2013 Official Dallas Cowboys Thread (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

I can understand Dez leaving. The last time he flipped out, he was all over the news. He probably was getting worked up for whatever reason and didn't want every camera trained on him waiting for him to blow up or break down.

He was wrong but he apologized and was trying instead of just reacting. That can be fixed. I'd take his fixable bad judgement along with his passion any day of the week.

how often does he have to apologize for his bad judgment before you start to think he should learn form it? There's an easy answer, show some SELF CONTROL you are not a wild boar in heat you are a grown man and a professional, ACT LIKE IT.

"i didn't want people to see me cry" tough ####, go work at Geek Squad and i am sure they'll let you cry in peace in the back room when you cannot fix some 65 year old woman's facebook issues, you are a highly paid PROFESSIONAL athlete, so act the #### like one you spoiled little brat.

He should have been called on the carpet in the presser, but instead (as always) dallas makes excuses "he is soooooo passionate"

The fact that he acts like a petulant child does not mean he is more passionate or took that loss harder than anyone else on the team, it means his whole life since he first ran with a football people have told him he is special and he can do whatever he wants and it is ok, and Jerry continues to tell him that. He needs to grow up and be a man.

 

[B-Deep]

So now they are saying on NFL live that Romo didn't check out of the play to a pass. That the play call was an option run/pass depending on the look. Romo chose the pass because of the 10 man box. Then, threw late and off his back foot. Garrett is a royal tool hiding behind other peoples mistakes it sounds like. Another gem is that he has total control to change all play calls by the OC if he doesn't like them. Yet he didn't.

as someone else said that play is a symptom

if they had run the ball up to that point then fine, discet the play. But they had not. If the play is a run pass option and the cowboys have shown no desire to run the ball why wouldn't romo take the pass option if it was the read he made?

they entire 2nd half should have been run heavy

 

[Ridgelake]

Stat of the Day:

Dallas is 1-2 when scoring 35 points or more. The 31 other NFL teams are a combined 51-2.

 

[The Man With No Name]

I try my best to not over react to this team. Tonight, I am making the following declaration or promise. If Jason Garrett is the coach for game 1 next year.....then I'm done. I won't post in Cowboys thread until he is gone thereafter.

You know if they win week 16 and 17 he will coach the Cowboys in the playoffs next year (2014)

 

[tonydead]

Cousins outshines Romo next week in Washington leaving Dallas's fate in the hands of Philadelphia. But, Philadelphia can't win either setting up the Division Championship game. Dallas pulls out a win that propels them through the playoffs and a Superbowl win over Denver 27-10.

 

[cobalt_27]

I can understand Dez leaving. The last time he flipped out, he was all over the news. He probably was getting worked up for whatever reason and didn't want every camera trained on him waiting for him to blow up or break down.

He was wrong but he apologized and was trying instead of just reacting. That can be fixed. I'd take his fixable bad judgement along with his passion any day of the week.

how often does he have to apologize for his bad judgment before you start to think he should learn form it? There's an easy answer, show some SELF CONTROL you are not a wild boar in heat you are a grown man and a professional, ACT LIKE IT.

"i didn't want people to see me cry" tough ####, go work at Geek Squad and i am sure they'll let you cry in peace in the back room when you cannot fix some 65 year old woman's facebook issues, you are a highly paid PROFESSIONAL athlete, so act the #### like one you spoiled little brat.

He should have been called on the carpet in the presser, but instead (as always) dallas makes excuses "he is soooooo passionate"

The fact that he acts like a petulant child does not mean he is more passionate or took that loss harder than anyone else on the team, it means his whole life since he first ran with a football people have told him he is special and he can do whatever he wants and it is ok, and Jerry continues to tell him that. He needs to grow up and be a man.

Thank you. Dez can go away for all I care. This whole group is dead to me, and he can go be a bad guy elsewhere. Probably the best trade value in the Blow It Up rebuild.

 

[dhockster]

Cousins outshines Romo next week in Washington leaving Dallas's fate in the hands of Philadelphia. But, Philadelphia can't win either setting up the Division Championship game. Dallas pulls out a win that propels them through the playoffs and a Superbowl win over Denver 27-10.

Are you in a time warp and think it is 1978?

