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http://profootballtTexans keep Jacoby Jones

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 27, 2011, 6:41 AM EDT

The Houston Texans will hold on to free agent wide receiver Jacoby Jones.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that Jones agreed to a three-year contract worth $10.5 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed. Jones, the Texans’ No. 3 receiver, had 51 catches for 562 yards last season.

The Texans will also re-sign offensive tackle Rashad Butler, agreeing to a two-year deal worth $3.8 million, with a $1.25 million signing bonus. Butler was a backup last season but started four games while Duane Brown was suspended.

The next priority for the Texans is to re-sign fullback Vonta Leach. McClain also reports that the Texans still want to re-sign backup quarterback Matt Leinart, who reportedly reached an agreement to sign with the Seahawks.

 
'dhockster said:
As for team player, I think he did alright with the Giants when they won the super bowl and he made the game winning catch.
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:rolleyes: Really? Wow.I've got no desire to further a conversation with someone who can't discern the simple difference between a team player and a good play.
 
'FF Ninja said:
'dhockster said:
As for team player, I think he did alright with the Giants when they won the super bowl and he made the game winning catch.
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:rolleyes: Really? Wow.I've got no desire to further a conversation with someone who can't discern the simple difference between a team player and a good play.
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Sorry that I have apparently wasted your time. I probably did not state my point for why Plaxico is a decent team player well enough.If you look at the Giants over the years, they are one of the best run franchises in the NFL. They tend not to have a whole lot of locker room problems. While I think it is pretty apparent that Plaxico has maturity issues (being let go by the Steelers, taking a gun to a nightclub), I have never heard of him being a locker room problem (if you have any evidence that he was, I would love to hear it). The fact that the Giants are trying to re-sign him, even after the gun issue, confirms that the Giants don't think he is a problem as a team player. As for his talent, from 2006-2008 he had two 1,000 yard receiving years and averaged almost 10 TD catches a season. Even if he is 80% of what he was in 2008, he is still a more dynamic #2 receiver than what the Texans have now.This whole discussion is probably moot because the Texans have resigned Jacoby Jones, and probably won't put any more money into their WR's.Maybe I am biased towards Plaxico because I grew in Philly and have watched him torment the Eagles over the years. Maybe I also am biased because I have watched another knucklehead (Vick) come back from a prison term and have success. All I know is that the Texans policy of not signing any potential problem players has not generated much success for the franchise. I think they need to change their mindset if they want to change their results.
 
I've heard he was a guy who was late to team meetings, lazy on the practice field, and stuff like that. There's no easy way to dig that stuff up now, but I would think any moderately knowledgeable Giants fan could expand on this. I caught all my info on him incidentally, as I've always been lukewarm on the guy so I've never owned him. In fact, I've probably just gotten that information from Giants fans who were venting or the occasional blurb in the ESPN ticker.

I remain in favor of the Texans signing good players rather than good guys, but I've got no desire to sign a lazy, rusty one-trick pony.

And you're right, this is all a moot point now that we've resigned Jacoby.

 
'dhockster said:
'FF Ninja said:
'dhockster said:
As for team player, I think he did alright with the Giants when they won the super bowl and he made the game winning catch.
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:rolleyes: Really? Wow.

I've got no desire to further a conversation with someone who can't discern the simple difference between a team player and a good play.
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Sorry that I have apparently wasted your time. I probably did not state my point for why Plaxico is a decent team player well enough.If you look at the Giants over the years, they are one of the best run franchises in the NFL. They tend not to have a whole lot of locker room problems. While I think it is pretty apparent that Plaxico has maturity issues (being let go by the Steelers, taking a gun to a nightclub), I have never heard of him being a locker room problem (if you have any evidence that he was, I would love to hear it). The fact that the Giants are trying to re-sign him, even after the gun issue, confirms that the Giants don't think he is a problem as a team player. As for his talent, from 2006-2008 he had two 1,000 yard receiving years and averaged almost 10 TD catches a season. Even if he is 80% of what he was in 2008, he is still a more dynamic #2 receiver than what the Texans have now.

This whole discussion is probably moot because the Texans have resigned Jacoby Jones, and probably won't put any more money into their WR's.

