AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Which players do you think will end up being busts this upcoming season, judging by where they are going in drafts?
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2008 Busts (1 Viewer)
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Wrigley
Footballguy
Avoiding, or just not paying what they are going for?I would like to have ALL of those guys on my team.
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I don't see Sheffield coming back to be the same player after shoulder surgery at age 39
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Unless you foresee a major rash of injuries, I wouldn't sell any of the Tigers batters short. With this year's projected lineup there won't be any way to pitch around some of those guys.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
On the other end of the spectrum....does anyone think that ManRam is being undervalued?
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
I don't see Fausto Carmona being as dominant as he was last year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't see Fausto Carmona' arm surviving the season.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Considering his very down year last year and his age I think ManRam is going about where he should.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think he is being slightly over valued, but bust? Nah. He should hit more HR's than anyone else drafted after him.
sorry, I meant by avoid, I meant not drafting anywhere near where they are going. Hanley Ramirez is a nice player, but on an awful team, and do I really think he is the second or third best fantasy player in the game? No. I don't think Ordonez puts up anywhere near the numbers he did last year. Lee and Rios are also always being drafted too high.
Wrigley
Footballguy
just checking.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
First two that come to mind -
Hanley Ramirez (why don't they just get rid of that franchise?)
Carlos Pena
Hanley Ramirez (why don't they just get rid of that franchise?)
Carlos Pena
The Ref
Footballguy
Yes. One "bad" year and he is treated as trash. I dont get it.
dundeeslugger
Footballguy
Pence and F. Carmona
The Ref
Footballguy
Over the last three years Eric Byrnes might be the most under rated player in FANTASY baseball
MAC_32
Footballguy
Standard regreassion with age? The guy's going to be 36 in May.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I've been seeing Brandon Phillips going right after Utley.
I don't think he will turn into Ron Oester or Bill Doran, but last year seemed awfully fluky.
I would go with Cano or Roberts before this guy.
I don't think he will turn into Ron Oester or Bill Doran, but last year seemed awfully fluky.
I would go with Cano or Roberts before this guy.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Two years, he didn't do anything in 2005. I also think his 2007 season was much more productive than 2006. He hit for a little more power in 2006, but other than that everything else was much better in 2007.I'm just not so sure he's that under the radar this year and I think his stats drop off some.The Ref said:
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Insoxicated
alertLowell plays in Fenway.... his swing is PERFECT for playing catch with the Monster. He will likely dip but not as much as so many think. He was a monster before an injury-plagued season and he's not as old as he looks. He will continue to be a doubles machine at Fenway.
Agreed to an extent. The kid can play bigger than his size but last year was a bit much. That said, his .300+/.800+ avg/ops also include a horrendous march/april where he hit .182/.544. Even with a slight regression off his second half pace (.317/.797) he could still post very good numbers.
Are you high?
YES. One down year... he's spent the offseason getting ripped.. he's in a contract year and is eager to show last year was merely a blip on the radar. I don't think we'll see 2000 type numbers out of him but anyone that doesn't think he'll return to that .300 / 35 / 100 guy we all used to grab in the early rounds is nuts.
Cano is going to be a monster this year IMHO. .305-.310 with 25+ HRs and 100+ RBI easy.... upside of .320 / 30 / 110
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Insoxicated
I said upside... but I think he's gonna mash 25 fairly easy. Kid is stroking it this spring and had a very strong second half last year (.340 / .950 / 13 HR). Given the growth, him hitting a typical power growth period for young hitters... a spike in triples over '06..etc. Certainly not saying he's a lock for it (and I hope he doesn't hit that many as a Sox fan)... but I'd be surprised if he didn't hit 25.
Capella
Footballguy
Good homerism in here.
I sort of agree on Lowell, but I'm still not sold on Pedroria being anything above replacement-level for fantasy. Either way, he just went in rd 14 of my 14-team league, so it would be hard to classify him as a bust if that's his ADP.
As for Manny...come on Icon. He's getting older, has his rings and his money...with lazy players such as himself, once you strip what little motivation he previously had, why should we believe he's going to play hard? I have him in my one keeper league, and I'm fully expecting him to loaf through the season.
I sort of agree on Lowell, but I'm still not sold on Pedroria being anything above replacement-level for fantasy. Either way, he just went in rd 14 of my 14-team league, so it would be hard to classify him as a bust if that's his ADP.