 

[Sweetness_34]

So now they are saying on NFL live that Romo didn't check out of the play to a pass. That the play call was an option run/pass depending on the look. Romo chose the pass because of the 10 man box. Then, threw late and off his back foot. Garrett is a royal tool hiding behind other peoples mistakes it sounds like. Another gem is that he has total control to change all play calls by the OC if he doesn't like them. Yet he didn't.

Garrett said exactly that yesterday and so did Romo. Most teams do this today. Bears do it with Trestman and Cutler too. Depending on the D look, the QB decides whether to back out of a run to a pass and vice versa. Stop making this more than it is. The play change was correct by Romo. He just missed the pass. And I am no Romo fan, trust me. I just cannot stand the ignorance that exists with the NFL fans and the dumb media that does nothing else except make everything worse with their own ignorance.

 

[jurb26]

So now they are saying on NFL live that Romo didn't check out of the play to a pass. That the play call was an option run/pass depending on the look. Romo chose the pass because of the 10 man box. Then, threw late and off his back foot. Garrett is a royal tool hiding behind other peoples mistakes it sounds like. Another gem is that he has total control to change all play calls by the OC if he doesn't like them. Yet he didn't.

Garrett said exactly that yesterday and so did Romo. Most teams do this today. Bears do it with Trestman and Cutler too. Depending on the D look, the QB decides whether to back out of a run to a pass and vice versa. Stop making this more than it is. The play change was correct by Romo. He just missed the pass. And I am no Romo fan, trust me. I just cannot stand the ignorance that exists with the NFL fans and the dumb media that does nothing else except make everything worse with their own ignorance.

It wasn't a play change by Romo. The play called was a run/pass option depending on the defensive alignment. Romo, correctly, picked the pass. Romo changed nothing. Many are blaming the OC for the play calling. That is misleading. Garrett several weeks ago began overseeing all plays called so he could overrule then if if felt the need. He is just as responsible for the awful play calling as the OC.

 

[Bankerguy]

I try my best to not over react to this team. Tonight, I am making the following declaration or promise. If Jason Garrett is the coach for game 1 next year.....then I'm done. I won't post in Cowboys thread until he is gone thereafter.

You know if they win week 16 and 17 he will coach the Cowboys in the playoffs next year (2014)

I promise I will stand by my post. If he's back...I won't post on the Cowboys or game day threads.

 

[Bankerguy]

Gut feeling, but Dallas makes the playoffs and the tone of this thread changes for a week.

I don't think so.At this point, it's sinking in that, until Jerry gives up GM control (or dies), it doesn't matter what happens below him. This team will remain handicapped and it's useless to argue otherwise.

Whether you see the glass as half-full or you're cobalt telling us how it all needs to be blown up, it just doesn't matter. Jerry is the issue and until that is fixed, everything else is window dressing.

Man, I really hate being a Cowboy fan.

That said, at least Jerry is 71 and we don't have Snyder who is only 48.

I have to admit, bankerguy started on the "blow-it-up" mantra long before I joined the bandwagon.

Nobody can credibly look at this team and think we are just a few tweaks from greatness. So, the harm in blowing it up and starting over would be...? While I understand that doesn't guarantee things will be better, either... Isn't everyone sick of this ####### team by now? As a fan, I'd like to see an overhaul in both coaching and personnel. This group has choked away enough wins to make it clear they are a bunch of overpaid lovers.

It is never fun being critical of something you love or being right about your absolute favorite team being broken. The writing for me has been all the wall for a long while. All I can say is that I've seen this movie, and I don't like how it ends. I just hope everyone can see it now and fans help influence Jerry with their $$$$. Stop going to Jerry world.

There are 3 truly sad things right now...

1) We are 3-5 years away from being any good. This is at the earliest.

2) This abortion of a team could still win a division. I truly hope Cousins finishes us off next week. 7-9 for a 8th to 15th pick.

3) Some Cowboy fans are still not sure if 1 or 2 is worse.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gut feeling, but Dallas makes the playoffs and the tone of this thread changes for a week.

I don't think so.At this point, it's sinking in that, until Jerry gives up GM control (or dies), it doesn't matter what happens below him. This team will remain handicapped and it's useless to argue otherwise.

