2007 Rookie Draft / WIDE RECEIVER (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

I don't think people realize how good Jarrett is. I don't see him falling past 11.

I agree. There is a much smaller gap between Calvin/Jarrett than there is between Jarrett/take your pick at #3.

I believe that many people are being lazy and making Jarrett into Mike Williams. Jarrett while tall does not have the frame that Williams has. Williams can probably carry 250 easier than get to the 220 the Lions are trying to force him to stay,

I sure hope it stays that way through the spring (fantasy wise)...

In 2004 there were times when Jarrett looked better than BMW. Yes, BMW would make spectacular plays but Jarrett was rock solid most of the time.

 

[aposulli]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order19. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

For what it's worth, former Iowa LB Chad Greenway (now with the Vikes) was on local radio and said that Gonzalez was the best WR - by far - on that team. He said Ginn gets all the publicity because of his speed and big-play potential but that Gonzalez is virtually unstoppable over the middle and has unbelievable hands.

Gonzo's stats are almost the same as Ginn's very close. The thing people overlook on Gonzo is his speed, he is lighting quick and at the combine he will suprise alot of people with his 40 time. Gonzo in my mind is the better overall wr than Ginn. Teddy has a slight edge on Gonzo on speed NOT MUCH as people think and will find out if they both run the combine or OSU workout day. Gonzo runs a much better route and his upper body is alot better than Ginn....GINN has the better freakish moves(Bush)and Ginn seems better at seperation, yet alot of that comes from Gonzo works the slot and does the underneath stuff. I like both however I'm a Buckeye and partial. Ginn is a project player in my mind. Gonzo can work the slot right now in the NFL. 40% of Gonzo's passes go for first downs at OSU he has the smarts Ginn does not. I like them both in the right situation. I see Gonzo having more success early.

What about their hands?I think Ginn has excellent hands which is impressive considering his are for deep balls which require alot of concentration

 

[cstu]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order19. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

For what it's worth, former Iowa LB Chad Greenway (now with the Vikes) was on local radio and said that Gonzalez was the best WR - by far - on that team. He said Ginn gets all the publicity because of his speed and big-play potential but that Gonzalez is virtually unstoppable over the middle and has unbelievable hands.

Gonzo's stats are almost the same as Ginn's very close. The thing people overlook on Gonzo is his speed, he is lighting quick and at the combine he will suprise alot of people with his 40 time. Gonzo in my mind is the better overall wr than Ginn. Teddy has a slight edge on Gonzo on speed NOT MUCH as people think and will find out if they both run the combine or OSU workout day. Gonzo runs a much better route and his upper body is alot better than Ginn....GINN has the better freakish moves(Bush)and Ginn seems better at seperation, yet alot of that comes from Gonzo works the slot and does the underneath stuff. I like both however I'm a Buckeye and partial. Ginn is a project player in my mind. Gonzo can work the slot right now in the NFL. 40% of Gonzo's passes go for first downs at OSU he has the smarts Ginn does not. I like them both in the right situation. I see Gonzo having more success early.

2 catches for 11 yards in the National Championship with Ginn out of the game.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Trannon doesn't seem as natural as the other basketball to football guys. I think he's more Teyo Johnson than Antonio Gates.

See dat? The catch to end the half at the Intajuice thing? Teyo never could have done that (Gates probably couldn't have made that play). Teyo probably is the PAC 10s all time leader in drops. Izzo really wanted Trannon back because he brings so much toughness to the bball team. I think this kid is well worth the investment of a draft pick, and if I didn't mention him being Colston-like, I should have.

 

[Nugget]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order19. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

For what it's worth, former Iowa LB Chad Greenway (now with the Vikes) was on local radio and said that Gonzalez was the best WR - by far - on that team. He said Ginn gets all the publicity because of his speed and big-play potential but that Gonzalez is virtually unstoppable over the middle and has unbelievable hands.

Gonzo's stats are almost the same as Ginn's very close. The thing people overlook on Gonzo is his speed, he is lighting quick and at the combine he will suprise alot of people with his 40 time. Gonzo in my mind is the better overall wr than Ginn. Teddy has a slight edge on Gonzo on speed NOT MUCH as people think and will find out if they both run the combine or OSU workout day. Gonzo runs a much better route and his upper body is alot better than Ginn....GINN has the better freakish moves(Bush)and Ginn seems better at seperation, yet alot of that comes from Gonzo works the slot and does the underneath stuff. I like both however I'm a Buckeye and partial. Ginn is a project player in my mind. Gonzo can work the slot right now in the NFL. 40% of Gonzo's passes go for first downs at OSU he has the smarts Ginn does not. I like them both in the right situation. I see Gonzo having more success early.

