***2009 NFL Stock Watch*** (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

Pacific Life Holiday

Oklahoma State vs. Oregon San Diego

Qualcomm Stadium Dec. 30, 8 p.m. ESPN

Is this the longest bowl game EVER???

 

[EBF]

The Spiderman Dillard show begins now on the NFL Network.

I like his pure WR skills, but over have been impressed with the "other" Rice guys also. James Casey looks like a guy who can be Owen Daniels or Chris cooley. Chase Clement does not have the size (6'0" probably), but has shown a legitimate arm and put some things in tight spots. Not thinking he is the next Romo, but might have enough to stick around Billy Volekish.

Casey had a monster season and is an NFL prospect in his own right. If I'm not mistaken, he spent some time in the military or playing pro baseball, so he's a little older than most of these kids.

 

[massraider]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/foot...ts-3/index.html

Article detailing all the pro prospects in the remaining college games. nice read.

 

[gheemony]

Anybody watch OSU v. Pitt? 3-0??? How did McCoy look? Does this make it more likely that he stays or goes to the NFL?

 

[EBF]

Anybody watch OSU v. Pitt? 3-0??? How did McCoy look? Does this make it more likely that he stays or goes to the NFL?

I watched some of it. It was hard to judge him. He didn't do much, but his blocking was bad and the playcalling was terrible.

 

[Don Quixote]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

 

[BigTex]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Maclin, a Ram????????

4. JEREMY MACLIN, THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES: The kid’s gotta declare and head to the NFL, right? Mizzou’s sensational sophomore wideout, return man and blaze runner is going to make a lot of money in the pro game, and it is time for him to get paid instead of risking another major injury that could jeopardize his NFL draft status in 2010, or 2011. (Whisper: Maclin thrills the Rams’ scouts.)

Coffman, who was high on my board broke the fifth metatarsal bone in his left foot on the Tigers' final offensive play of the Alamo Bowl.

 

[-OZ-]

Dezmon Briscoe

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

 

[Don Quixote]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

So you judge a player on one play you saw? or even one quarter? I won't disagree that Johnson is not very good against the run. But he's one of, if not the best, pass rushers in this draft. He has freakish talent and a freakish body. That's why he's going to be drafted high.Are you going to downgrade Stafford because of his game against Alabama? Or Crabtree for only getting 62 yards against Oklahoma? Or Moreno because Ga Tech's defense dominated him?

 

[coolnerd]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

So you judge a player on one play you saw? or even one quarter? I won't disagree that Johnson is not very good against the run. But he's one of, if not the best, pass rushers in this draft. He has freakish talent and a freakish body. That's why he's going to be drafted high.Are you going to downgrade Stafford because of his game against Alabama? Or Crabtree for only getting 62 yards against Oklahoma? Or Moreno because Ga Tech's defense dominated him?

Johnson looked fast around the corner, but was pushed beyond the QB. He has the physical talent of a 1st rounder, but when I have watched him thoughout the year, if does not beat the guy with pure speed, he does not seem to have a mutliple moves that will help set-up his speed. Right now seem like the ultimate boom or bust prospect as he will need additional strength and technique to become a quality NFL pass rusher.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

So you judge a player on one play you saw? or even one quarter? I won't disagree that Johnson is not very good against the run. But he's one of, if not the best, pass rushers in this draft. He has freakish talent and a freakish body. That's why he's going to be drafted high.Are you going to downgrade Stafford because of his game against Alabama? Or Crabtree for only getting 62 yards against Oklahoma? Or Moreno because Ga Tech's defense dominated him?

Johnson looked fast around the corner, but was pushed beyond the QB. He has the physical talent of a 1st rounder, but when I have watched him thoughout the year, if does not beat the guy with pure speed, he does not seem to have a mutliple moves that will help set-up his speed. Right now seem like the ultimate boom or bust prospect as he will need additional strength and technique to become a quality NFL pass rusher.

