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Its just fun watching a new team. I mean 3rd and 4 and they run to pick up the 1st?? Also worth noting, there doesn't seem to be any confusion with this team. Players aren't standing around waiting to get the play call and everyone seems to be on the same page.
Agreed lol.
Foles is 24 years old, running the offense great, and is playing on a rookie contract worth less than 1m for the next 3 seasons. Where exactly do you see him in the future? I'm not sure what else you can ask for from a talent/business standpoint. Barkley doesn't deserve to play. If he does I will have my bets ready.
I dont get the feeling that Vick is comfortably ahead. Vick is 2 turnovers away from not being the starter and that can happen in a heartbeat with him. Foles lead 2 TD drives and had them right in the Redzone again when he tossed the pick. If a decision had to be made today I would pick Vick FWIW
Foles is not the future for this team at QB. He can be a backup maybe but I don't see him as the guy that will take us to the super bowl. If Kelly is serious about this thing, he will most likely draft a QB next year when we have another top 10 pick.
I disagree. Vick has looked much more comfortable back there with the exception of the 30 seconds before the half. I don't know how much Kelly holds that against him but the other drives were pretty efficient. Foles had a couple of nice drives but turnovers are turnovers. IF Vick was making them, we'd be killing him so Foles has to take his lumps. I was rooting for Foles because I didn't want to see another year of Vick but being objective about it, Vick has won this job. I expect him to get the bulk in the 3rd game.
I would pick Vick right now as well, I just don't believe it's by a wide margin right now.
I wish it wasn't true, but Insein is right. If a decision was made today Vick would win the job on merit. He's played better. I know the offense is based on short balls a lot of the time, but it's also a little concerning we haven't seen Foles go more than 10 yards or so downfield. That was one area he needed to show improvement from last year and we haven't seen one way or the other whether he'll hit the balls he was missing deep last year.
They did that to set up the next play which was a run.
are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
this. My buddy and I were talking about it at the bar last night..he could definitely eclipse 2,000 total yards this season. He looked dead nasty last night and they didn't even have Peters blowing people up.
Exactly. Upside? Playing the better quarterback, thus giving you a better chance to win. What more upside do you need?are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Well, while I agree that Foles has looked pretty good running the offense, Vick has just looked better. I think he's looked way, way better, but thats hyperbole.If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Joe Flacco and Eli Manning were superbowl QBs in the right scenario recently. Foles is not a backup caliber QB and is probably on that level now if giving the chance. By that I mean he is not a QB you'll be in a hurry to get rid of. Unless Teddy Bridgewater is gift wrapped to the Eagles I wouldn't be behind taking a QB is we finish bottom 10. We will take a developmental QB late as usual. Matt Barkley will not play this season. By now we can tell you have to earn snaps from Chip Kelly, especially at QB. He not a lets see what you can do guy. His practices are designed specifically for that reason.
I agree with this. And I hate that we're probably going to be stuck with the mirage of Mike Vick yet again.
Yea Foles looks like a square peg in a round hole. The offense is designed for Vicks talent. Even though he's getting good results he just doesn't look right.
If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
This is spot on. Vick may have a lead right now, but I don't think it's a big one at all, and Foles should win if it's too close to call.
Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
If you don't play the better person today (which is Vick) you're future won't be good with a coach who promises a completion then doesn't deliver. If Vick is better today then that's who you start with. Once the real Vick shows up you play Foles and I'm ok with that.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Agree. When Andy Reid came here he started Donovan McNabb from day one. Why would you start a veteran who isn't the future of the team when you have a younger player who you can develop. I'm sure Chip Kelly and the rest of the Eagles have written this season off and are already working towards the 2014 season.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Maybe the second part of this statement is incorrect in Chip's eyes? Just because you think Vick isn't the future doesn't mean that Chip Kelly agrees. Kelly obviously felt that he had SOMETHING with Vick, otherwise they would have let him walk. It's not crazy to think that Kelly is a Vick guy all the way and believes that his system can be a monster with Vick at the helm; on paper I think this is what many people think.Agree. When Andy Reid came here he started Donovan McNabb from day one. Why would you start a veteran who isn't the future of the team when you have a younger player who you can develop. I'm sure Chip Kelly and the rest of the Eagles have written this season off and are already working towards the 2014 season.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly.
I haven't read this entire thread... But I wonder if having a long term answer at QB is something Chip Kelly cares about? Coming from his college background, you'd think that he's used to a revolving door of QBs coming in and out of his program. Maybe what matters most to him is that the QB(s) he has rostered for the current season can all run his system effectively, whoever does that best in the current season will get the nod.Agree. When Andy Reid came here he started Donovan McNabb from day one. Why would you start a veteran who isn't the future of the team when you have a younger player who you can develop. I'm sure Chip Kelly and the rest of the Eagles have written this season off and are already working towards the 2014 season.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Umm, no, actually, he didn't. He carried Doug Pederson over from GB and started him over McNabb. The motivation was different, allowing young QBs to learn/adapt on the bench before throwing them in, but he wasted a ton of reps on a guy who did nothing but keep a seat warm.
