2011 Sleeper: Dezmon Briscoe (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Tampa Bay coaches are very high on Briscoe. Arrelious Benn will be coming off a torn ACL, so Briscoe should get a legitimate chance to shine early in 2011. He played in the last two games of the year and had 6 receptions for 93 yards and a TD. Briscoe has good size (6'3" 207), uses his body well, and is a good after the catch receiver. Briscoe also runs good routes and has strong hands. He's not a speed guy (4.5+) and he had maturity issues at Kansas that affected his draft stock. If he has decided to work hard and become a professional, he's got a chance to be a very good WR #2 IMO. Some say playing in the spread offense at Kansas inflated his numbers, but I doubt those same people are saying the same thing about Michael Crabtree. While I doubt he will ever be WR #1 material, he does have some upside.

 

[Patsfan39]

Benn is ahead of schedule, he's supposed to be ready by June/July I heard.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Benn is ahead of schedule, he's supposed to be ready by June/July I heard.

I don't care what they say about being ahead of schedule, because tearing an ACL in December to me means no way he's ready to be an effective WR in the first 8 games of 2011 and probably not until 2012.

 

[purplejesus28]

Dez is a guy I planned on grabbing late in last year's rookie draft, but kept having other guys slide and didnt' get to it. He went undrafted. I think I can still get him late this year and plan to do so.

 

[Steed]

Benn's kind of a wuss too. He was still feeling the effects this year of an ankle sprain from his college days. Injured often and slow healer = opportunity for Briscoe.

 

[SpineDoc]

Benn is ahead of schedule, he's supposed to be ready by June/July I heard.

I don't care what they say about being ahead of schedule, because tearing an ACL in December to me means no way he's ready to be an effective WR in the first 8 games of 2011 and probably not until 2012.

Not necessarily true. An ACl used to take 9 months to rehab, but it can be done in 6 with some athletes. Just look at Wes Welker last year. Now Benn is no Wes Welker, but he is much younger which has a lot to do with healing.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

 

[doowain]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Of course it's not medical knowledge. Benn is an up-and-comer in the league. He played well at the end of last season and could be ready for the start of the 2011 season (if there is one). In redraft leagues I'll stay away because he needs time to get back to 100% health. But in dynasty, he is a player you can get on the cheap and I'm buying.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Mostly from watching athletes tear up their knee and seeing when they are again effective. So you can call it experience My guess is that you have the same experience and so do many others Not sure why all of your responses to my posts come off as sarcastic or sometimes as just plain nasty.

 

[doowain]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Mostly from watching athletes tear up their knee and seeing when they are again effective. So you can call it experience My guess is that you have the same experience and so do many others Not sure why all of your responses to my posts come off as sarcastic or sometimes as just plain nasty.

I think you take it that way because you don't like what you pass off as fact being questioned as opinion.In a hobby full of egos, yours seems to get bruised very easily. Probably shouldn't take things so personally.

 

[domvin]

Let's go back to briscoe

He most likely came out a year too early, but he did get drafted late by the bengals, and was cut on the last day of camp. Cincy tried to sign him to a rookie/practice squad deal, but TB offered a vet salary , I think, in 300K range.

Briscoe was all conference at Kansas, and he came into the league extremely young-I think he was only 20 when he was drafted.

Given that benn has an arduous recovery, I like Briscoe to have an early impact, not to mention a solid cast of offensive players around him.

My 2 cents-on ACL's.

Welker had an incredible comeback, especially since he was rehabbing a shoulder as well from surgery. i think this was extremely rare-only 8-9 months and actually playing.

It's been noted that the recovery time from ACL's has been hastened. That is true, players are getting on the field faster from ACL surgery, but the full recovery is a different matter. Benn most likely won't be full throttle (if ever) until the 2012 season. Just my opinion, having torn an acl myself.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Just my opinion, having torn an acl myself.

I'm guessing domvin does not get the same treatment as professional football players.

 

[domvin]

Just my opinion, having torn an acl myself.

I'm guessing domvin does not get the same treatment as professional football players.

Being an ex college athlete, actually I did. Bengals Team Doctor.AWESOME try though....

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Mostly from watching athletes tear up their knee and seeing when they are again effective. So you can call it experience My guess is that you have the same experience and so do many others Not sure why all of your responses to my posts come off as sarcastic or sometimes as just plain nasty.

I think you take it that way because you don't like what you pass off as fact being questioned as opinion.In a hobby full of egos, yours seems to get bruised very easily. Probably shouldn't take things so personally.

Honestly, I didn't think what I said was any big secret regarding ACL FULL recovery time, so no, I'm not trying to pass anything off to the general public other than what they already know.

