2007 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

[Browns Rule!]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

 

[Fallerjw]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

I agree that in the past we have not given QBs a fair chance with the line, but consider that the Browns have added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas this offseason. One of the biggest upgrades of any OL in the league IMO. Not to mention the potential if Bentley ever comes back. I the Browns will be MUCH better in the long term with Quinn starting vs. Frye starting.

 

[Browns Rule!]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

I agree that in the past we have not given QBs a fair chance with the line, but consider that the Browns have added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas this offseason. One of the biggest upgrades of any OL in the league IMO. Not to mention the potential if Bentley ever comes back. I the Browns will be MUCH better in the long term with Quinn starting vs. Frye starting.

I agree its possible, but its also very possible Frye will be a great QB. We used a 3rd on him last year, and now thats all for nothing it seems. I'm not saying I disagree with the Quinn thing, I'm just still undecided. Hopefully it was right for us.

 

[Irish]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

I agree that in the past we have not given QBs a fair chance with the line, but consider that the Browns have added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas this offseason. One of the biggest upgrades of any OL in the league IMO. Not to mention the potential if Bentley ever comes back. I the Browns will be MUCH better in the long term with Quinn starting vs. Frye starting.

I agree its possible, but its also very possible Frye will be a great QB. We used a 3rd on him last year, and now thats all for nothing it seems. I'm not saying I disagree with the Quinn thing, I'm just still undecided. Hopefully it was right for us.

You can't be serious?

 

[Fallerjw]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

I agree that in the past we have not given QBs a fair chance with the line, but consider that the Browns have added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas this offseason. One of the biggest upgrades of any OL in the league IMO. Not to mention the potential if Bentley ever comes back. I the Browns will be MUCH better in the long term with Quinn starting vs. Frye starting.

I agree its possible, but its also very possible Frye will be a great QB. We used a 3rd on him last year, and now thats all for nothing it seems. I'm not saying I disagree with the Quinn thing, I'm just still undecided. Hopefully it was right for us.

You can't be serious?

I think he could be a great backup, if he's willing to stick around in Cleveland.

 

[Irish]

One more thing of note that scares me to no ends. Jamal Lewis signed a 1 year contract and was probably 1 of the 5 worst starting RB's last year. After this year, we are stuck without a RB. We will not be able to draft our biggest area of need in the first next year, so we will have to settle for a fill in or try to get lucky later in the draft.

Who's to say now that a RB would be available to us next year in the 1st round? If they didn't weigh that into consideration, then that is a major problem, but Savage said they did look at next draft during his presser (but I think he was speaking about QBs). And if they didn't take a QB this year (I personally am not sold on anyone outside of Quinn/Russell), maybe we'd need a QB and a RB next year. Why not get the QB now I guess is my question and worry about RB when we have to? RB is much easier to fill than QB, especially if you have the OL which we think has been upgraded again.

I think it is much easier for a RB to get comfortable in an offense than it is for a QB to get comfortable in an offense. Most people aren't expecting Quinn to have a great year in 2007. He'll be learning, adjusting to the game at a different level, learning how to work with a different coach and different team mates, etc. A RB will come in and not have as many responsibilities. I think we made the right move. Who knows how Lewis will play this year, but he's proven he can run behind a decent line. I agree with the thinking that if Thomas, Quinn and Wright are solid, all the draft moves will be cheered for years.

If Cleveland thinks QB is an area of need, I agree. But I don't think QB is an area of need. Look at who we've had: Tim Couch, we have ruined his career by letting DL's take target practice on him. Jeff Garcia, he failed in Cleveland when he was successful both in SF before and Philly after. We need the pieces, then the QB will work. As for the RB situation, usually RB is one of the most difficult possesions to get in free agency. If you want a star, you most often need to draft them. Look at who was available this year, McGahee, Dillon, Lewis, and some other scrubs.

