2013 Official Dallas Cowboys Thread (1 Viewer)

[Ridgelake]

I feel sorry for Ware, Witten, Romo, and Hatcher. Those guys deserve better. Those long time warriors have given everything they've had to make the team successful. Played hurt. Done everything in their power to win. Acted with class. But they fell short. Again. Brutal.

 

[Terpman22]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

Not here to gloat, just reading. But I think re: bolded it's pretty simple: He is a former QB. He just loves to throw the ball.

 

[dhockster]

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

I think he more resembles a fat little gnome, or even a hobbit, if you will. Although he is probably not hairy enough to be a hobbit.

 

[humpback]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

 

[DreamTheater]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

GB game absolutely worse. Murray was getting 7 yards at a clip in that game. There were at least times last night where Philly stopped the run. GB couldn't.

Still waiting and hoping to see somewhere that JG is relieved of his duties..please....

 

[Manster]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

Okay, thanks for picking apart my post. Look, Im not gonna split hairs here. I watch every Cowboys game, I know whats happening. If you read my entire post, you'd see that my reasoning for it being the worst has more to do with having a backup QB playing who hasnt played since 2011. Actually, if you want the ABSOLUTE "worst" example, its got to be the legendary collapse against the lions in 2011. We were up 27-3 in the 3rd, and kept throwin the ball around. It was disgraceful.

 

[ROCKET]

Long live Jerry.

 

[Bankerguy]

It's been a tough year personally. Wife just ended my 13 year marriage. Put up with her #### and the Cowboys ####. Glad all of it's over. 2014 will be better.

Sorry to hear that, Bankerguy.

If Garrett stays, which I think he will, do not take a leave of absence. You'll be a Dallas fan long after he is gone. He's taken away a division title from us this year, don't let him take away posting here on FBG, which is really an outlet for us all. If we didn't have this forum, I'd have to hire an expensive shrink and I don't want to go and do that!

Sorry everyone, that was the Crown Royal talking. Thanks to all for the kind words.

 

[humpback]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

Okay, thanks for picking apart my post. Look, Im not gonna split hairs here. I watch every Cowboys game, I know whats happening. If you read my entire post, you'd see that my reasoning for it being the worst has more to do with having a backup QB playing who hasnt played since 2011. Actually, if you want the ABSOLUTE "worst" example, its got to be the legendary collapse against the lions in 2011. We were up 27-3 in the 3rd, and kept throwin the ball around. It was disgraceful.

I read your entire post and saw your reasoning, it doesn't matter- it's absurd to think this game was worse than the GB game in terms of going away from the run. Not even in the same ballpark.

I get it- Garrett stinks, the loss stings, etc. That doesn't mean the playcalling in this game was some travesty of epic proportions (you could certainly make that argument in other games, like GB).

 

[simmonjm]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January. I really hope Kiffin is relieved of duties though and draft is defensive focused.

 

[cobalt_27]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January.

You and Jerry are certainly on the same page here.

Another year of mediocrity in 2014. If that. And, so the delusion continues.

 

[Ridgelake]

I've read that they are talking to Kiffen about retiring and maybe becoming a consultant. Elevate Marinelli to DC. I've also read that Callahan may be moving on. While he was bad as an OC, I thought the OL improvement was noticeable.

 

[Manster]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

Okay, thanks for picking apart my post. Look, Im not gonna split hairs here. I watch every Cowboys game, I know whats happening. If you read my entire post, you'd see that my reasoning for it being the worst has more to do with having a backup QB playing who hasnt played since 2011. Actually, if you want the ABSOLUTE "worst" example, its got to be the legendary collapse against the lions in 2011. We were up 27-3 in the 3rd, and kept throwin the ball around. It was disgraceful.

I read your entire post and saw your reasoning, it doesn't matter- it's absurd to think this game was worse than the GB game in terms of going away from the run. Not even in the same ballpark.

I get it- Garrett stinks, the loss stings, etc. That doesn't mean the playcalling in this game was some travesty of epic proportions (you could certainly make that argument in other games, like GB).

Um, ok. You seem really intent on making me feel stupid for what I posted. You go girl!

Look, I dont care how you feel about it. And no one cares how I feel about it. Murray should have more carries for 2013. And the Cowboys should have more wins. But it didnt happen. The current Cowboys dont know how to win. It starts at the GM and trickles down to the players. We are a perpetual .500 team. Going away from the run is just a part of the big picture of what's wrong.

I'm done with this. I dont care about the the GB game, or Orton chuckin the ball all over the place. Its over, and I'm done with you. Go pick apart someone else. I'm sure you will, cuz you're so much smarter than everyone else, with your cutting edge analysis. Peace out.

 

[dhockster]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January. I really hope Kiffin is relieved of duties though and draft is defensive focused.

I continue to be impressed with your optimism about the Cowboys (no sarcasm, I really mean that). If you are that optimistic about life overall than you are a very happy man.

A couple things to consider when looking at Garrett's record over the last 3 years:

Point #1: The Cowboys played to get into the playoffs on the last day of the season the last 3 years against NFC East teams who were also playing to get into the playoffs. These were, basically, playoff games. The Cowboys lost all 3. So that may give you some indication of how Garrett coaches in big games.

Point #2: If the Cowboys had won all 3 of those games, The Cowboys would have won the division at 9-7 all three years. No team in the division would have won double digit games in the last 3 years. So the Cowboys have had a pretty weak division to play in under Garrett and yet they still have only finished 8-8.

Point #3: 20 of the leagues 32 teams have won at least 10 games in one of the last 3 seasons. The Cowboys are one of 12 teams not to have won double digit games the last 3 years.

Point #4: Have the Cowboys left games on the table under Garrett? i.e. have they lost games they should have won due to coaching decisions? Conversely, have they won games they should have lost due to coaching decisions? I think you could point to 1 or 2 games in each of the last 3 years that the Cowboys should have won that they didn't due to coaching. I am not so sure about the games they won that they should have lost but for great coaching decisions. You follow the team more closely so I will take your word if you say there have been some of those.

Just some points to consider about Garrett. My overall impression of him is that he is a coordinator who should not be a head coach (a la Kubiak, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips). When I watch Garrett I never get the sense that he is connecting with anyone else on the sideline, either coaches or players. He looks like he's watching the game as a fan like I do. He gets a happy face when they do well, and a frustrated face when they don't do well. I get no sense that he is leading the team. That of course, is just anecdotal, and not really an argument against him

 

[humpback]

5 rushes in the 3rd Quarter and ZERO in the 4th Quarter.

Haven't seen many Cowboys games until the last month or so - vs. Chicago, GB, and now Philly, never seen a team that runs the ball so well that suddenly just stops giving the ball to the RB. It's baffling.

This is what we deal with on a weekly basis. Its incredible. I think something snaps in carrot's brain during games. He feels an urge to cover big chunks of yardage or something. Meanwhile you've got a very capable RB in Murray, and an O-line who has recently been run blocking very well. Last night was prolly the worst example of going away from the run, since Orton hasnt played since '11. Isnt that like the blueprint for running the ball to take pressure off your QB?

The thing that pisses me off most, is the team, especially the D, played their hearts out last night, and put the Cowboys in a position to win. I was impressed with Holloman in the middle. Hatcher, Selvie, Hayden played their asses off! Ware still cant get to the QB, but made plays. As a unit, these guys wanted this game.