He plays at 6'7'' 260 right now. His frame can easily hold 280-290 pounds. He was injured during his junior season and played in the 240's or 250. He definitely needs to put on at least 15 pounds to play DE in the NFL. If he stays at his current weight, he may be an OLB in a 3-4 scheme as he has the athleticism to drop into pass coverage. He's definitely a risk but who isn't? We could find flaws about everyone's game including the probable #1 pick (Bradford or Stafford). There isn't a DE in this draft (and maybe player) with a bigger upside, IMO, as you cannot teach his freakish size/speed and athleticism.I just took exception with the original post about him where he wasn't a good prospect because LSU pushed him around. LSU's left side of the line has two possible first rounders and their entire team just beat the pulp out of GT last night in every way possible. Not a fair judgment of a player when there are 50 other games to judge him too.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Just turned on the Iowa/S.Car game @ halftime. How has Greene looked so far? I see he has 77/2 on 15ish carries. He's a guy I like to challenge for the #1 rook RB for '09. Reminds me of Lamont Jordan before he got too big & lazy. Also easy to see some Barry Foster wearing those Steeler-looking uniforms.

 

[Chachi]

Shonn Greene is upping his stock quite a bit today, SC has a GOOD defense. 120/3 so far.

 

[Don Quixote]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

So you judge a player on one play you saw? or even one quarter? I won't disagree that Johnson is not very good against the run. But he's one of, if not the best, pass rushers in this draft. He has freakish talent and a freakish body. That's why he's going to be drafted high.Are you going to downgrade Stafford because of his game against Alabama? Or Crabtree for only getting 62 yards against Oklahoma? Or Moreno because Ga Tech's defense dominated him?

Johnson looked fast around the corner, but was pushed beyond the QB. He has the physical talent of a 1st rounder, but when I have watched him thoughout the year, if does not beat the guy with pure speed, he does not seem to have a mutliple moves that will help set-up his speed. Right now seem like the ultimate boom or bust prospect as he will need additional strength and technique to become a quality NFL pass rusher.

He plays at 6'7'' 260 right now. His frame can easily hold 280-290 pounds. He was injured during his junior season and played in the 240's or 250. He definitely needs to put on at least 15 pounds to play DE in the NFL. If he stays at his current weight, he may be an OLB in a 3-4 scheme as he has the athleticism to drop into pass coverage. He's definitely a risk but who isn't? We could find flaws about everyone's game including the probable #1 pick (Bradford or Stafford). There isn't a DE in this draft (and maybe player) with a bigger upside, IMO, as you cannot teach his freakish size/speed and athleticism.I just took exception with the original post about him where he wasn't a good prospect because LSU pushed him around. LSU's left side of the line has two possible first rounders and their entire team just beat the pulp out of GT last night in every way possible. Not a fair judgment of a player when there are 50 other games to judge him too.

It's a "stock watch" thread. I thought his stock dropped yesterday. Your argument seems to be that he can't handle an OL with NFL talent. He was going Top 10 in a lot of mocks. Maybe he still goes in that range (I'm sure he will wow some people at the combine), but he did not play like a Top 10 player last night.Next time that I comment on a player's stock dropping, I will avoid GA Tech players so as to avoid causing you personal offense.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Watching the LSU-GA Tech game... LSU's offensive line has been having its way with GA Tech's DL all game. Don't see why Michael Johnson is viewed as a top pick.

Maybe the same reason Orakpo is even though Oklahoma dominated them, or Everette Brown is when GT dominated their line, or Tyson Jackson is when little ole Troy was controlling the LOS putting 30 something points up on LSU.

I realize my prior post was general, but I was following him in the third quarter and he did nothing to impress me. He's a liability against the run; he missed several tackles. LSU ran right at him on one play, with only their TE blocking him, and that was more than enough.

So you judge a player on one play you saw? or even one quarter? I won't disagree that Johnson is not very good against the run. But he's one of, if not the best, pass rushers in this draft. He has freakish talent and a freakish body. That's why he's going to be drafted high.Are you going to downgrade Stafford because of his game against Alabama? Or Crabtree for only getting 62 yards against Oklahoma? Or Moreno because Ga Tech's defense dominated him?

