2011 Rookie Draft Rankings top 50 (1 Viewer)

[eakfootball]

UPDATE 4/1

1 A.J Green-WR

2 Mark Ingram-RB

3 Julio Jones-WR

4 Mikel Leshoure-RB

5 Ryan Williams-RB

6 Leonard Hankerson-WR

7 Demarco Murrey-RB

8 Titus Young-WR

9 Randall Cobb-WR

10 Jon Baldwin-WR

11 Kendall Hunter-RB

12 Cam Newton-QB

13 Torrey Smith-WR

14 Blaine Gabbert-QB

15 Dion Lewis-RB

16 Greg Little-WR

17 Taiwan Jones-RB

18 Vincent Brown-WR

19 Kyle Rudolph-TE

20 Daniel Thomas-RB

21 Johnny White-RB

22 Jerrell Jurnigan-WR

23 Tandon Doss-WR

24 Jordan Todman-RB

25 Jake Locker-QB

26 Da'Rel Scott-RB

27 Ryan Mallett-QB

28 Derrick Loche-RB

29 Shane Vereen-RB

30 Christian Ponder-QB

31 Delone Carter-RB

32 Belile Powell-RB

33 Darvin Adams-WR

34 Cecil Shorts-WR

35 Austin Pettis-WR

36 Julius Thomas-TE

37 D.J. Williams-TE

38 Darren Evans-RB

39 Noel Divine-RB

40 Virgil Green-TE

41 Kris Humphres-WR

42 Roy Helu JR-RB

43 Luke Stocker-TE

44 Mario Fannan-RB

45 Stevan Ridley-RB

46 Lance Kendricks-TE

47 Colin Kapernick-QB

48 Greg Cooper-RB

49 Armando Allen-RB

50 Dwayne Harris-WR

 

[Clarence the barber]

Ohhhhhhhh

I thought you were ranking actual rookie drafts.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

I'm guessing this is non-PPR ?

Wouldn't be surprised if Bilal Powell and Delone Carter end up ahead of many of those RB's.

 

[B Maverick]

any particulars in the league type?

My dynasty league is a start 2qb, 2rb, 4wr, 2te so that may bump up the qbs a bit. WRs are down the rankings a little as well.

 

[deadstick]

FYI, my very initial top-40 for non-PPR is the following (for the topic of discussion - mine are quite a bit different). This is my list, not expected AVG or ADP, i.e., I wouldn't be taking Christian Ponder at the 2.08 in a 12-team league, but that's because I know I can get him later.

1) RB Mark Ingram

2) WR AJ Green

3) RB Mikel LeShoure

4) WR Julio Jones

5) RB Ryan Williams

6) WR Jon Baldwin

7) RB Daniel Thomas

8) RB Dion Lewis

9) WR Torrey Smith

10) RB Jordan Todman

11) RB Shane Vereen

12) WR Leonard Hankerson

13) WR Titus Young

14) QB Blaine Gabbert

15) RB DeMarco Murray

16) WR Niles Paul

17) WR Austin Pettis

18) TE Kyle Rudolph

19) RB Taiwan Jones

20) QB Christian Ponder

21) RB Stevan Ridley

22) WR Jerrell Jernigan

23) WR Ronald Johnson

24) WR Tandon Doss

25) WR Randall Cobb

26) TE Luke Stocker

27) TE DJ Williams

28) WR Greg Little

29) QB Jake Locker

30) QB Pat Devlin

31) WR Vincent Brown

32) WR Terrance Toliver

33) WR Dwayne Harris

34) WR Cecil Shorts

35) WR Edmond Gates

36) WR Armon Binns

37) RB Da'Rel Scott

38) RB Darren Evans

39) RB Delone Carter

40) RB JacQuizz Rodgers

 

[JbizzleMan]

Can someone do a PPR list?

 

[nlgb1]

I know a lot of it depends on situation but here is my rankings1 Mark Ingram-RB2 A.J Green-WR3 Mikel Leshoure-RB4 Julio Jones-WR5 Jon Baldwin-WR6 Ryan Williams-RB7 Demarco Murrey-RB8 Titus Young-WR9 Kendall Hunter-RB10 Leonard Hankerson-WR11 Kyle Rudolph-TE12 Blaine Gabbert-QB13 Dion Lewis-RB14 JaQuizz Rodgers-RB15 Torrey Smith-WR16 Cam Newton-QB17 D.J Williams-TE18 Vincent Brown-WR19 Jordan Todman-RB20 Daniel Thomas-RB21 Jake Locker-QB22 Shane Vareen-RB23 Cecil Shorts-WR24 Jeff Mahel-WR25 Taiwan Jones-RB26 Roy Helu JR-RB27 Ryan Mallett-QB28 Derrick Loche-RB29 Jerell Jurnigan-WR30 Darvin Adams-WR31 Luke Stocker-TE32 Noel Divine-RB33 Ed Gates-WR34 Niles Paul-WR35 John Clay-RB36 Randall Cobb-WR37 Evan Royster-RB38 Darren Evans-RB39 Ron Johnson-WR40 Austin Pettis-WR

you forgot greg little

 

[nlgb1]

