2007 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Pip's Invitation]

Vikes fans:

I am seriously considering taking Minny this week in one of my survivor pools.

Am I insane?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikes fans:I am seriously considering taking Minny this week in one of my survivor pools.Am I insane?

You're playing with fire. But if you have to pick the Vikes to win this season, this weekend is your shot.The only other winnable games this year are at home vs. Oakland and at the Giants.

 

[snogger]

Vikes fans:I am seriously considering taking Minny this week in one of my survivor pools.Am I insane?

You're playing with fire. But if you have to pick the Vikes to win this season, this weekend is your shot.

I'm saving them for the Oakland game. There is a good chance the rookie will be starting by then.

 

[BigJim®]

Vikes fans:I am seriously considering taking Minny this week in one of my survivor pools.Am I insane?

In short, yes. My disappointment with the Vikes completely aside, one of my golden rules in my office pool has been to always take KC at home, no matter who they are playing. I don't have any historic numbers for you, but that always seems to pay off for me. They just seem to be a different team at home, and this one is particularly scary being their first home game of 2007 with an 0-2 record... feels like the Vikes may see a different KC team.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

:whitecorner:

 

[Andy Dufresne]

FYI - The starting offense has two TD passes through pre-season and three regular season games. One by Bobby Wade and another on a flare pass that AP took 60 yards for a score.

The scheme isn't even giving these guys a chance to perform. Might as well send eight or nine guys out on the field and not even send the WR's out.

 

[Rogi]

Unless the Vikings find some offense, the rest of the season doesn't look very bright. They just finished the easiest part of their schedule in my opinion and only came up with 1 win. I didn't expect the Super Bowl this year, but did think they had a fair chance at starting 3-0. On the bright side, they have a good chance of getting a high draft pick again.

 

[JMon348]

Look at the schedule fellas, we honestly have a shot at the #1 pick, i couldnt dare say that 2 weeks ago after that falcons thrashing.

on the positive AD looks awesome. Pat and Kevin look great. EJ and Chad look good, and I think the scheme is causing the DBs to suffer, but they look ok at times.

Shinacoe should have had a TD, Ferguson should have had a TD, i cant believe we lost this game.

We should be underdogs for the next 6 games, our only chance at a win is next week at GB and at home vs Philly in a month, other than that, it looks bleak for the next month and a half

im going to predict 4 wins this year

 

[Donnybrook]

With Minnesota’s defense, they only really need to have mediocre QB play to win games. I still don’t understand how QBs like Bollinger and Holocomb have jobs when a QB like Tim Rattay is out on the street. Rattay is not a special talent but he is a good game manager and has defied the odds a few times in his career.

 

[JMon348]

With Minnesota’s defense, they only really need to have mediocre QB play to win games. I still don’t understand how QBs like Bollinger and Holocomb have jobs when a QB like Tim Rattay is out on the street. Rattay is not a special talent but he is a good game manager and has defied the odds a few times in his career.

id love to what bevell and childress could do with rattay

 

[snogger]

Here is what is completely ing...

3" to the right on a 4th quarter FG @ Detriot and the right TD call in the first half yesterday, or Holcomb hits a WIDE OPEN Ferguson near the end of the first half and the Vikes could be 3-0..

Not that they deserve to be 3-0 with the crappy play calling, but it sure would have made this weeks game against the Packers a LOT more interesting.

Now, Favre is looking to make history the Vikes are looking at a 1-3 start.

Like I told my wife last night; If Favre doesn't throw for over 300 yards on Sunday he needs to retire.

 

[snogger]

Look at the schedule fellas, we honestly have a shot at the #1 pick, i couldnt dare say that 2 weeks ago after that falcons thrashing.on the positive AD looks awesome. Pat and Kevin look great. EJ and Chad look good, and I think the scheme is causing the DBs to suffer, but they look ok at times.Shinacoe should have had a TD, Ferguson should have had a TD, i cant believe we lost this game.We should be underdogs for the next 6 games, our only chance at a win is next week at GB and at home vs Philly in a month, other than that, it looks bleak for the next month and a halfim going to predict 4 wins this year

FWIW.. Next week is in the Dome vs. GB. and it doesn't look good after giving up 250+ passing yards to Huard and Favre looking to make history.