Donovan didn't start till later in his rookie year.Agree. When Andy Reid came here he started Donovan McNabb from day one. Why would you start a veteran who isn't the future of the team when you have a younger player who you can develop. I'm sure Chip Kelly and the rest of the Eagles have written this season off and are already working towards the 2014 season.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
Kelly seems like a smart enough football mind. He can recognize that to be a top tier team in the NFL, you need a good to great QB.I haven't read this entire thread... But I wonder if having a long term answer at QB is something Chip Kelly cares about? Coming from his college background, you'd think that he's used to a revolving door of QBs coming in and out of his program. Maybe what matters most to him is that the QB(s) he has rostered for the current season can all run his system effectively, whoever does that best in the current season will get the nod.I have no idea what his history is like with sticking to a single QB for as long as possible at Oregon, but who knows... Maybe he's the odd duck in the pond that decides to do things completely differently in the NFL compared to what's etched in everyone's brains as the norm.Agree. When Andy Reid came here he started Donovan McNabb from day one. Why would you start a veteran who isn't the future of the team when you have a younger player who you can develop. I'm sure Chip Kelly and the rest of the Eagles have written this season off and are already working towards the 2014 season.Agreed. I dont care about wins & losses this season. I care about getting the right players in place and winning for the long haul. I just dont see how Vick can be part of their long term plans. I think by playing Vick (lets just say he is superior TODAY) over Foles you are hurting the long term outlook of the team. You are hurting the development of what is clearly a young QB that can flourish in CK's system, so whats the point?If you're grading the process and not just the outcome they are closer to neck and neck than lightyears apart. Vick might look better, but Foles is still playing at a really high level, driving the team into the redzone frequently, and getting rid of the ball quicker. Even when he threw the int it was the right decision. 9 times out of 10 that ball is uncatchable. I don't think Chip is kidding when he's saying he doesn't know who will be the QB week 1 even if Vick tilted the scale. Every practice, every meeting, every game, and every decision should be scrutinized. He can't really go wrong from the looks of things. I think what Buddy Ball is trying to say is Vick can only regress from here from what we know of him while Foles game is consistant and will only improve based on things like age and correcting small mistakes.are you serious? I thought he looked light years smoother than Foles.Still can't see the upside in going with Vick.
I probably should have used a sarcasm emoticon. That post went over a few peoples heads.
I don't think that at all. Roseman would have to be a fool. Vick is here for this year. How long he plays depends on his health. He'd have to be mvp candidate for him to still be here I would think.
Hopefully no. Chip Kelly is young and full of promise. I'd hate for him to become yet another Mike Vick coach casualty.
yeah, I don't get the Vick hate as much as others. If the last two preseason games are an indication of how this offense will run, Vick could bounce back in a big way.
Ok. So my next question would be are we winning the Super Bowl this year? And since I got so many no's on a Vick extension what's the point of him being here?
I think if Vick plays a full 16 and we (somehow) surprise everyone and make the playoffs, a Vick extension probably happens.Ok. So my next question would be are we winning the Super Bowl this year? And since I got so many no's on a Vick extension what's the point of him being here?
Exactly. If he plays like he did a few years ago before his injury or has this preseason, why wouldn't they want to extend his contract?I think if Vick plays a full 16 and we (somehow) surprise everyone and make the playoffs, a Vick extension probably happens.Ok. So my next question would be are we winning the Super Bowl this year? And since I got so many no's on a Vick extension what's the point of him being here?
He was a cheap stop gap opportunity for Kelly apparently who was not sold on foles. I was rooting for foles and would have cut vick way back in march just to start fresh but he's here now and playing like the best qb on the team. So he'll start. I don't think that in anyway guarantees he's here beyond this season though.Ok. So my next question would be are we winning the Super Bowl this year? And since I got so many no's on a Vick extension what's the point of him being here?
I chalk that up to not showing your cards before primetime. Preseason is about evaluation. If he already knows casey can do what he wants based on practice, he's not going to give opponents any looks to study.
I highly doubt he survives 16 games and don't believe he will stay focused on the quick release for the whole year. At some point he'll revert. He always has.Exactly. If he plays like he did a few years ago before his injury or has this preseason, why wouldn't they want to extend his contract?I think if Vick plays a full 16 and we (somehow) surprise everyone and make the playoffs, a Vick extension probably happens.Ok. So my next question would be are we winning the Super Bowl this year? And since I got so many no's on a Vick extension what's the point of him being here?