I agree that in the past we have not given QBs a fair chance with the line, but consider that the Browns have added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas this offseason. One of the biggest upgrades of any OL in the league IMO. Not to mention the potential if Bentley ever comes back. I the Browns will be MUCH better in the long term with Quinn starting vs. Frye starting.

I agree its possible, but its also very possible Frye will be a great QB. We used a 3rd on him last year, and now thats all for nothing it seems. I'm not saying I disagree with the Quinn thing, I'm just still undecided. Hopefully it was right for us.

You can't be serious?

I think he could be a great backup, if he's willing to stick around in Cleveland.

Great and Charlie Frye should never be used in the same sentence. I agree that he could be a servicable backup and if Quinn is the real deal then that is all Cleveland needs out of Charlie Boy.

 

[chris1969]

Don't mind Irish, he's a Steelers fan. People that follow Frye know his problems are mental than physical. They were multiplied by the fact that we had a weak line. Mental flaws can be coached. Don't let Irish pee in your pool, he's trying to compensate for being a fan on a team on a downhill slide.

 

[nxmehta]

Saw this update on one of the Browns forums:

According to Tony Grossi on STO Kevin Shaffer has requested a trade.

What a loser. If we decide to move him (which we have no obligation to), we should get either a starting RG, a starting NT, or a 2nd round pick. Otherwise this guy should play or ride the bench, as he chooses. We are paying him HUGE bucks to move to an EASIER position!

 

[Irish]

Don't mind Irish, he's a Steelers fan. People that follow Frye know his problems are mental than physical. They were multiplied by the fact that we had a weak line. Mental flaws can be coached. Don't let Irish pee in your pool, he's trying to compensate for being a fan on a team on a downhill slide.

I know the WillBilly known as Charlie Frye pretty well and he is no starting qb. I find it funny that anyone especially Browns fans that would defend that notion. Just be thankful that your team drafted Quinn and hopefully for your sakes won't have to suffer thru another season with ole Charlie under center. If Charlie is your starting qb this season then Savage just handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick next season. I'm glad that there is finally some enthusiam for Browns fans because maybe now the Browns can try and revive the rivalry between the Steelers. It sure was getting boring with the Steelers getting 3 bye weeks every yr.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

How about some predictions on W-L for the Brownies this year? I'd set the over/under at 5 1/2 wins.

 

[chris1969]

How about some predictions on W-L for the Brownies this year? I'd set the over/under at 5 1/2 wins.

That's a better estimate for the Steelers this year than the Browns

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

EXCELLENT draft Browns fans!

Your team has been my punching bag since they've come back - they've been brutal in the draft.

I was arguing with some schmuck that said you 'overpaid' for Quinn.

Please... You gave up an extra second rounder as far as I'm concerned - because any which way you spin it, Brady Quinn is a Top 10 draft prospect. It's not his fault Miami is stupid and no other team really needed a 'young QB to develop'.

So you got your first rounder for next year this year.

Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn is a damned nice haul after your strong defenders from last year.

Nicely played!

 

[chris1969]

Don't mind Irish, he's a Steelers fan. People that follow Frye know his problems are mental than physical. They were multiplied by the fact that we had a weak line. Mental flaws can be coached. Don't let Irish pee in your pool, he's trying to compensate for being a fan on a team on a downhill slide.

I know the WillBilly known as Charlie Frye pretty well and he is no starting qb. I find it funny that anyone especially Browns fans that would defend that notion. Just be thankful that your team drafted Quinn and hopefully for your sakes won't have to suffer thru another season with ole Charlie under center. If Charlie is your starting qb this season then Savage just handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick next season. I'm glad that there is finally some enthusiam for Browns fans because maybe now the Browns can try and revive the rivalry between the Steelers. It sure was getting boring with the Steelers getting 3 bye weeks every yr.

Yeah, I know. It took us becoming an expansion team to let you guys catch up. Don't worry, after this season's record you'll be playing catch-up again. Apparently your coach fell asleep in a meeting and thought they said fix the defense when he was supposed to fix the offense. That's what happens when you don't pick qualified candidates from within.