2 catches for 11 yards in the National Championship with Ginn out of the game.

So Gonzalez accounted for 50% of the receptons for OSU in the game. I put this on the Gator defense and Troy Smith.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Trannon doesn't seem as natural as the other basketball to football guys. I think he's more Teyo Johnson than Antonio Gates.

See dat? The catch to end the half at the Intajuice thing? Teyo never could have done that (Gates probably couldn't have made that play). Teyo probably is the PAC 10s all time leader in drops. Izzo really wanted Trannon back because he brings so much toughness to the bball team. I think this kid is well worth the investment of a draft pick, and if I didn't mention him being Colston-like, I should have.

He does have the same type of build as Colston (as does Marcus Monk.. see you in 2008). Also interesting is that Mich St seemed to use him a lot on plays that set up run after catch opportunities - maybe I just didnt see him in enough situations that took advantage of his basketball frame.

 

[Chaos Commish]

James Jones should be appearing on and shooting up WR rankings. In the ffa gambling thread for the SJSU bowl game I admitted knowing nothing about that team. By the time the game was over I thought I saw a very good WR. He's definitely in my top 20, which now barely resembles my effort on page one.

 

[cstu]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order19. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

For what it's worth, former Iowa LB Chad Greenway (now with the Vikes) was on local radio and said that Gonzalez was the best WR - by far - on that team. He said Ginn gets all the publicity because of his speed and big-play potential but that Gonzalez is virtually unstoppable over the middle and has unbelievable hands.

Gonzo's stats are almost the same as Ginn's very close. The thing people overlook on Gonzo is his speed, he is lighting quick and at the combine he will suprise alot of people with his 40 time. Gonzo in my mind is the better overall wr than Ginn. Teddy has a slight edge on Gonzo on speed NOT MUCH as people think and will find out if they both run the combine or OSU workout day. Gonzo runs a much better route and his upper body is alot better than Ginn....GINN has the better freakish moves(Bush)and Ginn seems better at seperation, yet alot of that comes from Gonzo works the slot and does the underneath stuff. I like both however I'm a Buckeye and partial. Ginn is a project player in my mind. Gonzo can work the slot right now in the NFL. 40% of Gonzo's passes go for first downs at OSU he has the smarts Ginn does not. I like them both in the right situation. I see Gonzo having more success early.

2 catches for 11 yards in the National Championship with Ginn out of the game.

So Gonzalez accounted for 50% of the receptons for OSU in the game. I put this on the Gator defense and Troy Smith.

Troy Smith is not that bad and the Florida defense that good to completely shut down a guy who is supposedly so ready for the NFL and a great route runner. I'm not buying him and think he benefits a lot by being opposite Ginn.

 

[lod2005]

What about their hands?I think Ginn has excellent hands which is impressive considering his are for deep balls which require alot of concentration

Ginn does not have 'excellent hands'. Despite the big plays, Ginn is still inconsistent at receiver. His hands need to become more consistent, and he needs work running routes. He has a very thin build and lacks the strength to be a threat over the middle.

 

[aposulli]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.

Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order

1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*

2. Dwayne Jarrett, USC*

3. Sidney Rice, South Carolina*

4. Ted Ginn, OSU*

5. Robert Meachem, Tennessee*

6. Dwayne Bowe, LSU

7. Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP

8. Craig Davis, LSU

9. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

10. Aundrae Allison, East Carolina

11. Steve Smith, USC

12. Jason Hill, Washington State

13. Chansi Stuckey, Clemson

14. Paul Williams, Fresno State

15. Dallas Baker, Florida

16. Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame

17. David Clowney, Virginia Tech

18. Courtney Taylor, Auburn

19. Joel Filani, Texas Tech

20. Steve Breaston, Michigan

21. Jacoby Jones, Lane

22. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina

23. Brandon Myles, West Virginia

24. D'Juan Woods, Oklahoma State

25. Laurent Robinson, Illinois State

26. Maurice Price, Charleston Southern*

27. Ryne Robinson, Miami (OH)

28. Jarrett Hicks, Texas Tech

29. Chris Davis, FSU

30. Ryan Moore, Miami (FL)

31. Deyon Williams, Virginia

32. David Ball, UNH

33. Matt Trannon, Michigan State

34. Eric Deslauriers, Eastern Michigan

35. Yamon Figurs, Kansas State

*Underclassmen

my QB list

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Rankings updated with the news of Samardzija now playing baseball exclusively

 

[aposulli]

Taking an alternate look at the WR pool...