Orton made some plays. But he was rusty, as you would expect a guy to be who hasnt played since '11. A lot of balls behind receivers. Deep balls off target...........back to the predictable playcalling in the second half. Chuck it around, makes total sense! WHY THE HELL WOULDNT YOU COME OUT AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE LOS?!! POUND THE DAM ROCK!!!

We had those dirty eagles, and their fat little troll of a head coach, dammit!

You seriously think last night was the worst example of going away from the run? Worse than against GB? Oof.

Okay, thanks for picking apart my post. Look, Im not gonna split hairs here. I watch every Cowboys game, I know whats happening. If you read my entire post, you'd see that my reasoning for it being the worst has more to do with having a backup QB playing who hasnt played since 2011. Actually, if you want the ABSOLUTE "worst" example, its got to be the legendary collapse against the lions in 2011. We were up 27-3 in the 3rd, and kept throwin the ball around. It was disgraceful.

I read your entire post and saw your reasoning, it doesn't matter- it's absurd to think this game was worse than the GB game in terms of going away from the run. Not even in the same ballpark.

I get it- Garrett stinks, the loss stings, etc. That doesn't mean the playcalling in this game was some travesty of epic proportions (you could certainly make that argument in other games, like GB).

Um, ok. You seem really intent on making me feel stupid for what I posted. You go girl!

Look, I dont care how you feel about it. And no one cares how I feel about it. Murray should have more carries for 2013. And the Cowboys should have more wins. But it didnt happen. The current Cowboys dont know how to win. It starts at the GM and trickles down to the players. We are a perpetual .500 team. Going away from the run is just a part of the big picture of what's wrong.

I'm done with this. I dont care about the the GB game, or Orton chuckin the ball all over the place. Its over, and I'm done with you. Go pick apart someone else. I'm sure you will, cuz you're so much smarter than everyone else, with your cutting edge analysis. Peace out.

Yeah, that's not what I'm doing. It's more pointing out that people are projecting the bad play calling in other games onto this one. Kind of how you're projecting your own condescending posts onto mine.

You go girl!

 

[Ridgelake]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January. I really hope Kiffin is relieved of duties though and draft is defensive focused.

I continue to be impressed with your optimism about the Cowboys (no sarcasm, I really mean that). If you are that optimistic about life overall than you are a very happy man.

A couple things to consider when looking at Garrett's record over the last 3 years:

Point #1: The Cowboys played to get into the playoffs on the last day of the season the last 3 years against NFC East teams who were also playing to get into the playoffs. These were, basically, playoff games. The Cowboys lost all 3. So that may give you some indication of how Garrett coaches in big games.

Point #2: If the Cowboys had won all 3 of those games, The Cowboys would have won the division at 9-7 all three years. No team in the division would have won double digit games in the last 3 years. So the Cowboys have had a pretty weak division to play in under Garrett and yet they still have only finished 8-8.

Point #3: 20 of the leagues 32 teams have won at least 10 games in one of the last 3 seasons. The Cowboys are one of 12 teams not to have won double digit games the last 3 years.

Point #4: Have the Cowboys left games on the table under Garrett? i.e. have they lost games they should have won due to coaching decisions? Conversely, have they won games they should have lost due to coaching decisions? I think you could point to 1 or 2 games in each of the last 3 years that the Cowboys should have won that they didn't due to coaching. I am not so sure about the games they won that they should have lost but for great coaching decisions. You follow the team more closely so I will take your word if you say there have been some of those.

Just some points to consider about Garrett. My overall impression of him is that he is a coordinator who should not be a head coach (a la Kubiak, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips). When I watch Garrett I never get the sense that he is connecting with anyone else on the sideline, either coaches or players. He looks like he's watching the game as a fan like I do. He gets a happy face when they do well, and a frustrated face when they don't do well. I get no sense that he is leading the team. That of course, is just anecdotal, and not really an argument against him

I am probably in the minority on Garrett. But I see pros and cons.

Pros: 1) The team has fought hard under his watch. Previous teams would give up. There is no give up on his team. 2) He definitely has a long term goal and plan in mind for the organization. And he has Jerry's ear. He is one of the few people that can moderate Jerry's impulsiveness. (Not control, moderate). 3) stupid penalties have improved significantly under his watch.

Cons: 1) His game management has cost the team several wins. One would hope this improves with experience. But it hasn't yet. 2) There are elements of his offensive scheme that leave things to be desired. They were horrible on 3rd down, particularly 3rd and long when teams blitz. On the pro side, the team improved significantly in the redzone under Romo this season.

I could go into a lot more details. But the bottom line is that there are plusses and minuses, like most coaches. He wants (and so does Jerry I believe) to become the next Landry. Landry was never the warm fuzzy guy, bonding on the sideline either. But he set the organizational direction and put people in positions to succeed. Garrett unquestionably needs to improve his game management. He apparently has at least 1 more year to get it together.

And this is where I am in the minority with my fellow Cowboy homers on this board, I am glad that he has the chance to make that improvement. I do think he can improve and has as good a chance as any to lead this team in the right direction as long as Jerry is in charge. What I am saying is that so long as Jerry is around, I doubt anyone will do a materially better job as coach. And changing is likely going to make matters worse.

 

[BigDave]

2 suggestions at coaching positions:

1. Marinelli to DC (Kiffen fired or retired)

2. Hire a better OC(not impressed with Callahan's play calling)

What about Kubiak if he would take a step down after his stint at HC?

In 11 seasons (1995–2005) as the team's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, Kubiak helped lead Denver to two Super Bowl titles. In his 11 seasons with the team, the Broncos amassed 66,501 total yards and 465 touchdowns, the most in the NFL during that span. He coached 14 different Broncos that made the Pro Bowl, including running back Terrell Davis, who was named the NFL MVP in 1998.

Sure, he had a bad year this year, but finished 1st two years in a row prior.

 

[dhockster]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January. I really hope Kiffin is relieved of duties though and draft is defensive focused.

I continue to be impressed with your optimism about the Cowboys (no sarcasm, I really mean that). If you are that optimistic about life overall than you are a very happy man.

A couple things to consider when looking at Garrett's record over the last 3 years:

Point #1: The Cowboys played to get into the playoffs on the last day of the season the last 3 years against NFC East teams who were also playing to get into the playoffs. These were, basically, playoff games. The Cowboys lost all 3. So that may give you some indication of how Garrett coaches in big games.

Point #2: If the Cowboys had won all 3 of those games, The Cowboys would have won the division at 9-7 all three years. No team in the division would have won double digit games in the last 3 years. So the Cowboys have had a pretty weak division to play in under Garrett and yet they still have only finished 8-8.

Point #3: 20 of the leagues 32 teams have won at least 10 games in one of the last 3 seasons. The Cowboys are one of 12 teams not to have won double digit games the last 3 years.

Point #4: Have the Cowboys left games on the table under Garrett? i.e. have they lost games they should have won due to coaching decisions? Conversely, have they won games they should have lost due to coaching decisions? I think you could point to 1 or 2 games in each of the last 3 years that the Cowboys should have won that they didn't due to coaching. I am not so sure about the games they won that they should have lost but for great coaching decisions. You follow the team more closely so I will take your word if you say there have been some of those.

Just some points to consider about Garrett. My overall impression of him is that he is a coordinator who should not be a head coach (a la Kubiak, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips). When I watch Garrett I never get the sense that he is connecting with anyone else on the sideline, either coaches or players. He looks like he's watching the game as a fan like I do. He gets a happy face when they do well, and a frustrated face when they don't do well. I get no sense that he is leading the team. That of course, is just anecdotal, and not really an argument against him

I am probably in the minority on Garrett. But I see pros and cons.

