2007 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

[wadegarrett]

Hmm, is Droughns getting cut a legit option?

Yes.

 

[Buckna]

Hmm, is Droughns getting cut a legit option?

Apparantly 1.75M is a lot of money to the Browns.

 

[Bobcat10]

Hmm, is Droughns getting cut a legit option?

Apparantly 1.75M is a lot of money to the Browns.

Droughns is a 3M player this year, the bonus was 1.75M. If they signed Lewis for less, then that is savings, and possibly an upgrade with a player playing for a contract next year.

 

[Buckna]

Hmm, is Droughns getting cut a legit option?

Apparantly 1.75M is a lot of money to the Browns.

Droughns is a 3M player this year, the bonus was 1.75M. If they signed Lewis for less, then that is savings, and possibly an upgrade with a player playing for a contract next year.

Lewis was signed for 3.5M with performance incentives that could boost it to 5M. Whether he is a big upgrade is very debateable. Lewis averaged 3.6ypc on a much better Ravens team last year, while Droughns avg 3.4 ypc on a much worse Browns team. The days of Jamal rushing for 2,000 yards are long, long past.I'd say the main benefit would be that Jamal's pound it style would be a good compliment to keeping the wear and tear down on Peterson in his 1st season.

 

[Bobcat10]

Hmm, is Droughns getting cut a legit option?

Apparantly 1.75M is a lot of money to the Browns.

Droughns is a 3M player this year, the bonus was 1.75M. If they signed Lewis for less, then that is savings, and possibly an upgrade with a player playing for a contract next year.

Lewis was signed for 3.5M with performance incentives that could boost it to 5M. Whether he is a big upgrade is very debateable. Lewis averaged 3.6ypc on a much better Ravens team last year, while Droughns avg 3.4 ypc on a much worse Browns team. The days of Jamal rushing for 2,000 yards are long, long past.I'd say the main benefit would be that Jamal's pound it style would be a good compliment to keeping the wear and tear down on Peterson in his 1st season.

Didn't know JLew's numbers were released. I agree with much of what you say, never said JLew was a big upgrade, said he is possibly an upgrade.

 

[wadegarrett]

2006 Rushing TDs

Cleveland - 7

Jamal Lewis - 9

 

[wadegarrett]

In effect, signing of Lewis goes far

Addition of back could alter many aspects of team

By Patrick McManamon

Akron Beacon Journal

Friday, March 9, 2007

The ripple effects from the Browns' signing of running back Jamal Lewis spread far and wide.

Lewis agreed to a one-year deal Wednesday night, leaving the Baltimore Ravens for a losing team and a potential $5 million paycheck (he is guaranteed to get $3.5 million, the rest is possible in incentives).

Questions about whether Lewis has anything left are misguided, Lewis said Thursday during a conference call.

``I have a lot left in the tank when I have something to work with,'' he said, according to a transcript provided by the team.

Which leads to the Ripple 1: The offensive line.

Lewis said he joined the Browns, because the team is committed to the running game. His main evidence: the signing of free-agent lineman Eric Steinbach.

But Lewis said not once, but three times, that he expects the Browns to make more additions to the offensive line during the offseason.

``That's what I'm interested in and that's what I've been looking for in Baltimore,'' Lewis said. ``There have been no adjustments or moves made there.''

The Ravens, who had a powerful left side of the line in Jonathan Ogden and Edwin Mulitalo, might disagree and say that the reason Lewis' per-carry averages the past two seasons has been 3.6 yards and 3.4 yards is he is not as explosive as he was in his record-setting 2003 season.

Lewis might disagree with that assessment.

``When I have something to work with, I can rush for a lot of yards,'' he said.

Ripple 2: Reuben Droughns.

How quickly things change. A year ago, Droughns was rewarded for an outstanding 2005 season with a new contract. He soon will be with another team. Such is the quick turnaround in the NFL -- and Cleveland -- as Droughns struggled with an offensive line that struggled in 2006.

Droughns is due a $1.75 million roster bonus on March 17, and Lewis made it clear he didn't sign to share carries.

``I think the Browns are confident in me coming in and being the guy,'' he said. ``That's why I made the deal.''

General Manager Phil Savage even said on WTAM (1100-AM) that the team talked to the Buffalo Bills about acquiring Willis McGahee, who wound up in Baltimore.

Clearly, Droughns is no longer part of the future. He will be traded or released within days.

Droughns felt strongly that no back could have gained a lot of yards for the Browns last season. He might watch Lewis' production as closely as anyone.

Ripple 3: The draft.

Lewis knows the Browns have the third overall pick, and many have them taking the University of Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson, another running back.

But Lewis said he'd be surprised if Peterson is the pick.

``Because they could spend that money somewhere else,'' he said.

OK then.

Ripple 4: Quarterback Charlie Frye, by extension.

Lewis' addition -- it's only a one-year contract, but he talked of retiring in Cleveland -- clearly seems to increase the odds the Browns will draft Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn.

During the offseason, the team has almost gone out of its way to say that Frye is not guaranteed the starting job, and many national reports have Derek Anderson as the opening-day starter.

Those who think the Browns would never give up on Frye after one season as a starter need only look at Droughns. Or Jeff Faine. Or Gerard Warren.

When Savage makes a decision, he rarely hesitates to implement it.

Ripple 5: The draft, part II.

Even if the Browns don't want Quinn, the possibility that they might draft him could make that third spot in the first round more appealing to teams that want Quinn.

So not only might the odds of the Browns taking Quinn increase, but so might the odds of the team trading the pick.

Whew.

 

[wadegarrett]

Browns sign Bengals DT Smith to offer sheetPosted by Tony Grossi March 09, 2007 14:39PMThe Browns today announced that they have signed defensive tackle Shaun Smith, a restricted free agent of the Cincinnati Bengals, to an offer sheet. The Bengals have seven days to match the offer. Terms have not been disclosed. Smith entered the NFL in 2003 as an undrafted free agent from South Carolina, so there would be no draft-pick compensation to the Bengals if they elect not to match the offer. Smith, 6-2 and 325 pounds, was with Dallas and New Orleans before joining Cincinnati off waivers during the 2004 season. In the Bengals' 4-3 defensive system, Smith was a backup tackle behind starters John Thornton and Sam Adams. The Browns see him as their nose tackle of the future.

Browns also terminated the contract of CB Daylon McCutcheon.

 

[Buckna]

General Manager Phil Savage even said on WTAM (1100-AM) that the team talked to the Buffalo Bills about acquiring Willis McGahee, who wound up in Baltimore.

That's fairly interesting, maybe they aren't as enamoured with Peterson as everyone seems to think? Or maybe they were thinking along the same lines as many of us posters whereby it would have been better to get a proven RB and use their pick on a different position?

 

[chris1969]

A news update about LeChuck. There's a well known poster over at OBR that has ties to LeChuck's family. He broke the severity of his injury before it was reported anywhere. Take this for what it's worth, but I have no reason to doubt it's credibility...

Per my source. He's rehabilitating in Arizona and will be back in Cleveland shortly. He feels that he'll be ready to play in OCTOBER!!!

