Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
2010 Bloom 100: 11-20 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Sigmund Bloom
- Start date
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Right there with you on Hernandez and Roberts....
Roberts just has the eye of the tiger - very confident and precise game. I see some Greg Jennings in him too.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
Great stuff Sig.
What happened to the archives? I wanted to look back on the reviews from last year and even 2 years ago, specifically, for what scouts saw in DeSean Jackson. Were those before Draftguys? I can't recall. When I see you call Mardy Gilyard a slot wide receiver, it makes me question why you have him as the 8th best wide receiver of this year's class.
What happened to the archives? I wanted to look back on the reviews from last year and even 2 years ago, specifically, for what scouts saw in DeSean Jackson. Were those before Draftguys? I can't recall. When I see you call Mardy Gilyard a slot wide receiver, it makes me question why you have him as the 8th best wide receiver of this year's class.
Last edited by a moderator:
gianmarco
Footballguy
Why?
It just isn't a deep class. Other than Roberts and Shipley, Im not enamored with any of the lesser names, hence Gilyard 8th even if he's destined for a limited role. It also reflects on the lack of skill position depth in this class (CB, OT, DT on the other hand...) The archives for DG were lost when the software running it changed, but I can tell you that 08 wasn't my best year - I had talked to some folks who said they would take DJax off their boards completely because of character and he just seemed too slight to hang as an outside receiver... so maybe the same applies to Gilyard, but Gilyard doesn't have the raw quicks or speed of Jackson.
Why do you like shipley so much? With the track record wrs from the university of texas have in the pros I'm staying away from him.Also I assume you have mccluster among the rbs
I would assume that with you doing IDP that they will really take over soon. This looks like a great year for those in IDP leagues with 2nd and 3rd round picks. Even 4th rounders in 12 team will have some nice value on the D side of the ball.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Yep.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I think you had Jackson 9th both Pre and Post Draft.
Yeah, I'm thinking of drafting a defensive player for the first time
EBF
Footballguy
I like the Roberts call. I think he's quietly going to be a solid player for someone. The only issue I have with him is upside. I think he can be productive on a good team, but I don't see him having the dominant skill set to transcend a bad supporting cast.
I think you are off target on Thomas and Shipley. Thomas looks way more athletic than you're giving him credit for. I think he moves a lot better than Meachem even if he doesn't have the same straight line speed. He will need a year of seasoning to polish his game, but he should be lethal once he hits his peak. I don't think there's a huge gap between him and Dez.
I just don't see it with Shipley. College overachiever who benefited from a friendly system and the fact that he was 3-4 years older than many of his defenders. He's neither big nor fast and I don't see place for him in an NFL starting lineup. Sure, he can be productive in a supporting role if he lands on a team with a Hall of Fame QB and two Pro Bowl pass catchers like the Austin Collie, but that's his ceiling IMO.
I think you are off target on Thomas and Shipley. Thomas looks way more athletic than you're giving him credit for. I think he moves a lot better than Meachem even if he doesn't have the same straight line speed. He will need a year of seasoning to polish his game, but he should be lethal once he hits his peak. I don't think there's a huge gap between him and Dez.
I just don't see it with Shipley. College overachiever who benefited from a friendly system and the fact that he was 3-4 years older than many of his defenders. He's neither big nor fast and I don't see place for him in an NFL starting lineup. Sure, he can be productive in a supporting role if he lands on a team with a Hall of Fame QB and two Pro Bowl pass catchers like the Austin Collie, but that's his ceiling IMO.
ummm. Golden Tate compared to Devery Henderson???
These guys games are nothing alike.
Tate runs a lot of short/intermediate routes and relies on gaining yards after contact. He has a lot of RB in him after the catch.
Devery is fast straight line type WR who falls down if there is a strong wind.
I love your work but this is a bizarre and outright ridiculous comparison.
These guys games are nothing alike.
Tate runs a lot of short/intermediate routes and relies on gaining yards after contact. He has a lot of RB in him after the catch.
Devery is fast straight line type WR who falls down if there is a strong wind.
I love your work but this is a bizarre and outright ridiculous comparison.