Pros: 1) The team has fought hard under his watch. Previous teams would give up. There is no give up on his team. 2) He definitely has a long term goal and plan in mind for the organization. And he has Jerry's ear. He is one of the few people that can moderate Jerry's impulsiveness. (Not control, moderate). 3) stupid penalties have improved significantly under his watch.

Cons: 1) His game management has cost the team several wins. One would hope this improves with experience. But it hasn't yet. 2) There are elements of his offensive scheme that leave things to be desired. They were horrible on 3rd down, particularly 3rd and long when teams blitz. On the pro side, the team improved significantly in the redzone under Romo this season.

I could go into a lot more details. But the bottom line is that there are plusses and minuses, like most coaches. He wants (and so does Jerry I believe) to become the next Landry. Landry was never the warm fuzzy guy, bonding on the sideline either. But he set the organizational direction and put people in positions to succeed. Garrett unquestionably needs to improve his game management. He apparently has at least 1 more year to get it together.

And this is where I am in the minority with my fellow Cowboy homers on this board, I am glad that he has the chance to make that improvement. I do think he can improve and has as good a chance as any to lead this team in the right direction as long as Jerry is in charge. What I am saying is that so long as Jerry is around, I doubt anyone will do a materially better job as coach. And changing is likely going to make matters worse.

Good points. You are exactly right that any coach for the Cowboys is somewhat hamstrung by having Jerry Jones as the Owner/GM.

 

[dhockster]

2 suggestions at coaching positions:

1. Marinelli to DC (Kiffen fired or retired)

2. Hire a better OC(not impressed with Callahan's play calling)

What about Kubiak if he would take a step down after his stint at HC?

In 11 seasons (1995–2005) as the team's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, Kubiak helped lead Denver to two Super Bowl titles. In his 11 seasons with the team, the Broncos amassed 66,501 total yards and 465 touchdowns, the most in the NFL during that span. He coached 14 different Broncos that made the Pro Bowl, including running back Terrell Davis, who was named the NFL MVP in 1998.

Sure, he had a bad year this year, but finished 1st two years in a row prior.

Kubiak would be a pretty good hire, if: 1) The Cowboy's current personnel would be the right fit for his zone blocking scheme and 2) Garrett would not make him stick with the Cowboys current offensive scheme which might hamper some of Kubiak's effectiveness.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Hey guys,

If you had to pick one Cowboy out of this group to go in the ring, who would it be?

Would you pick Romo, Ware, or Witten and why? All 3 may, maybe 2 but you can only pick 1.

 

[Terpman22]

Ware. Easily the best player of the 3.

 

[BigDave]

I agree that it would be a scheme change, but I believe it would benefit the Boys.

When Dallas has had the most success IMO, is off play action pass. In order to do that you need a good run game.

I believe they have the RB in Murray to pull it off. As we've seen this year, he's not being utilized propoerly. Get him a few more OL pieces and I think they can have much better success in that type of system.

The zone blocking approach would be Kubiak's strength.

Here's a great article on it http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695747-houston-texans-2013-season-preview-why-the-zone-blocking-scheme-will-be-key

 

[Ridgelake]

I agree that it would be a scheme change, but I believe it would benefit the Boys.

When Dallas has had the most success IMO, is off play action pass. In order to do that you need a good run game.

I believe they have the RB in Murray to pull it off. As we've seen this year, he's not being utilized propoerly. Get him a few more OL pieces and I think they can have much better success in that type of system.

The zone blocking approach would be Kubiak's strength.

Here's a great article on it http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695747-houston-texans-2013-season-preview-why-the-zone-blocking-scheme-will-be-key

Dallas does primarily run the zone blocking scheme. So that would fit. Romo also has (had?) the mobility to run that Kubiak/Shanahan system. But I doubt that the offense will materially change so long as Garrett is the HC. We can hope and dream. But I seriously doubt that it happens.

 

[simmonjm]

Latest rumor is Cowboys are interested in bringing back Norv Turner as offensive coordinator and promoting Marinelli. I would really like to keep Marinelli in his current capacity and not give him a promotion but its not the end of the world for me. I would be really disappointed if Callahan was fired as I thought he did a great job this year just needed to utilize Murray a bit more.

 

[simmonjm]

Its not unprecedented for a good offensive coach to lose sight of the importance of the run game. Andy Reid and Sean Payton immediately come to mind. Im not looking for an argument but I am of the opinion that Garrett has ability to turn things around although I can concede that after 3 years people want to see Cowboys playing in January. I really hope Kiffin is relieved of duties though and draft is defensive focused.

I continue to be impressed with your optimism about the Cowboys (no sarcasm, I really mean that). If you are that optimistic about life overall than you are a very happy man.

A couple things to consider when looking at Garrett's record over the last 3 years:

Point #1: The Cowboys played to get into the playoffs on the last day of the season the last 3 years against NFC East teams who were also playing to get into the playoffs. These were, basically, playoff games. The Cowboys lost all 3. So that may give you some indication of how Garrett coaches in big games.

Point #2: If the Cowboys had won all 3 of those games, The Cowboys would have won the division at 9-7 all three years. No team in the division would have won double digit games in the last 3 years. So the Cowboys have had a pretty weak division to play in under Garrett and yet they still have only finished 8-8.

Point #3: 20 of the leagues 32 teams have won at least 10 games in one of the last 3 seasons. The Cowboys are one of 12 teams not to have won double digit games the last 3 years.

Point #4: Have the Cowboys left games on the table under Garrett? i.e. have they lost games they should have won due to coaching decisions? Conversely, have they won games they should have lost due to coaching decisions? I think you could point to 1 or 2 games in each of the last 3 years that the Cowboys should have won that they didn't due to coaching. I am not so sure about the games they won that they should have lost but for great coaching decisions. You follow the team more closely so I will take your word if you say there have been some of those.

Just some points to consider about Garrett. My overall impression of him is that he is a coordinator who should not be a head coach (a la Kubiak, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips). When I watch Garrett I never get the sense that he is connecting with anyone else on the sideline, either coaches or players. He looks like he's watching the game as a fan like I do. He gets a happy face when they do well, and a frustrated face when they don't do well. I get no sense that he is leading the team. That of course, is just anecdotal, and not really an argument against him

Garrett had no real experience before being elevated to HC of the Dallas Cowboys so I suppose I am more patient with him than others. He has lost games by questionable calls but then again other coaches such as Belichek have as well. This year I really thought he took some big steps forward and Dallas would have been a playoff team if not for a historically bad defense. I have argued with others on this point but I really feel like Jerry made the call to switch to a 4-3 and forced Kiffin on Garrett.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Before I talk myself into agreeing with Ridgelake I want to clarify play calling this week. I just struggled through the game on Rewind using all22 film. You can't just grab the run pass stats and arrive at conclusions. It is more complicated than that. I could point out that they lost the first half 17-10 running the ball and won the second half 12-7 not running the ball, so obviously they should have passed more in the first half. Dallas' odd pass-run balance has, to a great degree, been dictated by defensives adjusting at halftime. The Eagles went from lots of two deep safeties shading Dez and Witten in the first half to 8 man cover zero run blitz fronts in the second half. They even designed the defense to shut down screens and runs to Murray. Orton tried to audible to the short smoke and short screen and they were equally defended. Murray was shutdown when they did go to him, 3 yds a pop for the game after some nice runs in the first half. Dallas wasn't struggling to move the ball through the air. Orton had 358 yards. The TD drive in the 2nd half was all passing and rightly so. They failed to convert from 3rd and 2 running, tried the screen to Murray on 4th and it was also defended. Philly took both the run and short passing game away and challenged Dallas to attack deep. Orton took his shots and came up short. We can go drive by drive in the 2nd half on all22 and not find more than a couple situations where they probably should have ran. Their only 3 and outs in the 2nd half were on drives where they fed Murray.