I reported he was done for good, but his own words have completely contradicted that. He (LCB) feels the 2nd surgery isn't warranted or needed.

Guys, when I "broke" this I had full assurances that he was done. I feel compelled to report that it isn't the case.

Oasis

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149&F=1...p;P=1&FIX=1How great would this be for our offensive line!

 

[wadegarrett]

A news update about LeChuck. There's a well known poster over at OBR that has ties to LeChuck's family. He broke the severity of his injury before it was reported anywhere. Take this for what it's worth, but I have no reason to doubt it's credibility...

Per my source. He's rehabilitating in Arizona and will be back in Cleveland shortly. He feels that he'll be ready to play in OCTOBER!!!

I reported he was done for good, but his own words have completely contradicted that. He (LCB) feels the 2nd surgery isn't warranted or needed.

Guys, when I "broke" this I had full assurances that he was done. I feel compelled to report that it isn't the case.

Oasis

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149&F=1...p;P=1&FIX=1How great would this be for our offensive line!

Still not getting my hopes up on this.

 

[Bobcat10]

A news update about LeChuck. There's a well known poster over at OBR that has ties to LeChuck's family. He broke the severity of his injury before it was reported anywhere. Take this for what it's worth, but I have no reason to doubt it's credibility...

Per my source. He's rehabilitating in Arizona and will be back in Cleveland shortly. He feels that he'll be ready to play in OCTOBER!!!

I reported he was done for good, but his own words have completely contradicted that. He (LCB) feels the 2nd surgery isn't warranted or needed.

Guys, when I "broke" this I had full assurances that he was done. I feel compelled to report that it isn't the case.

Oasis

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149&F=1...p;P=1&FIX=1How great would this be for our offensive line!

Still not getting my hopes up on this.

But I'm glad he posted that here. At least it might mean that his career is not over.

 

[Bobcat10]

T. Smith out and McKinney signed.

There were also radio reports yesterday that said the Bengals were probably not going to match the Shaun Smith offer. So that mean the Bengals probably will match.

Browns release full back Smith

Thursday, March 15, 2007Tony Grossi Plain Dealer Reporter

The Browns informally handed the starting fullback job to Lawrence Vickers when they terminated the contract of Terrelle Smith on Wednesday.

Smith was due an undisclosed roster bonus the Browns did not want to pay. He was entering the final year of a $4.4 million contract signed in 2004.

The Browns also added to their offensive line by signing former Dolphins guard/center Seth McKinney to a one-year contract. A third-round draft pick in 2002 out of Texas A&M, McKinney missed the entire 2006 season recovering from surgery to repair a disk in his neck.

Smith was among a dying breed in the NFL. He was a fullback willing to do the smashmouth lead blocking for the ballcarrier. It's all he aspired to do. He disdained touching the ball.

The job description for the position changed when coach Romeo Crennel put together his offense in 2005. The last two years, coaches stretched Smith's versatility. They lined him up wide at times, handed him the ball and even threw to him. It was not a good match.

Smith's demise began with the drafting of Vickers in the sixth round last year. Then-coordinator Maurice Carthon surprised everyone by giving Vickers key carries in the first game of the season and later used him on an ill-fated halfback option pass against Carolina.

Although Carthon took grief for those calls, at the end of the season both Crennel and General Manager Phil Savage cited Vickers as a player to watch in the future.

McKinney has played in 61 NFL games, with 34 starts for the Dolphins. In 2005, he was the team's center and helped the club allow 26 sacks, which was the fourth-best total in the league.

Still waiting: The Bengals said through a spokesman that they have not made a decision on whether to match the Browns' offer sheet to defensive tackle Shaun Smith, which is believed to be for $8 million for four years. The Bengals have until midnight Friday to match or lose the player to the Browns.

 

[wadegarrett]

A news update about LeChuck. There's a well known poster over at OBR that has ties to LeChuck's family. He broke the severity of his injury before it was reported anywhere. Take this for what it's worth, but I have no reason to doubt it's credibility...

Per my source. He's rehabilitating in Arizona and will be back in Cleveland shortly. He feels that he'll be ready to play in OCTOBER!!!

I reported he was done for good, but his own words have completely contradicted that. He (LCB) feels the 2nd surgery isn't warranted or needed.

Guys, when I "broke" this I had full assurances that he was done. I feel compelled to report that it isn't the case.

Oasis

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149&F=1...p;P=1&FIX=1How great would this be for our offensive line!

Still not getting my hopes up on this.

But I'm glad he posted that here. At least it might mean that his career is not over.

True.

 

[wadegarrett]

Browns may add a pair of Smiths

Friday, March 16, 2007

Tony Grossi

Cleveland Plain Dealer

The Browns' defensive line - an area of need that has been overshadowed by the focus on the offensive line - is about to gain two reinforcements named Smith.

The team has reached an agreement with Tennessee free agent Robaire Smith on a four-year deal, according to sources. The Browns will not confirm the acquisition until the contract actually is signed.

Also, the Browns should learn today that the Cincinnati Bengals will not match a four-year offer sheet to restricted free-agent Shaun Smith, who projects as a nose tackle. The Bengals have until midnight tonight to respond.

Robaire Smith, 6-4 and 310 pounds, is the third defensive player added in two weeks with a past association to Browns coordinator Todd Grantham. The others are outside linebacker Antwan Peek and cornerback Kenny Wright.

Smith played five of his seven NFL seasons in two stints with Tennessee, and one with Houston. In 2004, Grantham was Smith's position coach with the Texans. Smith started 16 games at right end in Houston's 3-4 scheme and posted 100 tackles, including three sacks.

After Grantham joined the Browns, Smith bettered his tackle total with 102 in 2005 and had two sacks.

In 2006, Houston had a coaching change and Smith rejoined Tennessee - the team that drafted him in the sixth round in 2000.

Only in the two seasons with Houston did Smith play end in a 3-4. The other years he was a tackle in Tennessee's 4-3 system.

Smith would replace free-agent Alvin McKinley as the right end with the Browns. McKinley is not expected to return.

Shaun Smith has been a backup tackle in Cincinnati's 4-3 defense, and would assume the nose tackle position here. He is 6-2 and 325 pounds - bigger than backups Ethan Kelley and Baba Oshinowo.

The Browns have given no indication that starting nose tackle Ted Washington would not return in 2007.

 

[wadegarrett]

Browns keep shelling out upfront for free agents

Patrick McManamon

Akron Beacon Journal

Sunday, March 18, 2007

Never let it be said the Browns are not active in free agency.

The Browns have added seven players, which ties them with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the most signings in the league.

In a market considered mediocre, the Browns have added two offensive linemen, two defensive linemen, a running back, a linebacker and a cornerback.

This activity continues a trend in the Phil Savage era. The Browns have spent and spent and spent on players from other teams in a frantic attempt to patch holes and to improve.

The spending has reached hefty proportions -- especially in terms of signing bonuses and guaranteed money.

That is money right out of pocket, and the numbers the Browns have spent out of pocket are near-staggering, according to figures obtained from league sources and published reports:

• In 2005, the Browns signed seven players for total signing bonuses of $16.6 million. The largest bonus went to cornerback Gary Baxter: $9 million. This list includes the new deal given quarterback Trent Dilfer ($2.1 million), because his contract was restructured as soon as he was acquired via trade.