Whether you see the glass as half-full or you're cobalt telling us how it all needs to be blown up, it just doesn't matter. Jerry is the issue and until that is fixed, everything else is window dressing.

Man, I really hate being a Cowboy fan.

That said, at least Jerry is 71 and we don't have Snyder who is only 48.

I have to admit, bankerguy started on the "blow-it-up" mantra long before I joined the bandwagon. Nobody can credibly look at this team and think we are just a few tweaks from greatness. So, the harm in blowing it up and starting over would be...? While I understand that doesn't guarantee things will be better, either... Isn't everyone sick of this ####### team by now? As a fan, I'd like to see an overhaul in both coaching and personnel. This group has choked away enough wins to make it clear they are a bunch of overpaid losers.

It is never fun being critical of something you love or being right about your absolute favorite team being broken. The writing for me has been all the wall for a long while. All I can say is that I've seen this movie, and I don't like how it ends. I just hope everyone can see it now and fans help influence Jerry with their $$$$. Stop going to Jerry world.There are 3 truly sad things right now...

1) We are 3-5 years away from being any good. This is at the earliest.

2) This abortion of a team could still win a division. I truly hope Cousins finishes us off next week. 7-9 for a 8th to 15th pick.

3) Some Cowboy fans are still not sure if 1 or 2 is worse.

Man, if I wrote the words to #2, the simmonjm bat signal would go up, and he'd come in here trashing me and questioning my allegiance to the team and maybe worse.For what it's worth, while I can't bring myself to actively root for a loss, I firmly 100% agree that a loss would be best for this team at this point. So, I will work the next week on resolving that cognitive dissonance so that I can comfortably root for them to lose on Sunday. We'll see if I can get there or not.

 

[Bankerguy]

Gut feeling, but Dallas makes the playoffs and the tone of this thread changes for a week.

I don't think so.At this point, it's sinking in that, until Jerry gives up GM control (or dies), it doesn't matter what happens below him. This team will remain handicapped and it's useless to argue otherwise.

Whether you see the glass as half-full or you're cobalt telling us how it all needs to be blown up, it just doesn't matter. Jerry is the issue and until that is fixed, everything else is window dressing.

Man, I really hate being a Cowboy fan.

That said, at least Jerry is 71 and we don't have Snyder who is only 48.

I have to admit, bankerguy started on the "blow-it-up" mantra long before I joined the bandwagon. Nobody can credibly look at this team and think we are just a few tweaks from greatness. So, the harm in blowing it up and starting over would be...? While I understand that doesn't guarantee things will be better, either... Isn't everyone sick of this ####### team by now? As a fan, I'd like to see an overhaul in both coaching and personnel. This group has choked away enough wins to make it clear they are a bunch of overpaid losers.

It is never fun being critical of something you love or being right about your absolute favorite team being broken. The writing for me has been all the wall for a long while. All I can say is that I've seen this movie, and I don't like how it ends. I just hope everyone can see it now and fans help influence Jerry with their $$$$. Stop going to Jerry world.There are 3 truly sad things right now...

1) We are 3-5 years away from being any good. This is at the earliest.

2) This abortion of a team could still win a division. I truly hope Cousins finishes us off next week. 7-9 for a 8th to 15th pick.

3) Some Cowboy fans are still not sure if 1 or 2 is worse.

Man, if I wrote the words to #2, the simmonjm bat signal would go up, and he'd come in here trashing me and questioning my allegiance to the team and maybe worse.For what it's worth, while I can't bring myself to actively root for a loss, I firmly 100% agree that a loss would be best for this team at this point. So, I will work the next week on resolving that cognitive dissonance so that I can comfortably root for them to lose on Sunday. We'll see if I can get there or not.

Oh I am same...when the game is on...I don't think with clarity. I will root for them once kickoff hits.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I will never root for the Skins over the Cowboys, that will never be good.

I remember watching the Cowboys beat the Skins 13-3 when they went 1-15 in my college dorm room, we had cable in one room in the building and I was in there watching that game by myself. That win was good then and the win next week vs them will be good.

They need a ton of work, but I hope we put it together and crush the Skins.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I will never root for the Skins over the Cowboys, that will never be good.

I remember watching the Cowboys beat the Skins 13-3 when they went 1-15 in my college dorm room, we had cable in one room in the building and I was in there watching that game by myself. That win was good then and the win next week vs them will be good.