I am probably in the minority on Garrett. But I see pros and cons.

Pros: 1) The team has fought hard under his watch. Previous teams would give up. There is no give up on his team. 2) He definitely has a long term goal and plan in mind for the organization. And he has Jerry's ear. He is one of the few people that can moderate Jerry's impulsiveness. (Not control, moderate). 3) stupid penalties have improved significantly under his watch.

Cons: 1) His game management has cost the team several wins. One would hope this improves with experience. But it hasn't yet. 2) There are elements of his offensive scheme that leave things to be desired. They were horrible on 3rd down, particularly 3rd and long when teams blitz. On the pro side, the team improved significantly in the redzone under Romo this season.

I could go into a lot more details. But the bottom line is that there are plusses and minuses, like most coaches. He wants (and so does Jerry I believe) to become the next Landry. Landry was never the warm fuzzy guy, bonding on the sideline either. But he set the organizational direction and put people in positions to succeed. Garrett unquestionably needs to improve his game management. He apparently has at least 1 more year to get it together.

And this is where I am in the minority with my fellow Cowboy homers on this board, I am glad that he has the chance to make that improvement. I do think he can improve and has as good a chance as any to lead this team in the right direction as long as Jerry is in charge. What I am saying is that so long as Jerry is around, I doubt anyone will do a materially better job as coach. And changing is likely going to make matters worse.

The two things I bolded are where I'm torn. I think NFL GMs make decade crushing mistakes changing coaching staffs that have the team's playing hard. That's a great way to see a solid core quit. The NFL is a tough place to win. Luck plays a role few will admit. Garrett just led a rag tag group of backups, gimps and cast offs to within a few yards of a division title. Kiffin's defense came out on fire playing smart. The offense was solid. Dumping a coach who has his team giving 110 is bad for team chemistry going forward.

It's difficult to forgive the game management blunders this far along. I wouldn't rejoice or mourn a firing. I agree Garrett's probably as good a match as Jerry can find for himself. That's hard for fans to stomach, but it's reality. Jerry isn't going anywhere. There's too much dreaming in this thread. If that's cathartic for some of you, great. Just understand it's denial and ignorance too. It's just a football team so there's no compelling reason for fans to be in acceptance of reality, but it sure makes it hard for some to join the conversation. It's not that I hate the idea of blowing it up, it's that the idea is ignorant.

There's no reason why a healthy version of this team wouldn't have three more wins and a bunch of optimistic fans for the playoffs. I don't know if the injury issues are endemic with a solution in the training room. Nobody does. My hunch is a bad run of luck.

I enjoyed watching the Chiefs backups give a hungry SD team so much trouble. I lamented Dallas not having that type of depth. Then Dallas's backups gave an equally hungry Philly team all it could handle. The situation is far from a good one in Dallas, but it's not as bad as many of you make it. No doubt there's some huge talent gaps on this roster, but there's also some key improvement and a bunch of growth.

 

[simmonjm]

Before I talk myself into agreeing with Ridgelake I want to clarify play calling this week. I just struggled through the game on Rewind using all22 film. You can't just grab the run pass stats and arrive at conclusions. It is more complicated than that. I could point out that they lost the first half 17-10 running the ball and won the second half 12-7 not running the ball, so obviously they should have passed more in the first half. Dallas' odd pass-run balance has, to a great degree, been dictated by defensives adjusting at halftime. The Eagles went from lots of two deep safeties shading Dez and Witten in the first half to 8 man cover zero run blitz fronts in the second half. They even designed the defense to shut down screens and runs to Murray. Orton tried to audible to the short smoke and short screen and they were equally defended. Murray was shutdown when they did go to him, 3 yds a pop for the game after some nice runs in the first half. Dallas wasn't struggling to move the ball through the air. Orton had 358 yards. The TD drive in the 2nd half was all passing and rightly so. They failed to convert from 3rd and 2 running, tried the screen to Murray on 4th and it was also defended. Philly took both the run and short passing game away and challenged Dallas to attack deep. Orton took his shots and came up short. We can go drive by drive in the 2nd half on all22 and not find more than a couple situations where they probably should have ran. Their only 3 and outs in the 2nd half were on drives where they fed Murray.

I am probably in the minority on Garrett. But I see pros and cons.

Pros: 1) The team has fought hard under his watch. Previous teams would give up. There is no give up on his team. 2) He definitely has a long term goal and plan in mind for the organization. And he has Jerry's ear. He is one of the few people that can moderate Jerry's impulsiveness. (Not control, moderate). 3) stupid penalties have improved significantly under his watch.

Cons: 1) His game management has cost the team several wins. One would hope this improves with experience. But it hasn't yet. 2) There are elements of his offensive scheme that leave things to be desired. They were horrible on 3rd down, particularly 3rd and long when teams blitz. On the pro side, the team improved significantly in the redzone under Romo this season.

I could go into a lot more details. But the bottom line is that there are plusses and minuses, like most coaches. He wants (and so does Jerry I believe) to become the next Landry. Landry was never the warm fuzzy guy, bonding on the sideline either. But he set the organizational direction and put people in positions to succeed. Garrett unquestionably needs to improve his game management. He apparently has at least 1 more year to get it together.

And this is where I am in the minority with my fellow Cowboy homers on this board, I am glad that he has the chance to make that improvement. I do think he can improve and has as good a chance as any to lead this team in the right direction as long as Jerry is in charge. What I am saying is that so long as Jerry is around, I doubt anyone will do a materially better job as coach. And changing is likely going to make matters worse.

The two things I bolded are where I'm torn. I think NFL GMs make decade crushing mistakes changing coaching staffs that have the team's playing hard. That's a great way to see a solid core quit. The NFL is a tough place to win. Luck plays a role few will admit. Garrett just led a rag tag group of backups, gimps and cast offs to within a few yards of a division title. Kiffin's defense came out on fire playing smart. The offense was solid. Dumping a coach who has his team giving 110 is bad for team chemistry going forward.

It's difficult to forgive the game management blunders this far along. I wouldn't rejoice or mourn a firing. I agree Garrett's probably as good a match as Jerry can find for himself. That's hard for fans to stomach, but it's reality. Jerry isn't going anywhere. There's too much dreaming in this thread. If that's cathartic for some of you, great. Just understand it's denial and ignorance too. It's just a football team so there's no compelling reason for fans to be in acceptance of reality, but it sure makes it hard for some to join the conversation. It's not that I hate the idea of blowing it up, it's that the idea is ignorant.

There's no reason why a healthy version of this team wouldn't have three more wins and a bunch of optimistic fans for the playoffs. I don't know if the injury issues are endemic with a solution in the training room. Nobody does. My hunch is a bad run of luck.