 

[BigJim®]

Vikes fans:

I am seriously considering taking Minny this week in one of my survivor pools.

Am I insane?

In short, yes. My disappointment with the Vikes completely aside, one of my golden rules in my office pool has been to always take KC at home, no matter who they are playing. I don't have any historic numbers for you, but that always seems to pay off for me. They just seem to be a different team at home, and this one is particularly scary being their first home game of 2007 with an 0-2 record... feels like the Vikes may see a different KC team.

Actually, I have historic numbers now because they gave them on the Vikes broadcast: KC leads the nfl with a 75% home winning percentage over the past 25 years, and now have a 21-4 record at home vs. NFC Noth [central] teams over the past decade.BTW- this offense blows. I could write another 3 paragraphs asking why a team hires a complete nobody OC to let him learn on the fly, or why does a team go into a season with nothing at the QB position, but why bother.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

 

[BigJim®]

Players have to make plays. I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

Don't miss the forrest through the trees. The Vikes were playing a bottom 5 team, and the outcome of 1-2 plays should not determine a winner unless the Vikes too are a bottom 5 team. I'd say we are. I think most teams would beat KC even when a play here or there doesn't work out. Taking that one step further, if we get those 2 plays against nearly any other NFL team, we still lose 31-17. Another glowing example of our offensive futility is that McCown (315 yards/2 TDs) and McNabb (350 yards/4 TDs in 1st half) were able to destroy a Lions D that TJ tossed for 166 4 INTs. I don;t think that's a fluke; it's a reflection of a junk offense.

 

[snogger]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

How about the fact the most explosive player on Viking Offense right now was on the sidelines on the last drive where all they needed was a FG to send it to OT?? and before you say "He was tired due to running all day:

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1440660.html

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1440660.htmlhttp://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1440660.htmlthe Vikings took the field with 1 minute, 39 seconds remaining, 80 yards in front of them and in desperate need of a big play, their greatest offensive threat stood on the sideline. Running back Adrian Peterson, who had rushed for 102 yards on 25 carries and caught three passes for 48 yards, was relegated to the role of spectator in the two-minute offense. Vikings coach Brad Childress said Peterson was held out because of concerns about his ability to provide pass protection.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1440660.html
http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1440660.html

Oh and BTW.. that's two weeks in a row Childress has decided AP on the sidelines on a big drive was the best way to go. The end of Childress's Coaching can't come soon enough for this Viking fan.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Oh and BTW.. that's two weeks in a row Childress has decided AP on the sidelines on a big drive was the best way to go. The end of Childress's Coaching can't come soon enough for this Viking fan.

And this is why it IS a coaching problem. Chili thinks he's smarter than everyone else and that is dangerous in a coach. EVERYONE remember, Chili came here because he said that Minnesota was in BETTER shape personnel wise than Green Bay. Which team would you rather be now?

 

[jestertj]

This team needs to draft OL, specifically tackles, and WR in the draft. The QB isn't the problem. I don't care who you put back there. They will have no time and no real targets. I don't think the play calling has been stellar, but not Art Shell bad either. You had a call on the Siancoe TD not go your way yesterday, and the miss to a wide open Ferguson. Coulda, woulda, shoulda - 24 points. This team will struggle on the road with McKinnie (overhyped) and Cook (still learning?) playing, but will be a better team at home. Maybe even good enough to really frustrate the fans.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

This team needs to draft OL, specifically tackles, and WR in the draft. The QB isn't the problem. I don't care who you put back there. They will have no time and no real targets. I don't think the play calling has been stellar, but not Art Shell bad either. You had a call on the Siancoe TD not go your way yesterday, and the miss to a wide open Ferguson. Coulda, woulda, shoulda - 24 points. This team will struggle on the road with McKinnie (overhyped) and Cook (still learning?) playing, but will be a better team at home. Maybe even good enough to really frustrate the fans.