That's fair, what I really going for was a WR who disappoints because he doesn't play up to his tools and inconsistency - I think EBF brought up Josh Reed as a downside comparison for Tate, that works too - in my defense, Henderson was used a lot more on short and intermediate routes later in the season, but youre right that he doesnt have nearly the game after the catch that Tate has.
slot receivers are often underrated in PPR leagues.loose circuits
Footballguy
the way you talk about those WR's, I'm surprised that you don't like Tate, Dixon, or McKnight more. You must really not like their potential
kremenull
Footballguy
I think bringing in a Thomas to Meachem comparison is about spot on, as prospects entering the league. Bot pretty raw and very athletic. I do believe that Meachem was/is a lot more sudden and better RAC though........His (Meachem) RAC is one of the best in the league and will be unleashed to open a lot of eyes in 2010.....Thomas has a ways to go to catch up in this comparison (today) as well as find such an enviable situation (Saints attack)Overall rankings here are highly questionable, IMO, and with TEs too prominent over WRs to name one of my bigger criticisms........If Tate or Thomas even hit their consensus projections, of a Lavarneus and Meachem/Jake Reed-type, respectively, then they will easily be more valuable that any of the TEs, unless the TEs become Top 3-4 level at their position........unlikely I say this because you normally only have to start 1 TE in a 12+ team league, and TEs 5-14, and maybe beyond, are pretty much the same in this era..........Shipley????? Can't see him deserving of such a rank unless he absolutely becomes Welker-ish........I see more Hartline or Lance Moore, basically an upgradeable candidate from an NFL perspective. I like Decker more than him, and I doubt he is special, either, but better than Shipley.....
identikit
Footballguy
11. Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida - Hernandez is a bit of tough nut to crack because he’s somewhat in the mold of receiving only TEs from last year’s class who have disappointed so far like Jared Cook, Chase Coffman, and Travis Beckum. On the other hand, Hernandez is a better natural receiver than any of those guys. His hands are sure, his open field running and change of direction are outstanding for a TE, he can sky to get the high ball, and he’s tough, strong, and balanced when it comes time to take a hit. He could be an 80+ catch player in the right system, an afterthought in the wrong one. For now, we’ll err on the side of ranking him where he’d be if he lands somewhere like New England or New Orleans.
NFL Comparison: Chris Cooley
12. Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel - This year’s top small school WR places high in the pre-draft 100, which may a reflection on the quality of the top IDP and second-tier offensive prospects as much as its an indication of Roberts talent. He has soft hands and impeccable ball tracking and body control when making a play on the ball in the air, but he shines even more after the catch. Roberts runs with great quickness and explosion with his short stride and compact build, and he stays low to the ground instinctively like a running back. Great field vision developed as a punt returner just finishes the package of this player who should become a very strong #2 receiver.
NFL Comparison: DeSean Jackson minus elite speed
13. Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas - Shipley is obviously one of my favorite players in this draft. He’ll be drafted as a role player, but his team will soon see that they have a future starter on their hands. In a word, his game is natural. He doesn’t have elite size, quicks, or explosion, but he gets more out of what he has than most NFL receivers get out of their gifts. His decent speed is made better by moves that can freeze would-be tacklers (those moves also do that in his routes), and an instinctive ability to quickly turn upfield and convert to run after catch mode. He also plays with a ton of desire and a knack for coming through in big moments. His balance, footwork, and body control finish off a smooth style of play that should translate well.
NFL Comparison: Austin Collie if he could do something after the catch
14. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU - LaFell has fewer holes in his game than the second tier WRs above him on this list, but his ceiling is also much lower. He’s a rugged possession receiver who will be a tough customer after the catch, with surprising fluid athleticism and ability to set up DBs with advanced route running technique. LaFell sees the field well and he has dependable hands, a nice combination for a future third-down target.
NFL Comparison: Jerricho Cotchery minus some quicks and speed
15. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech - Ive already taken some flak for not having Thomas in my top 10, so I’m sure seeing names Roberts and Shipley ahead of Thomas will likely rankle his backers even more. I’ll admit that Thomas has great straight line speed for a large man, but otherwise, I’m not seeing much to hang my hat on. He can hang in the air, but he looks heavy and not at all explosive as a leaper, and Thomas doesn’t seem to snag the ball as much as he lets it land in his hands like an outfielder. He’s not that fluid or sudden, and I’m not sure that he’ll create much separation on short and intermediate routes that require those qualities. He is aggressive after the catch with a nice stiff arm, but right now Thomas looks like a one-dimensional player to me. He might be a first round pick because of the NFL’s love affair with size/speed receivers, but I won’t spend a first-round pick in rookie drafts on Thomas.