Stud-class

These guys are eventually going to be solid #1 WR's for any team that drafts them

-Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*

-Dwayne Jarrett, USC*

-Sidney Rice, South Carolina*

-Ted Ginn, OSU*

First-class

1st/2nd Round picks have #1 WR potential

-Robert Meachem, Tennessee*

-Dwayne Bowe, LSU

-Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP

-Craig Davis, LSU

-Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

Second-class

These guys have awesome physical talent who will need a good situation to succeed immediatly

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina

-Steve Smith, USC

-Jason Hill, Washington State

-Chansi Stuckey, Clemson

-Paul Williams, Fresno State

-Dallas Baker, Florida

-Steve Breaston, Michigan

Second-day

These guys are poised to be drafted, but not in the first 3 Rounds without an eye-popping combine

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame

-David Clowney, Virginia Tech

-Courtney Taylor, Auburn

-Joel Filani, Texas Tech

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia

-D'Juan Woods, Oklahoma State

The next Marques Colstons

Really

-Jacoby Jones, Lane

-Maurice Price, Charleston Southern*

-David Ball, UNH

Borderline draftees

Half of these guys should be drafted

-Syvelle Newton, South Carolina

-Laurent Robinson, Illinois State

-Ryne Robinson, Miami (OH)

-Jarrett Hicks, Texas Tech

-Chris Davis, FSU

-Ryan Moore, Miami (FL)

-Deyon Williams, Virginia

-Matt Trannon, Michigan State

-Eric Deslauriers, Eastern Michigan

-Yamon Figurs, Kansas State

-Aaron Fairooz, Central Arkansas

-Jesse Holley, North Carolina

-Jayson Swain, Tennessee

-Jonathan Holland, Louisiana Tech

-Mike Walker, Central Florida

-Terry Richardson, Arizona State

-Scott Mayle, Ohio

-Trent Shelton, Baylor

-Dominique Ziegler, Baylor

*Underclassmen

 

[beto]

James Jones should be appearing on and shooting up WR rankings. In the ffa gambling thread for the SJSU bowl game I admitted knowing nothing about that team. By the time the game was over I thought I saw a very good WR. He's definitely in my top 20, which now barely resembles my effort on page one.

Your current top 20 posted anywhere?

 

[Chaos Commish]

James Jones should be appearing on and shooting up WR rankings. In the ffa gambling thread for the SJSU bowl game I admitted knowing nothing about that team. By the time the game was over I thought I saw a very good WR. He's definitely in my top 20, which now barely resembles my effort on page one.

Your current top 20 posted anywhere?

No I don't. I do think Aposulli is doing a terrific job with his updates and different formats. His rankings and tiers are as good a guide as I could put up. I am trying to do the IDPs first (to get them out of the way until the Combine) and like last year, I am really hung up on DEs/OLBs. For now, I'll parse aposulli a little...Looking at his last post, it is just a great class of WRs. Like last year there is so much depth that some of us will be dumbfounded by players going undrafted. Baskett, Nance... those really shocked me. Unlike last year there is legit elite talent. There was none a year ago, and this group could be as good as any class ever. If we learned anything from last year, special teams standouts get a pretty big bump in the draft. I think that bodes well for the draft prospects of Terry Richardson, Yamon Figurs, Ryne Robinson and possibly Syvelle Newton from way down aposulli's list. Stuckey will probably jump several "better" receivers for the same reason, and it makes Higgins and Ginn even more valuable. Five who seemed to have helped themselves are James Jones and Matt Trannon from the Hula. Jacoby Jones, Breaston and Ball from the Shriner. I loved Baskett last year and thought he should have been drafted. I feel the same about Mike Walker this year. With this draft being weak everywhere but early, DE and WR, I want to research the record for WRs taken in a 7 round NFL draft. This year should have a very good chance of breaking the record. I believe I saw a really nice talent in Jacoby Jones. Never heard of him until Cecil and Bloom's reports, but he did a couple things in that game that looked like it translated.

 

[bigreese82]

Note that there's a big difference between speed and quickness. Chad Johnson and Anquan Boldin were both 4.60+ guys coming out of college, but they're both quick out of breaks. Boldin is one of the best open field runners of any WR due in part to his lateral agility. Then there's a guy like Reggie Williams, who actually runs a 4.45, but has a reputation for being slow because he doesn't quite have the quick twitch of the game's top WRs. In the speed department, it's important to trust your eyes. Mike Williams always looked slow and lumbering. Chad Johnson always looks fast. Don't worry too much about what the stopwatch says.