That's comical considering how much money this team has sunk into O-Lineman.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

Don't miss the forrest through the trees. The Vikes were playing a bottom 5 team, and the outcome of 1-2 plays should not determine a winner unless the Vikes too are a bottom 5 team. I'd say we are. I think most teams would beat KC even when a play here or there doesn't work out. Taking that one step further, if we get those 2 plays against nearly any other NFL team, we still lose 31-17. Another glowing example of our offensive futility is that McCown (315 yards/2 TDs) and McNabb (350 yards/4 TDs in 1st half) were able to destroy a Lions D that TJ tossed for 166 4 INTs. I don;t think that's a fluke; it's a reflection of a junk offense.

or players not making plays

 

[jestertj]

This team needs to draft OL, specifically tackles, and WR in the draft. The QB isn't the problem. I don't care who you put back there. They will have no time and no real targets. I don't think the play calling has been stellar, but not Art Shell bad either. You had a call on the Siancoe TD not go your way yesterday, and the miss to a wide open Ferguson. Coulda, woulda, shoulda - 24 points. This team will struggle on the road with McKinnie (overhyped) and Cook (still learning?) playing, but will be a better team at home. Maybe even good enough to really frustrate the fans.

That's comical considering how much money this team has sunk into O-Lineman.

The play of McKinnie and Cook is comical.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This team needs to draft OL, specifically tackles, and WR in the draft. The QB isn't the problem. I don't care who you put back there. They will have no time and no real targets. I don't think the play calling has been stellar, but not Art Shell bad either. You had a call on the Siancoe TD not go your way yesterday, and the miss to a wide open Ferguson. Coulda, woulda, shoulda - 24 points. This team will struggle on the road with McKinnie (overhyped) and Cook (still learning?) playing, but will be a better team at home. Maybe even good enough to really frustrate the fans.

That's comical considering how much money this team has sunk into O-Lineman.

The money spent on McKinnie was a waste. Outside of a stretch of 6 games in the 2005-2006 season, he's been a bust and is obviously regressing.

 

[BigJim®]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

Don't miss the forrest through the trees. The Vikes were playing a bottom 5 team, and the outcome of 1-2 plays should not determine a winner unless the Vikes too are a bottom 5 team. I'd say we are. I think most teams would beat KC even when a play here or there doesn't work out. Taking that one step further, if we get those 2 plays against nearly any other NFL team, we still lose 31-17. Another glowing example of our offensive futility is that McCown (315 yards/2 TDs) and McNabb (350 yards/4 TDs in 1st half) were able to destroy a Lions D that TJ tossed for 166 4 INTs. I don;t think that's a fluke; it's a reflection of a junk offense.

or players not making plays

Uh, ok whatever. I guess reality and you will have to agree to disagree.

 

[mozzy84]

FYI - The starting offense has two TD passes through pre-season and three regular season games. One by Bobby Wade and another on a flare pass that AP took 60 yards for a score.



The scheme isn't even giving these guys a chance to perform. Might as well send eight or nine guys out on the field and not even send the WR's out.

it totally isnt, and our o-line somehow totally sucks when its supposed to be good, mckinnie cash in at the right time it seems.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

Don't miss the forrest through the trees. The Vikes were playing a bottom 5 team, and the outcome of 1-2 plays should not determine a winner unless the Vikes too are a bottom 5 team. I'd say we are. I think most teams would beat KC even when a play here or there doesn't work out. Taking that one step further, if we get those 2 plays against nearly any other NFL team, we still lose 31-17. Another glowing example of our offensive futility is that McCown (315 yards/2 TDs) and McNabb (350 yards/4 TDs in 1st half) were able to destroy a Lions D that TJ tossed for 166 4 INTs. I don;t think that's a fluke; it's a reflection of a junk offense.

or players not making plays

Uh, ok whatever. I guess reality and you will have to agree to disagree.