Johnson looked fast around the corner, but was pushed beyond the QB. He has the physical talent of a 1st rounder, but when I have watched him thoughout the year, if does not beat the guy with pure speed, he does not seem to have a mutliple moves that will help set-up his speed. Right now seem like the ultimate boom or bust prospect as he will need additional strength and technique to become a quality NFL pass rusher.

He plays at 6'7'' 260 right now. His frame can easily hold 280-290 pounds. He was injured during his junior season and played in the 240's or 250. He definitely needs to put on at least 15 pounds to play DE in the NFL. If he stays at his current weight, he may be an OLB in a 3-4 scheme as he has the athleticism to drop into pass coverage. He's definitely a risk but who isn't? We could find flaws about everyone's game including the probable #1 pick (Bradford or Stafford). There isn't a DE in this draft (and maybe player) with a bigger upside, IMO, as you cannot teach his freakish size/speed and athleticism.I just took exception with the original post about him where he wasn't a good prospect because LSU pushed him around. LSU's left side of the line has two possible first rounders and their entire team just beat the pulp out of GT last night in every way possible. Not a fair judgment of a player when there are 50 other games to judge him too.

It's a "stock watch" thread. I thought his stock dropped yesterday. Your argument seems to be that he can't handle an OL with NFL talent. He was going Top 10 in a lot of mocks. Maybe he still goes in that range (I'm sure he will wow some people at the combine), but he did not play like a Top 10 player last night.Next time that I comment on a player's stock dropping, I will avoid GA Tech players so as to avoid causing you personal offense.

Or instead you could type what you mean the first time. You didn't say anything about his stock dropping last night and leaving it at that.Nor did I say he can't handle an OL with NFL talent. I said the guys that were dominating him (and 2 other DL that will be drafted in the first 100 picks in Richard and Walker) included two first round picks. It wasn't like he was being dominated by some random Joe. FWIW, if you watch tape of the UVA game this year, Eugene Monroe (who many think is a top 10 pick too) held him all game long because he couldn't block him.

 

[EBF]

FedEx Orange

Cincinnati vs. Virginia Tech Miami

Dolphin Stadium Jan. 1, 2009, 8:30 p.m. FOX

WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati

RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech

Gilyard might've played his way into the 2nd round this season. I won't be surprised if he declares after this game.

 

[BeTheMatch]

FedEx Orange

Cincinnati vs. Virginia Tech Miami

Dolphin Stadium Jan. 1, 2009, 8:30 p.m. FOX

WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati

RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech

Gilyard might've played his way into the 2nd round this season. I won't be surprised if he declares after this game.

Had never even heard of this guy before that game, but he kept jumping off the screen to me. Very impressed.

 

[coolnerd]

One can make an argument that Andre smith proved his worth by not playing against Utah. The dominate OL of 'Bama was swiss cheese w/o him.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

One can make an argument that Andre smith proved his worth by not playing against Utah. The dominate OL of 'Bama was swiss cheese w/o him.

I'm hoping he will soon be known as Andre Smith, left tackle of the Detroit Lions. He is a beast.

 

[Balco]

One can make an argument that Andre smith proved his worth by not playing against Utah. The dominate OL of 'Bama was swiss cheese w/o him.

I'm hoping he will soon be known as Andre Smith, left tackle of the Detroit Lions. He is a beast.

I really like Sam Bradford as a prospect. But after watching Smith, he is the # 1 player available.

 

[kremenull]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Geeeez.....I guess a 75-yd punt return TD isn't that impressive. Are u serious???Maclin has very good WR skills and is dynamic with the ball in his hands. In the NFL, this type of combo is cherished......Game-changing ability should never be undervalued, in fact I would overvalue it just to make sure I don't miss out on a Westbrook/Hester/Bush/Sproles/DeSean/Chris Johnson type of game-breaker

I'd take Maclin over Crabtree each and every day of the week.......Not the first, nor last time, you'll hear this from me

 

[-OZ-]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Geeeez.....I guess a 75-yd punt return TD isn't that impressive. Are u serious???Maclin has very good WR skills and is dynamic with the ball in his hands. In the NFL, this type of combo is cherished......Game-changing ability should never be undervalued, in fact I would overvalue it just to make sure I don't miss out on a Westbrook/Hester/Bush/Sproles/DeSean/Chris Johnson type of game-breaker

I'd take Maclin over Crabtree each and every day of the week.......Not the first, nor last time, you'll hear this from me

Did I say it wasn't impressive? IMO he didn't improve his draft stock. We already knew he's a good returner.