• In 2006, the figure for cash out of pocket increased to $32 million, a sum that jumps higher if the contract extension given Reuben Droughns is considered. The free-agent figure includes bonus money given to LeCharles Bentley ($12 million) and Kevin Shaffer ($9 million).

• This offseason, Eric Steinbach set the bar early, when the guard was given $17 million in guaranteed money. Add in the rest of the signings, and the Browns are in the neighborhood (conservatively) of $25 million.

That means that in the three offseasons, Savage, the team's general manager, has spent (not just committed, but spent) $73 million.

Let's state it this way -- if you make $50,000 per year (a fair salary), you'd work 1,460 years to make that money. But who's counting?

That $73 million figure does not, by the way, include signing bonuses given to draft picks -- such as Braylon Edwards, who got $6.5 million, or Brodney Pool, who got $2 million.

This investment has produced a return of 10 wins in two seasons.

And it has produced the following:

• Consecutive offseasons in which the Browns made players the NFL's highest paid at their positions: Bentley at center and Steinbach (briefly) at guard.

• Bad-luck injuries to Baxter ($9 million) and Bentley ($12 million) that put their futures in doubt.

• Shaffer turning into a league-wide example of overpaying to fill a need. The Browns have said Shaffer was their best option at left tackle, but many in the league think the Browns paid him like the best player.

• Little from the 2005 free-agent class. Four of the new-contract guys -- nose tackle Jason Fisk, Dilfer, guard Cosey Coleman and safety Brian Russell -- no longer are with the team. A fifth, linebacker Matt Stewart, rarely plays. The sixth, Baxter, is rehabbing torn ligaments in both knees.

• Four remaining players from the 2006 free-agency class: Joe Jurevicius, Dave Zastudil, Willie McGinest and Ted Washington. Bentley's future is cloudy, and Shaffer might be moved from left tackle.

• The trading of Droughns one year after he signed a contract extension, just as with Dilfer. In return, the Browns got a fourth-round draft pick and underachieving receiver Tim Carter.

In one sense, this is life in the NFL.

Personnel change from year to year is significant, and average players become rich if they hit the free-agent market. If teams want to sign them, they have to pay them. Too, the Browns did not break the bank for players other than Steinbach.

The key, though, is that money does not make an average player into a good player.

The Browns might look back through the years and see that the money given to Jurevicius ($2.25 million) and Zastudil ($2.1 million) was the best investments they made. Both are dependable, productive players who did not cost a fortune. Same with Russell, who had a strong year in 2006 and left for the Seattle Seahawks as a free agent.

Nobody can predict injuries like Baxter's and Bentley's, but those injures do highlight the risk of laying out big money. One wrong turn can make the investment nil.

The money spent and the number of signings show where the Browns started -- Savage has said often that he had to bring in players to fill out a depleted roster -- and also shows how their philosophy in the present has led to tough years.

Most teams view free agency as a supplement to the draft. The Internet site Coldhardfootballfacts.com revealed that 87 of this season's 97 Pro Bowl players made it as members of their original teams.

Baltimore Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome often has said of free agency: ``Right player, right price.'' He has backed out of signing players when the price exceeded what he thought was the right value.

The New England Patriots had not been a big spender in free agency until this offseason, when they brought in linebacker Adalius Thomas. That signing was praised, because Thomas was considered to be one of the best players on the market.

The Browns keep bringing guys in -- many at key positions.

In free agency in the past three years, they've signed six offensive linemen, three defensive linemen, a running back (two if Droughns' extension is considered) and a receiver.

It's an enormous investment, one that leads to two questions:

Will this be the year it pays off?

And if it doesn't, how long will Randy Lerner keep signing these checks?

 

[nxmehta]

God, sometimes these articles piss me off so bad. I mean, complaining about the Browns spending $$$ in free agency? What the hell is Savage supposed to do? If he didn't do anything in free agency the media would be crying twice as hard about the Browns rolling over and not trying to get better. Randy Lerner will keep freaking signing checks until the teams gets better- to expect anything different is madness.

And pointing how NE and how THEY never sign free agents- that's a load of crap. They've always signed low priced free agents and have had years of successful drafting. Savage came in with the cupboard bare and has been trying to restore the roster. It's his ####### job.

 

[Bobcat10]

God, sometimes these articles piss me off so bad. I mean, complaining about the Browns spending $$$ in free agency? What the hell is Savage supposed to do? If he didn't do anything in free agency the media would be crying twice as hard about the Browns rolling over and not trying to get better. Randy Lerner will keep freaking signing checks until the teams gets better- to expect anything different is madness.And pointing how NE and how THEY never sign free agents- that's a load of crap. They've always signed low priced free agents and have had years of successful drafting. Savage came in with the cupboard bare and has been trying to restore the roster. It's his ####### job.

I agree. Not the best piece Pat has written. Sometimes these local writers just don't have enough to write about and they come up with crappola.

 

[chris1969]

If he thought we overspent on someone, that would be one thing, but everybody spends the same amount of cap money.

 

[wadegarrett]

Winslow: ''I'm good, very good''

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer

03.20.2007

Kellen Winslow got at least a little bit of his much needed, much desired time away.

But being back on the rehab trail hasn't drained Winslow's energy or enthusiasm. And not only is Winslow still focused on returning to health, he thinks new Browns' offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski can help him top his record-setting 2006 season when he does.

"I'm good, very good," Winslow said Monday evening, speaking from his Cleveland-area home. "I got some real good news when Coach Chud came back here, and he's going to be real good for the offense. He's going to get everybody on the same page.

"That is a blessing. And I'm excited to get healthy and get to work."

There's probably not much comfortable about some of the rehab exercises Winslow has been doing since undergoing surgery on his right knee January 30. But he does have a comfort level inside Browns Headquarters with the medical staff he's been working with after coming back last offseason from a severe knee injury suffered in a May 1, 2005 motorcycle accident.

He has a similar comfort level with Chudzinski, who was Winslow's offensive coordinator and tight ends coach for the three years Winslow spent at the University of Miami and the Browns' tight ends coach in 2004, Winslow's rookie season.

"I definitely have a feel for him, for what kind of coach he is and what he wants to do," Winslow said. "But he's going to bring some new stuff in. It's going to be good.

"I think he's going to want me lining up in a lot of places -- I like that."

Winslow caught a franchise record 89 passes last season while battling through a sore knee and decided on surgery after the season, about 18 months after his initial surgery following the accident.

He said Monday he's been off crutches for nearly two weeks and has been following his rehab program closely.

"I really just started with concentrating on the little things," he said. "I'm following the program that our medical staff laid out for me before we decided to have the surgery. I first need to get the strength back in my leg, then progress from there. It's a step by step process, and my next step is running.

"But I am feeling great. As far as my rehab goes, I am ahead of schedule. I'll be back by training camp, if not before."

Winslow said he's spent most of his time and energy rehabbing and relaxing with his teammates. He said his new Xbox 360 video game system has made him "a hockey guy -- I play with Calgary and Dallas, and I kick everybody's butt."