They need a ton of work, but I hope we put it together and crush the Skins.

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

I will be at the game.

 

[The Man With No Name]

00:03: The time on the left in the first half when the Packers ran their final play, the aforementioned 34-yard pass to Lacy. It was on that play that Ernie Sims suffered a hip injury - after "starting" MLB Justin Durant had already left the game due to a re-aggravation of his hamstring injury. That meant that the Cowboys would be down to their third MLB on the gameday depth chart, rookie DeVonte Holloman. Given that Durant and Sims were manning the position due to injuries to starter Sean Lee, Holloman was essentially the team's fourth string middle 'backer - and might have been their fifth-stringer had Bruce Carter been healthy enough to move to the middle.

For the final thirty minutes, the Cowboys ran a starting LB corps of Holloman (a sixth-round rookie who has missed much of the season due to injuries), Kyle Wilber (who spent all of training camp and the first ten games of the season as a defensive end) and Cam Lawrence (a try-hard camp body who eked out a spot on the practice squad).

 

[Ridgelake]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

 

[Ridgelake]

BTW, would anyone be upset if I rolled with Kirk Cousins in the final of my main league?

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I will never root for the Skins over the Cowboys, that will never be good.

I remember watching the Cowboys beat the Skins 13-3 when they went 1-15 in my college dorm room, we had cable in one room in the building and I was in there watching that game by myself. That win was good then and the win next week vs them will be good.

They need a ton of work, but I hope we put it together and crush the Skins.

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

I will be at the game.

Ahhh, the good ol days when Cowboys didn't help Redskins get up after a tackle and the Redskins didn't help the Cowboys. While maybe not vile evil scum that should be wiped from the face of the earth, I think most would agree that this world would probably be better off without the Cowboys or their fans. Then again, it might be hard to find someone to cheer us up so much when times are bad...thanks for providing all the smiles and humor during all of the Redskins drama.

 

[dhockster]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

 

[fasteddie_21]

And, this, folks, is why Garrett needs to go, in a nutshell:

Basically, Garrett said when Green Bay started the third quarter with a four-play, 80-yard drive, he figured the Cowboys would need to keep scoring points, so he wanted to be aggressive on offense.

"They continued to move the football, so for us to sit back and say we're going to take a knee would not have been the right approach," Garrett said. "We had to continue to drive the football the best way we know how to do it and score points on the other end."

So lemme get this straight...running the ball at over 7 YPC is taking a knee now?!?

#### off, Baby Carrot!

 

[dhockster]

And, this, folks, is why Garrett needs to go, in a nutshell:

Basically, Garrett said when Green Bay started the third quarter with a four-play, 80-yard drive, he figured the Cowboys would need to keep scoring points, so he wanted to be aggressive on offense.

"They continued to move the football, so for us to sit back and say we're going to take a knee would not have been the right approach," Garrett said. "We had to continue to drive the football the best way we know how to do it and score points on the other end."

So lemme get this straight...running the ball at over 7 YPC is taking a knee now?!?

#### off, Baby Carrot!

In addition to that, I am amazed at his lack of frustration, anger, or any emotion resulting from the game on Sunday. Robots do not tend to motivate people.

 

[fatness]

I try my best to not over react to this team. Tonight, I am making the following declaration or promise. If Jason Garrett is the coach for game 1 next year.....then I'm done. I won't post in Cowboys thread until he is gone thereafter.

You know if they win week 16 and 17 he will coach the Cowboys in the playoffs next year (2014)

I promise I will stand by my post. If he's back...I won't post on the Cowboys or game day threads.

You can still hang out in the Redskins thread if you want to. We don't have much football to talk about there; just soap operas.

 

[fatness]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

 

[Ridgelake]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

He's shed a lot of contracts, but obviously has many more to go. Off the top of my head, he's overseen:

Ratliff, Newman, Sensabaugh, Free, another safety, Kosier, and another CB.

There's a long way to go still, but they are making some progress. Next year should be the worse.

 

[dhockster]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

He's shed a lot of contracts, but obviously has many more to go. Off the top of my head, he's overseen:

Ratliff, Newman, Sensabaugh, Free, another safety, Kosier, and another CB.