I know a lot of it depends on situation but here is my rankings1 Mark Ingram-RB2 A.J Green-WR3 Mikel Leshoure-RB4 Julio Jones-WR5 Jon Baldwin-WR6 Ryan Williams-RB7 Demarco Murrey-RB8 Titus Young-WR9 Kendall Hunter-RB10 Leonard Hankerson-WR11 Kyle Rudolph-TE12 Blaine Gabbert-QB13 Dion Lewis-RB14 JaQuizz Rodgers-RB15 Torrey Smith-WR16 Cam Newton-QB17 D.J Williams-TE18 Vincent Brown-WR19 Jordan Todman-RB20 Daniel Thomas-RB21 Jake Locker-QB22 Shane Vareen-RB23 Cecil Shorts-WR24 Jeff Mahel-WR25 Taiwan Jones-RB26 Roy Helu JR-RB27 Ryan Mallett-QB28 Derrick Loche-RB29 Jerell Jurnigan-WR30 Darvin Adams-WR31 Luke Stocker-TE32 Noel Divine-RB33 Ed Gates-WR34 Niles Paul-WR35 John Clay-RB36 Randall Cobb-WR37 Evan Royster-RB38 Darren Evans-RB39 Ron Johnson-WR40 Austin Pettis-WR

you forgot greg little

I didnt forget him, he would be my 41st ranked player. I just think players like Ed Gates and Niles Paul have higher ceilings, and i think Ron Johnson and Austin Pettis will be more consistant.

do yourself a favor and watch some of his tape. or if you have seen it already, watch it again... except sober this time.

 

[nlgb1]

I know a lot of it depends on situation but here is my rankings

1 Mark Ingram-RB

2 A.J Green-WR

3 Mikel Leshoure-RB

4 Julio Jones-WR

5 Jon Baldwin-WR

6 Ryan Williams-RB

7 Demarco Murrey-RB

8 Titus Young-WR

9 Kendall Hunter-RB

10 Leonard Hankerson-WR

11 Kyle Rudolph-TE

12 Blaine Gabbert-QB

13 Dion Lewis-RB

14 JaQuizz Rodgers-RB

15 Torrey Smith-WR

16 Cam Newton-QB

17 D.J Williams-TE

18 Vincent Brown-WR

19 Jordan Todman-RB

20 Daniel Thomas-RB

21 Jake Locker-QB

22 Shane Vareen-RB

23 Cecil Shorts-WR

24 Jeff Mahel-WR

25 Taiwan Jones-RB

26 Roy Helu JR-RB

27 Ryan Mallett-QB

28 Derrick Loche-RB

29 Jerell Jurnigan-WR

30 Darvin Adams-WR

31 Luke Stocker-TE

32 Noel Divine-RB

33 Ed Gates-WR

34 Niles Paul-WR

35 John Clay-RB

36 Randall Cobb-WR

37 Evan Royster-RB

38 Darren Evans-RB

39 Ron Johnson-WR

40 Austin Pettis-WR

you forgot greg little

I didnt forget him, he would be my 41st ranked player. I just think players like Ed Gates and Niles Paul have higher ceilings, and i think Ron Johnson and Austin Pettis will be more consistant.

do yourself a favor and watch some of his tape. or if you have seen it already, watch it again... except sober this time.

I went and watched it again and I am still not impressed. If these are his highlights I think he is not better than a 7th round pick.
ps. hes 3rd on my WR board and hes only been playing WR 2 years. guys an unreal talent, and is an absolute animal on the field. hes fully capable of ending up being the best WR from this draft class, yet cus he missed his senior year nobody has him on their radar.

 

[nlgb1]

on that clip I saw 3 or 4 impressive plays, and otherwise a bunch of 10 yard runs and and some catches on simple go routes. He is not a developed route runner, is projected to run a 4.55, and has average hands. He is your 3rd WR? so I'm assuming that means you like him more than Baldwin and Titus Young. I bet both of those guys will be starting recivers and Little will catch no more than 20 career passes.

ok well first off, he has only been a full time WR for one season. 2nd, a 4.55 with that physique and agility is FINE by me, though i think he will likely run faster. 3rd, please provide reasoning for your comment that he has average hands. i would argue that he catches the ball with his HANDS far more than most of these hyped guys, and if he can do that after only 1 season as a WR, im more than satisfied. 4th, i dont know if ive ever seen a guy play as hard play in and play out than this guy. you dont get that out of a WR very often, especially the physicality.5th, has GREAT yac ability, so your claim of lack of speed holds no water even if he runs as fast as you sayso you argue1)he doesnt have many impressive plays ---->only one season as WR2)average hands--------------------------------->strange statement that is completely unsubstantiated, and inaccurate3)PROJECTED to run 4.55----------------------->another unsubstantiated statement, wouldnt mind since he is 6'3" 220 (dez ran 4.52)so yes, i like him far more than titus young, and Baldwin might be the most overrated prospect in this whole draft along with ingram

 

[Boom Switch]

I didnt expect Ingram at the top, thought people were down on that guy here?

 

[moderated]

I didnt expect Ingram at the top, thought people were down on that guy here?

after the combine the believers will see the light. at the moment there are still many who believe in him.