NFL Comparison: Bigger, but less agile Robert Meachem
16. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame - Tate is another guy who seems to have some of the pieces of a starting WR’s game, but he is missing enough to drop him out of the top 12 on this list. He’s fast, but not a true burner, he’s good in the air, but not big enough to win jump ball battles, he can catch tough passes, but lets easy ones get to his body. Tate is very sudden on the move and the strongest part of his game is his ability to make hay after the catch, but he doesn’t look like a natural receiver to me, and I think he’ll struggle to be consistent enough to produce on a week-in, week-out basis.
NFL Comparison: slightly less athletic Devery Henderson
17. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama - McClain may land in the draft’s top 20 overall picks, but he doesn’t have the range or playmaking ability of an elite IDP LB. He is a bit lumbering in the open field, and while he has good instincts, McClain is not a seek and destroy LB like Curtis Lofton, who teams had some similar speed concerns about when he was drafted two years ago. McClain will fit well inside in a 3-4, where his lack of pursuit speed can be masked and he can play downhill, but his upside in IDP leagues is capped enough to make him a less attractive option than the second tier WRs.
NFL Comparison: Andra Davis with top notch instincts and intangibles
18. Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona - It’s hard to project Gronkowski too high on this list because back injuries that require surgery and sink a season are scary, but Gronk will be a good one and reward the NFL team and fantasy owners that take a chance on him as long as the back is sound. He’s not an elite athlete, but he has sticky hands and a mean streak as a blocker and runner after the catch. He also runs good routes and understands how to find soft spots in a zone. Along with Gresham and Hernandez, Gronkowski has a chance to become a premier fantasy tight end.
NFL Comparison: Zach Miller
19. Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss - Five or ten years ago, McCluster would have been a lot lower on this list, but the NFL has evolved to embrace a player of his talents. McCluster will be a lethal wildcat QB, a cat-quick slot receiver, and a running back that is good for 5-10 change of pace touches in space a game. He has the best phone-booth quicks of any player in this class and McCluster just knows what to do when the ball is in his hands. He is small, but he runs with courage, and McCluster should become a fan favorite, if not fantasy favorite at the next level.
NFL Comparison: sleeker, smaller Josh Cribbs
20. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati - Gilyard is going to be an excellent slot receiver, with good speed and moves after the catch and good enough hands and toughness to work the middle of the field, but I don’t see the game in the air, physical presence against press coverage, or deep speed that Gilyard would need to be a starting WR. He’ll be an excellent pick in return yardage leagues, and he’s a dynamic enough talent to gamble on in the late 2nd of rookie drafts, but his upside is limited.
NFL Comparison: Patrick Crayton with more juice in his legs
NFL Comparison: Chris Cooley
12. Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel - This year’s top small school WR places high in the pre-draft 100, which may a reflection on the quality of the top IDP and second-tier offensive prospects as much as its an indication of Roberts talent. He has soft hands and impeccable ball tracking and body control when making a play on the ball in the air, but he shines even more after the catch. Roberts runs with great quickness and explosion with his short stride and compact build, and he stays low to the ground instinctively like a running back. Great field vision developed as a punt returner just finishes the package of this player who should become a very strong #2 receiver.
NFL Comparison: DeSean Jackson minus elite speed
13. Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas - Shipley is obviously one of my favorite players in this draft. He’ll be drafted as a role player, but his team will soon see that they have a future starter on their hands. In a word, his game is natural. He doesn’t have elite size, quicks, or explosion, but he gets more out of what he has than most NFL receivers get out of their gifts. His decent speed is made better by moves that can freeze would-be tacklers (those moves also do that in his routes), and an instinctive ability to quickly turn upfield and convert to run after catch mode. He also plays with a ton of desire and a knack for coming through in big moments. His balance, footwork, and body control finish off a smooth style of play that should translate well.
NFL Comparison: Austin Collie if he could do something after the catch
14. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU - LaFell has fewer holes in his game than the second tier WRs above him on this list, but his ceiling is also much lower. He’s a rugged possession receiver who will be a tough customer after the catch, with surprising fluid athleticism and ability to set up DBs with advanced route running technique. LaFell sees the field well and he has dependable hands, a nice combination for a future third-down target.
