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We'll be screaming for Foles by week 5.
We'll be screaming for Foles by week 5.
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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)
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Go, it's embarrassing to be an Eagles fan. The most pessimistic bunch of idiots in sports.
Go read the Seshawks thread. A bunch of optimistic great fans talking about their team and excited about their players.
The Eagles have a new coach with an exciting new system and their stars have had a great preseason. But our "fans" are still hateful and miserable. What a shame.
Go read the Seshawks thread. A bunch of optimistic great fans talking about their team and excited about their players.
The Eagles have a new coach with an exciting new system and their stars have had a great preseason. But our "fans" are still hateful and miserable. What a shame.
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Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Can't see the misery or the hate here? I've seen a lot of optimism for the new coach and justified criticism of our veteran qb. I'm sorry we're not all stepford wives like the newly emerged seahawks fans that recently remembered they had a team.
Insein
Footballguy
He has looked good at times but you must not have watched the third game. You'd understand the criticism that he reverted to old habits of holding on to the ball too long and making bad decisions when pressured. He's far from great. He has played better than foles to warrant the starters role but he's had some worrisome moments.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Oh, believe me, I get disgusted too. But without a powerhouse team in the division, and an exciting new offense, I choose to go into the season excited. Not already doing preemptive belly-aching and complaining. I'm not predicting Vick becomes last year's RGIII, and I'm not predicting the '72 Dolphins. But I'll save the doom and gloom for after they start deserving it. And I think you're right, we watch football differently.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I am always extremely excited for football and I am far from being a pessimistic eagles fan. However when I watch Vick I don't see anything close to great play from him.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Vick is going to tied to the success of the O-line - he's not making fast decisions, so if the O-line struggles and breaks down, he's done. If he has time, and can clearly see plays developing, or plays get covered but space to run, he'll make enough big plays to have a fantasy impact.
Well, he's the best we got. Hope you're joining me in hoping he does well. By the sounds if it, many supposed-Eagles fans aren't.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I'm certain most of the guys that frequent this Eagles thread are excited for what's to come be it good or bad. No one here strikes me as a someone just on the bandwagon or a idiot. We don't act like our players/coaches poop doesn't stink that's all. They are regular people who may or may not suck at doing their job. That's mainly what we discuss if we are not sharing articles. I don't think I would post here if everyone had the same views and opinions. I'm more embarrassed that we have former 1st round picks on the roster bubble than a guy sharing his thoughts. I brought up Vick the FF QB, not the NFL QB. Huge difference there. If someone doesn't see the upside then they aren't really hating. I hope not if they use FF as some sort of investment. I don't like Vick the NFL QB but I wouldn't let my emotions get in the way if I see top 5 upside at a price that limits my risk in a draft. NFL wise only time will tell if 2010 or this preseason was a fluke. Even the most pessimistic idiot here likely hopes he's proven wrong.
The Seahawks fans have all the reasons in the world to be excited. They have arguable the best defense, a power run game, a franchise QB, and a good coach. All we have is some level of optimism.
Has always been this way. It's frustrating and has had me second guessing my loyalties more than once.
Ash
Footballguy
2013 Season Predictions
OK, let's start with the record. I'm predicting 7-9. One win either way wouldn't surprise me, but any more than that I'm not expecting, both good and bad.
Overall the defense is still a suspect unit, the secondary has improved from epic disaster to below average. Looking at this group, I just don't see anyone who's going to make big plays or generate turnovers. The effort will be there and they'll tackle which will be a step up from last year but I expect teams will consistently pass on us. In the front 7 there are some square pegs in round holes, I expect Cole to get worked over pretty hard in coverage. If they stick to the left/right alignment I think teams will work formations to isolate and target him for easy yardage underneath, as well as make it harder for him to rush as he's still the best pass rusher in the expected starting lineup.
Overall I'm not sold on the idea of working towards a 2 gap 3-4. 1 gap, like the Packers & Texans run I'm on board with but 2 gap is more of a run stopping scheme, designed to keep linebackers clean and let them flow to the ball. Except stopping the run doesn't matter so much now, the league's moved on. The idea that your pass rush is less predictable I think is a fallacy as your 3 2-gapping DLs contribute very little rush. The tradeoff for the size/strength required to be an effective 2 gap player is the agility/speed required to close on a QB and finish. The rush all comes from the LBs. Think Steelers over the last 20 yrs. Remember any of their defensive linemen? On defense at least they seem to be happy to take a step back this year to hopefully move forwards in future. I don't think anyone could argue this group wouldn't be a better front 7 than what we'll see:
DL: Graham, Thornton, Cox, Cole
LB: Barwin, Ryans, Kendricks
Overall I think the D will rank somewhere around 20-25 and we'll struggle to keep opponents under 20 points.