 

[chris1969]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaSBj-QQIys

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

How about some predictions on W-L for the Brownies this year? I'd set the over/under at 5 1/2 wins.

That's a better estimate for the Steelers this year than the Browns

Hmm...the Steelers haven't won fewer than 6 games since 1988. Since 1988 the Browns have won 5 or less seven times! Starting a rookie QB is likely to make it 8.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

 

[chris1969]

Since 1988 my next door neighbor has mowed his grass from left to right instead of right to left. That doesn't change the fact that your team is on a downhill slide.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Since 1988 my next door neighbor has mowed his grass from left to right instead of right to left. That doesn't change the fact that your team is on a downhill slide.

So, does he go all the way around the globe as to never go right to left? Or do you mean the first pass is left to right? What if he stops for a beer halfway through and leaves the mower on the right? Does he drag it back to the left before resuming? Or does he act like the rest of us and say, "the sooner I get this done, the sooner i can have another beer.." and just pick up where he left off?

 

[chris1969]

Since 1988 my next door neighbor has mowed his grass from left to right instead of right to left. That doesn't change the fact that your team is on a downhill slide.

So, does he go all the way around the globe as to never go right to left? Or do you mean the first pass is left to right? What if he stops for a beer halfway through and leaves the mower on the right? Does he drag it back to the left before resuming? Or does he act like the rest of us and say, "the sooner I get this done, the sooner i can have another beer.." and just pick up where he left off?

No matter what he does, his blinker is on constantly!

 

[Browns Rule!]

Don't mind Irish, he's a Steelers fan. People that follow Frye know his problems are mental than physical. They were multiplied by the fact that we had a weak line. Mental flaws can be coached. Don't let Irish pee in your pool, he's trying to compensate for being a fan on a team on a downhill slide.

I know the WillBilly known as Charlie Frye pretty well and he is no starting qb. I find it funny that anyone especially Browns fans that would defend that notion. Just be thankful that your team drafted Quinn and hopefully for your sakes won't have to suffer thru another season with ole Charlie under center. If Charlie is your starting qb this season then Savage just handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick next season. I'm glad that there is finally some enthusiam for Browns fans because maybe now the Browns can try and revive the rivalry between the Steelers. It sure was getting boring with the Steelers getting 3 bye weeks every yr.

You have no clue. The guy has shown promise but we have never had the tools to keep him protected. There is no way, based on his performance the last 2 years, that you can say he couldn't be great. Maybe a better statement from you would have been he can't be great withouth the tools, but then again, who can?

 

[Bobcat10]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

 

[Bobcat10]

Saw this update on one of the Browns forums:

According to Tony Grossi on STO Kevin Shaffer has requested a trade.

What a loser. If we decide to move him (which we have no obligation to), we should get either a starting RG, a starting NT, or a 2nd round pick. Otherwise this guy should play or ride the bench, as he chooses. We are paying him HUGE bucks to move to an EASIER position!

Yeah we better get compensated for him and not just dump him for scraps cuz he wants out. Shafer should man-up and go compete for his job or move to guard. He'd be getting paid like a LT to play RG and maybe make the line very solid. What a wuss.

 

[wadegarrett]

Shaffer sees future, wants new address

Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Tony Grossi

Cleveland Plain Dealer

With top draft pick Joe Thomas penciled in at left tackle for the Browns, the agent for Kevin Shaffer said he will ask the team for permission to seek a trade.

"I think Kevin, in our dialogue, would welcome an opportunity to go somewhere else," agent Alan Herman said on Monday.

A trade that would have sent Shaffer to the New York Giants has fallen through, for now. Giants General Manager Jerry Reese confirmed to New York reporters that he spoke to the Browns about Shaffer on Sunday. But the teams apparently couldn't agree on a deal.

"At this time, we are going to maintain our depth at the position," Browns General Manager Phil Savage said in an e-mail response.