 

[Cleat Spike]

That's why I love playing in an NCAA fantasy league. If you're in multiple dynasty leagues, it's almost a must. When you've had a few of these guys on your team through out the years you know what they are capable of beyond the stats and Youtube. Different level yes, but I've found when you have the true Set & Forget type of guys in your league...the guys that every week without fail dominate in your league and put up that 25-35 points every week, you just about know they'll make good NFL players in the right situation in due time. For me a couple years ago it was Briscoe and Danario heading my WR corps. Even though both their stocks were obviously low post-draft, I've waited a year and I've gone back to these guys on the cheap wherever I could. Briscoe has the skills and with the perfect storm forming in Tampa of Josh Freeman, Tampa Mike and Blount...he's got a supporting cast that's only going to make him better and probably a year cushion from Benn's injury to help too.

 

[DropKick]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Mostly from watching athletes tear up their knee and seeing when they are again effective. So you can call it experience My guess is that you have the same experience and so do many others Not sure why all of your responses to my posts come off as sarcastic or sometimes as just plain nasty.

I think you take it that way because you don't like what you pass off as fact being questioned as opinion.In a hobby full of egos, yours seems to get bruised very easily. Probably shouldn't take things so personally.

Honestly, I didn't think what I said was any big secret regarding ACL FULL recovery time, so no, I'm not trying to pass anything off to the general public other than what they already know.

I agree with you Hoss, the vast majority of ACL injuries require time to heal. And the injury will slow Benn's development. I'm a big believer in Tampa Mike. Can TB produce two fantasy relevant WRs? How much of a ceiling does Benn's eventual return put on Brisoce's long term value? As an owner of Tampa Mike, I'm not buying... just don't want to invest that much in the Tampa passing game.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Key words for Benn is "how effective can he be" and I say not very.

And you are basing this on your medical knowledge? Sounds to me like it's just a gut feeling.

Mostly from watching athletes tear up their knee and seeing when they are again effective. So you can call it experience My guess is that you have the same experience and so do many others Not sure why all of your responses to my posts come off as sarcastic or sometimes as just plain nasty.

I think you take it that way because you don't like what you pass off as fact being questioned as opinion.In a hobby full of egos, yours seems to get bruised very easily. Probably shouldn't take things so personally.

Honestly, I didn't think what I said was any big secret regarding ACL FULL recovery time, so no, I'm not trying to pass anything off to the general public other than what they already know.

I agree with you Hoss, the vast majority of ACL injuries require time to heal. And the injury will slow Benn's development. I'm a big believer in Tampa Mike. Can TB produce two fantasy relevant WRs? How much of a ceiling does Benn's eventual return put on Brisoce's long term value? As an owner of Tampa Mike, I'm not buying... just don't want to invest that much in the Tampa passing game.

there is the big question, given TampeMike and KWII are options 1 and 2. So Dez is likely 3rd best option

 

[hostile]

Dunno why everyone is getting so uppity...

If Briscoe has the tools, but just lacks some seasoning and an opportunity, there are far worse players who you could take a flier on at the end of your bench (assuming everyone here these days are dynasty folks)...

Gotta agree with above points: Yes, ACL fixes are becoming easier and easier to come back from, but from my personal experience too, damn they are a hard road if you've done the "unhappy triad".

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Just my opinion, having torn an acl myself.

I'm guessing domvin does not get the same treatment as professional football players.

Being an ex college athlete, actually I did. Bengals Team Doctor.AWESOME try though....

Try? I wasn't trying to be snarky. Most of the folk who have experiences on here are couch potatoes or do little more than play a weekly game of softball. Then they get on here and explain why so and so can't recover that quickly because THEY couldn't recover that quickly. Nevermind the fact the athlete's job is to recover and these folk are squeezing in some hours between number crunching. If you're actually one of the few people speaking with legitimate experience you should say so. In your initial post. It will gain your post an actual bit of credibility.

 

[domvin]

Yep....I thought you were being snarky/smart###....my apologies then bro.

IMO, you want a slow, thorough rehab. The hastened rehab leads to compensating for the injury. Your squats, you go upward akwardly compensating for the pain, can lead to tearing up your back or herniated disks. Just a myriad of problems if not dealt with properly.

What Welker was able to do was pretty much a miracle. Same thing with Mcgahee. Even Terry Allen back in 96/97-with two reconstructed knees.

Anyhow, Briscoe has a shot here, let's see what he can do with it

 

[FUBAR]

If Briscoe has the tools, but just lacks some seasoning and an opportunity, there are far worse players who you could take a flier on at the end of your bench (assuming everyone here these days are dynasty folks)...

I was hoping to get him cheap. As a Jayhawk, I like the kid and saw him play when I could (which, no longer living in the state wasn't as often as I'd have liked). The kid has skills but let's face it, the coaching in Lawrence wasn't the best. If everyone is healthy, his upside isn't all that high with Williams and Winslow in town and although I like Freeman a lot, he isn't going to pass enough to have 3 stud receivers. Still, I like the coaching in Tampa and Briscoe has talent. He's unlikely to be anything more than a WR3 or filler but for his price tag, that's not bad.