But Winslow plans to be a full-time football guy again soon. He said he was as surprised as anyone to hear of an Internet report that made its rounds Monday saying Winslow would miss the 2007 season.

"I don't even know where that came from - I don't know who said that," he said. "But I love to prove people wrong. That's fuel for me.

"I'll be back. People continue to count me out, and that lights my fire."

Link

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Winslow: ''I'm good, very good''

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer

03.20.2007

Kellen Winslow got at least a little bit of his much needed, much desired time away.

But being back on the rehab trail hasn't drained Winslow's energy or enthusiasm. And not only is Winslow still focused on returning to health, he thinks new Browns' offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski can help him top his record-setting 2006 season when he does.

"I'm good, very good," Winslow said Monday evening, speaking from his Cleveland-area home. "I got some real good news when Coach Chud came back here, and he's going to be real good for the offense. He's going to get everybody on the same page.

"That is a blessing. And I'm excited to get healthy and get to work."

There's probably not much comfortable about some of the rehab exercises Winslow has been doing since undergoing surgery on his right knee January 30. But he does have a comfort level inside Browns Headquarters with the medical staff he's been working with after coming back last offseason from a severe knee injury suffered in a May 1, 2005 motorcycle accident.

He has a similar comfort level with Chudzinski, who was Winslow's offensive coordinator and tight ends coach for the three years Winslow spent at the University of Miami and the Browns' tight ends coach in 2004, Winslow's rookie season.

"I definitely have a feel for him, for what kind of coach he is and what he wants to do," Winslow said. "But he's going to bring some new stuff in. It's going to be good.

"I think he's going to want me lining up in a lot of places -- I like that."

Winslow caught a franchise record 89 passes last season while battling through a sore knee and decided on surgery after the season, about 18 months after his initial surgery following the accident.

He said Monday he's been off crutches for nearly two weeks and has been following his rehab program closely.

"I really just started with concentrating on the little things," he said. "I'm following the program that our medical staff laid out for me before we decided to have the surgery. I first need to get the strength back in my leg, then progress from there. It's a step by step process, and my next step is running.

"But I am feeling great. As far as my rehab goes, I am ahead of schedule. I'll be back by training camp, if not before."

Winslow said he's spent most of his time and energy rehabbing and relaxing with his teammates. He said his new Xbox 360 video game system has made him "a hockey guy -- I play with Calgary and Dallas, and I kick everybody's butt."

But Winslow plans to be a full-time football guy again soon. He said he was as surprised as anyone to hear of an Internet report that made its rounds Monday saying Winslow would miss the 2007 season.

"I don't even know where that came from - I don't know who said that," he said. "But I love to prove people wrong. That's fuel for me.

"I'll be back. People continue to count me out, and that lights my fire."

Link

You just have to hope he doesn't run into Joey Porter on any Vegas trips.

 

[wadegarrett]

Winslow: ''I'm good, very good''

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer

03.20.2007

Kellen Winslow got at least a little bit of his much needed, much desired time away.

But being back on the rehab trail hasn't drained Winslow's energy or enthusiasm. And not only is Winslow still focused on returning to health, he thinks new Browns' offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski can help him top his record-setting 2006 season when he does.

"I'm good, very good," Winslow said Monday evening, speaking from his Cleveland-area home. "I got some real good news when Coach Chud came back here, and he's going to be real good for the offense. He's going to get everybody on the same page.

"That is a blessing. And I'm excited to get healthy and get to work."

There's probably not much comfortable about some of the rehab exercises Winslow has been doing since undergoing surgery on his right knee January 30. But he does have a comfort level inside Browns Headquarters with the medical staff he's been working with after coming back last offseason from a severe knee injury suffered in a May 1, 2005 motorcycle accident.

He has a similar comfort level with Chudzinski, who was Winslow's offensive coordinator and tight ends coach for the three years Winslow spent at the University of Miami and the Browns' tight ends coach in 2004, Winslow's rookie season.

"I definitely have a feel for him, for what kind of coach he is and what he wants to do," Winslow said. "But he's going to bring some new stuff in. It's going to be good.

"I think he's going to want me lining up in a lot of places -- I like that."

Winslow caught a franchise record 89 passes last season while battling through a sore knee and decided on surgery after the season, about 18 months after his initial surgery following the accident.

He said Monday he's been off crutches for nearly two weeks and has been following his rehab program closely.

"I really just started with concentrating on the little things," he said. "I'm following the program that our medical staff laid out for me before we decided to have the surgery. I first need to get the strength back in my leg, then progress from there. It's a step by step process, and my next step is running.

"But I am feeling great. As far as my rehab goes, I am ahead of schedule. I'll be back by training camp, if not before."

Winslow said he's spent most of his time and energy rehabbing and relaxing with his teammates. He said his new Xbox 360 video game system has made him "a hockey guy -- I play with Calgary and Dallas, and I kick everybody's butt."

But Winslow plans to be a full-time football guy again soon. He said he was as surprised as anyone to hear of an Internet report that made its rounds Monday saying Winslow would miss the 2007 season.

"I don't even know where that came from - I don't know who said that," he said. "But I love to prove people wrong. That's fuel for me.

"I'll be back. People continue to count me out, and that lights my fire."

Link

You just have to hope he doesn't run into Joey Porter on any Vegas trips or any curbs on his bicycle.

fixed

 

[wadegarrett]

You can cross off the Minnesota Vikings as a potential trade partner for the Browns. While it was commonly assumed the Vikings were looking to move up from No. 7 for Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson or Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, they would prefer to move down - like so many other teams.

From here.

 

[wadegarrett]

Draft outlook remains blurry

Tuesday, March 27, 2007

Tony Grossi

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Phoenix- Phil Savage arrived at the NFL owners meetings with a list of 16 teams with which he wanted to touch base.

Some of the talk might plant the seed of a trade on draft day. Some involved veteran players.

But apparently none of his intended discussions has to do with quarterbacks - at least, veteran ones looking for new teams.

The Browns general manager flatly stated on Monday the team is not interested in adding an experienced quarterback to the roster. But he did not rule out drafting a quarterback - in later rounds, if not the first.

So you can forget about Trent Green, David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, Anthony Wright or any other veteran quarterback coming to Cleveland.

"I would say it's something we lightly considered, but probably will take a pass on," Savage said.

He admitted the Browns talked internally about making a run at former Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub, but he expected the price tag to be "prohibitive." Schaub was traded to Houston last week for second-round draft picks in 2007 and 2008 and a swap of the teams' No. 8 and No. 10 places in this year's draft. The Texans then signed Schaub for $48 million over six years.

"That's a pretty substantial contract for a guy that really hasn't played a ton of football," Savage said.

All of which leaves Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson still the only competitors for the starting job in 2007. Whether the Browns decide to choose a quarterback with the No. 3 overall pick, or later, may hinge on the initial stages of that competition under the auspices of new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski.

"I think we're content with what we're doing, to stay with the direction we're going," Savage said. "We've got six weeks of off-season conditioning and [organized] programs. Chud's putting the offense in, meeting with the quarterbacks, along with [assistant head coach] Rip Scherer. So I think we'll have a pretty good gauge of the two primary competitors, Charlie and Derek, by the time we get to the draft."