He has top flight potential, but it's slightly ironic that aside from Bush none of the players you listed were drafted above where Maclin was already slated. Heck, only CJ and Bush were 1st round picks.

 

[kremenull]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Geeeez.....I guess a 75-yd punt return TD isn't that impressive. Are u serious???Maclin has very good WR skills and is dynamic with the ball in his hands. In the NFL, this type of combo is cherished......Game-changing ability should never be undervalued, in fact I would overvalue it just to make sure I don't miss out on a Westbrook/Hester/Bush/Sproles/DeSean/Chris Johnson type of game-breaker

I'd take Maclin over Crabtree each and every day of the week.......Not the first, nor last time, you'll hear this from me

Did I say it wasn't impressive? IMO he didn't improve his draft stock. We already knew he's a good returner.

He has top flight potential, but it's slightly ironic that aside from Bush none of the players you listed were drafted above where Maclin was already slated. Heck, only CJ and Bush were 1st round picks.

OK....Then how about this All-World Talent List of top selections.....Randy Moss

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Bush

ADP

Deion Sanders

Vick

The original list is not about draft slot anyway....its about drafting for game-changing ability, of which can be found in about any round.

 

[-OZ-]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Geeeez.....I guess a 75-yd punt return TD isn't that impressive. Are u serious???Maclin has very good WR skills and is dynamic with the ball in his hands. In the NFL, this type of combo is cherished......Game-changing ability should never be undervalued, in fact I would overvalue it just to make sure I don't miss out on a Westbrook/Hester/Bush/Sproles/DeSean/Chris Johnson type of game-breaker

I'd take Maclin over Crabtree each and every day of the week.......Not the first, nor last time, you'll hear this from me

Did I say it wasn't impressive? IMO he didn't improve his draft stock. We already knew he's a good returner.

He has top flight potential, but it's slightly ironic that aside from Bush none of the players you listed were drafted above where Maclin was already slated. Heck, only CJ and Bush were 1st round picks.

OK....Then how about this All-World Talent List of top selections.....Randy Moss

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Bush

ADP

Deion Sanders

Vick

The original list is not about draft slot anyway....its about drafting for game-changing ability, of which can be found in about any round.

I like the guy, but he is not the same type of WR as those 3 and has little in common with Deion, AD or Vick. He's a good player, he's one of the guys I loved to watch and hated that he went to Mizzou, but he has more in common with Lavernues Coles than Randy Moss AJ or CJ. That's not an insult, Coles has been a very good player.

 

[kremenull]

Chase Daniel may have hurt his stock in the Alamo, as did Washington.

Maclin didn't seem to help his much, although the punt return was nice.

Coffman did well, not only receiving but also blocking. I don't think he's an elite prospect, but a solid 2nd round pick.

Geeeez.....I guess a 75-yd punt return TD isn't that impressive. Are u serious???Maclin has very good WR skills and is dynamic with the ball in his hands. In the NFL, this type of combo is cherished......Game-changing ability should never be undervalued, in fact I would overvalue it just to make sure I don't miss out on a Westbrook/Hester/Bush/Sproles/DeSean/Chris Johnson type of game-breaker

I'd take Maclin over Crabtree each and every day of the week.......Not the first, nor last time, you'll hear this from me

Did I say it wasn't impressive? IMO he didn't improve his draft stock. We already knew he's a good returner.

He has top flight potential, but it's slightly ironic that aside from Bush none of the players you listed were drafted above where Maclin was already slated. Heck, only CJ and Bush were 1st round picks.

OK....Then how about this All-World Talent List of top selections.....Randy Moss

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Bush

ADP

Deion Sanders

Vick

The original list is not about draft slot anyway....its about drafting for game-changing ability, of which can be found in about any round.