 

[eakfootball]

on that clip I saw 3 or 4 impressive plays, and otherwise a bunch of 10 yard runs and and some catches on simple go routes. He is not a developed route runner, is projected to run a 4.55, and has average hands. He is your 3rd WR? so I'm assuming that means you like him more than Baldwin and Titus Young. I bet both of those guys will be starting recivers and Little will catch no more than 20 career passes.

ok well first off, he has only been a full time WR for one season. 2nd, a 4.55 with that physique and agility is FINE by me, though i think he will likely run faster. 3rd, please provide reasoning for your comment that he has average hands. i would argue that he catches the ball with his HANDS far more than most of these hyped guys, and if he can do that after only 1 season as a WR, im more than satisfied. 4th, i dont know if ive ever seen a guy play as hard play in and play out than this guy. you dont get that out of a WR very often, especially the physicality.5th, has GREAT yac ability, so your claim of lack of speed holds no water even if he runs as fast as you sayso you argue1)he doesnt have many impressive plays ---->only one season as WR2)average hands--------------------------------->strange statement that is completely unsubstantiated, and inaccurate3)PROJECTED to run 4.55----------------------->another unsubstantiated statement, wouldnt mind since he is 6'3" 220 (dez ran 4.52)so yes, i like him far more than titus young, and Baldwin might be the most overrated prospect in this whole draft along with ingram

He has played like a late round pick on the field. I didn't say he has bad hands I have just seen him drop a few passes in the games I've watched. The 4.55 isn't bad but again just average. While the size is nice, the route running cancels out the size in my opinion, not that he can't run good routes I just havn't seen it yet. With those things I just see an average football player who will be no better than a 4th or 5th WR.I don't see how Baldwin can be seen as a worse player. He has made 10 times the amount of plays in college as Little, yes he has played more games but he was just very impressive while Little was average. He has better size which is Little's biggest plus in my opinion. Baldwin has more experience and is more pro ready. He has the same or a little bit better hands than Little. He runs better routes, and is faster even if it is not by much. Those are all the things you look for in a reciver and Baldwin is equal to, and in most casses far better than Little in every single catagory. I would like to hear your reasons for Baldwin being overrated. I don't think he will be a superstar, but I think he is being rated where he should as a late first early second rounder.

 

[nlgb1]

on that clip I saw 3 or 4 impressive plays, and otherwise a bunch of 10 yard runs and and some catches on simple go routes. He is not a developed route runner, is projected to run a 4.55, and has average hands. He is your 3rd WR? so I'm assuming that means you like him more than Baldwin and Titus Young. I bet both of those guys will be starting recivers and Little will catch no more than 20 career passes.

ok well first off, he has only been a full time WR for one season. 2nd, a 4.55 with that physique and agility is FINE by me, though i think he will likely run faster. 3rd, please provide reasoning for your comment that he has average hands. i would argue that he catches the ball with his HANDS far more than most of these hyped guys, and if he can do that after only 1 season as a WR, im more than satisfied. 4th, i dont know if ive ever seen a guy play as hard play in and play out than this guy. you dont get that out of a WR very often, especially the physicality.5th, has GREAT yac ability, so your claim of lack of speed holds no water even if he runs as fast as you sayso you argue1)he doesnt have many impressive plays ---->only one season as WR2)average hands--------------------------------->strange statement that is completely unsubstantiated, and inaccurate3)PROJECTED to run 4.55----------------------->another unsubstantiated statement, wouldnt mind since he is 6'3" 220 (dez ran 4.52)so yes, i like him far more than titus young, and Baldwin might be the most overrated prospect in this whole draft along with ingram

He has played like a late round pick on the field. I didn't say he has bad hands I have just seen him drop a few passes in the games I've watched. The 4.55 isn't bad but again just average. While the size is nice, the route running cancels out the size in my opinion, not that he can't run good routes I just havn't seen it yet. With those things I just see an average football player who will be no better than a 4th or 5th WR.I don't see how Baldwin can be seen as a worse player. He has made 10 times the amount of plays in college as Little, yes he has played more games but he was just very impressive while Little was average. He has better size which is Little's biggest plus in my opinion. Baldwin has more experience and is more pro ready. He has the same or a little bit better hands than Little. He runs better routes, and is faster even if it is not by much. Those are all the things you look for in a reciver and Baldwin is equal to, and in most casses far better than Little in every single catagory. I would like to hear your reasons for Baldwin being overrated. I don't think he will be a superstar, but I think he is being rated where he should as a late first early second rounder.

baldwin has absolutely ZERO yac ability and ZERO ability to gain separation. he has made the spectacular catch here and there and thats about it. he is dwayne jarrett

 

[eakfootball]

on that clip I saw 3 or 4 impressive plays, and otherwise a bunch of 10 yard runs and and some catches on simple go routes. He is not a developed route runner, is projected to run a 4.55, and has average hands. He is your 3rd WR? so I'm assuming that means you like him more than Baldwin and Titus Young. I bet both of those guys will be starting recivers and Little will catch no more than 20 career passes.

ok well first off, he has only been a full time WR for one season. 2nd, a 4.55 with that physique and agility is FINE by me, though i think he will likely run faster. 3rd, please provide reasoning for your comment that he has average hands. i would argue that he catches the ball with his HANDS far more than most of these hyped guys, and if he can do that after only 1 season as a WR, im more than satisfied. 4th, i dont know if ive ever seen a guy play as hard play in and play out than this guy. you dont get that out of a WR very often, especially the physicality.5th, has GREAT yac ability, so your claim of lack of speed holds no water even if he runs as fast as you sayso you argue