Frye may have "a leg up," as coach Romeo Crennel has termed it, but Savage talked up Anderson. The quiet backup was impressive early in relief of Frye after a wrist injury, but he did not win any of his three starts.

"I think last August, there seemed to be a pretty large gap between those two players," Savage said. "But I would say that gap has been narrowed, certainly, just because of the fact Derek got a chance."

Savage was vague in tipping his hand on whether he is homing in on LSU's JaMarcus Russell or Notre Dame's Brady Quinn with the No. 3 overall pick. In fact, his responses to questions could be interpreted various ways, contributing to the fog of the draft buildup.

Asked about a possible backlash from fans if the team passes on one of the top two quarterbacks, he said, "When you pick in the top five, you're not expecting on being up there again. Now that we're back up there this year, it changes your perspective on things to a degree."

Asked if the Browns can afford to trade up to No. 1 or No. 2, he did not say he wouldn't investigate the cost.

"I would sense it's going to be prohibitive because I think the two teams up there can ask for whatever they ask for. There's no real rules," Savage said.

Asked about rumors that Oakland may be leaning to Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson, which may push Russell within the Browns' reach, Savage replied, "I can see it happening. There are going to be those that argue he's the best player in the draft, so if you're sitting there at No. 1, I wouldn't rule it out."

What about Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas and Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson? Savage gave the impression - purposely, perhaps - that Peterson is higher on the Browns' radar screen.

Does Peterson's injury history concern Savage?

"I don't think so much," he replied. "I think he's a terrific talent. He's fast, he's physical. He's got acceleration. He's got burst. We've got Jamal [Lewis] on a one-year deal, so I don't think it takes us out of picking Adrian."

Could he find decent offensive linemen after the first round?

"I think there will be some linemen available that we like," Savage said. He then raised the example of the explosive San Diego Chargers, whose highest-drafted lineman was 2006 second-round pick Marcus McNeill.

"But they have a pretty good back behind those guys," Savage said, referring to LaDainian Tomlinson.

Savage did not have to add that Chudzinski was part of the San Diego coaching staff the past two seasons.

 

[Browns Rule!]

Anything you hear from Romeo and Phil is that their relationship is strong and they have worked well together. But what else do you expect to hear from them? Romeo not being fired by now speaks louder than anything that comes out of their mouths.

Actually, these two have been scratching eachothers back since they've been here. The biggest thing of note which isn't necessarily good for the organization, but Romeo saved Savage's job in Cleveland. The news was reporting last year that Savage was out, as him and team president Collins didn't get along. Instead, it was reported that Romeo went to bat for Savage forcing Collins out instead of Savage.

 

[schaef2k]

Anything you hear from Romeo and Phil is that their relationship is strong and they have worked well together. But what else do you expect to hear from them? Romeo not being fired by now speaks louder than anything that comes out of their mouths.

Actually, these two have been scratching eachothers back since they've been here. The biggest thing of note which isn't necessarily good for the organization, but Romeo saved Savage's job in Cleveland. The news was reporting last year that Savage was out, as him and team president Collins didn't get along. Instead, it was reported that Romeo went to bat for Savage forcing Collins out instead of Savage.

That and the entire city looked like it might riot if they fired Phil and kept Collins.

 

[Bobcat10]

Anything you hear from Romeo and Phil is that their relationship is strong and they have worked well together. But what else do you expect to hear from them? Romeo not being fired by now speaks louder than anything that comes out of their mouths.

Actually, these two have been scratching eachothers back since they've been here. The biggest thing of note which isn't necessarily good for the organization, but Romeo saved Savage's job in Cleveland. The news was reporting last year that Savage was out, as him and team president Collins didn't get along. Instead, it was reported that Romeo went to bat for Savage forcing Collins out instead of Savage.

That and the entire city looked like it might riot if they fired Phil and kept Collins.

 

[slowkidz]

Anything you hear from Romeo and Phil is that their relationship is strong and they have worked well together. But what else do you expect to hear from them? Romeo not being fired by now speaks louder than anything that comes out of their mouths.

Actually, these two have been scratching eachothers back since they've been here. The biggest thing of note which isn't necessarily good for the organization, but Romeo saved Savage's job in Cleveland. The news was reporting last year that Savage was out, as him and team president Collins didn't get along. Instead, it was reported that Romeo went to bat for Savage forcing Collins out instead of Savage.

That and the entire city looked like it might riot if they fired Phil and kept Collins.

Those on the Browns forums were quite adamant about keeping Savage. The fan support for Phil was huge during this time, IIRC.

 

[nygiants56]

Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Friday, January 26, 2007

Doug Lesmerises

Plain Dealer Reporter

Mobile, Ala. -- The Browns, along with the rest of the NFL, would have liked a look at Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas this week. But the 6-6, 310-pounder pulled out of Saturday's Senior Bowl late last week, a common move for players projected at the top of the NFL draft.

Though it's agents who typically steer players away from the game, for some scouts, the desire of a top player not to hurt his draft status by risking exposure raises questions about that player's competitiveness. Some of the players here agree.

"It shows a little fear sometimes that maybe you have something to hide," said Penn State tackle Levi Brown. "Maybe you have something to hide."

Thomas was of such high interest to the Browns because, as one member of the staff said, they are looking for an "infusion" of offensive linemen in this draft. Thomas is probably the only lineman worthy of consideration with the Browns' first pick, which will be at either No. 3 or No. 4 pending a coin flip with Tampa Bay.

Of course, Tampa's staff is running the North team and would have loved a week of working with Thomas, too. Everyone in town has also heard that Detroit, picking No. 2, is very interested in Thomas as well. In fact, Thomas was in town this week and reportedly had dinner with the Lions on Monday. And there remains a school of thought that if either of the top two quarterbacks - LSU junior JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame senior Brady Quinn - slip to the Browns, he might be too tempting to pass up.

So if help for the Browns' offensive line doesn't come in the first round, it will definitely come later, and one of the linemen here is a good bet to wind up in Cleveland. Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley, Tennessee guard / tackle Aaron Sears, Arkansas tackle Tony Ugoh and Texas guard Justin Blalock, part of an impressive group of linemen for the South, are among the players who have spoken with the Browns this week.

"I've talked to the Browns a couple times," said Sears. "You just try to be yourself. You've been yourself your whole life and you can't change now."

Staley is a particularly interesting case. Projected as a left tackle, he's playing for the South because the North had four others players at his position. After a slow start to the week, he has proven he can compete outside of a small conference.

"Coming from the MAC not a lot of scouts get a chance to watch us play, so I wanted to show that I'm like the other great athletes out here and I can play with anyone in the country," Staley said. "I wanted to show that I'm more aggressive than people think and show them my explosiveness, which is one of the weaknesses I've had."

If the Browns take a quarterback or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson in the first round, a lineman to clear their way certainly would make sense in the second round. Penn State's Brown had a good week and confirmed his status as a first-round lock, but players like Sears, Ugoh and Auburn's Ben Grubbs are first-round possibilities who could be hanging around when the Browns come up in the second round.