Maybe I am biased towards Plaxico because I grew in Philly and have watched him torment the Eagles over the years. Maybe I also am biased because I have watched another knucklehead (Vick) come back from a prison term and have success. All I know is that the Texans policy of not signing any potential problem players has not generated much success for the franchise. I think they need to change their mindset if they want to change their results.
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Plax is "dynamic"? :lmao: I wouldn't have complained if Houston picked up Plax on the cheap for a year. But the guy is an off-field disaster.

Are you actually suggesting that the Texans adopt a policy of signing problem players?

 
'FF Ninja said:
I've heard he was a guy who was late to team meetings, lazy on the practice field, and stuff like that. There's no easy way to dig that stuff up now, but I would think any moderately knowledgeable Giants fan could expand on this. I caught all my info on him incidentally, as I've always been lukewarm on the guy so I've never owned him. In fact, I've probably just gotten that information from Giants fans who were venting or the occasional blurb in the ESPN ticker.I remain in favor of the Texans signing good players rather than good guys, but I've got no desire to sign a lazy, rusty one-trick pony.And you're right, this is all a moot point now that we've resigned Jacoby.
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FYI, I found this on wikipedia. I had forgotten that Burress had been suspended by the Giants before he shot himself in the leg. Your right, heis kind of a jerk. I stand corrected.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaxico_Burress
Just before the start of the Giants mandatory May mini-camp, Burress had said that he would not participate in the camp because he was upset with his contract.[8] He attended the camp to avoid paying a fine but refused to practice with the team.[9] Although he was slated to receive $3.25 million for 2008, Burress felt underpaid compared to other star receivers.[9] After indicating that he might hold out training camp as well,[8] he joined, but practiced very little, claiming his ankle was injured.[10]On September 24, 2008, the team announced that Burress would be suspended for the game on October 5 for a violation of team rules.[11] He did not show up for work on a Monday and could not be reached by phone for two days. This was not the first time that Burress had been temporarily suspended by an NFL team—in May 2004, he was suspended by the Pittsburgh Steelers for failing to show up for a Monday team practice. On October 24 he was issued three fines totaling $45,000 for the following reasons:$20,000 for post game comments regarding officiating—specifically, inappropriate comments on officiating. $20,000 for unsportsmanlike conduct—specifically, verbal abuse of the head linesman. $5,000 for throwing the ball in the stands.
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'Nate said:
'dhockster said:
'FF Ninja said:
'dhockster said:
As for team player, I think he did alright with the Giants when they won the super bowl and he made the game winning catch.
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:rolleyes: Really? Wow.

I've got no desire to further a conversation with someone who can't discern the simple difference between a team player and a good play.
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Sorry that I have apparently wasted your time. I probably did not state my point for why Plaxico is a decent team player well enough.If you look at the Giants over the years, they are one of the best run franchises in the NFL. They tend not to have a whole lot of locker room problems. While I think it is pretty apparent that Plaxico has maturity issues (being let go by the Steelers, taking a gun to a nightclub), I have never heard of him being a locker room problem (if you have any evidence that he was, I would love to hear it). The fact that the Giants are trying to re-sign him, even after the gun issue, confirms that the Giants don't think he is a problem as a team player. As for his talent, from 2006-2008 he had two 1,000 yard receiving years and averaged almost 10 TD catches a season. Even if he is 80% of what he was in 2008, he is still a more dynamic #2 receiver than what the Texans have now.

This whole discussion is probably moot because the Texans have resigned Jacoby Jones, and probably won't put any more money into their WR's.

Maybe I am biased towards Plaxico because I grew in Philly and have watched him torment the Eagles over the years. Maybe I also am biased because I have watched another knucklehead (Vick) come back from a prison term and have success. All I know is that the Texans policy of not signing any potential problem players has not generated much success for the franchise. I think they need to change their mindset if they want to change their results.
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Plax is "dynamic"? :lmao: I wouldn't have complained if Houston picked up Plax on the cheap for a year. But the guy is an off-field disaster.

Are you actually suggesting that the Texans adopt a policy of signing problem players?
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Maybe "dynamic" was the wrong word. But 29 TD's in 3 years makes you a pretty good weapon, better than what the Texans have behind AJ. Andyes, I would not have wanted the Texans to break the bank on him, he is not worth that, but like you said, if they could have gotten him for

a reasonable price, I think he would have been worth it.

