derek19
Footballguy
49ers in talks with Brooks on an extension:
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/0...-extension.html
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/0...-extension.html
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**2010 San Francisco 49ers Offseason Thread** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter derek19
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Maiocco ranks the team needs as follows:
OT
Returner
(drop)
CB
OLB/DE (pass rusher)
OG
(drop)
QB
Safety
WR
RB
DT
ILB
Surprised to see DT so low. I'm also curious as to whether Bradford or Clausen would intrigue the Niners at #13 if one of those guys ends up slipping.
OT
Returner
(drop)
CB
OLB/DE (pass rusher)
OG
(drop)
QB
Safety
WR
RB
DT
ILB
Surprised to see DT so low. I'm also curious as to whether Bradford or Clausen would intrigue the Niners at #13 if one of those guys ends up slipping.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I love Maiocco's stuff - he's beating the returner drum REALLY hard right now. He's not wrong, though I'd put CB at least ahead of it. Be interesting once the rumor mill really kicks in a week or two from now.
derek19
Footballguy
I think MM believes the 49ers will give Franklin the franchise tag. So DT won't be an area of need this coming year. I agree with MM about the top three areas of need.
saintfool
Dead sexy
In a related question. .. does anyone have any idea of what they do with spikes and mckillo? I read somewhere that spikes might not be back. Would then mckillop replace him?
5Rings
Lurker
Yah, MM has said for the past 6 months that he thinks Franklin gets tagged.His mock today was interesting. BPA and then need. both upgrades and both start.
mock
13. 49ers - Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama: His smarts and passion fits the 49ers mold. He and Patrick Willis will be team's top-two tacklers for a long time.
#17. 49ers - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa: It's projected that 49ers lose the coin toss, but they still get their starting right tackle.
Spikes is under contract and will be back. From reading the beat writer stuff, I think the team sees McKillops as a good backup / special teamer.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm just not digging the McCloughan "big body" philosophy of drafting these days... Am I the only niner fan who thinks outside of VD, crabs, and gore that we have NO impressive athletes at skill positions on our team? It's painful watching michael robinson, and coffee return kicks, and brandon jones returning punts. Watching morgan run a bubble screen you'd think he was running in molasses. And is there another team in the league that used a TE as a kick returner?! It's sad that these guys were the most qualified on the team to perform these duties.
Let's get some speed on both O & D... Actually now that i think about it, barring a crabtree-esque huge drop from a top 5 consensus pick, McD is going to pick the players that will make the largest contributions IMMEDIATELY. It's sing's 2nd year, warner's retired, and if the niners don't make a move for the nfc west in 2010, heads will probably roll.
That said I'm pulling for some combo of Spiller/Thomas/Haden for the 1st 2 picks. If we don't nab those guys I'm rooting for Best/Tate/Arenas in the 2nd.
Just an aside, I'm now really curious what would've happened had we pryed Warner away last offseason... I'm just curious to see how good our talented players can be with a quality QB at the helm. Almost certain we would've taken the NFC west with a displaced warner.
Let's get some speed on both O & D... Actually now that i think about it, barring a crabtree-esque huge drop from a top 5 consensus pick, McD is going to pick the players that will make the largest contributions IMMEDIATELY. It's sing's 2nd year, warner's retired, and if the niners don't make a move for the nfc west in 2010, heads will probably roll.
That said I'm pulling for some combo of Spiller/Thomas/Haden for the 1st 2 picks. If we don't nab those guys I'm rooting for Best/Tate/Arenas in the 2nd.
Just an aside, I'm now really curious what would've happened had we pryed Warner away last offseason... I'm just curious to see how good our talented players can be with a quality QB at the helm. Almost certain we would've taken the NFC west with a displaced warner.
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derek19
Footballguy
So Patrick Willis is not impressive or a great athlete? Justin Smith sucks? Nate Clements is no Darrell Revis but has been shut down vs Ftiz, one of the best WR's in the league. Seriously dude.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Read it a little more carefully. I said 'at skill positions', meaning guys that play with the ball in their hands or play the ball on coverage. Clements is getting old. He got obscenely worked by Roddy White, and wasn't exactly showing in the preseason either. People are talking about moving him to safety which is basically another way of saying he's lost a step.
Seriously, are you of the opinion that we've just got playmakers waiting to bust out of their shells at every position?
Seriously, are you of the opinion that we've just got playmakers waiting to bust out of their shells at every position?
derek19
Footballguy
Interesting... I'd rather sign bush for return duties than draft a player. But of course at the right price.
This would be an awesome start to the draft, topped by only Haden/Buloga. Buloga is really moving up the boards, so I'm not as hopeful that he will be there at 16/17. If McClain and Haden are both gone at 13, Buloga would be my choice assuming he is still available. I just think the guy is going to be a very good player for a long time.If Best is still there in the 2nd, that would be a no brainer pick. Add some big play ability to both the offense and the return game...........
derek19
Footballguy
A lot of sources saying the niners will franchise DT Franklin this week.