And then the infusion should begin.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

dlesmerises@plaind.com, 216-999-4479

As much as the Browns are in need of o-linemen, I almost hope Thomas is taken before the Browns pick. Everything I've heard and read indicates that he isn't projected to be an elite LT, just the best in this draft. Not that the Browns couldn't use even an average OL at this point, but at the 3 or 4 pick, I'd hate to pass up an elite talent.

I'm hoping they address OL thru FA, go DL (or Peterson) in Round 1, and go OL in Round 2. Then best available OL, DL and DB the rest of the draft. With this franchise's history of crapping out on top 5 picks, I wouldn't mind seeing them trade down either.

I think the browns will take Quinn,if he is there.Crennel/Weiss connection..

 

[BGP]

You would hope the Browns don't take a QB. The "Jeff Garcia" lesson SHOULD be fresh in mind with this organization. Jeff Garcia on the Browns? Looks terrible. Jeff Garcia on the Lions? Looks terrible. Oh, let's put him on a good team with a quality OL. Hey! Jeff Garcia looks pretty good!

If they do take a QB, they better find a way to get a Joe Staley or something else to help the OL out.

 

[BGP]

So the Browns have:

a. not addressed QB in free agency because they will select a QB with the 3rd pick.

b. Shipped Droughns to the Giants to clear the decks and bring in Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson.

c. no concern over microfracture surgery for Kellen and the torn ACL of Braylon Edwards who hasn't shown any speed since the injury because they are taking WR Calvin Johnson.

d. not addressed LT in free agency because they are selecting Joe Thomas.

Which way are they thinking?

 

[massraider]

Which way are they thinking?

Man, that's what I'm saying.I have this mental image of the Lions, Raiders, and Browns sitting around a poker table, trying to guess each others cards.

 

[Browns Rule!]

So the Browns have:a. not addressed QB in free agency because they will select a QB with the 3rd pick.b. Shipped Droughns to the Giants to clear the decks and bring in Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson.c. no concern over microfracture surgery for Kellen and the torn ACL of Braylon Edwards who hasn't shown any speed since the injury because they are taking WR Calvin Johnson.d. not addressed LT in free agency because they are selecting Joe Thomas.Which way are they thinking?

This offseason seems extremely unorganized to me. To answer your questions in my opinion: 1. I don't think we need a QB and surely hope we don't draft one with the third pick. We have to many other needs, and we need to see what our QB can do behind a decent line before drafting another one and ruining their career ala Tim Couch. I think this would be the worst decision of the off-season, selecting a QB at #3.2. I think Jamal Lewis was the worst signing of the new Cleveland Browns. Of course, some of our signings never paid out, but this just is a major 'HUH' to me. I watched quite a bit of Jamal Lewis last year, and in my opinion, he was the worst starting RB in the league. Droughns was better. Trying to remain optimistic here though, there is one good thing. If he can return to his before jail sentencing form, he is still very young at only 26 or 27. I think based on this signing, drafting Peterson is our best option at #3 because Lewis is just that bad.3. Winslow is tough, and I think he will be just as healthy as last year this year. I don't think this is something to worry about.4. My personal choice for who I would like to draft is Joe Thomas. I just don't think it will happen especially after listening to Savage saying offensive lineman can be found late in drafts. I guess the highest drafted player on San Diego's OLine is a second rounder in McNeil. Because of this, I don't see us taking Thomas.

 

[schaef2k]

So the Browns have:a. not addressed QB in free agency because they will select a QB with the 3rd pick.b. Shipped Droughns to the Giants to clear the decks and bring in Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson.c. no concern over microfracture surgery for Kellen and the torn ACL of Braylon Edwards who hasn't shown any speed since the injury because they are taking WR Calvin Johnson.d. not addressed LT in free agency because they are selecting Joe Thomas.Which way are they thinking?

This offseason seems extremely unorganized to me. To answer your questions in my opinion: 1. I don't think we need a QB and surely hope we don't draft one with the third pick. We have to many other needs, and we need to see what our QB can do behind a decent line before drafting another one and ruining their career ala Tim Couch. I think this would be the worst decision of the off-season, selecting a QB at #3.2. I think Jamal Lewis was the worst signing of the new Cleveland Browns. Of course, some of our signings never paid out, but this just is a major 'HUH' to me. I watched quite a bit of Jamal Lewis last year, and in my opinion, he was the worst starting RB in the league. Droughns was better. Trying to remain optimistic here though, there is one good thing. If he can return to his before jail sentencing form, he is still very young at only 26 or 27. I think based on this signing, drafting Peterson is our best option at #3 because Lewis is just that bad.3. Winslow is tough, and I think he will be just as healthy as last year this year. I don't think this is something to worry about.4. My personal choice for who I would like to draft is Joe Thomas. I just don't think it will happen especially after listening to Savage saying offensive lineman can be found late in drafts. I guess the highest drafted player on San Diego's OLine is a second rounder in McNeil. Because of this, I don't see us taking Thomas.

1) I totally agree here, we need to put a line together before we can evaluate anyone who gets behind center. I’m not opposed to bringing in someone like Car to compete with CF and DA, I just wouldn’t give him any guarantee of being the starter.2) I disagree here. I don’t think Jamal is as washed up as he looked last year. He was playing with bone spurs all season and had them removed in the off season in addition to being in jail and out of shape at the beginning of the season. Also Wright came in when RD was hurt and did a good job (then promptly got hurt). Wright had his contract redone this off season and it looks like the Browns have a lot of confidence in him should Jamal not cut it. I would still like to AP in orange and brown.3) I agree here, we did sign a speedy tightend from SD as insurance also.4) I like JT or AP here but I like the idea of trading down better getting Levi Brown or Lynch and picking up a CB later.

 

[mr blond]

So the Browns have:a. not addressed QB in free agency because they will select a QB with the 3rd pick.b. Shipped Droughns to the Giants to clear the decks and bring in Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson.c. no concern over microfracture surgery for Kellen and the torn ACL of Braylon Edwards who hasn't shown any speed since the injury because they are taking WR Calvin Johnson.d. not addressed LT in free agency because they are selecting Joe Thomas.Which way are they thinking?

This offseason seems extremely unorganized to me. To answer your questions in my opinion: 1. I don't think we need a QB and surely hope we don't draft one with the third pick. We have to many other needs, and we need to see what our QB can do behind a decent line before drafting another one and ruining their career ala Tim Couch. I think this would be the worst decision of the off-season, selecting a QB at #3.2. I think Jamal Lewis was the worst signing of the new Cleveland Browns. Of course, some of our signings never paid out, but this just is a major 'HUH' to me. I watched quite a bit of Jamal Lewis last year, and in my opinion, he was the worst starting RB in the league. Droughns was better. Trying to remain optimistic here though, there is one good thing. If he can return to his before jail sentencing form, he is still very young at only 26 or 27. I think based on this signing, drafting Peterson is our best option at #3 because Lewis is just that bad.3. Winslow is tough, and I think he will be just as healthy as last year this year. I don't think this is something to worry about.4. My personal choice for who I would like to draft is Joe Thomas. I just don't think it will happen especially after listening to Savage saying offensive lineman can be found late in drafts. I guess the highest drafted player on San Diego's OLine is a second rounder in McNeil. Because of this, I don't see us taking Thomas.