1)he doesnt have many impressive plays ---->only one season as WR

2)average hands--------------------------------->strange statement that is completely unsubstantiated, and inaccurate

3)PROJECTED to run 4.55----------------------->another unsubstantiated statement, wouldnt mind since he is 6'3" 220 (dez ran 4.52)

so yes, i like him far more than titus young, and Baldwin might be the most overrated prospect in this whole draft along with ingram

He has played like a late round pick on the field. I didn't say he has bad hands I have just seen him drop a few passes in the games I've watched. The 4.55 isn't bad but again just average. While the size is nice, the route running cancels out the size in my opinion, not that he can't run good routes I just havn't seen it yet. With those things I just see an average football player who will be no better than a 4th or 5th WR.I don't see how Baldwin can be seen as a worse player. He has made 10 times the amount of plays in college as Little, yes he has played more games but he was just very impressive while Little was average. He has better size which is Little's biggest plus in my opinion. Baldwin has more experience and is more pro ready. He has the same or a little bit better hands than Little. He runs better routes, and is faster even if it is not by much. Those are all the things you look for in a reciver and Baldwin is equal to, and in most casses far better than Little in every single catagory. I would like to hear your reasons for Baldwin being overrated. I don't think he will be a superstar, but I think he is being rated where he should as a late first early second rounder.

baldwin has absolutely ZERO yac ability and ZERO ability to gain separation. he has made the spectacular catch here and there and thats about it. he is dwayne jarrett

Yes I agree he does not have great ability to gain YAC, look at this video and tell me its not impressive.

 

[Crippler]

A little mock for my start 11 O players with 1 QB, 1 Rb, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK with flex and max 2 QB, 4 RB, 6 WR, 4 TE, 2 PK. All TD's 6 with 1 per 50 and .5 per 10 except TE that is 1 per 10. .5 PPR for all players. Now this also goes on team need for owners. PK score well. 16 team league

1. AG Green

2. Mark Ingram

3. Julio JOnes

4. Mikel Leshoure

5. Ryan Williams

6. Daniel Thomas

7. Blaine Gabbert

8. Cam Newton

9. Johnny Baldwin

10. Colin Kaepersnick

11. Jake Locker

12. Demarco Murray

13. Kyle Rudolph

14. Kendall Hunter

15. Titus Young

16. Alex Henery

17. Torrey Smith

18. Dion Lewis

19. Luke Stocker

20. Kai Forbath

21. Ryan Mallett

22. Leonard Hankerson

23. Delone Carter

24. Jordan Todman

25. Lance Kendricks

26. Pat Devlin

27. Jerret Jerrigan

28. Christian Ponder

29. Vincent Brown

30. Shane Vereen

31. DJ Williams

32. Greg Little

I do like the look of this draft and I can see alot changing between now and the draft. This is also IDP and I see Von Miller going about pick 20 in the end but not for this structure

 

[Poppa]

 

[smashingsilver]

Both me and deadstick have Little as the 14th WR, that is where he belongs and like every WR he does have potential to be a good NFL player. But its pretty clear he is not a top 10 WR and should be nowhere near the top 3.

I don't have a horse in this race, but based on the evidence presented in this topic so far, it does not appear that either Baldwin or Little are special WRs. Based solely on the videos posted here, Baldwin's key attribute appears to be his height, and his ability to go up high and catch the jump ball, while Little possesses good after the catch moves and appears hard to bring down. Neither appear to have more than average foot speed, and both have non-football concerns which may affect their draft stock. I would expect Baldwin to go first in the draft solely because of his size and experience, but I don't see that either is worth making a fuss over. Again, I'm trying to restrict my comments to the details presented in this topic. It will be interesting to read what some of the FBG guys think of these players, but so far, I'm not impressed.

 

[Concept Coop]

baldwin has absolutely ZERO yac ability and ZERO ability to gain separation. he has made the spectacular catch here and there and thats about it. he is dwayne jarrett

You should watch his 09 highlights. He is a phyisical specimen that did create separation. I don't like that he doesn't seem to be the strongest guy mentally, but he has talent and potential.

 

[thriftyrocker]

baldwin has absolutely ZERO yac ability and ZERO ability to gain separation. he has made the spectacular catch here and there and thats about it. he is dwayne jarrett

You should watch his 09 highlights. He is a phyisical specimen that did create separation. I don't like that he doesn't seem to be the strongest guy mentally, but he has talent and potential.

I don't see it in this one:
I'd like him much more as a TE prospect. He'd be Jared Cook if he could put on 20 lbs and still keep his speed.

 

[ClownDogs]

What is wrong with Baldwin being "only" tall and great at going up and catching the ball and not fast? I mean, Fitz isn't a blazer, he's tall and great at going up and catching the ball?

(by no means am i saying baldwin is anywhere near fitz, didn't see a ton of him to be the judge of that , but just jumped out that he is criticized for things that make a wr like fitz great)

 

[Concept Coop]

baldwin has absolutely ZERO yac ability and ZERO ability to gain separation. he has made the spectacular catch here and there and thats about it. he is dwayne jarrett

You should watch his 09 highlights. He is a phyisical specimen that did create separation. I don't like that he doesn't seem to be the strongest guy mentally, but he has talent and potential.