As for the offense, I really don't know what to think yet. I do think we'll run the ball well. The passing game we've seen so far concerns me. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on horizontally stretching the defense both by formation and play design. I just don't think that works as well in the NFL as it does in college. The gap between the biggest/smallest, fastest/slowest, strongest/weakest players on the field is so much narrower. I also think some of the read based stuff we're doing isn't going to work as well as it has in the preseason once we see how NFL DCs will defend it. Some examples:
- In the Panthers game we ran a stick draw play (run/pass option reading the LB) reading Kuechly, it fooled him for around .3 of a second and he made the tackle on the draw because he was unblocked. Not a scheme thing, just an example of how better, smarter players make these kind of plays less effective.
- Various times we've optioned a DE or DT they've been able to recover and impact the play anyway. Not blow it up or anything but chase and prevent the cutback or get in on the tackle. Doesn't happen every time but NFL DL are so much more athletic that you can't option them and think they'll stay gone every time.
- The double stack formation (2 receivers stacked wide each side) bugs me. We're not going to see 3 defenders over that unless we show we can throw intermediate/deep out of it, which leaves 7 in the box against 5 OL, QB and RB. Because there's so much width (the horizontal stretch again) between the 2 pairs of receivers, there's no ability to bring someone across the formation to influence the coverage on the other side. Keep a S short and to the inside to threaten the ball and man on short throws / bubble screens and play the CB with a 10 yard cushion and I think you've got that covered pretty well. If they do run deeper routes the S can trail the formation to the inside and pick up the first guy to break inside or short, the CB takes the last guy. This is how teams often defend the 3 receiver bunch formations, except its easier because there's only 2 guys to worry about. Because there's a maximum of a 6 man protection in this formation you're looking at 3/5 step drops only and as the D has a numbers advantage in the box they can easily turn up the pressure.
I like the packaged screen thing in principle, but I think it will work much better out of different formations. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some bait and switch targeting those short passes. I bet cash money there's at least one pick 6 from that this year.
I'm also expecting to see a lot of pre snap movement from defenses to make it hard to count the numbers in the box. I'm thinking teams (starting with the Redskins) will shift a lot between single and two high safety looks, bump LBs and DBs between the box and a slot, with slot blitzes and safeties rotating up in coverage as well.
This is ultimately where I'm thinking Vick comes undone and the negative plays set in. I'm expecting either due to injury and/or ineffectiveness he'll play 8-12 games, Foles will come in and play well, but not for long enough to claim the job for next year and we'll have another offseason not knowing whether we have a QB or not. That's why I was disappointed to see Vick brought back this year. He'll be what he's been for almost all of his career, a mediocre QB who'll make some highlight plays. Foles probably isn't going to be Manning/Brady type player obviously, but I do think he has a shot at being a Matt Hasselbeck type, and I'd take that if we could be sure that's what we'd get. I want Foles to play enough this year to assess that one way or the other, but that probably won't happen, and we'll have the same QB questions next offseason.
What we really need to see is some modern NFL passing offense as well, unless we do I think we'll see a lot of single high safety, man coverage and numbers in the box to stop the run. I'm hoping it's all there waiting to get rolled out and they just haven't shown much of it in the preseason.
Overall I think the offense will be good, but not as good as people expect, somewhere in the 10-15 range. There'll be a game or two where we light someone up for 35+, but there be some games where we can't get anything going, and at least one shutout.
We'll have an above average offense, a below average defense, be competitive but lose more than we win.
OK, let's start with the record. I'm predicting 7-9. One win either way wouldn't surprise me, but any more than that I'm not expecting, both good and bad.
Overall the defense is still a suspect unit, the secondary has improved from epic disaster to below average. Looking at this group, I just don't see anyone who's going to make big plays or generate turnovers. The effort will be there and they'll tackle which will be a step up from last year but I expect teams will consistently pass on us. In the front 7 there are some square pegs in round holes, I expect Cole to get worked over pretty hard in coverage. If they stick to the left/right alignment I think teams will work formations to isolate and target him for easy yardage underneath, as well as make it harder for him to rush as he's still the best pass rusher in the expected starting lineup.