I like the guy, but he is not the same type of WR as those 3 and has little in common with Deion, AD or Vick. He's a good player, he's one of the guys I loved to watch and hated that he went to Mizzou, but he has more in common with Lavernues Coles than Randy Moss AJ or CJ. That's not an insult, Coles has been a very good player.

WOW! Lavernues Coles?? From what I've seen of him (Maclin), I guess I'm just a lot higher on him than you are. I will say that he is a different type of player than Moss, AJ, or Calvin, but I believe that this kid will be an elite player in the NFL, much better than Coles who doesn't even return kicks. If you're talking strictly from the WR statistical position, then the comparison may be a bit closer. I'm talking from an impact/NFL perspective, not from fantasy (WR) perspective. Many times a player of his caliber has enhanced value simply because he is always a threat to the defense, thus other aspects of a team's offense opens up due to the attn a player like this commands. And when you can return a kick to the house at anytime, that's also a big plus.I believe Maclin is a surefire Top-15 selection, might not get out of the Top 10.

 

[-OZ-]

WOW! Lavernues Coles?? From what I've seen of him (Maclin), I guess I'm just a lot higher on him than you are. I will say that he is a different type of player than Moss, AJ, or Calvin, but I believe that this kid will be an elite player in the NFL, much better than Coles who doesn't even return kicks. If you're talking strictly from the WR statistical position, then the comparison may be a bit closer. I'm talking from an impact/NFL perspective, not from fantasy (WR) perspective. Many times a player of his caliber has enhanced value simply because he is always a threat to the defense, thus other aspects of a team's offense opens up due to the attn a player like this commands. And when you can return a kick to the house at anytime, that's also a big plus.I believe Maclin is a surefire Top-15 selection, might not get out of the Top 10.

Coles had returned some kicks as a rookie and 2nd year player. But I was referring to him from a pure WR perspective.You are calling him better than Crabtree, so you're higher on him than I am, but he is my #2 WR this year. It could just be that you're underrating Coles. FWIW, Coles is the #13 active WR in receptions, #14 in yardage, and the only players who are younger with more yards are Wayne and 85 (nobody younger has more receptions). Coles has been every bit the threat for his career that Maclin can hope to be, I'm not real sure why he's gotten a bad rep.

 

[kremenull]

WOW! Lavernues Coles?? From what I've seen of him (Maclin), I guess I'm just a lot higher on him than you are. I will say that he is a different type of player than Moss, AJ, or Calvin, but I believe that this kid will be an elite player in the NFL, much better than Coles who doesn't even return kicks. If you're talking strictly from the WR statistical position, then the comparison may be a bit closer. I'm talking from an impact/NFL perspective, not from fantasy (WR) perspective. Many times a player of his caliber has enhanced value simply because he is always a threat to the defense, thus other aspects of a team's offense opens up due to the attn a player like this commands. And when you can return a kick to the house at anytime, that's also a big plus.I believe Maclin is a surefire Top-15 selection, might not get out of the Top 10.

Coles had returned some kicks as a rookie and 2nd year player. But I was referring to him from a pure WR perspective.You are calling him better than Crabtree, so you're higher on him than I am, but he is my #2 WR this year. It could just be that you're underrating Coles. FWIW, Coles is the #13 active WR in receptions, #14 in yardage, and the only players who are younger with more yards are Wayne and 85 (nobody younger has more receptions). Coles has been every bit the threat for his career that Maclin can hope to be, I'm not real sure why he's gotten a bad rep.

Thanks for the info on Coles....and yeah, I hadn't realized that his numbers were up there. But I also see that as the problem, numbers aren't always an indication of impact. I don't think DCs lose a wink of sleep all week worrying about Coles in preparation for the Jets. It's a lot easier to pile up numbers when you're not the focus of the defense's attn. Thus, and not to take anything away from what Coles has accomplished, he's just not special. I think Maclin truly is special. My Top 5 WRs1. Maclin2.(tie) DHB Crabtree4. Britt5. Nicks

 

[DawnBTVS]

Wasn't sure if it should go here but the Shrine game is this Saturday at 4 PM ET on ESPN2.

I'll mainly be watching for QB Chase Daniel (East), RB Tyrell Sutton (West), WR Jarett Dillard (West), and OL Alex Boone (East)