So the reality is they have great playmakers on offense and the coaching staff is misusing them? I don't believe this is the case. They just don't have skill players (other than Peterson) that have the ability to change the game. The playcall on that pass to Ferguson was perfect. They also can't run Peterson all day long because he will never hold up. They need playmakers and they don't have them. You can criticize Childress all you want but the players have to make the plays and they don't have enough to do so.

And McKinnie is TERRIBLE!

 

[jestertj]

Players have to make plays.

I don't think that yesterday was a coaching problem. The o-line can't block anybody and the QB missed a wide open WR. They are two plays (missed FG and bad pass) from being 3-0. They don't have the talent on offense (yet - other than Peterson) to take that next step, and I don't see it as being a coaching problem.

Don't miss the forrest through the trees. The Vikes were playing a bottom 5 team, and the outcome of 1-2 plays should not determine a winner unless the Vikes too are a bottom 5 team. I'd say we are. I think most teams would beat KC even when a play here or there doesn't work out. Taking that one step further, if we get those 2 plays against nearly any other NFL team, we still lose 31-17. Another glowing example of our offensive futility is that McCown (315 yards/2 TDs) and McNabb (350 yards/4 TDs in 1st half) were able to destroy a Lions D that TJ tossed for 166 4 INTs. I don;t think that's a fluke; it's a reflection of a junk offense.

or players not making plays

Uh, ok whatever. I guess reality and you will have to agree to disagree.

So the reality is they have great playmakers on offense and the coaching staff is misusing them? I don't believe this is the case. They just don't have skill players (other than Peterson) that have the ability to change the game. The playcall on that pass to Ferguson was perfect. They also can't run Peterson all day long because he will never hold up. They need playmakers and they don't have them. You can criticize Childress all you want but the players have to make the plays and they don't have enough to do so.

And McKinnie is TERRIBLE!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So the reality is they have great playmakers on offense and the coaching staff is misusing them? I don't believe this is the case. They just don't have skill players (other than Peterson) that have the ability to change the game. The playcall on that pass to Ferguson was perfect. They also can't run Peterson all day long because he will never hold up. They need playmakers and they don't have them. You can criticize Childress all you want but the players have to make the plays and they don't have enough to do so.And McKinnie is TERRIBLE!

Uh,1. Tarvaris is Chili's guy. He has my passing accuracy. Holcombe (who is also terrible) can at least make a pass. Remember, they passed on trying to get Cutler, and they passed on Quinn this year despite needing a QB. Then they stupidly let Thigpen disappear. This team WASTES draft picks on QB's like draft picks grows on trees (Bollinger and Holcombe both cost the team picks).2. The first year Chili is here they blew the farm on an offensive GUARD. A Guard. Usually you don't blow the bank on a Guard. A tackle? Maybe. A guard, no.3. Chili also evaluated and decided McKinnie was worth a kings ransom. So, where is ALL your offense money? A Guard, and a tackle who is so overpaid it is sad.Those three decisions will set this team back another 5 years. The team sucks now mostly because a good chunk of the draft picks made by Tice have been awful with only a few gems. Look at the Patriots and how many of their late round picks turn into players while we throw them away for QB's that nobody wants.My prediction is still this: 4-12 and Chili is back next year because Wilf doesn't want to admit he made a mistake.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This does not bode well for a team that needed a new stadium 5 years ago.

 

[BigJim®]

So the reality is they have great playmakers on offense and the coaching staff is misusing them? I don't believe this is the case. They just don't have skill players (other than Peterson) that have the ability to change the game. The playcall on that pass to Ferguson was perfect. They also can't run Peterson all day long because he will never hold up. They need playmakers and they don't have them. You can criticize Childress all you want but the players have to make the plays and they don't have enough to do so.And McKinnie is TERRIBLE!