Other teams possibly searching for an experienced left tackle include Houston and Miami.

Herman believes Shaffer is an attractive player because of his experience and contract. Shaffer was one of Savage's high-profile signings in the 2006 free-agent season. Shaffer received a $36 million deal over seven years, with $12 million in signing and option bonuses.

Because the bonuses already have been paid by the Browns, Shaffer would take up less space on a traded team's salary cap than he does with the Browns. Trading Shaffer would result in a "significant" hit on the Browns' salary cap - upwards of $8 million - but Herman believes the Browns have the room to absorb it.

Shaffer, 27, started all 16 games at left tackle in his first year with the Browns, but the re views were not good. He became expendable after the Browns used their first draft pick Saturday on Thomas.

During the draft, Savage and coach Romeo Crennel both said Thomas would be given the opportunity to win the starting job at left tackle. Crennel hinted Shaffer could compete with Thomas, but also could be tried at right guard, where a starting position is open.

"I'm sure Kevin would prefer to remain at left tackle and if not there, then right tackle," Herman said. "And if it wasn't meant to be there, no hard feelings, and he'd prefer to move on and play somewhere else. But it takes two to tango."

The Browns said they expect Ryan Tucker to return as their right tackle. Other tackles on the roster include Kelly Butler, who started five games at right tackle when Tucker left for an emotional problem, and Nat Dorsey.

It's possible talks with the Giants could reopen. Other teams could gain interest, too, after evaluating their draft picks and veterans after upcoming minicamps.

The Browns might also want to wait for the full team minicamp in June before reassessing their asking price for Shaffer.

 

[Bobcat10]

Anyone have anything on Undrafted FA's? All I've seen is Tyrone Moss from Miami, but that was on another board so I'm not sure.

 

[Peak]

Anyone have anything on Undrafted FA's? All I've seen is Tyrone Moss from Miami, but that was on another board so I'm not sure.

Here is what I've seen from DraftDaddy - UDFA ListsCleveland

Undrafted Free Agents:

Brent Pousson, OT, McNeese State

Nick Davila, QB, Cincinnati (try-out)

Tyrone Moss, RB, Miami-Florida

Funtaine Hunter, LB, Vanderbilt

Willy Idlette, WR, W.Forest

Jerome Jackson, RB, Michigan

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.

They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

 

[wadegarrett]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

However you want to spin it Sparky.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

<_< However you want to spin it Sparky.

What's your prediction there Wade?

 

[wadegarrett]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

<_< However you want to spin it Sparky.

What's your prediction there Wade?

Browns were two late 4th quarter collapses (BAL and PIT) away from 6 wins last year. If they could have run the ball, they would have won those games. For him to say that winning 7-8 games would be 'overperforming' is ridiculous. 7 or 8 wins is definitely reachable and I expect them to be right around there.

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

If they didn't have collapses they "Could Have" won 6 games.

7-8 is certainly overperforming. 5-6 wins would be considered a "Good" season by browns standards.

3-4 wins is average.

 

[Fallerjw]

If they didn't have collapses they "Could Have" won 6 games.7-8 is certainly overperforming. 5-6 wins would be considered a "Good" season by browns standards.3-4 wins is average.

I agree, 3-4 wins with last years roster is average. Like Wade pointed out, we were close in a lot of games. With the ability to control the line of scrimmage we win at least 2 more games even last year. Add in a better secondary, some experience at the LB position, and a vastly improved OL this year. All of the sudden, 7 - 8 wins looks pretty attainable. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I'd say overperforming for this team would be 9 - 10 wins. 4 - 5 wins would be underperforming for sure.

 

[chris1969]

If they didn't have collapses they "Could Have" won 6 games.7-8 is certainly overperforming. 5-6 wins would be considered a "Good" season by browns standards.3-4 wins is average.

Let the Browns fans worry about what the Browns standards are Tomczak. You should worry more about how the Steelers will be lucky to win 6 games this year.