1) I totally agree here, we need to put a line together before we can evaluate anyone who gets behind center. I’m not opposed to bringing in someone like Car to compete with CF and DA, I just wouldn’t give him any guarantee of being the starter.2) I disagree here. I don’t think Jamal is as washed up as he looked last year. He was playing with bone spurs all season and had them removed in the off season in addition to being in jail and out of shape at the beginning of the season. Also Wright came in when RD was hurt and did a good job (then promptly got hurt). Wright had his contract redone this off season and it looks like the Browns have a lot of confidence in him should Jamal not cut it. I would still like to AP in orange and brown.3) I agree here, we did sign a speedy tightend from SD as insurance also.4) I like JT or AP here but I like the idea of trading down better getting Levi Brown or Lynch and picking up a CB later.

I think BGP's point was that the Browns' draft intentions are as cloudy as they were before free agency, even though the Browns were very active in free agency. As a Browns fan, I hope it was by design, and not the result of a "disorganized offseason."

 

[chris1969]

I'd like to confuse the situation even more.

1) Maybe we already got our LT in FA (Steinbach) and we are planning on looking at Guards in the draft.

2) We knew Peterson would be there @ #3, maybe getting Lewis in FA was a sign that Phil didn't think AP was a good fit. Maybe he's looking at one of the bigger backs in the later rounds. Phil knows Lewis as well as anybody. He might think he can get a better output now that Lewis is healthy.

3) We really didn't get any DE's in FA either. Does anybody actually think that Robaire Smith is our starting RE and Roye is getting old and took a turn for the worse last year. Don't we need some insurance if he continues to decline.

 

[schaef2k]

I'd like to confuse the situation even more.1) Maybe we already got our LT in FA (Steinbach) and we are planning on looking at Guards in the draft.2) We knew Peterson would be there @ #3, maybe getting Lewis in FA was a sign that Phil didn't think AP was a good fit. Maybe he's looking at one of the bigger backs in the later rounds. Phil knows Lewis as well as anybody. He might think he can get a better output now that Lewis is healthy.3) We really didn't get any DE's in FA either. Does anybody actually think that Robaire Smith is our starting RE and Roye is getting old and took a turn for the worse last year. Don't we need some insurance if he continues to decline.

All good points. Phil is playing some good poker right now and non of our FA signings actually tip our hand.IMO our biggest needs are CB, DE and QB. O line could get by this year with what we have but DE and CB we need some help. I like Robaire Smith. He'll do fine, just need 3 guys up front to eat up some blockers then let the LBs (our strongest position) clean up.

 

[ravnzfan]

I'd like to confuse the situation even more.

1) Maybe we already got our LT in FA (Steinbach) and we are planning on looking at Guards in the draft.

2) We knew Peterson would be there @ #3, maybe getting Lewis in FA was a sign that Phil didn't think AP was a good fit. Maybe he's looking at one of the bigger backs in the later rounds. Phil knows Lewis as well as anybody. He might think he can get a better output now that Lewis is healthy.

3) We really didn't get any DE's in FA either. Does anybody actually think that Robaire Smith is our starting RE and Roye is getting old and took a turn for the worse last year. Don't we need some insurance if he continues to decline.

All good points. Phil is playing some good poker right now and non of our FA signings actually tip our hand.IMO our biggest needs are CB, DE and QB. O line could get by this year with what we have but DE and CB we need some help. I like Robaire Smith. He'll do fine, just need 3 guys up front to eat up some blockers then let the LBs (our strongest position) clean up.

I have a warm spot in the ticker for Phil--he is truely one of the good guys, and a helluva GMlet this guy do his job, and from what I've seen, most of you are willing "to believe"---he'll do the right thing come draft time (like he did last year and jobbed us out of a 6th for moving 1 spot so we could draft a player [Nada] Phil had no intention of taking!)..he learned from the best, and will continue to put forth the effort in turning the Brown ship around...this was the ONLY job he was willing to leave Baltimore for, FWIW

knowing him, and seeing the "need"...my guess:

1--Thomas, if he's there....he knows what locking down the LT position for 10 yrs is worth

2--if he goes QB---Quinn...I don't think he'd take Russell over this kid, given the choice...let Frye start 1 yr

3--trade, if it means top 10 pick + extra 1st day selection...corner is critical, but not worthy of top 3 selection

(his preference is probably trade, but EVERYBODY screams 'trade down', not leaving any viable partners moving up)

I think you have enought @RB to pass on AP early, although it might be addressed early in '08 draft (where a multitude of talented RB's await)

 

[nygiants56]

I'd like to confuse the situation even more.

1) Maybe we already got our LT in FA (Steinbach) and we are planning on looking at Guards in the draft.

2) We knew Peterson would be there @ #3, maybe getting Lewis in FA was a sign that Phil didn't think AP was a good fit. Maybe he's looking at one of the bigger backs in the later rounds. Phil knows Lewis as well as anybody. He might think he can get a better output now that Lewis is healthy.

3) We really didn't get any DE's in FA either. Does anybody actually think that Robaire Smith is our starting RE and Roye is getting old and took a turn for the worse last year. Don't we need some insurance if he continues to decline.

All good points. Phil is playing some good poker right now and non of our FA signings actually tip our hand.IMO our biggest needs are CB, DE and QB. O line could get by this year with what we have but DE and CB we need some help. I like Robaire Smith. He'll do fine, just need 3 guys up front to eat up some blockers then let the LBs (our strongest position) clean up.

I have a warm spot in the ticker for Phil--he is truely one of the good guys, and a helluva GMlet this guy do his job, and from what I've seen, most of you are willing "to believe"---he'll do the right thing come draft time (like he did last year and jobbed us out of a 6th for moving 1 spot so we could draft a player [Nada] Phil had no intention of taking!)..he learned from the best, and will continue to put forth the effort in turning the Brown ship around...this was the ONLY job he was willing to leave Baltimore for, FWIW

knowing him, and seeing the "need"...my guess:

1--Thomas, if he's there....he knows what locking down the LT position for 10 yrs is worth

2--if he goes QB---Quinn...I don't think he'd take Russell over this kid, given the choice...let Frye start 1 yr

3--trade, if it means top 10 pick + extra 1st day selection...corner is critical, but not worthy of top 3 selection

(his preference is probably trade, but EVERYBODY screams 'trade down', not leaving any viable partners moving up)

I think you have enought @RB to pass on AP early, although it might be addressed early in '08 draft (where a multitude of talented RB's await)

Thomas or Quinn, or trade down for Levi Brown.AD is worthless to them without a line, he'll get killed.

c johnson is useless without a QB.

cleveland needs a O-line, badly

 

[Irish]

The Kansas City Star reports the Cleveland Browns are the latest entrants into the QB Trent Green sweepstakes. Chiefs GM Carl Peterson said he was approached Wednesday at the conclusion of the NFL meetings by his Browns counterpart, Phil Savage. “We agreed to talk some more later this week or the first of next week,” Peterson said. “He said he wants to talk some more with his head coach and his offensive coordinator. But he did ask whether this thing was over with. I said, ‘No, not at all.’ “Cleveland would make sense to me because Trent played very well against them last year.”