Uh,1. Tarvaris is Chili's guy. He has my passing accuracy. Holcombe (who is also terrible) can at least make a pass. Remember, they passed on trying to get Cutler, and they passed on Quinn this year despite needing a QB. Then they stupidly let Thigpen disappear. This team WASTES draft picks on QB's like draft picks grows on trees (Bollinger and Holcombe both cost the team picks).2. The first year Chili is here they blew the farm on an offensive GUARD. A Guard. Usually you don't blow the bank on a Guard. A tackle? Maybe. A guard, no.3. Chili also evaluated and decided McKinnie was worth a kings ransom. So, where is ALL your offense money? A Guard, and a tackle who is so overpaid it is sad.Those three decisions will set this team back another 5 years. The team sucks now mostly because a good chunk of the draft picks made by Tice have been awful with only a few gems. Look at the Patriots and how many of their late round picks turn into players while we throw them away for QB's that nobody wants.My prediction is still this: 4-12 and Chili is back next year because Wilf doesn't want to admit he made a mistake.

What he said. It is comical that people are pointing fingers at players that this staff put together in the same argument to excuse that staff. Don't you remember that TJ is such a promising player that the Vikes didn't need to have anyone but Bollinger as a backup QB? Don't you remember that this staff saw Culpepper as a bad fit for Childress' offense and used the pick to draft OT/G Cook? Don't you remember that Brad Johnson was a good fit to execute Childress' "Kick-###' offense? Don't you remember this staff hand picking Bobby Wade as its vet WR to pursue in FA? Do you recall this staff drafting 3 rookie WRs to compliment Wade/Williamson, and resorting to giving serious minutes to table scraps like Ferguson when it realized it was in trouble? Don't you recall this staff targetting Shiancoe and signing him to a contract arguably deserved only by a premier NFL TE? Wouldn't this staff have blessed McKinnie prior to personnel extending him longterm? This offense has the grimy fingerprints of this staff all over it. In reality, I agree with you that the talent is poor, but that is a reflection of an egotistical staff that selected questionable personnel to carry out the offense. This offense is putting up strikingly bad numbers for the 2nd year in a row now with the same chefs in the kitchen, with the same recipes they drew up, and you are blaming it on the groceries those chefs selected to cook with?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Chili's press conference today.

AP was not on the field the last 1:40 because:

First, he explains the wrong reason that the media guessed at:

"Not because he can't pick up the blitz. He did that well earlier in the game."

The reasons:

1. KC may "exotic" blitz.

2. We weren't going to be running the football then anyway.

So, let me get this straight. You take your #1 playmaker off the field because KC may "exotic" blitz you, and because you're not going to run?

Why does this man have a coaching job anywhere but a Division III college somewhere?

 

[jestertj]

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the lack of Mewelde on punt returns. I think he is a better than average punt returner and could do much better than Bobby Wade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Chili's press conference today.AP was not on the field the last 1:40 because:First, he explains the wrong reason that the media guessed at:"Not because he can't pick up the blitz. He did that well earlier in the game."The reasons:1. KC may "exotic" blitz.2. We weren't going to be running the football then anyway.So, let me get this straight. You take your #1 playmaker off the field because KC may "exotic" blitz you, and because you're not going to run?Why does this man have a coaching job anywhere but a Division III college somewhere?

Um, Brad. They were only rushing three.

 

[jestertj]

They only needed to rush Allen and Hali. By the time the QB plants that 5th step, his first read has to be open or else it's a sack.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hypothetically speaking: What are some of the good head coaching candidates that should be considered to replace Chili for the 2008-2009 season?

Gregg Williams? Mike Singletary? Jerry Glanville?

 

[SayWhat?]

Chili's press conference today.AP was not on the field the last 1:40 because:First, he explains the wrong reason that the media guessed at:"Not because he can't pick up the blitz. He did that well earlier in the game."The reasons:1. KC may "exotic" blitz.2. We weren't going to be running the football then anyway.So, let me get this straight. You take your #1 playmaker off the field because KC may "exotic" blitz you, and because you're not going to run?Why does this man have a coaching job anywhere but a Division III college somewhere?