Good point.I sometimes wonder if looking at the shuttle times would be more effective to judge game speed.

Anyone have the shuttle times for these players that are now top-level?

 

[beto]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*

-Dwayne Jarrett, USC*

-Ted Ginn, OSU*

-Sidney Rice, South Carolina*

-Robert Meachem, Tennessee*

-Dwayne Bowe, LSU

-Jason Hill, Washington State

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina

-Steve Breaston, Michigan

-Dallas Baker, Florida

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl?

-Jacoby Jones, Lane

-Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame

-Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

-Paul Williams, Fresno State

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia

-David Ball, UNH

 

[Chaos Commish]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.-Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*-Dwayne Jarrett, USC*-Ted Ginn, OSU*-Sidney Rice, South Carolina*-Robert Meachem, Tennessee*-Dwayne Bowe, LSU-Jason Hill, Washington State-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina-Steve Breaston, Michigan-Dallas Baker, Florida-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl?-Jacoby Jones, Lane-Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame-Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*-Paul Williams, Fresno State-Brandon Myles, West Virginia-David Ball, UNH

I still don't know what was up with Steve Smith, but I'm sure it will be discussed in due time.I confess ranking WRs is too mindboggling for me right now. I feel the same about DEs and DBs in this draft. Maybe once past the Super Bowl I can give this a better effort. Some feelings I have. You list 18. Let's say 35 get drafted (30 or 31 were drafted last year). I think Rhema McKnight may go undrafted from your list and the rest should get drafted. I could see Paul Williams get shunned too, btw. Remember I had Baskett in the 1st round of my first mock, and many had Nance as a first rounder around this time a year ago. In no particular order other than very loosely ranked, here's 18 more to consider.Chansi Stuckey*Courtney TaylorCraig Davis*David ClowneyJames JonesMike WalkerMatt TrannonChris Davis*Syvelle Newton*Laurent RobinsonYamon Figurs*Ryne Robinson*Junior Taylor*Joel FilaniJarrett HicksJarrard Rabb*Legadu NaaneeJordan Kent*I think our two lists are pretty close to who will get drafted. My asterisks represent players with great or potentially great special teams value. I emphasize that for receivers after the cream of the crop is gone. You might be underestimating Anthony Gonzalez. I think Ginn has incredibly high value for the pressure he puts on defenses. I have him 3rd just like you, but there's much to consider about his teammate. As fast? Faster? Some think so. Better routes? More polished? Many think so. Ginn is rare talent and Gonzo isn't that far behind him. I'd probably slide him in behind Bowe on your list and consider them in the same tier.

 

[aposulli]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Jason Hill, Washington State The WR equivilent to RB Kenneth Darby... stock plummeted Senior Year

-Steve Breaston, Michigan Doesn't have natural WR ability IMO... more of a return specialist.. a great one at that

-Dallas Baker, Florida Stock falling after Senior Bowl

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame Ditto

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina Stock rising after Senior Bowl

-Paul Williams, Fresno State Ditto

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia Ditto

 

[PatsWillWin]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Jason Hill, Washington State The WR equivilent to RB Kenneth Darby... stock plummeted Senior Year

-Steve Breaston, Michigan Doesn't have natural WR ability IMO... more of a return specialist.. a great one at that

-Dallas Baker, Florida Stock falling after Senior Bowl

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame Ditto

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina Stock rising after Senior Bowl

-Paul Williams, Fresno State Ditto

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia Ditto

 

[aposulli]

Updated list (tiered)

Disclosure: These rankings are tiered based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order