I don't see it in this one:

I can't comment on this video, as I can't watch it (work). But the guy posted a 19.5 YPC average, on 57 balls. You have to be open to do that. Not to mention, with his frame and athletic ability, he doesn't need the seperation that less gifted players do.He is a 2nd round prospect for a reason. I am not trying to make him out as great, or anything more than he is. But 6'5''/225lb/4.5/35" vert is something to open eyes. He is not a tight end and if he doesn't end up contributing to a team, it will have nothing to do with his physical ability, including the creation of space.

 

[T with T]

I know a lot of it depends on situation but here is my rankings1 Mark Ingram-RB2 A.J Green-WR3 Mikel Leshoure-RB4 Julio Jones-WR5 Jon Baldwin-WR6 Ryan Williams-RB7 Demarco Murrey-RB8 Titus Young-WR9 Kendall Hunter-RB10 Leonard Hankerson-WR11 Kyle Rudolph-TE12 Blaine Gabbert-QB13 Dion Lewis-RB14 JaQuizz Rodgers-RB15 Torrey Smith-WR16 Cam Newton-QB17 D.J Williams-TE18 Vincent Brown-WR19 Jordan Todman-RB20 Daniel Thomas-RB21 Jake Locker-QB22 Shane Vareen-RB23 Cecil Shorts-WR24 Jeff Mahel-WR25 Taiwan Jones-RB26 Roy Helu JR-RB27 Ryan Mallett-QB28 Derrick Loche-RB29 Jerell Jurnigan-WR30 Darvin Adams-WR31 Luke Stocker-TE32 Noel Divine-RB33 Ed Gates-WR34 Niles Paul-WR35 John Clay-RB36 Randall Cobb-WR37 Evan Royster-RB38 Darren Evans-RB39 Ron Johnson-WR40 Austin Pettis-WR

DION LEWIS 13th?????? he may be the best running back in the draft... he rushed for 1800 plus as a frehsmen at pitt the kid is amazing. I also like Devine better then vereen even though devine is small.... If Blackmon declares he makes his way in the top 5

 

[thriftyrocker]

I can't comment on this video, as I can't watch it (work). But the guy posted a 19.5 YPC average, on 57 balls. You have to be open to do that. Not to mention, with his frame and athletic ability, he doesn't need the seperation that less gifted players do.He is a 2nd round prospect for a reason. I am not trying to make him out as great, or anything more than he is. But 6'5''/225lb/4.5/35" vert is something to open eyes. He is not a tight end and if he doesn't end up contributing to a team, it will have nothing to do with his physical ability, including the creation of space.

FWIW I think you could say a lot of the same things about VJax. VJax doesn't get a lot of separation on NFL CBs. He doesn't get YAC. But he was very productive (after a pretty long adjustment period). VJax is slightly faster, a little less stiff and ended up in an ideal situation, but I think Baldwin has that type of upside if he's similarly fortunate.

 

[Faust]

Mike Mayock - top five per position

Mayock has Greg Little in his top 5 WRs (tied for 5th), so he likes the potential that Little offers. He is also higher on Daniel Thomas, as Thomas is RB #2 for him right now.

Quarterback:

First-round potential

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

Jake Locker, Washington

Cam Newton, Auburn

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

Next level

Andy Dalton, TCU

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

Pat Devlin, Delaware

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama

2. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

*3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois

*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

*T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

T-5. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia

*2. Julio Jones, Alabama

*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh

4. Titus Young, Boise State

T-5. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina

*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky

Tight end:

*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

5. Charles Clay, Tulsa

 

[Concept Coop]

DION LEWIS 13th?????? he may be the best running back in the draft... he rushed for 1800 plus as a frehsmen at pitt the kid is amazing. I also like Devine better then vereen even though devine is small.... If Blackmon declares he makes his way in the top 5

He is not the best back in the draft. Not even close. 13th is rather high, actually. Most draft sites and experts have him about the 13th best running back. I have read 3rd round is a best case scenario, and he could go as low as 6th-UFA. Blackmon can't declare, it is too late.

 

[Concept Coop]

FWIW I think you could say a lot of the same things about VJax. VJax doesn't get a lot of separation on NFL CBs. He doesn't get YAC. But he was very productive (after a pretty long adjustment period). VJax is slightly faster, a little less stiff and ended up in an ideal situation, but I think Baldwin has that type of upside if he's similarly fortunate.

That is a comparision that I had not thought about. It does make sense though. I hope he would be more NFL-ready, coming from a bigger school.

 

[Faust]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/1...-top-32-plus-10

By Rob Rang

The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

Feb. 8, 2011

Key Offensive Players:

6. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia*

Has to prove speed to move into my top five, but has a similar combination of hands and body control to project as a Larry Fitzgerald or Sidney Rice type of receiver. Could dominate with solid QB play.

10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama*

Rare size, strength and physicality for position will make him an early standout. There is some Anquan Boldin-like toughness here.

12. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama*

Tough to assign this lofty grade for a back in a draft as backloaded at the position as this one, but Ingram's rare combination of vision, balance, burst and low center of gravity remind me of only one back -- Emmitt Smith.

13. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri*

With size, arm strength, good accuracy and a quick release, he has all of the tools, but wasn't consistent enough to land a top-10 grade.

18. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn*

The wild card of the first round: If he impresses with his footwork, accuracy and interviews, he could move up 10 spots. If he fails in those areas, he could slide 10 or more spots.

31. TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame*

Not an explosive player, but has size, soft hands and is clearly the elite option at the position, which should push him into the first round.

32. WR Torrey Smith, Maryland*

Currently leads Kentucky's Randall Cobb in the tight race to be third WR due to greater height and straight-line speed.

Next 10

RB Mikel LeShoure, Illinois*

WR Randall Cobb, Kentucky*

DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (injury)

DT Stephen Paea, Oregon State (injury)

QB Jake Locker, Washington

C/OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State

CB Aaron Wiliams, Texas*

QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas*

WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

FS Rahim Moore, UCLA*

 

[loose circuits]

If Cobb is available at the end of the 3rd round in one my 12 team PPR leagues, I'd be ecstatic to get him there. Guy is a playmaker

 

[Carolina Hustler]

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

DION LEWIS 13th?????? he may be the best running back in the draft... he rushed for 1800 plus as a frehsmen at pitt the kid is amazing. I also like Devine better then vereen even though devine is small.... If Blackmon declares he makes his way in the top 5

I agree with you about Lewis. As far as Blackmon, the deadline for declaring for the draft has come and gone. Blackmon can't declare for the draft I don't believe, unless he has another out somehow.

 

[WVU Alum]

Pretty sure if he came out now he'd be in the supplemental draft.

 

[Kimbo Slice]

Mike Mayock - top five per position

Mayock has Greg Little in his top 5 WRs (tied for 5th), so he likes the potential that Little offers. He is also higher on Daniel Thomas, as Thomas is RB #2 for him right now.

Quarterback:

First-round potential

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

Jake Locker, Washington

Cam Newton, Auburn

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

Next level

Andy Dalton, TCU

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

Pat Devlin, Delaware

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama

2. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

*3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois

*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

*T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

T-5. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia

*2. Julio Jones, Alabama

*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh

4. Titus Young, Boise State

T-5. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina

*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky

Tight end:

1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

5. Charles Clay, Tulsa

Mayock updated his rankings today....some movement took place.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd...ve-per-position

Quarterback:

1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

2. Jake Locker, Washington

3. Cam Newton, Auburn

4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

5. Andy Dalton, TCU

Running back:

1. Mark Ingram, Alabama

2. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois

3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Wide receiver:

1. A.J. Green, Georgia

2. Julio Jones, Alabama

3. Titus Young, Boise State

4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh

5. Torrey Smith

Tight end:

1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

5. Virgil Green, Nevada

 

[loose circuits]

Mayock updated his rankings today....some movement took place.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd...ve-per-position

Quarterback:

1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

2. Jake Locker, Washington

3. Cam Newton, Auburn

4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

5. Andy Dalton, TCU

I'm amazed that Locker is that high with Kaepernick (sp?) not even listed

 

[HAM]

I've been reading a lot of mocks that have Julio jones going to st Louis. If that happens, would pairing him up with Bradford be enough to jump Aj green? They'd be pretty fun to watch

 

[Concept Coop]

I've been reading a lot of mocks that have Julio jones going to st Louis. If that happens, would pairing him up with Bradford be enough to jump Aj green? They'd be pretty fun to watch

I personally don't think so - not if Green goes top 4. Although I am a big Jones fan. I think he could jump Ingram in PPR formats.

 

[Spike]

I've been reading a lot of mocks that have Julio jones going to st Louis. If that happens, would pairing him up with Bradford be enough to jump Aj green? They'd be pretty fun to watch

I personally don't think so - not if Green goes top 4. Although I am a big Jones fan. I think he could jump Ingram in PPR formats.

I don't know. Green with Clausen doesn't inspire tremendous confidence.

 

[Concept Coop]

I've been reading a lot of mocks that have Julio jones going to st Louis. If that happens, would pairing him up with Bradford be enough to jump Aj green? They'd be pretty fun to watch

I personally don't think so - not if Green goes top 4. Although I am a big Jones fan. I think he could jump Ingram in PPR formats.

I don't know. Green with Clausen doesn't inspire tremendous confidence.

I think those that took Calvin despite his QB situation have been rewarded. I think it would be shortsighted to pass on Green, if you think he is the best prospect, becuase of the QB situation.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I've been reading a lot of mocks that have Julio jones going to st Louis. If that happens, would pairing him up with Bradford be enough to jump Aj green? They'd be pretty fun to watch

I personally don't think so - not if Green goes top 4. Although I am a big Jones fan. I think he could jump Ingram in PPR formats.

I don't know. Green with Clausen doesn't inspire tremendous confidence.

I think those that took Calvin despite his QB situation have been rewarded. I think it would be shortsighted to pass on Green, if you think he is the best prospect, becuase of the QB situation.

I highly doubt Clausen starts, at least at the beginning of the year. He probably only gets a short 2nd chance before the team moves on, barring lots of injuries.I think a worse situation is Cleveland. If McCoy starts there long term, I don't think his skills match well with Green's skills. I doubt he drops to Cleveland at 6, but it could happen. I'd like Julio in CLE more, but I think CLE would have to trade down in that scenario.

 

[loose circuits]

Green to Carolina doesn't make a lot of sense. Gettis looked good last season and they invested in Edwards and LaFell. I imagine Rivera is going to try to build that defense

 

[eakfootball]

Mike Mayock - top five per position

Mayock has Greg Little in his top 5 WRs (tied for 5th), so he likes the potential that Little offers. He is also higher on Daniel Thomas, as Thomas is RB #2 for him right now.