I won't be upset if they do take spillar. I just think there are more important needs than a return man. Wouldn't be upset if they take the Nowin (Nolan) approach and trade their 2nd round to get in the first round for 3 first round picks. Spiller/Thomas or Mays/OLine =
I won't be upset if they do take spillar. I just think there are more important needs than a return man. Wouldn't be upset if they take the Nowin (Nolan) approach and trade their 2nd round to get in the first round for 3 first round picks. Spiller/Thomas or Mays/OLine =
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I wouldn't be crushed if they took Spiller either, but Mays in the first? A lot of scouts apparently are giving him 2nd/3rd round grades.Spiller/Thomas or Mays/OLine =
Mark Davis
Footballguy
With our 1st 3 picks I think we have to get an OT, CB, and RB/WR/KR unless the value just isn't there. I don't see any way one of the 1st rounders isn't used to draft an OT. Depending on if Haden is there that likely determines whether Spiller is a possibility. I've seen Spiller slotted all over the board as well so there aren't even any guarantees he makes it to the 49ers draft spot.
5Rings
Lurker
Haden / Williams would be ideal. Williams/Earl Thomas is ok too. 49er fans will revolt if we don't get a OT in round 1.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
With the labor uncertainty I'm not sure what direction to go in FA's. I'm hoping they settle with a workable cap in place so that the playing field stays level. It's the worst part about MLB is having franchises that simply can't win for financial reasons. Until we know how this is going to play out I think you'll see a lot of teams keeping their powder dry this year. The exception may be those franchises that feel they are just one player away, which I don't think is a criteria the 49ers fall in to right now.
derek19
Footballguy
I'd really like to see the Niners go after Reggie Bush to add some electricity to the offense if the price is right. Reggie could handle kick returns, be a slot receiver and receiver out of the backfield and a change of pace back. What the Niners really need though is a QB. This is the team of Joe Montana and Steve Young. Alex Smith just isn't going to cut it. It's obvious at this point that his upside is limited. I think the Niners are a good QB away from being a solid perennial playoff team and a great QB away from challenging for Super Bowls. Where the team can get this QB, I have no idea. I always wanted the Niners to take Aaron Rodgers instead of Smith. If they did, I think the team would certainly be in the first category with the possibility of flirting with Super Bowl contention some years.
FavreCo
Footballguy
With one of the worst OL's in the league, this better happen.http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers...-niners-o-.html
Sounds like improved play calling would help those stats as much as anything. I'm skeptical, but Singletary seems to be preaching "balance" this offseason, rather than focusing solely on a smash mouth running game like he did last year.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Totally agree. A mediocre QB takes away from the talent of all the other positions... whereas a great QB makes all skill position players around him better. It'd be a shame for the talent of Davis, Gore, and Crabtree to be wasted on mediocre QB play. I don't think Smith has the instincts to be a quality NFL starter but I'm holding out hope that he'll be a late bloomer. Many have said that Smith showed improvement last season... I don't necessarily agree, I just think he had better weapons while still showing many of same old flaws (staring down receivers, lack of pocket awareness, etc). Basically it still looks liek he's thinking too much and not "feeling" the game. Those mistakes need to happen much less frequently for me to be sold on Smith as the QB of the future for the niners.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Rumor has it SD is willing to give up Cromartie pretty cheap. I think he'd make a great kick/punt returner as well as being a starting CB. It would be interesting to see what SD might offer SF if Spiller was available at pick #17..... pick #28+Cromartie+????.
McCloughan strongly prefers tough, physical corners, and my understanding is that's not Cromartie's style. Thus, I'd be a little surprised if they were willing to trade down in the first round for him.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
Yeah I agree. The only other way I could see that happening is if the 49ers get their OT with their first pick, then SD offers their #1 and another selection or two and Cromartie is included with that. I think they are finding it tough to find takers on Cromartie.
derek19
Footballguy
I still have hope for Alex Smith. IMO, he improved a hell of a lot this season than where he was in 2006 and the 3 games he played in 2007. Him having to sit on the bench for two years because of injury helped him grow as a QB. I know there are still areas of improvement, but as long as he keeps progressing, he'll be a good QB. Not Montana or Young type of QB but one that can lead the 49ers to the playoffs and hopefully to the Superbowl.
This year is the year. If he doesn't show promise or improvement, he'll be gone. And if he is gone and they have to start all over and no way players like Willis, VD, Gore will want to resign for longer contracts. All of our hope rests in the hands of Alex Smith. If the offense picks it up and starts to show promise, players will be more willing to resign.