There's a long way to go still, but they are making some progress. Next year should be the worse.

Okay, I'm with you. Unfortunately Free is still overpaid and Ratliff has $6 million in dead money against next year's cap.

I kind of agree with Bankerguy and Cobalt that they just need to bite the bullet now instead of prolonging mediocrity into the future.

It's a different sport but look at the Houston Astros. They tried to stay relevent for too long after 2005 after their core was too old to compete for championships. Thus they had no young players in their system, when they finally got rid of their older players. The sooner a team realizes they need to turn over their roster the better.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

Speaking of which...... Going to the game , Pocahontas?

 

[Bankerguy]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

I kinda like the Redskins crew here. They are better then most of the Eagles and Giants fans (with a couple exceptions).

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

I kinda like the Redskins crew here. They are better then most of the Eagles and Giants fans (with a couple exceptions).

LOL, thanks! I kinda like a cold better than the flu, but still want neither when it comes down to it. Hehehe...

 

[Bankerguy]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

I kinda like the Redskins crew here. They are better then most of the Eagles and Giants fans (with a couple exceptions).

LOL, thanks! I kinda like a cold better than the flu, but still want neither when it comes down to it. Hehehe...

I just find you guys love your team just like we do....and it's not personal. Mutual respect over the years. I remember the Sean Taylor day...it was Cowboys fans being classy that day and sending out our thoughts. You guys are pretty level headed and would do the same for us.

I dislike your team immensly but I have no problem with the fanbase at FBG's. Extremeskins...a little different, some bad eggs over there.

 

[Paulymaggs]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

He's shed a lot of contracts, but obviously has many more to go. Off the top of my head, he's overseen:

Ratliff, Newman, Sensabaugh, Free, another safety, Kosier, and another CB.

There's a long way to go still, but they are making some progress. Next year should be the worse.

He cut old, overpaid mediocrity and replaced them with young mediocrity. What is so impressive about that?

And as far as I can tell, guys like Newman, Ratliff, etc can still play. But of course near worthless offensive players like Austin, Witten stay.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Cousins outshines Romo next week in Washington leaving Dallas's fate in the hands of Philadelphia. But, Philadelphia can't win either setting up the Division Championship game. Dallas pulls out a win that propels them through the playoffs and a Superbowl win over Denver 27-10.

 

[Bankerguy]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

He's shed a lot of contracts, but obviously has many more to go. Off the top of my head, he's overseen:

Ratliff, Newman, Sensabaugh, Free, another safety, Kosier, and another CB.

There's a long way to go still, but they are making some progress. Next year should be the worse.

He cut old, overpaid mediocrity and replaced them with young mediocrity. What is so impressive about that?

And as far as I can tell, guys like Newman, Ratliff, etc can still play. But of course near worthless offensive players like Austin, Witten stay.

I agree Witten can be let go....but worthless....come on.

 

[Bankerguy]

I just re-read the 26 page thread. Interesting seeing where I was right and wrong about various topics as time went on. I encourage all of our regulars to do it.

 

[fatness]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

I kinda like the Redskins crew here. They are better then most of the Eagles and Giants fans (with a couple exceptions).

And I like the Cowboys people here (even steadymobbin). The 2 teams have something in common -- bad owners, and fans who live in near-constant torment. Jones will never back off from screwing up the Cowboys, and Snyder finally backed off on meddling with the Skins and hired an incompetent control freak to run them. God help us.

I won't be at the game Sunday. I have very young family members coming for the weekend who I rarely get to see, it's near Christmas, and there's nothing I put before kids and Christmas. I'll probably try to watch at home wearing my dual shirt -- it says Cowboys Suck on the front and Redskins Suck on the back.

Why don't you guys fire Garrett and hire Shanahan. Please. I'm begging.

 

[Manster]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

I am not sure what you mean by the bolded above. According to Over-the-cap.com, The Cowboys are already about $20 million above the projected cap for next year. The cap is projected to be about $127 million and the Cowboys have about $136 million in active player contracts and about $11 million in Dead money for next year. They are taking a cap hit of about $8 million each for Jason Witten and Miles Austin and $6 million each for Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Now I like Witten but $8 million for an aging tight end is just too much. The other 3 are severely overpaid for the production you are getting out of them. The problem is if you said let's start over and cut all four of them, you would actually take a $5 hit too the salary cap to not have them play for you. Instead of $28 million hitting the cap with them playing, you would have $33 million in dead money hitting the cap if you cut them.