Quarterback:

First-round potential

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

Jake Locker, Washington

Cam Newton, Auburn

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

Next level

Andy Dalton, TCU

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

Pat Devlin, Delaware

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama

2. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

*3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois

*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

*T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

T-5. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia

*2. Julio Jones, Alabama

*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh

4. Titus Young, Boise State

T-5. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina

*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky

Tight end:

*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

5. Charles Clay, Tulsa

I tend to go against what Mike Mayock says.

 

[anakin]

Fans

http://susanshan.com/2011/02/13/breakdown-...2011-nfl-draft/

Breakdown of Top 24 Rookies in 2011 NFL Draft

Posted by Susan Shan on February 13th, 2011 | In category: Featured, NCAA FB, NFL

Guest Post by Andrew Miley, Edited by Susan Shan

We’ve now entered the offseason of fantasy football. The Super Bowl extravaganza is over, the college all-star games have been completed, and the NFL combine is a few weeks away. Speculation on future rookies begins. Where will this rookie be drafted? How high should I rank this rookie over that one? Should I trade a rookie pick away in a dynasty league or should I try to move up or down in the rookie draft?

Here is a breakdown of my top 24 rookies and the team/round that each will be selected:

1) WR A.J. Green, Georgia – Green is tall, lanky, and tracks the ball well in the air. To sum him up, he is a game-changer. Think Randy Moss without the diva complex. (Carolina/Cincinnati, 1st Round)

2) RB Mark Ingram, Alabama – Ingram does everything well, but nothing outstanding. He was outplayed by his younger counterpart, Trent Richardson, partly because of injury. Ingram essentially reminds me of Curtis Martin. (Miami/New England, 1st Round)

3) WR Julio Jones, Alabama – When he is on, Jones is a beast; he’s strong and hard to cover. However, he also has a tendency to get lost on plays and to take plays off. (Arizona/Washington/St. Louis, 1st Round)

4) RB Mikel Leshoure, Illinois – Leshoure runs with power and can slash through the line. He could be Rashard Mendenhall with a bit more wiggle. (New England/New Orleans, late 1st Round)

5) WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh – Baldwin is very athletic with long strides. His inconsistent hands, though, are more a product of his concentration than ability. Regardless, he would greatly upgrade any team’s receiving core. (St. Louis/Jacksonville/Kansas City, 1st Round)

6) RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State – Hunter is quick, works well in space, is very agile, can make people miss, and can already pass block. Although he may begin his career as a third-down back, he has the talent to become a starting NFL back in his first year. (Denver/Washington, 2nd Round)

7) RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech – Williams was plagued with injuries in his senior season. The question remains on whether he can return to his early college form. Williams is very quick with breakaway speed. (NY Giants/NY Jets, 2nd/3rd Round)

8 ) RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State – Thomas is a smooth runner who seems to glide through the line – impressive for a bigger back at 6’2”, 228 lbs. However, the knock on Thomas is that he is too much finesse and not enough power. (Baltimore/NY Giants, 3rd/4th Round)

9) WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami, FL – Hankerson is very quick but not speedy. He has issues with catching the ball with his body instead of his hands. Still, I believe he can evolve into a No. 1 playmaker, much like how Reggie Wayne emerged from Marvin Harrison’s shadow. The best situation for Hankerson would be to have him start opposite a true No. 1 WR for a few years, like Wayne did. (Houston/Kansas City/Atlanta, 1st/2nd Round)

10) QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri – Gabbert is very athletic and has plenty of room to improve his game. However, his college numbers are not overwhelming with 16 TDs and 9 INTs in 2010. He would be best served if he held the clipboard for the first six games in order to adjust to the speed of the NFL (Arizona/Tennessee/Washington, 1st Round).

11) TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame – Rudolph had his senior season at Notre Dame cut short due to injury. The talented TE has the rare ability to block and catch equally well. (Carolina/Denver/Cleveland, 3rd/4th Round)

12) WR Torrey Smith, Maryland – Smith is very similar to Leonard Hankerson in the sense that he isn’t the most explosive receiver, but is quick in his cuts and always finds a way to get open. Most people want to compare Smith to Darrius Heyward-Bey, his Maryland predecessor, but Smith is more athletic. (Detroit/Kansas City/Atlanta, late 1st/early 2nd Round)

13) WR Titus Young, Boise State – Young is quick and fast. He is similar in stature to DeSean Jackson, but doesn’t fight for the ball as well as Jackson does. Young tends to get outmuscled, and will need to be used in the slot or in motion in order to avoid getting jammed at the line. (Tampa Bay/Oakland/Atlanta, 2nd/3rd Round)

14) RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma – Murray is fantastic in space, but he might have problems running between the tackles in the NFL. Murray reminds me of a less talented Reggie Bush; however, just like Bush, Murray could be very effective in an offense tailored to his abilities. (Tampa Bay/Green Bay/Houston, 3rd/4th Round)

15) RB Jordan Todman, Connecticut – Todman is everything that his old college teammate, Donald Brown, is not. Todman is a physical, between-the-tackles runner with a second gear to get to the outside. He was not asked to catch a lot in college, but showed nice pass-catching abilities when he did. Physically, he reminds me of Warrick Dunn. (Chicago/Seattle, 4th/5th Round)

16) WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy – Jernigan does everything well, but nothing outstanding. At 5’9”, 190 lbs., he struggles against physical cornerbacks. But, he sees the field well; he’s an electric returner who can also find holes in the defense. (Dallas/Jacksonville 3rd/4th Rd)

17) QB Cam Newton, Auburn – Newton has a big arm and is quite athletic for a man his size. However, he has never played in a pro-style offense and will need to sit out a year in order to get acclimated to the NFL. (Tennessee/Washington/Jacksonville, 1st Round)

18) RB Delone Carter, Syracuse – Carter is a fire hydrant, built low to the ground with a wide, strong base. At 5’10”, 215 lbs., he is compact and delivers hits. Carter shows good field vision and falls forward on his runs. He could be a good complementary back whose role could change over time as he transitions into a more complete RB. (NY Giants/Baltimore/Green Bay, 4th/5th Round)

19) WR Greg Little, North Carolina – Little was suspended for the 2010 season for accepting money from an agent. The former RB stands at 6’3”, 220 lbs., and is a very physical player both before and after the catch. The combine and pro day results will affect his stock the most. (Washington/Jacksonville/Chicago, 3rd-5th Round)

20) RB Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh – Lewis is a very athletic runner who can make defenders miss. He has good hands and wiggle, and reminds me most of former Panther teammate LeSean McCoy, though with less power and poorer vision. I am not convinced that Lewis can take the pounding that the NFL pours on running backs. (Washington/Tampa Bay/Indianapolis, 4th/5th Round)

21) RB Bilal Powell, Louisville – Powell is a straight-ahead runner with soft hands. At the Senior Bowl, he demonstrated his ability to run behind his pads, delivering blows to the defense. Powell may start as a short-yardage back, but he will showcase his all-around ability in time. (Baltimore/Philadelphia, 4th-6th Round)

22) WR Austin Pettis, Boise State – Pettis can make the circus catches that take your breath away. Unfortunately, he can’t sink his hips in order to generate more power and speed; thus, he struggles to get away from tight, press coverage. If Pettis is used in the slot, he could be a productive NFL receiver. (Washington/Tennessee, 4th/5th Round)

23) TE D.J. Williams, Arkansas – Williams is similar to Dustin Keller and Aaron Hernandez in the sense that Williams is willing to play FB/HB/TE whenever he is needed. He also has good hands and can find open spots in a defense, especially in zone coverage. (Denver/Arizona/Tampa Bay, 4th/5th Round)

24) QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas – Mallett, the much maligned signal-caller from Arkansas, has been moving all around draft boards. He has a strong arm and is very statuesque in the pocket. Although his leadership and maturity have been questioned, he found a way to increase his completion percentage and TDs each year in college. His reliance on his offensive line may keep him from playing much in 2011. (San Francisco/Tennessee/Miami, 1st/2nd Round)

Let’s revisit this rookie list once the combine and individual pro days have been completed. Hopefully, the CBA will be signed by then, and we’ll have a clearer picture of what each NFL team needs after free agent signings fall into place.

You can find me on Twitter @AndrewMiley. For more of my dynasty football thoughts, visit www.dynastyblitz.com

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

12) WR Torrey Smith, Maryland – Smith is very similar to Leonard Hankerson in the sense that he isn’t the most explosive receiver, but is quick in his cuts and always finds a way to get open. Most people want to compare Smith to Darrius Heyward-Bey, his Maryland predecessor, but Smith is more athletic. (Detroit/Kansas City/Atlanta, late 1st/early 2nd Round)

Don't you mean that Torrey Smith is more of a "real" football player than DHB, not that he's more athletic?

 

[eaglesfan7]

Looks like Daniel Thomas is dropping with his hammy issue.

 

[FTRWRTR]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

 

[FTRWRTR]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

 

[eaglesfan7]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

Not even close. AJ still goes 4 or 5 spots ahead of Julio.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

A few tenths of a second faster in the forty doesn't trump Greens superior receiving skills.. Most of us already knew Green is a better WR, Jones is a stronger athlete, this doesn't change anything drastically. Now we just wait to see where they land.

 

[FTRWRTR]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

A few tenths of a second faster in the forty doesn't trump Greens superior receiving skills.. Most of us already knew Green is a better WR, Jones is a stronger athlete, this doesn't change anything drastically. Now we just wait to see where they land.

I live in athens, GA and have seen just about every game for UGA that green has played in. He's the real deal and any nfl team would be lucky to have him but he does not have surperior receiving skills over jones. He had the good fortune to play with better qbs.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

With his 4.39/40 Julio Jones just became the #1 wr in this draft. Many ppl, including myself, said he was better than green but this cements it. No way a 6'3" 220lb wr who runs a sub 4.4/40 won't be the first wr drafted.

A few tenths of a second faster in the forty doesn't trump Greens superior receiving skills.. Most of us already knew Green is a better WR, Jones is a stronger athlete, this doesn't change anything drastically. Now we just wait to see where they land.

I live in athens, GA and have seen just about every game for UGA that green has played in. He's the real deal and any nfl team would be lucky to have him but he does not have surperior receiving skills over jones. He had the good fortune to play with better qbs.

How do you quantify that theory?