1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*

2. Dwayne Jarrett, USC*

3. Sidney Rice, South Carolina*

4. Ted Ginn, OSU*

5. Dwayne Bowe, LSU

6. Robert Meachem, Tennessee*

7. Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP

8. Craig Davis, LSU

9. Anthony Gonzalez, OSU*

10. Aundrae Allison, East Carolina

11. Steve Smith, USC

12. Paul Williams, Fresno State

13. Chansi Stuckey, Clemson

14. Jason Hill, Washington State

15. Courtney Taylor, Auburn

16. Jacoby Jones, Lane

17. David Clowney, Virginia Tech

18. Brandon Myles, West Virginia

19. Steve Breaston, Michigan

20. Joel Filani, Texas Tech

21. Maurice Price, Charleston Southern*

22. Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame

23. Dallas Baker, Florida

24. D'Juan Woods, Oklahoma State

25. Laurent Robinson, Illinois State

26. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina

27. Ryne Robinson, Miami (OH)

28. Jarrett Hicks, Texas Tech

29. Chris Davis, FSU

30. Ryan Moore, Miami (FL)

31. Deyon Williams, Virginia

32. David Ball, UNH

33. Eric Deslauriers, Eastern Michigan

34. Matt Trannon, Michigan State

35. Mike Walker, Central Florida

36. Yamon Figurs, Kansas State

37. Aaron Fairooz, Central Arkansas

38. Jesse Holley, North Carolina

39. Jonathan Holland, Louisiana Tech

40. Junior Taylor, UCLA

*Underclassmen

 

[Chaos Commish]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Jason Hill, Washington State The WR equivilent to RB Kenneth Darby... stock plummeted Senior Year

-Steve Breaston, Michigan Doesn't have natural WR ability IMO... more of a return specialist.. a great one at that

-Dallas Baker, Florida Stock falling after Senior Bowl

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame Ditto

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina Stock rising after Senior Bowl

-Paul Williams, Fresno State Ditto

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia Ditto

Hmmm... Breaston impressed with his receiving skills all week at the Shriner. Jason Hill has several teams drooling and admitting it.

What did Dallas Baker do wrong? Mayock said he may have been the steadiest of the receivers and the surest handed. When I watched Baker, he continued to impress me, but that's just me.

Paul Williams had a pretty bad week with drops, not being able to separate and not paying attention to coaches while screwing around. I'm guessing round five or six for him.

I know it isn't your style to explain, but please change your style!

 

[Chaos Commish]

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

Do you have any more information on this? My best source says, "No injury news to report." All I could find was a speculative blurb in comments at some Trojan blog that he tweaked his ankle in the Rose Bowl, but the commenter was seeking confirmation, not reporting.

 

[aposulli]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Jason Hill, Washington State The WR equivilent to RB Kenneth Darby... stock plummeted Senior Year

-Steve Breaston, Michigan Doesn't have natural WR ability IMO... more of a return specialist.. a great one at that

-Dallas Baker, Florida Stock falling after Senior Bowl

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame Ditto

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina Stock rising after Senior Bowl

-Paul Williams, Fresno State Ditto

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia Ditto

Hmmm... Breaston impressed with his receiving skills all week at the Shriner. Jason Hill has several teams drooling and admitting it.

What did Dallas Baker do wrong? Mayock said he may have been the steadiest of the receivers and the surest handed. When I watched Baker, he continued to impress me, but that's just me.

Paul Williams had a pretty bad week with drops, not being able to separate and not paying attention to coaches while screwing around. I'm guessing round five or six for him.

I know it isn't your style to explain, but please change your style!

My eval of Breaston is based on mostly his career at UM and what I've seen of him this season.Hill as well. Still have him ranked pretty high, but he was ranked in my top 4 going into this year.

I've heard Baker had problems with separation and couldn't match up with the physical play.

I agree he's very immature and has some work to do to put away doubts about his production in college. He's definitly one of the guys I feel like I'm on an island about, but I think his talent is immense and enough to make him a good numbers guy in the NFL. Maybe his stock isn't really rising after the Senior Bowl as I supposed it did. I dont think he slips past the 4th Round.

 

[aposulli]

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

Do you have any more information on this? My best source says, "No injury news to report." All I could find was a speculative blurb in comments at some Trojan blog that he tweaked his ankle in the Rose Bowl, but the commenter was seeking confirmation, not reporting.

I thought I heard that reported by Bloom and Lammey, but I guess I wasn't listening close enough

 

[Chaos Commish]

My latest list. I'm dying for the Bloom 100 or updates from some of you guys.

I haven't watched enough college football to have confidence in this yet.

-Jason Hill, Washington State The WR equivilent to RB Kenneth Darby... stock plummeted Senior Year

-Steve Breaston, Michigan Doesn't have natural WR ability IMO... more of a return specialist.. a great one at that

-Dallas Baker, Florida Stock falling after Senior Bowl

-Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame Ditto

-Steve Smith, USC - Why wasn't he at the Senior Bowl? (injured)

-Aundrae Allison, East Carolina Stock rising after Senior Bowl

-Paul Williams, Fresno State Ditto

-Brandon Myles, West Virginia Ditto

Hmmm... Breaston impressed with his receiving skills all week at the Shriner. Jason Hill has several teams drooling and admitting it.