 

[Tecumseh]

Here's how I see it:

1 Sun. Sep 9 Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ----- Loss

2 Sun. Sep 16 Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

3 Sun. Sep 23 @ Raiders 4:05 p.m. ET ------Win

4 Sun. Sep 30 Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Win

5 Sun. Oct 7 @ Patriots 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

6 Sun. Oct 14 Dolphins 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

8 Sun. Oct 28 @ Rams 1:00 p.m. ET -------Loss

9 Sun. Nov 4 Seahawks 4:05 p.m. ET ------- Loss

10 Sun. Nov 11 @ Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

11 Sun. Nov 18 @ Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

12 Sun. Nov 25 Texans 1:00 p.m. ET -------- Win

13 Sun. Dec 2 @ Cardinals 4:05 p.m. ET -------- Win

14 Sun. Dec 9 @ Jets 4:15 p.m. ET ------ Win

15 Sun. Dec 16 Bills 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

16 Sun. Dec 23 @ Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

17 Sun. Dec 30 49ers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

7-9

 

[mr blond]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.

They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

How do you figure? He had 314 carries, 1250 total yards and 9 TD's last season. Sure, he's on the down side of his career and only managed a 3.5 YPC, but it is far from being "silly." Cleveland RB's averaged 3.3 YPC last season, so with the addition of Steinbach and Thomas, I see Lewis improving on at least his YPC and rushing yard totals from last year. Lewis is very much a #1 RB in this league.

 

[Bobcat10]

If they didn't have collapses they "Could Have" won 6 games.7-8 is certainly overperforming. 5-6 wins would be considered a "Good" season by browns standards.3-4 wins is average.

Let the Browns fans worry about what the Browns standards are Tomczak. You should worry more about how the Steelers will be lucky to win 6 games this year.

He's never really added anything conversation worthy in a Browns thread. So this is typical stuff.

 

[schaef2k]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.

They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

How do you figure? He had 314 carries, 1250 total yards and 9 TD's last season. Sure, he's on the down side of his career and only managed a 3.5 YPC, but it is far from being "silly." Cleveland RB's averaged 3.3 YPC last season, so with the addition of Steinbach and Thomas, I see Lewis improving on at least his YPC and rushing yard totals from last year. Lewis is very much a #1 RB in this league.

He was also playing with bone spurs in his foot last year IIRC.

 

[Bobcat10]

Here's how I see it:1 Sun. Sep 9 Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ----- Loss2 Sun. Sep 16 Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss3 Sun. Sep 23 @ Raiders 4:05 p.m. ET ------Win4 Sun. Sep 30 Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Win5 Sun. Oct 7 @ Patriots 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss6 Sun. Oct 14 Dolphins 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win8 Sun. Oct 28 @ Rams 1:00 p.m. ET -------Loss9 Sun. Nov 4 Seahawks 4:05 p.m. ET ------- Loss 10 Sun. Nov 11 @ Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss11 Sun. Nov 18 @ Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss12 Sun. Nov 25 Texans 1:00 p.m. ET -------- Win13 Sun. Dec 2 @ Cardinals 4:05 p.m. ET -------- Win14 Sun. Dec 9 @ Jets 4:15 p.m. ET ------ Win15 Sun. Dec 16 Bills 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win16 Sun. Dec 23 @ Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss17 Sun. Dec 30 49ers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss7-9

I think this is pretty good. I've been hearing people say this schedule is brutal, but I'd rather play the AFC East over the South/West (we already get Oak and Hou) and the NFC West over the East, probably not the North though. 2008 is looking tougher if you ask me (NFC East and AFC South).

 

[BGP]

Re: Joe ThomasI've been reading some different browns discussions on the web. This exchange made some interesting points about Joe Thomas.

The knock on him according to the talking heads on ESPN is his so-called lack of strength, because he couldn't press more than x reps at the combine. Give me a break. Call me when the bench press becomes a football skill.