The only veteran you could cut which would save significant money against the cap would be Demarcus Ware, which would save about $7.5 million against the cap.

Tony Romo is uncuttable next year. his cap number is $22 million, but if you cup him, $42 million in Dead money.

The Cowboys are pretty much stuck with the same team next year, or a bunch of UFA players playing for league minimum. The only way to free up cap space is to restucture more veteran contracts which just extends the Cowboys cap problems further into the future. And most veterans have already had that done and already have more dead money than their current cap hit. Restructuring contracts just means you have to keep those veterans longer, or you take a bigger hit when you cut them.

He's shed a lot of contracts, but obviously has many more to go. Off the top of my head, he's overseen:

Ratliff, Newman, Sensabaugh, Free, another safety, Kosier, and another CB.

There's a long way to go still, but they are making some progress. Next year should be the worse.

He cut old, overpaid mediocrity and replaced them with young mediocrity. What is so impressive about that?

And as far as I can tell, guys like Newman, Ratliff, etc can still play. But of course near worthless offensive players like Austin, Witten stay.

I agree Witten can be let go....but worthless....come on.

Witten, near worthless!? Wow, what have you been smokin?

Austin needs to go. But Witten, Im not so sure about. Partly sentimental for me, and partly because he's by far our best TE. He's still a solid offensive threat, and continues to make key blocks in the run game. And, he's a veteran leader. And he's tougher than ####!

I get that this is a business, but I'd hate to see the Senator in another teams' uni....

 

[BigDave]

Jerry is in a pickle. He can't fire Garrett and the gang unless he has a good alternative to market to all the folks still buying tickets.

He needs to sell the hope that next year will be better. He can't make a splash because of the cap issues, so getting a big free agent isn't going to happen.

What's left? Fire Garrett if he can get a Gruden or someone on that caliber. Not sure anyone wants to deal with Jerry. SO, IMO we are stuck with mediocrity again next year.

I still think the worst thing that has happened to the Boys is that Jerry thinks any team that limps into the playoffs can go on a run and win it all. He thinks that he just needs to get to the dance like the Giants did and go on a run. I just don't see that ever happening in Dallas for many years. Even if we get in, we are going to get crushed by many other solid teams. We are just not even close to the level of several teams that will make it this year. SAD.

 

[cobalt_27]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

Hmm. I don't think there's one thing here that I agree with. For one, Garrett should get a pass for our awful draft history and even worse cap management situation because he has virtually no say in any of this. That's all the Stephen and Jerry Show. Garrett's involvement in those decisions is no more influential than yours or mine. But, again, this is a good thing for Garrett that he not be associated with these things. Leave aside the comedic disaster from this year's draft, name a single pro bowler from any of the Garrett-era drafts. Then explain to me how being $30+ million over the cap for 2014 is evidence of being prudent with the cap and good management?

Again, I put none of this on Garrett. These are things for which he should get no blame. He is not in any way shape or form a pseudo-GM. So, on that level, I'm not sure where on earth you come up with this in thinking his input is worth even .02 cents to the real GM and his son. Regardless, to think the Cowboys' draft history and cap management abilities are shining examples of success really just seems bizarre.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Absolutely. I will never root for the Skins to win anything, ever. They and their fans are vile evil scum and should be wiped from the face of the earth.

If you'd control your sexual advances towards us, you'd get treated better.

I kinda like the Redskins crew here. They are better then most of the Eagles and Giants fans (with a couple exceptions).

LOL, thanks! I kinda like a cold better than the flu, but still want neither when it comes down to it. Hehehe...

I just find you guys love your team just like we do....and it's not personal. Mutual respect over the years. I remember the Sean Taylor day...it was Cowboys fans being classy that day and sending out our thoughts. You guys are pretty level headed and would do the same for us.

I dislike your team immensly but I have no problem with the fanbase at FBG's. Extremeskins...a little different, some bad eggs over there.