Finally, no, I am not saying the Texans should go looking to sign problem players. I just think that being overly concerned with signing "character" guys has prevented the Texans from going after some quality players who may have some off the field problems. As long as the locker room is made up mostly of "Character" guys, that tends to keep the non-choir boys in line. Players can get in trouble, and some of them overcome their troubles. So far, Vick is an example of this. Cris Carter was cut from the Eagles because he had a drug problem. That caused him to reevaluate his life, and he went on to a great career with Minnesota. The Texans need to be willing to give someone a chance to turn their career around. Both the team and the player can benefit.

 
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Interesting tidbit about Walter's contract that I found in an article:

Kevin Walter was re-signed last season to a new deal, which was front-loaded with guaranteed money. As part of his deal, his entire 2011 base salary of $3 million is guaranteed, but he likely could be cut after this year as it will not affect the salary cap for 2012.
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I don't understand how we can afford that. Wouldn't we be better off spreading that around? SS, CB, NT, maybe even improve the OL?

 
'FF Ninja said:
I don't understand how we can afford that. Wouldn't we be better off spreading that around? SS, CB, NT, maybe even improve the OL?
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I wouldn't worry about the OL... I think we had the 2nd ranked OL last year by Football Outsiders when they ranked each individual player on every game of the season.If it were me, I'd probably also go for a few very good players for the same money rather than Nnamdi. But if we get him, I'm not going to complain about it either. Not at all. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Having a guy who can shut down one entire side of the field can go a long way towards helping your safety play as they can cheat more.
 
Thing that worries me the most is the Texans mortgaging their future as Smith and Kubiak try to save their jobs. Mario's contract is up after this year I believe and that's going to cost us some money. Foster is playing year 3 on a piddly RFA contract. We need to look at giving him a full size contract next year I think. How are those going to happen with what we may be spending this year. We still have to sign all of this year's drafted rookies too.

 
'GregR said:
'FF Ninja said:
I don't understand how we can afford that. Wouldn't we be better off spreading that around? SS, CB, NT, maybe even improve the OL?
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I wouldn't worry about the OL... I think we had the 2nd ranked OL last year by Football Outsiders when they ranked each individual player on every game of the season.If it were me, I'd probably also go for a few very good players for the same money rather than Nnamdi. But if we get him, I'm not going to complain about it either. Not at all. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Having a guy who can shut down one entire side of the field can go a long way towards helping your safety play as they can cheat more.
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Yeah, we did well last year, but look at each guy. Who do you see and think "stud"? None of them stand out to me, except maybe Winston. Seems like we could improve on all the rest, and it seems like center is always mentioned as our weak spot. What did Meyers cost us? A 6th rounder? I'm not saying it needs to be a priority, but there are a lot of good players out there moving around.Either way, I agree in that I'm not going to complain if we land him. It'll make things more interesting in 2011. But your next post about mortgaging the future. How long of a deal is he looking for? He will be 30 for this season. He's probably got 4-5 good years left. Maybe not all elite, but good. But we'd be paying him elite money for a while...
 
'FF Ninja said:
'GregR said:
'FF Ninja said:
I don't understand how we can afford that. Wouldn't we be better off spreading that around? SS, CB, NT, maybe even improve the OL?
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I wouldn't worry about the OL... I think we had the 2nd ranked OL last year by Football Outsiders when they ranked each individual player on every game of the season.If it were me, I'd probably also go for a few very good players for the same money rather than Nnamdi. But if we get him, I'm not going to complain about it either. Not at all. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Having a guy who can shut down one entire side of the field can go a long way towards helping your safety play as they can cheat more.
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Yeah, we did well last year, but look at each guy. Who do you see and think "stud"? None of them stand out to me, except maybe Winston. Seems like we could improve on all the rest, and it seems like center is always mentioned as our weak spot. What did Meyers cost us? A 6th rounder? I'm not saying it needs to be a priority, but there are a lot of good players out there moving around.Either way, I agree in that I'm not going to complain if we land him. It'll make things more interesting in 2011. But your next post about mortgaging the future. How long of a deal is he looking for? He will be 30 for this season. He's probably got 4-5 good years left. Maybe not all elite, but good. But we'd be paying him elite money for a while...
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Fitz signed a 4 year 40 mil extension 3 years ago and now Holmes signed a 5 year 50 mil contract. Basically elite money becomes very good money in ~ 3 years in the NFL.