What did Dallas Baker do wrong? Mayock said he may have been the steadiest of the receivers and the surest handed. When I watched Baker, he continued to impress me, but that's just me.

Paul Williams had a pretty bad week with drops, not being able to separate and not paying attention to coaches while screwing around. I'm guessing round five or six for him.

I know it isn't your style to explain, but please change your style!

My eval of Breaston is based on mostly his career at UM and what I've seen of him this season.Hill as well. Still have him ranked pretty high, but he was ranked in my top 4 going into this year.

I've heard Baker had problems with separation and couldn't match up with the physical play.

I agree he's very immature and has some work to do to put away doubts about his production in college. He's definitly one of the guys I feel like I'm on an island about, but I think his talent is immense and enough to make him a good numbers guy in the NFL. Maybe his stock isn't really rising after the Senior Bowl as I supposed it did. I dont think he slips past the 4th Round.

All seems reasonable to me. I felt pretty much the same about Breaston, but I never could shake what he was supposed to be and wonder if he really wasn't anyway, he just had Manningham in the way. Make sense?

I feel like I'm on a similar island with Baker.

Bloom and Lammey may have reported Smith being hurt. I didn't listen to all the audibles.

 

[Kleck.]

Kiper's Big Board has been updated and now has 6 WR's in the top 20. Swap Ginn and Jarrett and that is my current order (with a gap between Meachem and Rice).

1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech

Hard worker and team oriented.

2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin

Imposing lineman with great quickness.

3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma

Great runner, but durability is a concern.

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

5. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU

Big and strong with a powerful arm.

6. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas

Gifted athlete and a complete player.

7. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan

A space-eater along the interior.

8. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State

Takes a backseat to no one in speed.

9. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville

Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield.

10. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson

Dominating ability with his athleticism.

11. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU

Leader on one of the nation's best defenses.

12. Reggie Nelson Jr. S Florida

Can hit like a safety and cover like a CB.

13. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC

Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

14. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St.

Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side.

15. Charles Johnson Jr. DE Georgia

Workout numbers should be eye catching.

16. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska

Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE.

17. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan

Great anticipation and awareness in coverage.

18. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU

Runs great routes and is tough in traffic.

19. Robert Meachem Jr. WR Tennessee

Could elevate with a fast time at the combine.

20. Sidney Rice Jr. WR South Carolina

Above average hands and nice burst.

21. Lawrence Timmons Jr. LB Florida State

Production and consistency are what jump out.

22. Anthony Spencer Sr. DE Purdue

Athleticism will make him an ideal OLB in the NFL.

23. Tim Crowder Sr. DE Texas

Became a bigger playmaker for Texas in 2006.

24. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California

A complete back with good size.

25. Aaron Ross Sr. CB Texas

Led Longhorns in INT and PBUs in 2006.

Dropped Off:

Tony Ugoh

Jarvis Moss

Ryan Kalil

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Kiper's Big Board has been updated and now has 6 WR's in the top 20. Swap Ginn and Jarrett and that is my current order (with a gap between Meachem and Rice).

1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech

Hard worker and team oriented.

2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin

Imposing lineman with great quickness.

3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma

Great runner, but durability is a concern.

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

5. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU

Big and strong with a powerful arm.

6. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas

Gifted athlete and a complete player.

7. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan

A space-eater along the interior.

8. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State

Takes a backseat to no one in speed.

9. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville

Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield.

10. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson

Dominating ability with his athleticism.

11. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU

Leader on one of the nation's best defenses.

12. Reggie Nelson Jr. S Florida

Can hit like a safety and cover like a CB.

13. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC

Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

14. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St.

Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side.

15. Charles Johnson Jr. DE Georgia

Workout numbers should be eye catching.

16. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska

Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE.

17. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan

Great anticipation and awareness in coverage.

18. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU

Runs great routes and is tough in traffic.

19. Robert Meachem Jr. WR Tennessee

Could elevate with a fast time at the combine.

20. Sidney Rice Jr. WR South Carolina

Above average hands and nice burst.

21. Lawrence Timmons Jr. LB Florida State

Production and consistency are what jump out.

22. Anthony Spencer Sr. DE Purdue

Athleticism will make him an ideal OLB in the NFL.

23. Tim Crowder Sr. DE Texas

Became a bigger playmaker for Texas in 2006.

24. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California

A complete back with good size.

25. Aaron Ross Sr. CB Texas

Led Longhorns in INT and PBUs in 2006.

Dropped Off:

Tony Ugoh

Jarvis Moss

Ryan Kalil

Maybe I'm nuts,but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

 

[Q-Bert]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

Interested in your reason for highlighting the word characters. Any special concerns with the guys you listed or just being colorful?