Overall I'm not sold on the idea of working towards a 2 gap 3-4. 1 gap, like the Packers & Texans run I'm on board with but 2 gap is more of a run stopping scheme, designed to keep linebackers clean and let them flow to the ball. Except stopping the run doesn't matter so much now, the league's moved on. The idea that your pass rush is less predictable I think is a fallacy as your 3 2-gapping DLs contribute very little rush. The tradeoff for the size/strength required to be an effective 2 gap player is the agility/speed required to close on a QB and finish. The rush all comes from the LBs. Think Steelers over the last 20 yrs. Remember any of their defensive linemen? On defense at least they seem to be happy to take a step back this year to hopefully move forwards in future. I don't think anyone could argue this group wouldn't be a better front 7 than what we'll see:
DL: Graham, Thornton, Cox, Cole
LB: Barwin, Ryans, Kendricks
Overall I think the D will rank somewhere around 20-25 and we'll struggle to keep opponents under 20 points.
As for the offense, I really don't know what to think yet. I do think we'll run the ball well. The passing game we've seen so far concerns me. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on horizontally stretching the defense both by formation and play design. I just don't think that works as well in the NFL as it does in college. The gap between the biggest/smallest, fastest/slowest, strongest/weakest players on the field is so much narrower. I also think some of the read based stuff we're doing isn't going to work as well as it has in the preseason once we see how NFL DCs will defend it. Some examples:
- In the Panthers game we ran a stick draw play (run/pass option reading the LB) reading Kuechly, it fooled him for around .3 of a second and he made the tackle on the draw because he was unblocked. Not a scheme thing, just an example of how better, smarter players make these kind of plays less effective.
- Various times we've optioned a DE or DT they've been able to recover and impact the play anyway. Not blow it up or anything but chase and prevent the cutback or get in on the tackle. Doesn't happen every time but NFL DL are so much more athletic that you can't option them and think they'll stay gone every time.
- The double stack formation (2 receivers stacked wide each side) bugs me. We're not going to see 3 defenders over that unless we show we can throw intermediate/deep out of it, which leaves 7 in the box against 5 OL, QB and RB. Because there's so much width (the horizontal stretch again) between the 2 pairs of receivers, there's no ability to bring someone across the formation to influence the coverage on the other side. Keep a S short and to the inside to threaten the ball and man on short throws / bubble screens and play the CB with a 10 yard cushion and I think you've got that covered pretty well. If they do run deeper routes the S can trail the formation to the inside and pick up the first guy to break inside or short, the CB takes the last guy. This is how teams often defend the 3 receiver bunch formations, except its easier because there's only 2 guys to worry about. Because there's a maximum of a 6 man protection in this formation you're looking at 3/5 step drops only and as the D has a numbers advantage in the box they can easily turn up the pressure.
I like the packaged screen thing in principle, but I think it will work much better out of different formations. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some bait and switch targeting those short passes. I bet cash money there's at least one pick 6 from that this year.
I'm also expecting to see a lot of pre snap movement from defenses to make it hard to count the numbers in the box. I'm thinking teams (starting with the Redskins) will shift a lot between single and two high safety looks, bump LBs and DBs between the box and a slot, with slot blitzes and safeties rotating up in coverage as well.
This is ultimately where I'm thinking Vick comes undone and the negative plays set in. I'm expecting either due to injury and/or ineffectiveness he'll play 8-12 games, Foles will come in and play well, but not for long enough to claim the job for next year and we'll have another offseason not knowing whether we have a QB or not. That's why I was disappointed to see Vick brought back this year. He'll be what he's been for almost all of his career, a mediocre QB who'll make some highlight plays. Foles probably isn't going to be Manning/Brady type player obviously, but I do think he has a shot at being a Matt Hasselbeck type, and I'd take that if we could be sure that's what we'd get. I want Foles to play enough this year to assess that one way or the other, but that probably won't happen, and we'll have the same QB questions next offseason.
What we really need to see is some modern NFL passing offense as well, unless we do I think we'll see a lot of single high safety, man coverage and numbers in the box to stop the run. I'm hoping it's all there waiting to get rolled out and they just haven't shown much of it in the preseason.
Overall I think the offense will be good, but not as good as people expect, somewhere in the 10-15 range. There'll be a game or two where we light someone up for 35+, but there be some games where we can't get anything going, and at least one shutout.
We'll have an above average offense, a below average defense, be competitive but lose more than we win.
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Insein
Footballguy
I think you confuse realism with pessimism. We all know what Vick is and when we watch the third preseason game and see a lot of the same things he's always done as a QB, should we not be concerned? Should we put on blinders and start quoting stats from 2010 and say playoffs here we come? No. We are a realistic fan base that understands this is a rebuilding team. Sure we can be excited for change but I'm not going to be putting my money down for playoff tickets just yet. People are way underselling the NFC East. Washington won this division for a reason. Dallas always has a bunch of talent to win at least 9 to 10 games and the Giants find a way when you count them out. To think we're going to waltz up and win this division because Vick looked good for 2 preseason games is ridiculous.