Agree, even thought I changed my handle a few years ago, I always enjoyed the banter over the long years before that since I've been here. For the most part both sets of fans have been respectful to each other without having to diminish their stance (love of their team). You surely have been a class act leading the way for most of that. It's too bad that two mega franchises that led the way for the 80's through the 90's are known now more for their loses opposed to their wins.

 

[Ridgelake]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

Hmm. I don't think there's one thing here that I agree with. For one, Garrett should get a pass for our awful draft history and even worse cap management situation because he has virtually no say in any of this. That's all the Stephen and Jerry Show. Garrett's involvement in those decisions is no more influential than yours or mine. But, again, this is a good thing for Garrett that he not be associated with these things. Leave aside the comedic disaster from this year's draft, name a single pro bowler from any of the Garrett-era drafts. Then explain to me how being $30+ million over the cap for 2014 is evidence of being prudent with the cap and good management?

Again, I put none of this on Garrett. These are things for which he should get no blame. He is not in any way shape or form a pseudo-GM. So, on that level, I'm not sure where on earth you come up with this in thinking his input is worth even .02 cents to the real GM and his son. Regardless, to think the Cowboys' draft history and cap management abilities are shining examples of success really just seems bizarre.

Regarding his draft influence, I base my assertions on watching the draft. That includes the Warroom cam. The multiple interviews wherein the powers that be describe how choices went down. Its very clear from these things that Garrett has strong influence.

I think the cap situation would be worse without Garrett's influence. Its bad next year, but I think it turns a corner. But the basis of my position on the matter is that its appears that Garrett wants to get away from high price vets and build with youth. Turn over the roster. With RKGs.

But whatever. This team is deep in the hole in both depth of talent and salary cap. I believe that Garrett has made progress on fixing those issues and helped mitigate some of Jerry's impulsiveness. He's set a direction, good or bad. But its a direction and a plan. That's a big improvement over Jerry's vacillating ways. . You obviously disagree with that.

 

[Bankerguy]

One thing to consider with the Fire-Garrett crowd: Jason has done a decent job in my mind in being a pseudo-GM for the team. He has help shed a lot of bad contracts. He has improved the drafting. They do have a reasonable young nucleus to build around. And more importantly, he has been able to mitigate some of Jerry impulsiveness, at least in terms of contracts and player acquisitions. They have clearly had a much more directed player acquisition focus under Garrett.

If you fire Garrett, someone obviously has to come in. Can that person limit Jerry's impulsiveness? Can that person continue the positive direction of shedding bad contracts and adding quality young players? Does the new person set a different direction and thus set this team further back as position profiles change? It is a TOTAL crapshoot if someone new comes in.

It is clear that Jason really struggles with game management issues. It has cost the team several wins. But I do wonder how many wins a "new direction" would cost the team. It is far from clear cut in my mind that the organization would be better off going in an unknown direction.

Hmm. I don't think there's one thing here that I agree with. For one, Garrett should get a pass for our awful draft history and even worse cap management situation because he has virtually no say in any of this. That's all the Stephen and Jerry Show. Garrett's involvement in those decisions is no more influential than yours or mine. But, again, this is a good thing for Garrett that he not be associated with these things. Leave aside the comedic disaster from this year's draft, name a single pro bowler from any of the Garrett-era drafts. Then explain to me how being $30+ million over the cap for 2014 is evidence of being prudent with the cap and good management?

Again, I put none of this on Garrett. These are things for which he should get no blame. He is not in any way shape or form a pseudo-GM. So, on that level, I'm not sure where on earth you come up with this in thinking his input is worth even .02 cents to the real GM and his son. Regardless, to think the Cowboys' draft history and cap management abilities are shining examples of success really just seems bizarre.

Regarding his draft influence, I base my assertions on watching the draft. That includes the Warroom cam. The multiple interviews wherein the powers that be describe how choices went down. Its very clear from these things that Garrett has strong influence.

I think the cap situation would be worse without Garrett's influence. Its bad next year, but I think it turns a corner. But the basis of my position on the matter is that its appears that Garrett wants to get away from high price vets and build with youth. Turn over the roster. With RKGs.

But whatever. This team is deep in the hole in both depth of talent and salary cap. I believe that Garrett has made progress on fixing those issues and helped mitigate some of Jerry's impulsiveness. He's set a direction, good or bad. But its a direction and a plan. That's a big improvement over Jerry's vacillating ways. . You obviously disagree with that.