I enjoyed watching the Chiefs backups give a hungry SD team so much trouble. I lamented Dallas not having that type of depth. Then Dallas's backups gave an equally hungry Philly team all it could handle. The situation is far from a good one in Dallas, but it's not as bad as many of you make it. No doubt there's some huge talent gaps on this roster, but there's also some key improvement and a bunch of growth.

Best posting in 2013.

 

[humpback]

Before I talk myself into agreeing with Ridgelake I want to clarify play calling this week. I just struggled through the game on Rewind using all22 film. You can't just grab the run pass stats and arrive at conclusions. It is more complicated than that. I could point out that they lost the first half 17-10 running the ball and won the second half 12-7 not running the ball, so obviously they should have passed more in the first half. Dallas' odd pass-run balance has, to a great degree, been dictated by defensives adjusting at halftime. The Eagles went from lots of two deep safeties shading Dez and Witten in the first half to 8 man cover zero run blitz fronts in the second half. They even designed the defense to shut down screens and runs to Murray. Orton tried to audible to the short smoke and short screen and they were equally defended. Murray was shutdown when they did go to him, 3 yds a pop for the game after some nice runs in the first half. Dallas wasn't struggling to move the ball through the air. Orton had 358 yards. The TD drive in the 2nd half was all passing and rightly so. They failed to convert from 3rd and 2 running, tried the screen to Murray on 4th and it was also defended. Philly took both the run and short passing game away and challenged Dallas to attack deep. Orton took his shots and came up short. We can go drive by drive in the 2nd half on all22 and not find more than a couple situations where they probably should have ran. Their only 3 and outs in the 2nd half were on drives where they fed Murray.

Why use reason like this when it's so much easier to just say "they should have run the ball more"?

 

[jkruppe]

Before I talk myself into agreeing with Ridgelake I want to clarify play calling this week. I just struggled through the game on Rewind using all22 film. You can't just grab the run pass stats and arrive at conclusions. It is more complicated than that. I could point out that they lost the first half 17-10 running the ball and won the second half 12-7 not running the ball, so obviously they should have passed more in the first half. Dallas' odd pass-run balance has, to a great degree, been dictated by defensives adjusting at halftime. The Eagles went from lots of two deep safeties shading Dez and Witten in the first half to 8 man cover zero run blitz fronts in the second half. They even designed the defense to shut down screens and runs to Murray. Orton tried to audible to the short smoke and short screen and they were equally defended. Murray was shutdown when they did go to him, 3 yds a pop for the game after some nice runs in the first half. Dallas wasn't struggling to move the ball through the air. Orton had 358 yards. The TD drive in the 2nd half was all passing and rightly so. They failed to convert from 3rd and 2 running, tried the screen to Murray on 4th and it was also defended. Philly took both the run and short passing game away and challenged Dallas to attack deep. Orton took his shots and came up short. We can go drive by drive in the 2nd half on all22 and not find more than a couple situations where they probably should have ran. Their only 3 and outs in the 2nd half were on drives where they fed Murray.

I am probably in the minority on Garrett. But I see pros and cons.

Pros: 1) The team has fought hard under his watch. Previous teams would give up. There is no give up on his team. 2) He definitely has a long term goal and plan in mind for the organization. And he has Jerry's ear. He is one of the few people that can moderate Jerry's impulsiveness. (Not control, moderate). 3) stupid penalties have improved significantly under his watch.

Cons: 1) His game management has cost the team several wins. One would hope this improves with experience. But it hasn't yet. 2) There are elements of his offensive scheme that leave things to be desired. They were horrible on 3rd down, particularly 3rd and long when teams blitz. On the pro side, the team improved significantly in the redzone under Romo this season.

I could go into a lot more details. But the bottom line is that there are plusses and minuses, like most coaches. He wants (and so does Jerry I believe) to become the next Landry. Landry was never the warm fuzzy guy, bonding on the sideline either. But he set the organizational direction and put people in positions to succeed. Garrett unquestionably needs to improve his game management. He apparently has at least 1 more year to get it together.

And this is where I am in the minority with my fellow Cowboy homers on this board, I am glad that he has the chance to make that improvement. I do think he can improve and has as good a chance as any to lead this team in the right direction as long as Jerry is in charge. What I am saying is that so long as Jerry is around, I doubt anyone will do a materially better job as coach. And changing is likely going to make matters worse.

The two things I bolded are where I'm torn. I think NFL GMs make decade crushing mistakes changing coaching staffs that have the team's playing hard. That's a great way to see a solid core quit. The NFL is a tough place to win. Luck plays a role few will admit. Garrett just led a rag tag group of backups, gimps and cast offs to within a few yards of a division title. Kiffin's defense came out on fire playing smart. The offense was solid. Dumping a coach who has his team giving 110 is bad for team chemistry going forward.

It's difficult to forgive the game management blunders this far along. I wouldn't rejoice or mourn a firing. I agree Garrett's probably as good a match as Jerry can find for himself. That's hard for fans to stomach, but it's reality. Jerry isn't going anywhere. There's too much dreaming in this thread. If that's cathartic for some of you, great. Just understand it's denial and ignorance too. It's just a football team so there's no compelling reason for fans to be in acceptance of reality, but it sure makes it hard for some to join the conversation. It's not that I hate the idea of blowing it up, it's that the idea is ignorant.

There's no reason why a healthy version of this team wouldn't have three more wins and a bunch of optimistic fans for the playoffs. I don't know if the injury issues are endemic with a solution in the training room. Nobody does. My hunch is a bad run of luck.

I enjoyed watching the Chiefs backups give a hungry SD team so much trouble. I lamented Dallas not having that type of depth. Then Dallas's backups gave an equally hungry Philly team all it could handle. The situation is far from a good one in Dallas, but it's not as bad as many of you make it. No doubt there's some huge talent gaps on this roster, but there's also some key improvement and a bunch of growth.

Best posting in 2013.

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.

You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

 

[Ack88]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

My thoughts exactly. Well said.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

 

[jkruppe]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

While it is frustrating to finish 8-8 again and be out of the playoffs, as many have tried to explain to you and BG, there's no need, nor is it realistic to "blow it up" and "start over" as you love to post. You rail on Jerry and Garrett and then somehow believe they can trade Romo, Witten, Ware, etc for all these high draft picks that they'll magically hit on perfectly in the draft so that in 3 years they'll return to their 90's dominant fashion. What world do you live in? Go be a fan of Cleveland or Buffalo or Miami or Washington or one of these other teams who are continually "blowing it up" to start over. This isn't your dynasty team. You have no idea what it's like to be an NFL GM or HC. It's not easy, like you seem to think.

Say you fire Garrett. Who gets brought in? Every post you complain about something -- and often at least one of those complaints are directed at Jerry Jones. Yet somehow you believe you'll get a Gruden or a Lovie to come coach for him? I think it was Ridge who said Garrett has a good working relationship with Jerry. He's able to cut through some -- not all -- of his BS. Do you really think the same of McDaniels or Whisenhunt or some other coordinator looking for his first HC job? Repeat of Campo or Gailey anyone? No thanks. Better to stay with the devil you know and believe that he can improve.

The play calling obviously needs to be better. So, let's realistically hope for a new OC maybe, or improvement from Callahan, if he stays. Those are things that could actually happen and bring good results.

For whatever reason, these guys play hard for Garrett. He hasn't lost this team. Quite the opposite, in fact. There are pieces in place that give us enough talent to win now with an injection of defensive talent through the draft and the subtraction of so many injuries. Even with your perpetual turd-colored glasses you should be able to see how the healthy version of this team gets 2-3 more wins, like Chaos said above. They aren't that far away.