 

[Bobcat10]

I'd like to confuse the situation even more.

1) Maybe we already got our LT in FA (Steinbach) and we are planning on looking at Guards in the draft.

2) We knew Peterson would be there @ #3, maybe getting Lewis in FA was a sign that Phil didn't think AP was a good fit. Maybe he's looking at one of the bigger backs in the later rounds. Phil knows Lewis as well as anybody. He might think he can get a better output now that Lewis is healthy.

3) We really didn't get any DE's in FA either. Does anybody actually think that Robaire Smith is our starting RE and Roye is getting old and took a turn for the worse last year. Don't we need some insurance if he continues to decline.

All good points. Phil is playing some good poker right now and non of our FA signings actually tip our hand.IMO our biggest needs are CB, DE and QB. O line could get by this year with what we have but DE and CB we need some help. I like Robaire Smith. He'll do fine, just need 3 guys up front to eat up some blockers then let the LBs (our strongest position) clean up.

I have a warm spot in the ticker for Phil--he is truely one of the good guys, and a helluva GMlet this guy do his job, and from what I've seen, most of you are willing "to believe"---he'll do the right thing come draft time (like he did last year and jobbed us out of a 6th for moving 1 spot so we could draft a player [Nada] Phil had no intention of taking!)..he learned from the best, and will continue to put forth the effort in turning the Brown ship around...this was the ONLY job he was willing to leave Baltimore for, FWIW

knowing him, and seeing the "need"...my guess:

1--Thomas, if he's there....he knows what locking down the LT position for 10 yrs is worth

2--if he goes QB---Quinn...I don't think he'd take Russell over this kid, given the choice...let Frye start 1 yr

3--trade, if it means top 10 pick + extra 1st day selection...corner is critical, but not worthy of top 3 selection

(his preference is probably trade, but EVERYBODY screams 'trade down', not leaving any viable partners moving up)

I think you have enought @RB to pass on AP early, although it might be addressed early in '08 draft (where a multitude of talented RB's await)

Lots of good points on Phil and the strategy. One thing is for sure, this is an offensive top heavy part of the draft. So when we talk about free agency, there really were not difference maker QBs or WRs to sign. There were not even alot of RBs, but we secured one that MAY be good enough for at least one season. I don't think Phil is avoiding players to not tip his hand. If there are good FA's to get, you gotta get them regardless if you show a card or two.

 

[Banger]

So the Browns have:a. not addressed QB in free agency because they will select a QB with the 3rd pick.b. Shipped Droughns to the Giants to clear the decks and bring in Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson.c. no concern over microfracture surgery for Kellen and the torn ACL of Braylon Edwards who hasn't shown any speed since the injury because they are taking WR Calvin Johnson.d. not addressed LT in free agency because they are selecting Joe Thomas.Which way are they thinking?

E. All of the above. Unfortunately the #3 pick will only fill one of the 4 above mentioned holes.

 

[Bojang0301]

So just about every ESPN writer I have read believes the Browns will select Brady Quinn because a) their owner wants it and b) their fan base wants it. Now I have several friends who are Browns fans and think that taking a QB (especially Quinn) in the first is a terrible idea and would rather have Thomas, Johnson or AD. Personally if I was a Browns fan I would feel the same way. If Lerner and Browns fans are interested in winning now they should go after Trent Green and pray Joe Thomas falls to them which would give them a really solid line for this upcoming season. I know most of this stuff has probably been mentioned before in this threas but what are the feelings of Cleveland fans as the draft comes nearer.

 

[wadegarrett]

So just about every ESPN writer I have read believes the Browns will select Brady Quinn because a) their owner wants it and b) their fan base wants it. Now I have several friends who are Browns fans and think that taking a QB (especially Quinn) in the first is a terrible idea and would rather have Thomas, Johnson or AD. Personally if I was a Browns fan I would feel the same way. If Lerner and Browns fans are interested in winning now they should go after Trent Green and pray Joe Thomas falls to them which would give them a really solid line for this upcoming season. I know most of this stuff has probably been mentioned before in this threas but what are the feelings of Cleveland fans as the draft comes nearer.

1. Trade down (probably won't happen).2. Joe Thomas3. APAlthough I guarantee Russell is #1 on Savage's board.

 

[Bobcat10]

So just about every ESPN writer I have read believes the Browns will select Brady Quinn because a) their owner wants it and b) their fan base wants it. Now I have several friends who are Browns fans and think that taking a QB (especially Quinn) in the first is a terrible idea and would rather have Thomas, Johnson or AD. Personally if I was a Browns fan I would feel the same way. If Lerner and Browns fans are interested in winning now they should go after Trent Green and pray Joe Thomas falls to them which would give them a really solid line for this upcoming season. I know most of this stuff has probably been mentioned before in this threas but what are the feelings of Cleveland fans as the draft comes nearer.

1. Trade down (probably won't happen).2. Joe Thomas3. APAlthough I guarantee Russell is #1 on Savage's board.

I really hope we can turn Calvin into multiple picks.

 

[slowkidz]

1. Trade down (probably won't happen).

2. Joe Thomas

3. AP

Although I guarantee Russell is #1 on Savage's board.

I really hope we can turn Calvin into multiple picks.

My thoughts as well. If CJ is still on the board at 3, you have to imagine that there are at least two other teams willing to trade up in front of TB (Minn/Atl?) But if we fall down, the idea of drafting Thomas goes out the window. Peterson might still be available. My best guess is that if we trade down, we'll be more or less looking for defensive players to select versus offensive. But one can always look towards OL in the second.

 

[The Man With No Name]

A friend of mine says they should draft Calvin, and trade Braylon to Minnesota + something for their 1st rounder. I laughed at him, then thought maybe that's not so far out in left field.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Off topic here. Today at 6:30 STO is showing Glenville vs. Mentor from 2002 with Troy Smith, Ted Ginn, Donte Whitner playing.

 

[BGP]

Here is where I think the chips fall for the Browns:

1. The Browns realistically know Russell isn't going to be there.

2. The Browns probably want either CJ or AP.

HOWEVER, let's toss this scenario out there. Let's imagine the Lions don't select Joe Thomas, and then the Browns pass on him to take a skill-position player. I think this immediately puts the current regime on the hot seat, especially if Thomas does well as a rookie. Every Browns fan here knows that our current left tackle is awful. If Thomas pans out, and we passed on him, the media will eat Savage and Crennel alive, especially if they don't win immediately. Shaffer is going to be garbage this year. Savage will become known as the guy who overpaid for Shaffer and then passed on Thomas.

This isn't to say the Savage should build his team so as to put the least amount of pressure on himself. What I'm saying is this scenario could accelerate the timetable and the expectations for this club.

They better win now if they do this. Or they better grab a lesser LT in the draft like Joe Staley.

 

[chris1969]

NFL Network had Gary Baxter on. He was walking without a limp, said his legs feel strong, and said he'll be back week 1 this season