 

[SpineDoc]

Yep....I thought you were being snarky/smart###....my apologies then bro.IMO, you want a slow, thorough rehab. The hastened rehab leads to compensating for the injury. Your squats, you go upward akwardly compensating for the pain, can lead to tearing up your back or herniated disks. Just a myriad of problems if not dealt with properly.What Welker was able to do was pretty much a miracle. Same thing with Mcgahee. Even Terry Allen back in 96/97-with two reconstructed knees.Anyhow, Briscoe has a shot here, let's see what he can do with it

I like talking injuries. No snarkyness here either. I agree with the thorough rehab part but that doesnt necessarily mean slow. The longer it takes to get to active rehab (passive is first, ie. ice, rest, MFR), the more scar tissue, muscle atrophy decreased range of motion, bad stuff like that happens. Most those guys are pretty agressive with rehab unlike us that arent elite athletes. Welker's rehab was pretty amazing considering the extent of the injury and the other things he was having to rehab too.Maybe if Benn doesnt come back quickly then that does open the door for Briscoe.FWIW

 

[domvin]

One thing to add, is, with the lockout, none of these injured guys are having their teams monitor the rehab.

The players can't workout, or watch film on-site. They can't be anywhere on team facilities.

It's a bad year to have an injury. I won't be surprised, when come July, guys like Benn(Knee) or Chris Ivory(Lis Franc), MJD, Knee(microfracture?) are coming into camp and their injuries have not been treated aggressively or properly enough.

 

[SpineDoc]

One thing to add, is, with the lockout, none of these injured guys are having their teams monitor the rehab.The players can't workout, or watch film on-site. They can't be anywhere on team facilities.It's a bad year to have an injury. I won't be surprised, when come July, guys like Benn(Knee) or Chris Ivory(Lis Franc), MJD, Knee(microfracture?) are coming into camp and their injuries have not been treated aggressively or properly enough.

I have spoken to a few NFL trainers, and they were all scrambling last week to get their guys scheduled out at the various physical therapy clinics that they work with. The trainers don't like not having 100% control rehabing their athletes. However, I wouldn't be suprised if they were checking on the athletes progress on the down low. So I agree, not a great offseason to have surgery as far as that goes.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wish Benn all the best in his recovery and from what I've heard he's coming along just fine and is ahead of schedule. But in case he isn't ready Briscoe has a chance to be fantasy relevant in 2011.

"The Pewter Report believes that Dezmon Briscoe could start at receiver for the Buccaneers in 2011 if Arrelious Benn is not recovered from ACL surgery.

Analysis: Briscoe is well-built at 6-2, 207 pounds, and is an excellent leaper with strong hands. He may lack speed, but isnt afraid to roam over the middle in traffic for the ball and runs precise routes, skills which could be an asset for risng quarterback Josh Freeman. He only made two appearances as a rookie in 2010, but did score a touchdown and his fantasy stock could be on the rise if he does end up with a bigger role in Tampa Bay next season."

 

[Alluro]

"Dezmon Briscoe is the best receiver you likely have never heard of. He has been the talk of Bucs camp, though. He was a legitimate star in college (Kansas) and should be far more of a factor in Year 2. He might even prove to be Mike Williams good. Seriously."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/eric_mack/08/15/fantasy-football-notebook/index.html?sct=nfl_bf1_a4

 

[Irish Chaos]

that off the helmet catch.....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sounds like he's earned a starting spot.

 

[cvnpoka]

as usual, lol bengals

 

[Touchdown There]

as usual, lol bengals

We all lol Bengals, but Briscoe plays for the Bucs.

 

[Touchdown There]

as usual, lol bengals

We all lol Bengals, but Briscoe plays for the Bucs.

 

[ChainsawU]

Bengals waived Briscoe last year hoping that he would clear waivers and be available for them to place on the Practice Squad. The Bucs offered Briscoe significantly more money, so he joined Tampa Bay’s practice squad instead.

 

[bonesman]

Sounds like he's earned a starting spot.

I'd like to hear that out of Morris' mouth instead of the St. Petersburg Times. Benn is apparently ready, but they're being cautious with him. Full running and cutting but no hits yet. Briscoe is doing everything he needs to right now though.

 

[trader jake]

He looked good in the preseason game against Kansas City, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So the Bucs will have three legitimate weapons at WR and another one at TE?

Bump up Josh Freeman

 

[Insein]

So the Bucs will have three legitimate weapons at WR and another one at TE?Bump up Josh Freeman

Freeman is looking more and more like a possible QB1.

 

[ATC1]

So the Bucs will have three legitimate weapons at WR and another one at TE?

Bump up Josh Freeman

Freeman is looking more and more like a possible QB1.

Can Benn, Mike Williams, Briscoe and Winslow be considered legitimate weapons?

 

[Insein]

So the Bucs will have three legitimate weapons at WR and another one at TE?

Bump up Josh Freeman

Freeman is looking more and more like a possible QB1.

Can Benn, Mike Williams, Briscoe and Winslow be considered legitimate weapons?

Mike Williams and Winslow definitely. Benn and Briscoe are young but look promising. Sometimes thats all you need (and an O-line to keep you off your back.)