 

[BigDave]

Jerry thinks that he's one or two players away from a Superbowl each year. He's delusional.

He saw the NYG's make a run after they got in at 9-7. He has that in his head and that's what drives a lot of his decision making.

You can go to any rebroadcast of his comments and see that this is his mentality.

So, this year how does that play with Jerruh?

He's going to keep Garrett. I don't think that this is a bad thing. He brings stability around here. He has to get better at game management IMO.

But, as a HC doing everything that a HC needs to do he's OK. I agree that he should be here another year.

IMO, I think he needs to retire Kiffen and promote Marinelli. Hopefully the rumors over the last few days are true.

IMO, they need to get another OC. I like Kubiak and his zone blocking attack as I mentioned in a previous post.

They need to cut bait on several players. I could see getting rid of Austin, Ware and Carr to name a few. These three will give us big savings after next year when their dead money drops off. Now a lot of people will disagree, but Austin and Ware are injuries waiting to happen=missed games=big investment for not a lot of return.

We need to draft OL/DL and develop our younger players that got playing time this year due to all the injuries. We need a safety.

Jerry has made the splashes and loves that on draft day. Last year was an exception and I agree with others that Garrett influenced him there.

Hopefully he stays put or drops back on draft day and focuses on the interior lines.

I think Dallas can be successful again and make a run in the playoffs but it will take 3-4 years of developing younger players, dropping some older players, picking up some cap room and for Jerruh to stop thinking we are one year away from winning a SB. Let's have a goal of making the playoffs and playing well in December before we fantasize about another SB.

 

[simmonjm]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.

You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

Oversimplification of a complex issue like saying if I keep going to work everyday I will keep my job. Not necessarily true. Its insanity to think to that the Cowboys will continue to be 8-8 if they keep Garrett especially with all the close losses this season. Pete Carroll went 7-9 in back to back years with Seattle and now they look like they have the makings of an elite team for a long time. To clarify I am not saying I think the Cowboys start a dynasty next year just saying that I think the future is not as bad as some have made it out to be.

 

[Ack88]

It is absolutely not an oversimplification. The Cowboys have been THE SAME TEAM for three years now.

Since 1998 they are exactly .500

I think their record is something like 138-138. I do not recall the exact number, as it was a graphic on ESPN.

The common thread here is Jerry Jones.

As Bill Parcells once said- it is what it is.

Stop with this nonsense about the Cowboys chances with Jeruh running the show. It could not be more well defined.

And before you cite Jimmy Johnson''s era and the three titles as evidence to the contrary, you can't seriously think, given all the other evidence, that Jeruh had any significant role in personnel evaluation during that time. Jimmy called all the football shots, Jerry just wanted credit for it.

 

[simmonjm]

It is absolutely not an oversimplification. The Cowboys have been THE SAME TEAM for three years now.

Since 1998 they are exactly .500

I think their record is something like 138-138. I do not recall the exact number, as it was a graphic on ESPN.

The common thread here is Jerry Jones.

As Bill Parcells once said- it is what it is.

Stop with this nonsense about the Cowboys chances with Jeruh running the show. It could not be more well defined.

And before you cite Jimmy Johnson''s era and the three titles as evidence to the contrary, you can't seriously think, given all the other evidence, that Jeruh had any significant role in personnel evaluation during that time. Jimmy called all the football shots, Jerry just wanted credit for it.

Jerry Jones is here to stay. If you cant get past that fact then your absolutely rooting for the wrong team. This years team was one or two bad bounces/calls from being 10-6. ESPN wont tell you that because it makes for better ratings to pile on the Cowboys. The KC Chiefs are in the playoffs this year and sucked horribly for past 10 years 66-94 and yet they seemed to have to turn the corner. They didn't get rid of all their players just continued to draft and keep to a plan which is what the Cowboys have done/are doing.

 

[Ack88]

I am not disputing that fact, I'm lamenting it.

They are strictly a .500 team, that's it.

As much as I dislike Jetuh's management style, I'm a loyal fan, so I will never bail.

 

[simmonjm]

I am not disputing that fact, I'm lamenting it.

They are strictly a .500 team, that's it.

As much as I dislike Jetuh's management style, I'm a loyal fan, so I will never bail.

So because of Jerry they can never be better than a .500 team? Not sure I can agree with that especially when you look around the league and see massive turnarounds by other perennially underachieving teams.

 

[Ack88]

They certainly could be better than a .500 team. After all, they've had a couple of double digit win seasons over the past 10-12 years. My point is, given what we know about this team, coaching staff, gm, and key players- being a legitimate Super Bowl contender is unlikely.

This team generally does not draft well, makes horrific trades (Roy Williams and Joey Galloway), and has not demonstrated any positive consistency since 2007. In order to make a deep playoff run, teams have to, at some point, string together a several game win streak and/or elevate their play significantly in December and January.

Simply put, the Cowboys have not done this. Given that none of the major variables have changed, and that is a fixed, well established pattern, I don't see this changing.

 

[simmonjm]

They certainly could be better than a .500 team. After all, they've had a couple of double digit win seasons over the past 10-12 years. My point is, given what we know about this team, coaching staff, gm, and key players- being a legitimate Super Bowl contender is unlikely.

This team generally does not draft well, makes horrific trades (Roy Williams and Joey Galloway), and has not demonstrated any positive consistency since 2007. In order to make a deep playoff run, teams have to, at some point, string together a several game win streak and/or elevate their play significantly in December and January.

Simply put, the Cowboys have not done this. Given that none of the major variables have changed, and that is a fixed, well established pattern, I don't see this changing.

Actually this team is among one of the better teams at drafting players since Garret's tenure. Tyron Smith, Sean Lee, Frederick, Terrance Williams are building blocks of the future. I won't argue trade aspect though because Cowboys certainly came out on the losing end but in fairness your bringing up trades from over 5 years ago. Perhaps jones saw error in his ways if he has not committed any recent bad trades.

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

While it is frustrating to finish 8-8 again and be out of the playoffs, as many have tried to explain to you and BG, there's no need, nor is it realistic to "blow it up" and "start over" as you love to post. You rail on Jerry and Garrett and then somehow believe they can trade Romo, Witten, Ware, etc for all these high draft picks that they'll magically hit on perfectly in the draft so that in 3 years they'll return to their 90's dominant fashion. What world do you live in? Go be a fan of Cleveland or Buffalo or Miami or Washington or one of these other teams who are continually "blowing it up" to start over. This isn't your dynasty team. You have no idea what it's like to be an NFL GM or HC. It's not easy, like you seem to think. Say you fire Garrett. Who gets brought in? Every post you complain about something -- and often at least one of those complaints are directed at Jerry Jones. Yet somehow you believe you'll get a Gruden or a Lovie to come coach for him? I think it was Ridge who said Garrett has a good working relationship with Jerry. He's able to cut through some -- not all -- of his BS. Do you really think the same of McDaniels or Whisenhunt or some other coordinator looking for his first HC job? Repeat of Campo or Gailey anyone? No thanks. Better to stay with the devil you know and believe that he can improve.

The play calling obviously needs to be better. So, let's realistically hope for a new OC maybe, or improvement from Callahan, if he stays. Those are things that could actually happen and bring good results.