As for Manny...come on Icon. He's getting older, has his rings and his money...with lazy players such as himself, once you strip what little motivation he previously had, why should we believe he's going to play hard? I have him in my one keeper league, and I'm fully expecting him to loaf through the season.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I can see Lowell having a similar year to last year but I just cant see 120 RBI again. Pedroia is nothing more than a good 2B backup right now. He's a poor man's Brian Roberts as he'll provide a solid avg, good run totals, but less SBs. I love Manny this year. Hes gonna be a steal.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Jimmy Rollins. Not a classic bust necessarily, but I don't see him coming close to repeating last year's numbers and justifying his mid-1st round ADP. Call it a hunch.
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Insoxicated
Never said Pedroia would be more than replacement level for fantasy... just saying he'll likely tail off a bit but IMHO not as much as some think. He's certianly not fantasy gold and I won't own him in my league as it's all sox fans ans some clown will reach for him. Agreed also on lowell's 120RBI... 110 maybe. Manny is going to lack motivation and loaf through a contract year?
He's lazy but all reports are that he's trimmed down and is looking for one more big payday. All signs point to boston not exercising their options on him so he needs to put up this year. He's in decline but last year was an anomaly... I think you can safely pencil him in for .300/30/100 this year... with upside IMHO.
But yeah.. I'm a homer so
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Insoxicated
People see him loaf in the field and assume he's lazy. Agreed that guy is known as one of the hardest working hitters in the Sox organization... but he also can flake out at times... so the assertion isn't 100% unjustified.
shadyridr
Footballguy
You said he was lazy 2 posts ago.
cheese
Footballguy
I agree overall about Phillips, but I think his SB's are going to save his value. I could see him stealing 45 this year if he wants to. 270 with 18 HRS wouldn't surprise me here though, which would make him a reach where he is going.
ceo3west
Footballguy
I want to believe this about Manny, but I just can't. I don't see any way he gets to 35 HR's and bats .300. If it happens he'll be one of the steals of the draft and I just can't see it. I think he'll be lucky to hit 25.
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Insoxicated
Based on..... one down year? When he's playing in a contract year? Are you people serious?
Lets set the overunder at 27.5 and I'll put whatever amount of cash on it you want up to $10k.
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I don't want ManRam to do well....but I can't believe people are selling one of the best hitters in the game so low. He's one year removed from 35/102/.321/.439/.619 in 449 AB's. He's playing for a contract....at the very least to let Boston know that he is still worth something and at the most to cash in big for a couple of more years with another team.Based on..... one down year? When he's playing in a contract year? Are you people serious?Lets set the overunder at 27.5 and I'll put whatever amount of cash on it you want up to $10k.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I'm seeing Manny the same way I saw Moss in the NFL....a veteran player who for some reason fantasy players are down on, will put up numbers that will destroy his ADP and win people a championship.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Manny's numbers have been in decline for the last few years and he is 36 years old. I'm not saying he's definitely going to bust, I'm saying he's not worth the risk in the 3rd/4th round. If he were falling into the 6th round or so, sure, but that's not happening. I'll take the safer guy with a slightly lower ceiling in Morneau and Atkins and take my risks later in the draft.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Unless "contract year" is code for "back on the juice," I'm not buying a significant Manny comeback.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Pence is legit.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think the problem with Manny is that you have to draft him expecting him to miss 30 games and be overjoyed if he plays more. Over the past 2 seasons, Manny prodcued at a rate that would have netted him .308 with 34 HR and 105 RBI over a full season . . . but he missed a lot of time both years.
While he could do better, I would not expect him to jump up to .320/40/140 barring almost perfect health and a lengthy hot streak. Although hitting .348 with 4 HR and 16 RBI in 14 games gives hope that when motivated he can still be productive.
While he could do better, I would not expect him to jump up to .320/40/140 barring almost perfect health and a lengthy hot streak. Although hitting .348 with 4 HR and 16 RBI in 14 games gives hope that when motivated he can still be productive.
Finless
Footballguy
Manny was never on the juice. The guy is a pure ball player. He may miss some time but he reported to camp ripped and ready. Comeback??? Where did he go? You say that as if he had a bad year. By his standards it was sub par, but bad? Not so much. A bad Manny year is better than most OF's greatest years. He has been the most consistent player since entering the league. I know he's older but he WILL produce this year.Mark it down
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I was trying to point out the silliness of using "he's in a contract year" as a substantive rationale for a resurgence. I believe that myth has been thoroughly busted.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
BUMP?
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Insoxicated
It's only been one game but no doubt we are not the only ones calling Manny for having a great comeback season.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
cc sabathia
russell martin (solid, but he will not live up to a 3rd-4th round draft status)
russell martin (solid, but he will not live up to a 3rd-4th round draft status)
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Yeah...I have to question people questioning Manny's ability to hit. The only question is whether he wants to play and his health.
