD

10 169

The only thing that has stopped Colston from being productive is the bye week.

The most optimistic I can be for Calvin Johnson (or any of these soon to be NFL rookie Wrs) is that they eventualy turns out to be good like Andre Johnson and not turn out like David Terrell.

 

[ChampBailey24]

You do know that this topic is a month old? I'm pretty sure EBF's opinion has changed on Colston.

 

[Kleck.]

You do know that this topic is a month old? I'm pretty sure EBF's opinion has changed on Colston.

Like many other's, I'm sure they have.My bad for bumping it with the "Rice possibly staying in school" article. I didn't want to start a new thread and needed to stick it somewhere. I didn't mean for anyone to get called out for things they posted a month ago.

 

[PIK95]

We all know the 2006 WR class did not look good entering the draft. Some liked what they saw from Chad Jackson, others thought Holmes, Brandon Marshall or Sinorice Moss would turn into something decent, but they haven't made a splash yet.On the other hand, Greg Jennings and Colston have exploded on to the scene. Next year's WR class looks promising. Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Sydney Rice and Jeff Samardzija might all go in the 1st round, and I'm sure there are others. I haven't been able to scout Rice or Jarrett, and when I've watched Notre Dame, Samardzija hasn't made an impression on me, but he's highly touted by others.Overall, (without knowing where they'll be drafted) can you rank the 2006 and 2007 WRs' FF value? (In other words, if you could trade a 07 1st that would land you Johnson for Jennings, would you? etc.) Value as of today and then long term.My first thoughts are for right now:JenningsColstonC. JohnsonJarrettS. RiceC. JacksonHolmesGinnSi. MossThoughts?

Oz still looks pretty much on the $$ IMO. Except flip Colston and Jennings of course.

 

[Biabreakable]

You do know that this topic is a month old? I'm pretty sure EBF's opinion has changed on Colston.

Like many other's, I'm sure they have.My bad for bumping it with the "Rice possibly staying in school" article. I didn't want to start a new thread and needed to stick it somewhere. I didn't mean for anyone to get called out for things they posted a month ago.

No my bad I didn't look at the time stamps. This was the 1st time I had seen this thread.Still discussion on value based on draft position and early success compared to overall success is worth talking about as these situations happen every year. For Dynasty I am always looking at players within a 3 year window and thier situation has a bigger part in how they perform in most cases than talent does.Colston and Jennings could have softmore slumps and perhaps fade moving forward like we have seen with Michael Clayton. I don't think it is likely but anything is possible.Calvin Johnson looks to be a great prospect similar to what I was seeing in Andre Johnson coming into the league. It would be hard for him to end up in a worse situation than Andre did with the Texans and he has still turned out great. Took a lot of paitience waiting for him to break out though.These WRs look to be the most talented as a group since the 2004 draft class.

 

[-OZ-]

by the way, i was obviously dead wrong on colston for this year. i figure he would fade into WR3 territory. Obviously, he hasnt.

I think everyone was wrong on Colston. Heck, including the NO Saints.

That's why I love guys like Colston, Rod Smith, Terrell Davis, Priest, etc. EVERYONE was wrong, except for the player.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I would probably trade Colston for Calvin Johnson. He's definitely got a higher upside. 1A with Steve Smith is not out of reach, Fitzgerald is a solid compare, and Johnson might be better.

Jarrett and Ginn are elite physical talents, but not masters of their craft by any stretch. They are both above Holmes and CJackson, and close to equal to Jennings.

On this alone, 2007 is better than 2006.