For whatever reason, these guys play hard for Garrett. He hasn't lost this team. Quite the opposite, in fact. There are pieces in place that give us enough talent to win now with an injection of defensive talent through the draft and the subtraction of so many injuries. Even with your perpetual turd-colored glasses you should be able to see how the healthy version of this team gets 2-3 more wins, like Chaos said above. They aren't that far away.

The delusion is strong with this one.

Garrett is a terrible HC, there is no debate. Right now, he is one of the worst in the NFL. Can he mature into an adequate coach? Perhaps. But, he has yet to demonstrate any ability to correct his own damn mistakes. This is the single biggest factor in transforming me from a leery supporter to an ardent dissenter of Mr. Garrett.

Contrary to your biased claim that guys play hard under his watch, please tell me what happened at the end of the Detroit game when the defense casually lined up before the snap and let Stafford leap into the end zone? Is that the type of hard work ethic you're talking about? Or how about the casual pass rush in the second half of the GB game when it looked like everyone was looking forward to a post-game beer?

The Philly game was great effort, tremendous effort. They really played their asses off wire to wire. Same with the STL game. But, beyond that, you routinely see in both Giants games, the Denver game, KC, etc... receivers not finishing blocks, linemen strolling around, the secondary perpetually confused (a proxy for poor preparation and work ethic in practice). It goes on and on.

I respect your optimism. But, absent a rationale for why one should be optimistic, it's difficult to understand. The operations managers are clueless, they have no money, much of their elite talent are fading in years and effectiveness. This whole idea of continuing on with a coach who doesn't know what he's doing and with team that doesn't have the talent or prospects of improving their talent base is the very definition of insanity. My ou think it's unrealistic to blow it up. May I submit it is even more unrealistic to continue with the current model and expect better results by doing the exact same thing. In fact, it's relatively well established your approach yields mediocrity year after year. Those of us who advocate change at least have reasonable belief that things will improve.

I don't like your 8-8 Cowboys. I want better.

 

[cobalt_27]

I am not disputing that fact, I'm lamenting it.

They are strictly a .500 team, that's it.

As much as I dislike Jetuh's management style, I'm a loyal fan, so I will never bail.

So because of Jerry they can never be better than a .500 team? Not sure I can agree with that especially when you look around the league and see massive turnarounds by other perennially underachieving teams.

Please discuss those specific teams and characterize what it was they did that stimulated the turnaround.

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.

You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

Oversimplification of a complex issue like saying if I keep going to work everyday I will keep my job. Not necessarily true. Its insanity to think to that the Cowboys will continue to be 8-8 if they keep Garrett especially with all the close losses this season. Pete Carroll went 7-9 in back to back years with Seattle and now they look like they have the makings of an elite team for a long time. To clarify I am not saying I think the Cowboys start a dynasty next year just saying that I think the future is not as bad as some have made it out to be.

You are falling victim to the fundamental attribution error. You characterized our close losses in another post as the result of a few bad bounces. But, what of our close wins? History tells me you would probably say it was the result of talent, grit, determination.

You see the problem here, right?

They are a recidivist 8-8 team for a reason.

 

[simmonjm]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

While it is frustrating to finish 8-8 again and be out of the playoffs, as many have tried to explain to you and BG, there's no need, nor is it realistic to "blow it up" and "start over" as you love to post. You rail on Jerry and Garrett and then somehow believe they can trade Romo, Witten, Ware, etc for all these high draft picks that they'll magically hit on perfectly in the draft so that in 3 years they'll return to their 90's dominant fashion. What world do you live in? Go be a fan of Cleveland or Buffalo or Miami or Washington or one of these other teams who are continually "blowing it up" to start over. This isn't your dynasty team. You have no idea what it's like to be an NFL GM or HC. It's not easy, like you seem to think. Say you fire Garrett. Who gets brought in? Every post you complain about something -- and often at least one of those complaints are directed at Jerry Jones. Yet somehow you believe you'll get a Gruden or a Lovie to come coach for him? I think it was Ridge who said Garrett has a good working relationship with Jerry. He's able to cut through some -- not all -- of his BS. Do you really think the same of McDaniels or Whisenhunt or some other coordinator looking for his first HC job? Repeat of Campo or Gailey anyone? No thanks. Better to stay with the devil you know and believe that he can improve.

The play calling obviously needs to be better. So, let's realistically hope for a new OC maybe, or improvement from Callahan, if he stays. Those are things that could actually happen and bring good results.

For whatever reason, these guys play hard for Garrett. He hasn't lost this team. Quite the opposite, in fact. There are pieces in place that give us enough talent to win now with an injection of defensive talent through the draft and the subtraction of so many injuries. Even with your perpetual turd-colored glasses you should be able to see how the healthy version of this team gets 2-3 more wins, like Chaos said above. They aren't that far away.

The delusion is strong with this one.

Garrett is a terrible HC, there is no debate. Right now, he is one of the worst in the NFL. Can he mature into an adequate coach? Perhaps. But, he has yet to demonstrate any ability to correct his own damn mistakes. This is the single biggest factor in transforming me from a leery supporter to an ardent dissenter of Mr. Garrett.

Contrary to your biased claim that guys play hard under his watch, please tell me what happened at the end of the Detroit game when the defense casually lined up before the snap and let Stafford leap into the end zone? Is that the type of hard work ethic you're talking about? Or how about the casual pass rush in the second half of the GB game when it looked like everyone was looking forward to a post-game beer?

The Philly game was great effort, tremendous effort. They really played their asses off wire to wire. Same with the STL game. But, beyond that, you routinely see in both Giants games, the Denver game, KC, etc... receivers not finishing blocks, linemen strolling around, the secondary perpetually confused (a proxy for poor preparation and work ethic in practice). It goes on and on.

I respect your optimism. But, absent a rationale for why one should be optimistic, it's difficult to understand. The operations managers are clueless, they have no money, much of their elite talent are fading in years and effectiveness. This whole idea of continuing on with a coach who doesn't know what he's doing and with team that doesn't have the talent or prospects of improving their talent base is the very definition of insanity. My ou think it's unrealistic to blow it up. May I submit it is even more unrealistic to continue with the current model and expect better results by doing the exact same thing. In fact, it's relatively well established your approach yields mediocrity year after year. Those of us who advocate change at least have reasonable belief that things will improve.

I don't like your 8-8 Cowboys. I want better.

How many coaches in the NFL could lead a team to an 8-8 record with an NFL worst defense that gave up 415 yards a game and 27 points a game (7th worst)? Falcons arguably have a better team and they could only manage a 4-12 record so I would argue that Garrett is a better coach. The list could go on. I guarantee you if Garrett was fired he would be hired to fill one of the current vacancies (no doubt in my mind). I don't think its a coincidence that Kiffin is being replaced as the blame lies with him as far as the defense and not Garrett.

 

[simmonjm]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.

You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

Oversimplification of a complex issue like saying if I keep going to work everyday I will keep my job. Not necessarily true. Its insanity to think to that the Cowboys will continue to be 8-8 if they keep Garrett especially with all the close losses this season. Pete Carroll went 7-9 in back to back years with Seattle and now they look like they have the makings of an elite team for a long time. To clarify I am not saying I think the Cowboys start a dynasty next year just saying that I think the future is not as bad as some have made it out to be.

You are falling victim to the fundamental attribution error. You characterized our close losses in another post as the result of a few bad bounces. But, what of our close wins? History tells me you would probably say it was the result of talent, grit, determination.

You see the problem here, right?

They are a recidivist 8-8 team for a reason.