 
'GregR said:
Thing that worries me the most is the Texans mortgaging their future as Smith and Kubiak try to save their jobs. Mario's contract is up after this year I believe and that's going to cost us some money. Foster is playing year 3 on a piddly RFA contract. We need to look at giving him a full size contract next year I think. How are those going to happen with what we may be spending this year. We still have to sign all of this year's drafted rookies too.
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I'm honestly at the point where I'm not sure how bothered I am about mortgaging the future for a playoff appearance.The logical side of me of course sees the long-term issues with signing Asomugha at $14M/yr, but I want playoffs dammit!
 
'FF Ninja said:
'GregR said:
'FF Ninja said:
I don't understand how we can afford that. Wouldn't we be better off spreading that around? SS, CB, NT, maybe even improve the OL?
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I wouldn't worry about the OL... I think we had the 2nd ranked OL last year by Football Outsiders when they ranked each individual player on every game of the season.If it were me, I'd probably also go for a few very good players for the same money rather than Nnamdi. But if we get him, I'm not going to complain about it either. Not at all. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Having a guy who can shut down one entire side of the field can go a long way towards helping your safety play as they can cheat more.
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Yeah, we did well last year, but look at each guy. Who do you see and think "stud"? None of them stand out to me, except maybe Winston. Seems like we could improve on all the rest, and it seems like center is always mentioned as our weak spot. What did Meyers cost us? A 6th rounder? I'm not saying it needs to be a priority, but there are a lot of good players out there moving around.Either way, I agree in that I'm not going to complain if we land him. It'll make things more interesting in 2011. But your next post about mortgaging the future. How long of a deal is he looking for? He will be 30 for this season. He's probably got 4-5 good years left. Maybe not all elite, but good. But we'd be paying him elite money for a while...
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I'll say that like most people, O-line is the hardest thing for me personally to rate. So I tend to go on what others say. So that said, I've heard a lot of good things about Chris Myers actually. I mean a lot of good things. I previously mentioned FO's rankings, I want to say that Myers was in the top 3 centers though I could be wrong on that.But for others, like check this out: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6648025

Underrated, but strong up the middle

Even without former Pro Bowlers and first-round picks, this is one stout team

Clayton By John Clayton

ESPN.com

The strongest part of this All-Underrated Team is up the middle.

Chris Myers of the Houston Texans is a center who draws plenty of praise from scouts around the league. Josh Sitton of the Green Bay Packers is emerging as one of the next top guards. Terrance Knighton is an anchor in the middle of the Jaguars' defensive line, and Antonio Garay came out of nowhere to become a force at nose tackle for the San Diego Chargers.

To come up with this list, I tried to stay away from Pro Bowl selections and former first-round picks. This isn't the next group of breakout players -- these are good players performing under the radar who deserve recognition.

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And this one: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/24528/underrated-players-afc-south

Underrated players: AFC South

June, 10, 2011

By Paul Kuharsky

» NFC Underrated Players: East | West | North | South » AFC: East | West | North | South

A team-by-team look at the most underrated players in the division.

Houston Texans

Chris Myers, center: A team with a good deal of flashy names and stars needs quality players in support roles to be effective. The Texans don’t have enough of them, but Myers is certainly one. I’ve heard from scouts he’s underrated and good at what the Texans ask their line to do. He worked as the man in the middle for the line that helped a guy who wasn’t drafted, Arian Foster, to the NFL rushing title in 2010. Most fans couldn’t name a single Texans lineman, but Myers deserves more recognition. He'll be hard-pressed to get it, though, while Jeff Saturday is still playing center for the rival Colts.
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And here: http://houston.sbnation.com/2011/6/10/2217327/houston-texans-pass-protection-rates-out-well
It’s not a surprise that the interior line continues to get credit this off-season. PFF loves them some Wade Smith and deemed him one of the best free agent pickups of last off-season as well as one of the best guards in the game. Starting center Chris Myers, for all the Kris Jenkins jokes, was healthy and it showed in his performance as he was arguably the best lineman for Houston last season. In fact, if Houston had won more (and subsequently been seen by larger audiences) then both men probably could have made their way into the Pro Bowl and/or All Pro teams based on their performance.
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If I personally were going to upgrade the offense, I'd worry about keeping Leach and then getting a better WR2.

 
Such a good discussion I forgot to post what I came in here to post. :)

A Chargers beat writer was on NFLN, and said that the Texans offered Weddle a bigger contract than the Chargers did, but he decided to stay with them.