NFL Comparison: Jerricho Cotchery minus some quicks and speed
15. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech - Ive already taken some flak for not having Thomas in my top 10, so I’m sure seeing names Roberts and Shipley ahead of Thomas will likely rankle his backers even more. I’ll admit that Thomas has great straight line speed for a large man, but otherwise, I’m not seeing much to hang my hat on. He can hang in the air, but he looks heavy and not at all explosive as a leaper, and Thomas doesn’t seem to snag the ball as much as he lets it land in his hands like an outfielder. He’s not that fluid or sudden, and I’m not sure that he’ll create much separation on short and intermediate routes that require those qualities. He is aggressive after the catch with a nice stiff arm, but right now Thomas looks like a one-dimensional player to me. He might be a first round pick because of the NFL’s love affair with size/speed receivers, but I won’t spend a first-round pick in rookie drafts on Thomas.
NFL Comparison: Bigger, but less agile Robert Meachem
16. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame - Tate is another guy who seems to have some of the pieces of a starting WR’s game, but he is missing enough to drop him out of the top 12 on this list. He’s fast, but not a true burner, he’s good in the air, but not big enough to win jump ball battles, he can catch tough passes, but lets easy ones get to his body. Tate is very sudden on the move and the strongest part of his game is his ability to make hay after the catch, but he doesn’t look like a natural receiver to me, and I think he’ll struggle to be consistent enough to produce on a week-in, week-out basis.
NFL Comparison: slightly less athletic Devery Henderson
17. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama - McClain may land in the draft’s top 20 overall picks, but he doesn’t have the range or playmaking ability of an elite IDP LB. He is a bit lumbering in the open field, and while he has good instincts, McClain is not a seek and destroy LB like Curtis Lofton, who teams had some similar speed concerns about when he was drafted two years ago. McClain will fit well inside in a 3-4, where his lack of pursuit speed can be masked and he can play downhill, but his upside in IDP leagues is capped enough to make him a less attractive option than the second tier WRs.
NFL Comparison: Andra Davis with top notch instincts and intangibles
18. Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona - It’s hard to project Gronkowski too high on this list because back injuries that require surgery and sink a season are scary, but Gronk will be a good one and reward the NFL team and fantasy owners that take a chance on him as long as the back is sound. He’s not an elite athlete, but he has sticky hands and a mean streak as a blocker and runner after the catch. He also runs good routes and understands how to find soft spots in a zone. Along with Gresham and Hernandez, Gronkowski has a chance to become a premier fantasy tight end.
NFL Comparison: Zach Miller
19. Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss - Five or ten years ago, McCluster would have been a lot lower on this list, but the NFL has evolved to embrace a player of his talents. McCluster will be a lethal wildcat QB, a cat-quick slot receiver, and a running back that is good for 5-10 change of pace touches in space a game. He has the best phone-booth quicks of any player in this class and McCluster just knows what to do when the ball is in his hands. He is small, but he runs with courage, and McCluster should become a fan favorite, if not fantasy favorite at the next level.
NFL Comparison: sleeker, smaller Josh Cribbs
20. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati - Gilyard is going to be an excellent slot receiver, with good speed and moves after the catch and good enough hands and toughness to work the middle of the field, but I don’t see the game in the air, physical presence against press coverage, or deep speed that Gilyard would need to be a starting WR. He’ll be an excellent pick in return yardage leagues, and he’s a dynamic enough talent to gamble on in the late 2nd of rookie drafts, but his upside is limited.
NFL Comparison: Patrick Crayton with more juice in his legs
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Wondering if Bloom will have time to get to 21-100, or will be all be "Kind of Blue"?
nice one - i promise the full 100 will be released before the draftWondering if Bloom will have time to get to 21-100, or will be all be "Kind of Blue"?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Thought you'd like that. Thanks!nice one - i promise the full 100 will be released before the draftWondering if Bloom will have time to get to 21-100, or will be all be "Kind of Blue"?
I know that someone posted the list here, but why is it that I can never click on these links. I get no content on the page this takes me to. Is this a separate subscription site?
anakin
Footballguy
not a subscription site at all. Try www.draftguys.com and click on the article you want.