Fair point but I would add 3 losses by 1 point, 1 loss by 2 points, 1 win by 1 point.

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.

But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

While it is frustrating to finish 8-8 again and be out of the playoffs, as many have tried to explain to you and BG, there's no need, nor is it realistic to "blow it up" and "start over" as you love to post. You rail on Jerry and Garrett and then somehow believe they can trade Romo, Witten, Ware, etc for all these high draft picks that they'll magically hit on perfectly in the draft so that in 3 years they'll return to their 90's dominant fashion. What world do you live in? Go be a fan of Cleveland or Buffalo or Miami or Washington or one of these other teams who are continually "blowing it up" to start over. This isn't your dynasty team. You have no idea what it's like to be an NFL GM or HC. It's not easy, like you seem to think. Say you fire Garrett. Who gets brought in? Every post you complain about something -- and often at least one of those complaints are directed at Jerry Jones. Yet somehow you believe you'll get a Gruden or a Lovie to come coach for him? I think it was Ridge who said Garrett has a good working relationship with Jerry. He's able to cut through some -- not all -- of his BS. Do you really think the same of McDaniels or Whisenhunt or some other coordinator looking for his first HC job? Repeat of Campo or Gailey anyone? No thanks. Better to stay with the devil you know and believe that he can improve.

The play calling obviously needs to be better. So, let's realistically hope for a new OC maybe, or improvement from Callahan, if he stays. Those are things that could actually happen and bring good results.

For whatever reason, these guys play hard for Garrett. He hasn't lost this team. Quite the opposite, in fact. There are pieces in place that give us enough talent to win now with an injection of defensive talent through the draft and the subtraction of so many injuries. Even with your perpetual turd-colored glasses you should be able to see how the healthy version of this team gets 2-3 more wins, like Chaos said above. They aren't that far away.

The delusion is strong with this one.Garrett is a terrible HC, there is no debate. Right now, he is one of the worst in the NFL. Can he mature into an adequate coach? Perhaps. But, he has yet to demonstrate any ability to correct his own damn mistakes. This is the single biggest factor in transforming me from a leery supporter to an ardent dissenter of Mr. Garrett.

Contrary to your biased claim that guys play hard under his watch, please tell me what happened at the end of the Detroit game when the defense casually lined up before the snap and let Stafford leap into the end zone? Is that the type of hard work ethic you're talking about? Or how about the casual pass rush in the second half of the GB game when it looked like everyone was looking forward to a post-game beer?

The Philly game was great effort, tremendous effort. They really played their asses off wire to wire. Same with the STL game. But, beyond that, you routinely see in both Giants games, the Denver game, KC, etc... receivers not finishing blocks, linemen strolling around, the secondary perpetually confused (a proxy for poor preparation and work ethic in practice). It goes on and on.

I respect your optimism. But, absent a rationale for why one should be optimistic, it's difficult to understand. The operations managers are clueless, they have no money, much of their elite talent are fading in years and effectiveness. This whole idea of continuing on with a coach who doesn't know what he's doing and with team that doesn't have the talent or prospects of improving their talent base is the very definition of insanity. My ou think it's unrealistic to blow it up. May I submit it is even more unrealistic to continue with the current model and expect better results by doing the exact same thing. In fact, it's relatively well established your approach yields mediocrity year after year. Those of us who advocate change at least have reasonable belief that things will improve.

I don't like your 8-8 Cowboys. I want better.

How many coaches in the NFL could lead a team to an 8-8 record with an NFL worst defense that gave up 415 yards a game and 27 points a game (7th worst)? Falcons arguably have a better team and they could only manage a 4-12 record so I would argue that Garrett is a better coach. The list could go on. I guarantee you if Garrett was fired he would be hired to fill one of the current vacancies (no doubt in my mind). I don't think its a coincidence that Kiffin is being replaced as the blame lies with him as far as the defense and not Garrett.

The list is not good. Probably as long as the list of 8-8 coaches who had a top 5 scoring offense (that incidentally got better when play calling duties were taken away from the guy who was running a 15th rated offense).

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year's draft was all about the offense. This year, it should be all about the defense and we'll see where we are after that. If we can hit 2 or 3 starters or, at least, heavy-rotation guys on defense in the upcoming draft, this team is very close to competing.

This sounds like a Jason Garrett post-game press conference. This exactly the type of thinking, you realize, that guides all of Jerry's decisions. Gosh, aw shucks, we just have to keep working harder, get at it, we are are just a couple guys away from getting to the next level.You cannot be 8-8 for three straight seasons and watch how this team plays, watch the talent deficit that translated in zero wins against winning teams, watch a confused, disorganized coaching staff muddle through game management decisions and botch them all so royally, and realistically think adding a couple of draft picks solves everything.But, this is why we are here. Because Jerry thinks this. And, apparently, so do a few fans. Welcome to the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over and maybe something will change.

Oversimplification of a complex issue like saying if I keep going to work everyday I will keep my job. Not necessarily true. Its insanity to think to that the Cowboys will continue to be 8-8 if they keep Garrett especially with all the close losses this season. Pete Carroll went 7-9 in back to back years with Seattle and now they look like they have the makings of an elite team for a long time. To clarify I am not saying I think the Cowboys start a dynasty next year just saying that I think the future is not as bad as some have made it out to be.

You are falling victim to the fundamental attribution error. You characterized our close losses in another post as the result of a few bad bounces. But, what of our close wins? History tells me you would probably say it was the result of talent, grit, determination.You see the problem here, right?

They are a recidivist 8-8 team for a reason.

Fair point but I would add 3 losses by 1 point, 1 loss by 2 points, 1 win by 1 point.

Cherry pick your numbers all you want. I stand by my position that you are falling victim to the fundamental attribution error here.

 

[dhockster]

It is absolutely not an oversimplification. The Cowboys have been THE SAME TEAM for three years now.

Since 1998 they are exactly .500

I think their record is something like 138-138. I do not recall the exact number, as it was a graphic on ESPN.

The common thread here is Jerry Jones.

As Bill Parcells once said- it is what it is.

Stop with this nonsense about the Cowboys chances with Jeruh running the show. It could not be more well defined.

And before you cite Jimmy Johnson''s era and the three titles as evidence to the contrary, you can't seriously think, given all the other evidence, that Jeruh had any significant role in personnel evaluation during that time. Jimmy called all the football shots, Jerry just wanted credit for it.

Jerry Jones is here to stay. If you cant get past that fact then your absolutely rooting for the wrong team. This years team was one or two bad bounces/calls from being 10-6. ESPN wont tell you that because it makes for better ratings to pile on the Cowboys. The KC Chiefs are in the playoffs this year and sucked horribly for past 10 years 66-94 and yet they seemed to have to turn the corner. They didn't get rid of all their players just continued to draft and keep to a plan which is what the Cowboys have done/are doing.

(But they did change their coach. See also Philadelphia, San Diego for similar results).

I do think the players play hard for Garrett. But that will only last so long if they don't get winning results. After 3 8-8 seasons, some of the veterans are probably getting pretty frustrated, and Garrett needs to win in '14 or I think they are going to stop playing hard for him.

 

[jkruppe]

So it looks like Marinelli wants to head to Tampa with Lovie, but he's under contract to Dallas as the D-line coach. Do you think Jerry should stop him from going? Get back a pick? Just let him go? And, if he does go, and Kiffin still "retires", who do we bring in as DC then?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/cowboys-would-have-to-approve-marinelli-move-to-tampa/