In reply to the post about running up the middle all of the time. When the 9ers tried to run outside, Gore would get stuffed. Gores three big runs this year came from running up the middle. Two vs seattle and one vs colts. The two or three 30yrd runs he had vs the cards on Monday Football were right up the middle as well. They couldn't block anyone when running outside the tackle. Didn't help Staley was hurt but Barry Sims did a good job filling in.
This year is the year. If he doesn't show promise or improvement, he'll be gone. And if he is gone and they have to start all over and no way players like Willis, VD, Gore will want to resign for longer contracts. All of our hope rests in the hands of Alex Smith. If the offense picks it up and starts to show promise, players will be more willing to resign.
In reply to the post about running up the middle all of the time. When the 9ers tried to run outside, Gore would get stuffed. Gores three big runs this year came from running up the middle. Two vs seattle and one vs colts. The two or three 30yrd runs he had vs the cards on Monday Football were right up the middle as well. They couldn't block anyone when running outside the tackle. Didn't help Staley was hurt but Barry Sims did a good job filling in.
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49ers appear to be close to signing Carr. I'm totally shuked by this. How is he better than Hill?
Mark Davis
Footballguy
I agree. Why bother with Carr?thecatch said:
derek19
Footballguy
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Why in the hell do the 49ers keep trying to sign guys that ain't worth a shiot. Lets see, could it be the numnuts(Yorks) that own the team ,throwing the bolts of lightning from their high horses in the skybox? Who's turn is this week to pick a player, John or Denise ? HMMM, neither one have an inkling of what they're doing, they're like having a game of throwing money out to see which one of them get the uhh....better(worst player) this week and see if they miraculously make the team better. With Delhomme available I'd rather have his old #### than Carr. That's the problem. The Niners keep throwing away ridiculous numbers on players who aren't gonna help the club in hopes that through some divine intervention that once they sign them they'll suddenly arise from the NFL dead and turn into game starting players destined to vault the Niners to the top of the NFL again?
They keep trying to sign players no other teams want and get them cheap thinking, hey what a deal we got, only to find out a year later why the hell did they spend the money on them. They'd have a better chance hitting on a player after the draft who wasn't drafted and turning into something rather than hoping an older vet who hasn't shown anything anywhere lately suddenly being magically reborn once they hit the 9ers club. TELL the Yorks to put the pipe down, or whoever it is was in the orginization with THIS bright idea to stay away from the ectasy laced caviar the Yorks import. That's why we aren't a playoff caliber team. Owners and management can't seem to stop from making stupid mistakes on players. God help this team,pah-lease!!!
They keep trying to sign players no other teams want and get them cheap thinking, hey what a deal we got, only to find out a year later why the hell did they spend the money on them. They'd have a better chance hitting on a player after the draft who wasn't drafted and turning into something rather than hoping an older vet who hasn't shown anything anywhere lately suddenly being magically reborn once they hit the 9ers club. TELL the Yorks to put the pipe down, or whoever it is was in the orginization with THIS bright idea to stay away from the ectasy laced caviar the Yorks import. That's why we aren't a playoff caliber team. Owners and management can't seem to stop from making stupid mistakes on players. God help this team,pah-lease!!!
Young 8
Footballguy
yes unfortunately York is an idiot, always been.......always willthis franchise will never win anything with these clowns, we need some kind of miracle (a.k.a Larry Ellison)
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm actually kind of happy about this carr signing... with Hill on board there was little chance that Nate Davis would ever get in the game, but now with Carr's ineptitude as an NFL QB (whose only skill is the ability to run out of bounds as fast as possible), Davis will perhaps have a chance to get some PT in 2010.
derek19
Footballguy
If i'm not mistaken, Bush and Smith played together in High School. It would be a reunion.
derek19
Footballguy
A. Choose an OLineman in the rookie draft, sign him for less moneyB. Trade first round pick for an Olineman that has NFL expericence and showing a lot of promise but have to pay more for.I'll take my chances with option B.
I don't think this is good for Nate in the short run. Given that Carr has probably been promised a legit shot at competing for the starting gig, and the fact he needs to learn the offense, Carr will probably soak up all the practice snaps. If they were bringing Hill back, they probably could have given Davis more practice time given that Hill already knew what was going on.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
What if this scenario played out in SF.
#13- Dez Bryant WR
#17- OT or traded for gaither.
With Dez, Crab, Vernon Davis, and Gore.....if any QB can't be successful with those weapons....then they have issues.
They need someone opposite Crab....and Josh Morgan didn't fulfill expectations....just a thought.
#13- Dez Bryant WR
#17- OT or traded for gaither.
With Dez, Crab, Vernon Davis, and Gore.....if any QB can't be successful with those weapons....then they have issues.
They need someone opposite Crab....and Josh Morgan didn't fulfill expectations....just a thought.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
This is what I'm thinking will happen as well. I've heard the chatter about Spiller but if Haden and a solid OT are there I couldn't go against that.
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