*** 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[ffldrew]

Cornelius Washington has had an amazing post season. He dominated Justin Pugh at the senior bowl. Now he runs a 4.55 at 6'4" 265. Edit to add: 36 reps on the bench

39" Vert as well - second to Jaime Collins of SoMiss who went 41

 

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Video Link:

Day 3 combine surprises

05:25 – Find out how Missouri linebacker Zaviar Gooden improved his draft stock as Steve Wyche, Akbar Gbajabiamila and Greg Cosell recap Day 3 of the NFL Scouting Combine.

 

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Manti Te'o doesn't impress in 40-yard dash at combineBy Chris Wesseling Around the League Writer

Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o made a great first impression during NFL Scouting Combine interviews over the weekend. One NFL coach went so far as to tell NFL Network's Kimberly Jones that Te'o was a "rock star" during his interview.Te'o will need that goodwill after turning in a disappointing 40-yard dash in linebackers drills Monday in Indianapolis. A stiff Te'o officially clocked in at 4.82 seconds after NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock opined that the linebacker could lock up a first-round draft spot with a 4.70.To put Te'o's run in perspective, recall that 346-pound Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Dontari Poe nearly equaled that time at 4.87 last year. Checking in smaller than expected at 241 pounds, Te'o needed to crack 4.75 to erase doubts about his athleticism and ability to play all three downs. Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh was less than impressed.» Te'o might start falling on draft boards behind LSU's Kevin Minter, who officially was clocked at 4.81 in the 40. Several respected analysts have noted from film-watching that Minter did a much better job of shedding blocks at the line of scrimmage last season.» The star of the linebacker dashes was Missouri's Zaviar Gooden, who carried his sculpted physique to an official fastest time of 4.47. With the NFL moving toward athletic, rangy linebackers capable of covering half of the field, Gooden should be a hot commodity in the 2013 NFL Draft. Coming off a strong Senior Bowl performance, Gooden's stock already was on the rise. Georgia's Cornelius Washington was second-fastest at 4.55, and Florida's Jon Bostic was third at 4.61.» Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree met expectations with a 4.70-second 40. His background check will be more telling than the position drills after a college suspension and a recent DUI arrest.

 

[ffldrew]

I would think that Sio Moore LB from UConn helped himself today - good 40 time, Vert was #3 - 29 on Bench press

 

[Faust]

NFL Scouting Combine: What we learned Monday By Gregg RosenthalAround The League Editor

INDIANAPOLIS -- The first thing you notice is the quiet. The media has packed up and gone home. I spent Monday on the field at Lucas Oil Field, watching the defensive linemen and linebackers working out in a stadium that was no louder than a library.For the last four days, I've mostly learned about the game behind the game in Indianapolis. There have been rumors, on-the-record updates, and potential deals. On Monday, it was more about what happened on the field.» Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o didn't particularly help himself with a slow 40-yard dash time on Monday. He was decent in the drills. But what did people expect? Te'o was never about long speed. His speed clearly topped out after 20 yards. Greg Cosell of NFL Films told me it should have no real impact on Te'o's draft stock. "That's who he is."The consensus: Te'o was a late first round pick all along. He probably will remain there.» Te'o seemed to impress teams off the field. Former Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, now working for NFL Network, called some of the coverage of Te'o "shameful" during a segment on NFL.com/live."I think this whole thing has been absolutely ridiculous. I just heard today now that there are people questioning this poor kid's sexuality. I'm telling you, people should be ashamed of themselves. They should absolutely be ashamed of themselves for what has happened to this kid."» Oregon's Dion Jordan was an absolute freak to see in person. He looks like he could cover Kevin Durant and Aaron Hernandez. A man as big as Jordan should not move like he moves. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah believes that BYU product Ziggy Ansah will not make it out of the top 15. If that's true, Jordan should be a virtual lock for the top 10. Perhaps Jordan can even sneak into the top five.» NFL Network's Mike Mayock said UConn linebacker Sio Moore leveraged a strong East-West Shrine Game and Senior Bowl into a great combine. Moore is moving up draft boards and looks like a second-round pick.» Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore didn't look ready for the combine. He admitted he was disappointed with his performance. Mike Mayock doesn't see Moore as a top-10 type of player.» Some Day 3 standouts: Missouri linebacker Zaviar Gooden, Missouri defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, UCLA defensive end Datone Jones and SMU defensive end Margus Hunt.» I'll be back for the final day at the combine on Tuesday. Cornerbacks and safeties are on tap.