 

[aposulli]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

Interested in your reason for highlighting the word characters. Any special concerns with the guys you listed or just being colorful?

No more than the guys last year... Jarrett = Holmes... both been in a bit of trouble, but character won't affect their draft stock IMO

 

[Chaos Commish]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

Interested in your reason for highlighting the word characters. Any special concerns with the guys you listed or just being colorful?

A very high percentage of WRs are characters, imo. I don't have any specific concern for any of them, but history suggests there's probably a joker or two in the deck.

 

[The Man With No Name]

James Jones should be appearing on and shooting up WR rankings. In the ffa gambling thread for the SJSU bowl game I admitted knowing nothing about that team. By the time the game was over I thought I saw a very good WR. He's definitely in my top 20, which now barely resembles my effort on page one.

Your current top 20 posted anywhere?

With this draft being weak everywhere but early, DE and WR, I want to research the record for WRs taken in a 7 round NFL draft. This year should have a very good chance of breaking the record.

36 were drafted in 2003, led by Charles Rogers

 

[JayMan]

My DayOne picks - QBs/RBs/WRs/TEs:

Round 1 talent:

QB: J. Russell / B. Quinn

RB: A. Peterson / M. Lynch

WR: C. Johnson / D. Jarrett / T. Ginn / S. Rice / D. Bowe

TE: none

Round 2 talent:

QB: T. Smith / D. Stanton

RB: M. Bush / K. Irons / T. Hunt / B. Leonard

WR: R. Meachem / C. Davis / JL. Higgins / A. Gonzalez

TE: Z. Miller / G. Olsen

Round 3 talent:

QB: K. Kolb / T. Edwards

RB: A. Pittman / L. Booker

WR: S. Smith / J. Hill / D. Clowney / A. Allison / P. Williams

TE: S. Chandler

 

[Iceman56751]

Ted Ginn = Drew Carter

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Ted Ginn = Drew Carter

Stop insulting Carter like that.

 

[DAG]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

I watched Bowe all four years at LSU and he was always considered a good NFL prospect based on measurables, but his hands/concentration were somewhat inconsistent, even after he had laser eye surgery between his junior and senior seasons. He started football a little later than usual, so maybe his game has a lot of room to grow. And he did show some YAC skills this season (especially on a middle screen that we started milking this past season) that were surprising for a big man. But I still think he'll have some consistency issues, and I like the guys listed above as prospects a good bit better.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Maybe I'm nuts,

but I wouldn't be surprised to

see Bowe picked ahead of Jarrett.

I don't think you're nuts to not be surprised by that possibility. A couple popular draft forums are expecting it by a strong consensus. Bowe could post a surprising 40, Jarrett could run 4.6, and if 40 yard clock speed twice hand timed on one day is overemphasized anywhere it is at WR. I've watched both WRs more than enough. I think Bowe before Meachem, Rice, Ginn or Jarrett is probably a mistake. Odds are a couple of these characters won't pan out, but Bowe's upside is a bit below the others.

I watched Bowe all four years at LSU and he was always considered a good NFL prospect based on measurables, but his hands/concentration were somewhat inconsistent, even after he had laser eye surgery between his junior and senior seasons. He started football a little later than usual, so maybe his game has a lot of room to grow. And he did show some YAC skills this season (especially on a middle screen that we started milking this past season) that were surprising for a big man. But I still think he'll have some consistency issues, and I like the guys listed above as prospects a good bit better.

It will be interesting to see how Bowe performsduring the combines.

I will project him as the 2nd WR selected.

Other WRs who could help their stock tremendously

are Higgins, Allison and Meachum..... imo.

 

[aposulli]

Pre Combine update

Disclosure: These rankings are tiered based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order