Well, keeping a bull-rusher off of you involves substantial upper-body strength (as well as footwork, etc.), and Thomas isn't huge for an NFL tackle. It wouldn't bother me to see him put on 10-15 pounds of muscle, provided he doesn't sacrifice quickness.

Except he plays against two 3-4 teams in his division now where you'll playing speed rushing LB's as a rusher. Food for thought.

I think the last part made a great point. Joe Thomas' weakness is lack of strength, but because he went to the AFC North, upper-body strength isn't as critical because he'll be seeing more LBs, so he should be a good fit when trying to win the division.

 

[Bobcat10]

Re: Joe ThomasI've been reading some different browns discussions on the web. This exchange made some interesting points about Joe Thomas.

The knock on him according to the talking heads on ESPN is his so-called lack of strength, because he couldn't press more than x reps at the combine. Give me a break. Call me when the bench press becomes a football skill.

Well, keeping a bull-rusher off of you involves substantial upper-body strength (as well as footwork, etc.), and Thomas isn't huge for an NFL tackle. It wouldn't bother me to see him put on 10-15 pounds of muscle, provided he doesn't sacrifice quickness.

Except he plays against two 3-4 teams in his division now where you'll playing speed rushing LB's as a rusher. Food for thought.

I think the last part made a great point. Joe Thomas' weakness is lack of strength, but because he went to the AFC North, upper-body strength isn't as critical because he'll be seeing more LBs, so he should be a good fit when trying to win the division.

I tend to side on the fact that while it's a nice figure to track, it's nowhere near the top of important traits needed to play in the league. I don't see Kudla plowing over centers every play because he tied the record for bench press.

 

[amnesiac]

speak softly and carry a big brown trout.

 

[Irish]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

Colt Brennan Hawaii

 

[chris1969]

Here's how I see it:

1 Sun. Sep 9 Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ----- Loss Win

2 Sun. Sep 16 Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

3 Sun. Sep 23 @ Raiders 4:05 p.m. ET ------Win

4 Sun. Sep 30 Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Win

5 Sun. Oct 7 @ Patriots 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

6 Sun. Oct 14 Dolphins 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

8 Sun. Oct 28 @ Rams 1:00 p.m. ET -------Loss

9 Sun. Nov 4 Seahawks 4:05 p.m. ET ------- Loss

10 Sun. Nov 11 @ Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss Win

11 Sun. Nov 18 @ Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

12 Sun. Nov 25 Texans 1:00 p.m. ET -------- Win

13 Sun. Dec 2 @ Cardinals 4:05 p.m. ET -------- Win

14 Sun. Dec 9 @ Jets 4:15 p.m. ET ------ Win

15 Sun. Dec 16 Bills 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

16 Sun. Dec 23 @ Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

17 Sun. Dec 30 49ers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

7-9 9-7

Looks better now!

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

Here's how I see it:

1 Sun. Sep 9 Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ----- Loss Win

2 Sun. Sep 16 Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

3 Sun. Sep 23 @ Raiders 4:05 p.m. ET ------Win

4 Sun. Sep 30 Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Win

5 Sun. Oct 7 @ Patriots 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

6 Sun. Oct 14 Dolphins 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

8 Sun. Oct 28 @ Rams 1:00 p.m. ET -------Loss

9 Sun. Nov 4 Seahawks 4:05 p.m. ET ------- Loss

10 Sun. Nov 11 @ Steelers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss Win

11 Sun. Nov 18 @ Ravens 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

12 Sun. Nov 25 Texans 1:00 p.m. ET -------- Win

13 Sun. Dec 2 @ Cardinals 4:05 p.m. ET -------- Win

14 Sun. Dec 9 @ Jets 4:15 p.m. ET ------ Win

15 Sun. Dec 16 Bills 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Win

16 Sun. Dec 23 @ Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET ------ Loss

17 Sun. Dec 30 49ers 1:00 p.m. ET ------- Loss

7-9 9-7

Looks better now!

Haha. When was the last time the browns even beat the steelers, let alone twice in a season?