I'm trying to get what you are saying Ridge, but struggling. Can you give examples?

Garrett was visibly upset in the war room when we traded out of pick last year. So much so that him and Ciskowski both had to get up and leave. I certainly think Garrett has a voice at the table and asks for what he wants. I don't believe that he has a huge influence aside from the RKG approach and how a player would fit his system.

Not sure the cap would be much different as we have made some poor choices on contracts, not so much who we have cut. To be honest most of the cuts were made on financial reasons and not football reasons. This is just my opinion, I can't prove that.

What is obvious, is the lack of control of his team on the Football field. Poor game management in all aspects. No passion, no emotion, nothing. Great speeches about a process, stacking good practices on good practices, cliche after cliche. He refuses to run the ball despite the signs of a cohesive OL and a back who when healthy gets the job done.

As much as I am down on Romo as well, I'd like to see what he does under another system other then Garrett's.

Lastly, the new coach (If Garrett is set free) has to be one that can work well in the confines of how we operate, cause Jerry isn't going anywhere. It's going to have to be one of Jerry's buddies like a Holmgren, or a young innovative College guy who Jerry can keep under his thumb so to speak. We won't be seeing Cower, Parcells or Jimmy Johnson types anytime soon. Maybe Gruden might be a good fit with the whole Al Davis experience.

 

[DreamTheater]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Um - no thanks on getting rid of Witten. He's a TE - if we can pay all these bums we can keep Witten til he hangs em up.

 

[Bankerguy]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

 

[dhockster]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

I agree with your sentiment, but Witten costs $8.4 million against the cap in '14, and he has $8.6 million in dead money if he is cut. So unless he is hindering the development of a younger TE by playing it probably makes sense, in this instance, to keep Witten for 2014.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

One of the very few things I have always admired about Jerry is keeping the true Cowboys. You seem to want to cut the only guys who have been ballers over the years. I can understand if it's to bring in better guys but that's not what we're doing. You seem to want to cut them just to cut them.

 

[cobalt_27]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

One of the very few things I have always admired about Jerry is keeping the true Cowboys. You seem to want to cut the only guys who have been ballers over the years. I can understand if it's to bring in better guys but that's not what we're doing. You seem to want to cut them just to cut them.

I don't think it's arbitrary. Cut players now to make the team better long term.

 

[jkruppe]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

One of the very few things I have always admired about Jerry is keeping the true Cowboys. You seem to want to cut the only guys who have been ballers over the years. I can understand if it's to bring in better guys but that's not what we're doing. You seem to want to cut them just to cut them.

I don't think it's arbitrary. Cut players now to make the team better long term.

You guys are talking like these kinds of players grow on trees. How'd the last 2 TE's we drafted work out so far? Any replacements for Witten yet? You build around your core.

That's why some folks disagree with the blow up idea. We have a solid core to build around on both sides of the ball, right now. What about the current management gives you the confidence to think if they did "blow things up" they'd replace our roster with championship caliber players?

 

[DreamTheater]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

Fair enough, but who is his replacement ??? Escobar not ready for prime time yet. Also, not like he has a 5 year contract still hanging over the team's head.

 

[Bankerguy]

I know its been said many times before, but I would be content with cutting a lot of the dead weight, taking that hit and sucking next year. Get high draft picks and do some rebuilding. We really need someone who can evaluate talent going into the draft..It all starts there.

Regardless of his cap number, I don't think you can cut Witten. Been a solid Cowboy. Never an issue on or off the field. And if you look around the league at the talent at the position, I would say he is still a top 10 TE.

This is mistake we continue to make over and over. We can and should cut him, it's not because he can't play anymore. It's becasue the value he provides is not equal to what we are paying him. We can save cap dollars that can be allocated to better resources that will help the club in the long term. We are not winning anything right now with this team.

I agree with your sentiment, but Witten costs $8.4 million against the cap in '14, and he has $8.6 million in dead money if he is cut. So unless he is hindering the development of a younger TE by playing it probably makes sense, in this instance, to keep Witten for 2014.

Fair enough. I had a different number and I thought it saved us cap $$$. Not that I don't trust your numbers, but I want to go double check mine.