1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech*

2. Dwayne Jarrett, Southern California*

3. Sidney Rice, South Carolina*

4. Dwayne Bowe, Louisiana State

5. Ted Ginn, Ohio State*

6. Robert Meachem, Tennessee*

7. Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State*

8. Johnnie Lee Higgins, Teaxs El Paso

9. Aundrae Allison, East Carolina

10. Craig Davis, Louisiana State

11. Steve Smith, Southern California

12. Paul Williams, Fresno State

13. Chansi Stuckey, Clemson

14. Jason Hill, Washington State

15. Brandon Myles, West Virginia

16. Jacoby Jones, Lane

17. Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame

18. Courtney Taylor, Auburn

19. David Clowney, Virginia Tech

20. Steve Breaston, Michigan

21. Joel Filani, Texas Tech

22. Dallas Baker, Florida

23. Maurice Price, Charleston Southern*

24. D'Juan Woods, Oklahoma State

25. Laurent Robinson, Illinois State

26. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina

27. Chris Davis, Florida State

28. James Jones, San Jose State

29. Ryan Moore, Miami (FL)

30. David Ball, New Hampshire

31. Jarrett Hicks, Texas Tech

32. Ryne Robinson, Miami (OH)

33. Matt Trannon, Michigan State

34. Eric Deslauriers, Eastern Michigan

35. Jemalle Cornelius, Florida

*Underclassmen

 

[EBF]

Calvin Johnson at the combine:

6'5" 239 pounds

That's huge. Almost TE size.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Calvin Johnson at the combine:6'5" 239 poundsThat's huge. Almost TE size.

If he runs the reported 4.32 he ran at the same weight (unofficial timing at his/Bucs track), he just might be the best prospect ive ever seen.

 

[lod2005]

He will run around 4.45. No way he runs under 4.40

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

He will run around 4.45. No way he runs under 4.40

bump. just bustin your chops.

 

[lod2005]

He will run around 4.45. No way he runs under 4.40

bump. just bustin your chops.

Just a little superstition by me there. I was hoping for it but posted he couldn't since He's on my team.i challenged him and he came thru.

 

[Iceman56751]

Calvin Johnson at the combine:6'5" 239 poundsThat's huge. Almost TE size.

If he runs the reported 4.32 he ran at the same weight (unofficial timing at his/Bucs track), he just might be the best prospect ive ever seen.

Vernon Davis hype all over again.Love Calvin - but if his QB is Simms behind that line - I am leery of him becoming a stud.

 

[prymetyme25]

Calvin Johnson at the combine:6'5" 239 poundsThat's huge. Almost TE size.

If he runs the reported 4.32 he ran at the same weight (unofficial timing at his/Bucs track), he just might be the best prospect ive ever seen.

Vernon Davis hype all over again.Love Calvin - but if his QB is Simms behind that line - I am leery of him becoming a stud.

Well he just won a 4.35 and I dont think reggie ball was all that good at all.

 

[Warhogs]

I'm stuck at work! Any updates on combine results?

 

[prymetyme25]

I'm stuck at work! Any updates on combine results?

Go to the Combine Thread we're updating there

 

[EBF]

Calvin Johnson at the combine:6'5" 239 poundsThat's huge. Almost TE size.

If he runs the reported 4.32 he ran at the same weight (unofficial timing at his/Bucs track), he just might be the best prospect ive ever seen.

Vernon Davis hype all over again.Love Calvin - but if his QB is Simms behind that line - I am leery of him becoming a stud.

1. Vernon Davis only became a top 10 prospect after his workout. Calvin Johnson was widely considered a top 2-3 prospect before his workout. There's a big difference there. 2. We have no idea who will draft him. Don't assume it will be Tampa. Any of the teams in the top 3 could snag him and any of the other franchises in the league could move up to get him.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Jarret skips 40, would have posted over 4.7?Dwayne Jarrett skipped the 40-yard dash at the combine today. Rumors are swirling that he was running the 40-yard dash in over 4.7 seconds at pre-combine workouts and that was the reason he didn't run today.If true, it would be a blow to Jarrett's stock. No one expected him to have one of the faster 40-times, but a 4.7 would be slower than any receiver at the combine. A slow 40-time would worry NFL scouts that he'll have difficulty getting separation in the NFL.He'll workout at USC's Pro Day, but the numbers he puts up there will be discounted by scouts. Pro Day workouts, especially USC's, are notorious for improving 40-yard dash times. They typically have faster tracks, and more favorable conditions then the combine.

the top pac-10 wr prospects have been a real let down in the pros as of late. i was really thinking jarrett would buck that trend but a 4.7 is pretty darn pathetic for someone who is supposed to be an elite talent.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I see an even bigger gap

after AP, CJ, and ML

more than ever before.

 

[aposulli]

I see an even bigger gapafter AP, CJ, and MLmore than ever before.

I already had Johnson at 2, but agreed- there is a big gap. Could be any of Rice, Jarrett, Ginn, Bowe, Meachem, Irons, Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Russell or Quinn depending on what situation they land in.Any of the above RBs could land in Denver as early as the 1st Round which would be a huge bump for their ADP.Not many saw it coming but Meachem's stock is rising fast and he might be Rookie #4 at the moment.