 

[Donnybrook]

@jwyattsportsThe "Honey Badger" did 4 reps in the bench press

 

[loose circuits]

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/burkhead-makes-his-case-at-nfl-combine/article_ffee2eaa-689d-5eea-8547-719ef5eaad99.html

 

[fruity pebbles]

@jwyattsportsThe "Honey Badger" did 4 reps in the bench press

Lol

 

[Donnybrook]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

 

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Matt Barkley gets put on the spot by Steve Mariucci

 

[Faust]

Manti Te'o looks like he's had his fill of the combine

 

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2013 NFL Combine: Obvious winners, losers among LB workouts

 

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2013 NFL Combine: Records set left and right in 40 timesBy Mike Freeman | National NFL Insider

One scout spoke bluntly about the rash of blazing 40-yard dash times at the NFL's scouting combine this past weekend."This was one of the most unbelievable combines I've ever been around," said the scout, with more than a decade of experience. "I would guess that most people in the league have rarely seen anything like it."It's the elite athletes vs. the combine and the combine is getting its ### kicked.This is happening specifically with the speed of the players and the testing in the 40-yard dash. Across the board, at almost every position, players were breaking the sound barrier.It got so remarkable that current NFL players started tweeting about the blazing times.There are numerous examples of the fast speeds, but one of the better ones is Arkansas -Pine Bluff's Terron Armstead, who beat previous combine 40-yard dash record holder Allen Barbre's mark. Armstead is 6-5, 306 pounds and ran the 40 in 4.65 seconds. Think about that for a moment.Another player also broke Barbre's mark. Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson, ran a 4.75. He's a former quarterback that now weighs 303 pounds. Good God.Connecticut defensive end Trevardo Williams is 6-1 and weighs 241 pounds and ran the fastest time for the defensive ends with a 4.57 40. Good God. Again.Marquis Goodwin ran a 4.27 just shy of Chris Johnson's record. Three other players, including Tavon Austin, ran 4.34. There are numerous examples at every position of unbelievable 40 times.The 40 is being turned into a joke.It's not the individual times that are eye-popping. It's the cluster of them that's causing some in the sport to wonder what's going on and asking privately if players are making a mockery of certain parts of the combine.Part of the answer to this question scouts have known for a long time. For the past two decades players have trained specifically for the combine and this allows them to post speedy 40 times.What's different is that the training regimens are even more sophisticated. Add that to how players are getting increasingly athletic and powerful -- some due to the simple evolution of football players themselves, some due to the use of performance enhancing drugs -- and the 40-yard dash is slowly becoming irrelevant.To be clear: This is not to say any of this year's 40 blazers are using PEDs, but the drug factor overall cannot be discounted. The NFL tests for PEDs at the combine, and in the past some have been caught. But theoretically a player could use PEDs in college, where testing is shamtastic, then stop doing so in the weeks and months ahead of the combine, and no one would ever know.There is also the fact the new training regimens are becoming so sophisticated that they can turn almost any player into a blazer.This isn't universal as Manti Te'o ran a pedestrian 4.8 in the 40 on Monday (pedestrian in these times of warp engine propelled runners), but overall the trend continues that players are absolutely obliterating the 40 and will continue to do so.It's only a matter of time before we have someone run it in four seconds flat.

 

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NFP gives thoughts on players who shined Monday at Combine

NFP lets you know which players did not shine at Combine Monday

 

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Manti Te'o disappoints with workout; Ezekiel Ansah electric

 

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Video Links:

What is a team getting in USC quarterback Matt Barkley?

A Scout's Take: NFL Scouting Combine Day 3

 

[Xue]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham Taylor Thompson.

D-lineman at SMU who's never played TE?

 

[gump]

Hello Dee!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Hello Dee!

I think the Lions take him at 5, unless he goes sooner

 

[coolnerd]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

A smarter man might try to add 20 pounds and make him some version of a JJ Watt. He does not need to covering TEs nor trying to catching passes. he fluid for 6'8" guy not fuid to running around down field. Given his kick blocking prowess probably can be taught the time of blocking passes.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

4.31/4.37 for Milliner? Wow!

 

[tdmills]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

He's definitly top 5 after this unless teams get scared by his surgery.