Disappointing as a Texans fan, but there's the silver lining of seeing the Texans are willing to spend to improve themselves. If they miss out on Nnamdi I think there's still the hope they will be active with the rest of the free agents out there rather than it being a sign they aren't willing to do what it takes.

I'm still not sure that missing out on Nnamdi wouldn't be for the best. A nice 7 year contract with a young Jonathan Joseph could be nice to have over maybe having a big contract for Nnamdi that his play level is dropping off with age at the end of it.

But again, I'll take either happily.

 
'Nate said:
'GregR said:
Thing that worries me the most is the Texans mortgaging their future as Smith and Kubiak try to save their jobs. Mario's contract is up after this year I believe and that's going to cost us some money. Foster is playing year 3 on a piddly RFA contract. We need to look at giving him a full size contract next year I think. How are those going to happen with what we may be spending this year. We still have to sign all of this year's drafted rookies too.
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I'm honestly at the point where I'm not sure how bothered I am about mortgaging the future for a playoff appearance.The logical side of me of course sees the long-term issues with signing Asomugha at $14M/yr, but I want playoffs dammit!
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I feel you. The logical part of me might worry, but as long as they improve themselves now I'll live with it.
 
Texans public training camp schedule

Free tickets can be printed from the Texans official website. Tickets are limited to 10 per person per practice.

The schedule:

Saturday, August 6 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

Sunday, August 7 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

Tuesday, August 9 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

Wednesday, August 10 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

Friday, August 12 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

Saturday, August 13 -- 8:00 – 10:00 a.m.

 
Caplan reporting that Amobi Okoye's agents have said he's been given permission to seek a trade.

Edit to add: Kuharsky says that the Texans are shopping David Anderson.

 
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Okoye might get us something because he is young and still has potential. Anderson is worth about $3.50 on the market as a 4th WR. Its more likely they both get released.

 
'GregR said:
Caplan reporting that Amobi Okoye's agents have said he's been given permission to seek a trade.Edit to add: Kuharsky says that the Texans are shopping David Anderson.
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OMG....who would give the Texans anything for Amobi?Obviously he will be cut if no wants him in a trade. If Rick Smith actually is able totrade Amobi, he should get GM of the year, regardless of what else he does this offseason.
 
John McClain tweet:

The Texans won't be cutting players today. They have to see how much cap room they'll need if they get Asomugha or Joseph or neither.

 
AdamSchefter: Filed to ESPN: Texans reach agreement with former Bengals CB Johnathan Joseph on a five-year deal. Nnamdi to Jets looking more likely.

 
'Nate said:
Awesome stuff. Want to see some money details though.
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Agreed. Seeing as they know what they had in the offer to Nnamdi, hoping this will cost a bit less.Could also be though that they hear/figure Nnamdi is going to the Jets and is using them to up the price so decided to go with Joseph when he was willing to commit.
 
It would be nice if NFLN would actually discuss the Joseph signing as opposed to using it as a way to talk about the Jets some more.

 
'Houston turmOiler said:
I'd be quite happy if we could also land D. Manning to play safety...http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3696/danieal-manning
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I was thinking that with the possible/likely release of Slaton, that Manning might make sense as a cheap safety signing who can also return kickoffs. I've kind of hoped for Sensabaugh at safety since he knows Wade Phillips scheme and can help the rest of the D up the learning curve. But the kick returner thing could be a great reason to go for Manning instead.Incidentally, Scouts Inc rates both players as a 75.
 
The Texans doggedly pursued both of the market's top cornerbacks, and did well to win one of the sweepstakes to shore up what was arguably the league's worst secondary in 2010. Joseph is still in his prime at age 27, has flashed shut-down potential in Cincinnati and has ball skills at least on par with Asomugha's. Coordinator Wade Phillips has turned defenses around quickly in the past, and he just landed a key piece to make it happen in Houston. :excited: Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Jul 28, 8:11 PM

 
Does anyone know if Joseph is comfortable playing both sides of the field?

I thought that could be a downside to Asomugha for the Texans. Given the roster right now, I think they really need a corner that is fine being matched up against the other team's top receiver, wherever he lines up.

 
The Houston Texans are scheduled to meet with free-agent P Daniel Sepulveda (Steelers) Saturday, July 30.

Source: ProFootballWeekly.com - Mike Wilkening

 
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