Seriously, I was listening online to him sputter out nonsensical answers, topped off by this doozy, and nearly punched my monitor. Childress is a dunce. Plain and simple. Peterson is a top 5 running back talent in the entire league (yes, you read that correctly) and his first few years are going to be wasted with Childress "running" the show.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Chili's press conference today.

AP was not on the field the last 1:40 because:

First, he explains the wrong reason that the media guessed at:

"Not because he can't pick up the blitz. He did that well earlier in the game."

The reasons:

1. KC may "exotic" blitz.

2. We weren't going to be running the football then anyway.

So, let me get this straight. You take your #1 playmaker off the field because KC may "exotic" blitz you, and because you're not going to run?

Why does this man have a coaching job anywhere but a Division III college somewhere?

John Gagliardi at St. John's (Minn.) would completely outcoach Chilli.

 

[Vikes Fan]

All this talk about the O-Line I think is completely warented. I agree that one of our strengths has become a weakness. That being said, could this too go back to coaching? McKinnie has gone backwards since the arrival of Chilli and his zone-blocking scheme. Hutch and Birk seemed to struggle last year as well and both had never been a part of a zone scheme before. Should the Vikings be blocking Man to Man? When was the last time Birk pulled on run? These used to be things the O-Line did well and it all seems to be lost.

4 wins at best.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

All this talk about the O-Line I think is completely warented. I agree that one of our strengths has become a weakness. That being said, could this too go back to coaching? McKinnie has gone backwards since the arrival of Chilli and his zone-blocking scheme. Hutch and Birk seemed to struggle last year as well and both had never been a part of a zone scheme before. Should the Vikings be blocking Man to Man? When was the last time Birk pulled on run? These used to be things the O-Line did well and it all seems to be lost.4 wins at best.

Well that's just it isn't it? The O-Line. We put all our eggs in that basket and they are underperforming AGAIN this year. You could say one year was a coaching staff - Line feeling out period, but no, they actually suck and look at all that moola.4 wins sounds right to me.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Hypothetically speaking: What are some of the good head coaching candidates that should be considered to replace Chili for the 2008-2009 season?Gregg Williams? Mike Singletary? Jerry Glanville?

I would lobby for the guy that I wanted in the first place - Kirk Ferentz. I absolutely LOVE the job he is doing at Iowa. Passionate and fiery!I still don't think that Chili is the main problem - I reflect back to the saying "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ___!"The line is underachieving right now - Hutch was a STEAL based on the contract that he got compared to what a couple guards got this past offseason. He is not the problem. McKinnie played well last year (at least in pass protection) but is just not doing it this year. It is the skill positions (WR and QB) that they are lacking. They just need play makers at these positions. They made a run at Kevin Curtis and offered him more money than the Eagles but he went to Philly anyway, so it wasn't as though they didn't try to upgrade. I'm not saying that they are a good team by any means. I am of the opinion that when Tice left, he didn't leave much of anything so you have to start at ground zero and build from there. The defense is already top notch and hopefully next year they can fill a WR spot (or Rice will be ready to take over the #1 - which I think he should be thrust into right now anyway).

 

[FunkyPlutos]

1. Tarvaris is Chili's guy. He has my passing accuracy. Holcombe (who is also terrible) can at least make a pass. Remember, they passed on trying to get Cutler, and they passed on Quinn this year despite needing a QB. Then they stupidly let Thigpen disappear. This team WASTES draft picks on QB's like draft picks grows on trees (Bollinger and Holcombe both cost the team picks).

So you are saying they should have taken Quinn over Peterson?

 

[Vikes Fan]

1. Tarvaris is Chili's guy. He has my passing accuracy. Holcombe (who is also terrible) can at least make a pass. Remember, they passed on trying to get Cutler, and they passed on Quinn this year despite needing a QB. Then they stupidly let Thigpen disappear. This team WASTES draft picks on QB's like draft picks grows on trees (Bollinger and Holcombe both cost the team picks).