 

[jurb26]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

Colt Brennan Hawaii

Brohm, Henne and Ange are all far better prospects than Quinn IMO.

 

[wadegarrett]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

Colt Brennan Hawaii

Brohm, Henne and Ange are all far better prospects than Quinn IMO.

Based on last year, I'd say none of them are better. Brohm was comparable, but not better. Henne and Ainge definitely not. Obviously this could change depending on their '07 seaons.

 

[Bobcat10]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

Colt Brennan Hawaii

Brohm, Henne and Ange are all far better prospects than Quinn IMO.

Good thing that's just your opinion.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I like this draft for them. Quinn without Thomas would have been trouble. Netting both wa a coup. While I think there will be 3, maybe 4 QBs next year better then QUinn that might have been ahd with Cle's 08 1st rounder, going on and getting the ball rolling in 07 was a no-brainer.

Thanks for chiming in. Who are the QBs next year you are thinking about? I was saying about a page back Brohm and Henne, but couldn't come up with a 3rd QB that had top 20 draft pick potential. I could easily be overlooking somebody though (and I'm not even sold on Henne, but he should be considered for sure).

Colt Brennan Hawaii

Brohm, Henne and Ange are all far better prospects than Quinn IMO.

:(

 

[Bobcat10]

Hey Boxer,

What do you think of Weis coming back at Quinn accuracy critics by basically saying they shouldn't assume the WRs were always in proper position? Were WRs like McNight and Jeff S. poor route runners, or not consistant? Or is Weis just sticking up for his QB in any way shape or form? It's not like Quinn completed under 60% the past two years.

Heard that, I think, from a Romeo/Savage presser draft day weekend.

 

[ravnzfan]

If Cleveland wins 7-8 games theyre overperforming.

They have a decent secondary, and have done well in the draft. Signing Jamal Lewis and expecting him to be a #1 back is silly. I think we will see Cleveland in true form this year, competing in many games but not winning in most of them.

How do you figure? He had 314 carries, 1250 total yards and 9 TD's last season. Sure, he's on the down side of his career and only managed a 3.5 YPC, but it is far from being "silly." Cleveland RB's averaged 3.3 YPC last season, so with the addition of Steinbach and Thomas, I see Lewis improving on at least his YPC and rushing yard totals from last year. Lewis is very much a #1 RB in this league.

He was also playing with bone spurs in his foot last year IIRC.

that would be correct...played dinged up last yr, and no training camp the year beforeJamal will have his avg yr....1400 comb/7TD's

not earth shattering, but certainly servicable---if JJ, Edwards and KW-II all hit the field the same time w/Lewis, this could be a nice little squad moving forward

I've said it before and I continue to believe this is the most competitive division in football right now

while the Raven draft netted vets McNair/McGahee and a starting G in Grubbs, about the only other thing we got out of it was a burner for the returns---a nice weapon, Bears fans will tell you!

Pitt & Cinn did just about as well as we (BAlt) did, so in my eyes, Phil & Co closed the gap somewhat w/the FA's and draft this offseason

while Clev might still finish 4th (6/7 W's this yr), I don't see a 13 win season for anyone in the division this yr

(maybe 11, by anyone of the other 3)

 

[wadegarrett]

Browns to cut lineman Andruzzi

Posted by Mary Kay Cabot

May 02, 2007 12:00PM

Cleveland.com

Browns starting left guard Joe Andruzzi will be cut today, a source close to the Browns said.

Andruzzi, who was set to make $1.5 million this season and is signed through 2008, has been the Browns starting left guard since he was signed as an unrestricted free agent from the Patriots in 2005. Andruzzi, a 10-year pro, was a favorite of coach Romeo Crennel's both on and

off the field because of his great attitude and work ethic.

Andruzzi, who battled through a knee injury last season, became expendable because the Browns signed guard Eric Steinbach and Seth McKinney in free agency. They also have second-year pro Isaac Sowells competing for a job.

Andruzzi was originally signed by the Browns to a four-year deal worth $9 million in 2005.