 

[tdmills]

Amerson with a 4.38, yet Patterson ran by him twice in the NC State game.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

 

[tdmills]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

Lock-Elite, it's the same term to me. Does Milliner have a chance? Sure. Lock/Elite, no. No player is a lock, too many busts. Then add in the NFL rules with passing not in his favor, Alabama CB's haven't had a great track record, and he has a shoulder issue. I'll take the under if Elite is his floor.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

Lock-Elite, it's the same term to me. Does Milliner have a chance? Sure. Lock/Elite, no. No player is a lock, too many busts. Then add in the NFL rules with passing not in his favor, Alabama CB's haven't had a great track record, and he has a shoulder issue. I'll take the under if Elite is his floor.

So if he went to a different school he might make a better draft pick?

 

[Banemorth]

I wish they'd do a player breakdown. Click on Floyd and be able to see him go through every drill, click on Ansah and have the same thing, etc. Hell I'd even pay for it.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

 

[tdmills]

I wish they'd do a player breakdown. Click on Floyd and be able to see him go through every drill, click on Ansah and have the same thing, etc. Hell I'd even pay for it.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

I could be wrong but seems to me a lockdown corner is less important now than it used to be. Teams are frequently running 4 receiver sets. So you lock down one guy, still 3 to throw to. Double another, you still have 2 guys. Seemed to be more important when you used to be able to take half the field away.

 

[Concept Coop]

What am I missing with Mike Gillislee? I keep hearing him talked about as a potential top 5 back and future starter. I want to like him, but I don't. I don't see anything special.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What did Desmond Trufant run?

 

[tdmills]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

Milliner isn't catching the ball well. Mathieu is more of a football player than an underwear olympics champion. He has smooth hips and great ball skills. He will be a great slot CB at the next level.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Millnew doesnt seem to have the ball skills as like a Revis or Deion type CB, IMO

 

[IHEARTFF]

That was a pretty cool post workout speech right there.

 

[Two Deep]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

Milliner isn't catching the ball well. Mathieu is more of a football player than an underwear olympics champion. He has smooth hips and great ball skills. He will be a great slot CB at the next level.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

Phew. And here I thought the kid was a bonafide knucklehead. If Deion vouches for his character based off of a quick interview, then I'm sold.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I take it you didn't hear the commentary? Either way, no reason to be a #### about it.

 

[tdmills]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

Milliner isn't catching the ball well. Mathieu is more of a football player than an underwear olympics champion. He has smooth hips and great ball skills. He will be a great slot CB at the next level.

Sorry Manti Teo took over my computer for a minute

 

[Yenrub]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

Lock-Elite, it's the same term to me. Does Milliner have a chance? Sure. Lock/Elite, no. No player is a lock, too many busts. Then add in the NFL rules with passing not in his favor, Alabama CB's haven't had a great track record, and he has a shoulder issue. I'll take the under if Elite is his floor.

So if he went to a different school he might make a better draft pick?

Maybe he thinks that the talent Alabama has had in the front 7 (and there has been a ton lately) makes the DB’s look better than they really are.

 

[Yenrub]

Amerson with a 4.38, yet Patterson ran by him twice in the NC State game.

If no one watches that tape he just made himself a lot of moneyHe did say something to the effect that he was guessing on too many routes trying to break the INT record but that Patterson was the real deal

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I take it you didn't hear the commentary? Either way, no reason to be a #### about it.

Settle down, Beavis. It was a joke. Basically saying that I'm going to base "character" on what I've seen and what I hear directly in interviews from Mathieu, not based on Deion Sanders' say so. Sometimes I forget that I'm in the Shark Pool, where humor goes to die.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

Lock-Elite, it's the same term to me. Does Milliner have a chance? Sure. Lock/Elite, no. No player is a lock, too many busts. Then add in the NFL rules with passing not in his favor, Alabama CB's haven't had a great track record, and he has a shoulder issue. I'll take the under if Elite is his floor.

So if he went to a different school he might make a better draft pick?

Maybe he thinks that the talent Alabama has had in the front 7 (and there has been a ton lately) makes the DB’s look better than they really are.

So downgrade their RBs too since they also have had great OL's?

 

[Donnybrook]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

A smarter man might try to add 20 pounds and make him some version of a JJ Watt. He does not need to covering TEs nor trying to catching passes. he fluid for 6'8" guy not fuid to running around down field. Given his kick blocking prowess probably can be taught the time of blocking passes.

You don't say. What do I have to do bold just kidding for you?And I do get the Jimmy Graham reference since, like Graham, Hunt has limited football experience but his size to speed ratio that is extremely rare.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Steve Williams, CB Cal 4.25 smokin