So you are saying they should have taken Quinn over Peterson?

I think what is being said is when Quinn dropped, it was very feasible for us to trade up to get him, without giving up too much.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

1. Tarvaris is Chili's guy. He has my passing accuracy. Holcombe (who is also terrible) can at least make a pass. Remember, they passed on trying to get Cutler, and they passed on Quinn this year despite needing a QB. Then they stupidly let Thigpen disappear. This team WASTES draft picks on QB's like draft picks grows on trees (Bollinger and Holcombe both cost the team picks).

So you are saying they should have taken Quinn over Peterson?

I have no problem with the Peterson pick. He looks good and I like the pick. That being said with where this team is at I may have taken Quinn myself.So, I'm not saying they should have, no. What I am saying is that they should have done something at the QB position better than what they have done. Not getting a viable back-up for Tarvaris was beyond stupid.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium. If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild. Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.I'm not sure what you'd get for Chester Taylor though.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium. If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild. Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.I'm not sure what you'd get for Chester Taylor though.

Who's going to throw to him and why would Fitzgerald want to come here?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT

The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium.

If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild.

Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.I'm not sure what you'd get for Chester Taylor though.

Who's going to throw to him and why would Fitzgerald want to come here?

Andre Woodson/Brian Brohm/Matt Ryan will throw to him.If he's acquired in trade, it doesn't matter if he wants to come here.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT

The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium.

If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild.

Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.I'm not sure what you'd get for Chester Taylor though.

Who's going to throw to him and why would Fitzgerald want to come here?

Andre Woodson/Brian Brohm/Matt Ryan will throw to him.If he's acquired in trade, it doesn't matter if he wants to come here.

I suppose but I would be pretty ticked losing Leinart as my QB for the next ten years to come to the wasteland.Remember, if Chili is still here there is NO WAY they draft a QB.

 

[Donnybrook]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium. If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild. Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.

I wouldn't. You obviously did not learn anything from the Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade. The only good thing is that Charley Walters writing is not worth the paper it is written on.

 

[mozzy84]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT

The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium.

If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild.

Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.I'm not sure what you'd get for Chester Taylor though.

Who's going to throw to him and why would Fitzgerald want to come here?

Andre Woodson/Brian Brohm/Matt Ryan will throw to him.If he's acquired in trade, it doesn't matter if he wants to come here.

I suppose but I would be pretty ticked losing Leinart as my QB for the next ten years to come to the wasteland.Remember, if Chili is still here there is NO WAY they draft a QB.

AZ is and has been the wasteland, I know its really fun to hate on your home team at the moment but come on, not to mention the kid is from here, yea he would be super pissed

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Charley Walters (Pioneer Press) is at it again:

DON'T PRINT THAT

The Vikings will be underdogs in their next six games, against the Packers (twice), Bears, Cowboys, Eagles and Chargers, and without several upsets, that could lead to a 1-8 start, TV blackouts and no public support for a new stadium.

If the Vikings take a loss to the Packers at the Metrodome on Sunday into the ensuing bye week, it will be interesting whether they try to trade either cornerback Antoine Winfield or running back Chester Taylor for draft picks in the first three rounds in order to rebuild.

Acquiring wideout Larry Fitzgerald Jr. from the Cardinals could make the Vikings relevant again.

Let's just play hypotheticals here. I would be all for trading Winfield to the Cards (who definitely need a corner) in exchange for Fitzgerald.

I wouldn't. You obviously did not learn anything from the Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade. The only good thing is that Charley Walters writing is not worth the paper it is written on.

Don't get me wrong, I love Winfield. But he's no Champ Bailey. And he is in his 9th year.Apples and oranges I think.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

AZ is and has been the wasteland, I know its really fun to hate on your home team at the moment but come on, not to mention the kid is from here, yea he would be super pissed

Look at the difference in Moss from Oakland and NE. I'd say Minnesota is about the same spot as Oakland right now. I doubt there is any player in the league that wants to come here.