So by all means be excited. I certainly am. I'm happy to have a new coach in a new era but I fully expect us to win only 6 games this year and I'm perfectly fine with that. If they win more, great. I just don't see it and those that do seem to be trying to call out those that don't as not being real fans.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Well done and yes, I'm in agreement with your prediction. 7-9 would be a good year and I'm fine with that. Its a rebuilding year without all the parts in place - including the QB. Excited to see how this offense translates and if Vick is able to run the ultra high tempo offense. Am I correct that Chip hasn't run it yet in preseason with Vick?
Hopeful that the offense clicks by the end of the season, the defense gets some experience with the 3-4 and next offseason focuses on the D. Counting on a better 2014 than 2013.
Amused to Death
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Insein
Footballguy
I think a majority of us didn't want to see Vick back because we wanted to see what foles had. But once he was brought in and Kelly declared an equal competition, the best man needs to win the job. Vick outplayed foles in those first two games. Kelly would have lost half the lockerroom if he went with foles as a staryer right away. Foles will play and it will because Vick is either injured or ineffective. Either way its a smoother transition from Vick to foles than vice versa.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I get that. But also have the right to feel disappointment facing another year of uncertainty at QB. I wanted Foles to keep the competition close enough that the younger QB could be evaluated for a full season. I know Vick played better and needed to be named the starter. But I was still disappointed.I think a majority of us didn't want to see Vick back because we wanted to see what foles had. But once he was brought in and Kelly declared an equal competition, the best man needs to win the job. Vick outplayed foles in those first two games. Kelly would have lost half the lockerroom if he went with foles as a staryer right away. Foles will play and it will because Vick is either injured or ineffective. Either way its a smoother transition from Vick to foles than vice versa.
Insein
Footballguy
I was disappointed he was brought back. Nothing we can do about it now except see what Kelly has in mind.Amused to Death said:I get that. But also have the right to feel disappointment facing another year of uncertainty at QB. I wanted Foles to keep the competition close enough that the younger QB could be evaluated for a full season. I know Vick played better and needed to be named the starter. But I was still disappointed.Insein said:I think a majority of us didn't want to see Vick back because we wanted to see what foles had. But once he was brought in and Kelly declared an equal competition, the best man needs to win the job. Vick outplayed foles in those first two games. Kelly would have lost half the lockerroom if he went with foles as a staryer right away. Foles will play and it will because Vick is either injured or ineffective. Either way its a smoother transition from Vick to foles than vice versa.Amused to Death said:Ash said:
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Amused to Death said:Ash said:
This is exactly what my reaction was following the decision to start Vick. I see no purpose to naming him the starter. Some view it as hating on Vick or wanting Kelly fired but it truly is neither.
The worst poster in this thread could game plan against Vick. Stack the line, make him adjust. Then watch the insanity/poor adjustments/run around and hold the ball too long/turnover/injury. I'm so negative. 
The Giants figured it out really well. Overload blitz on his left side. It always creates issues.Amused to Death said:Ash said:
This is exactly what my reaction was following the decision to start Vick. I see no purpose to naming him the starter. Some view it as hating on Vick or wanting Kelly fired but it truly is neither.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
renesauz said:JuniorNB said:
at you two.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
love here but can you give me a reason why I should take Martin, Spiller, Charles, or Foster over McCoy?
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
love here but can you give me a reason why I should take Martin, Spiller, Charles, or Foster over McCoy?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I don't think you're crazy. I think a majority of people think Vick will benefit but I actually think the ground game could set records this year. The only person I would take RB wise over Shady is Peterson.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
zadok
Footballguy
While it is possible for McCoy to be worthy of that pick, it is just as likely that Spiller (will get the ball "until he pukes"), Martin (never comes off the field and Freeman stinks), Trent Richardson (never comes off the field and Norv Turner loves 1 back), or even Lynch or Foster have some serious tread left. We all know Brown and Vick will also get carries, so I would save yourself extra agita and pass on McCoy.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
ETA: Alfred Morris will be a beast this year - if Shanny decides to let him catch some passes he could easily end up as RB2 this season.
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CentralPA
Footballguy
Yes, thank you. This team is going to score points. The O-Line for once is completely healthy starting a season. Last time McCoy ran behind a healthy Jason Peters he scored 20 TDs. He also ow has an athletic and Pro Bowl caliber rookie on the Right in Lane Johnson. Love McCoy this year.I don't think you're crazy. I think a majority of people think Vick will benefit but I actually think the ground game could set records this year. The only person I would take RB wise over Shady is Peterson.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
ShaHBucks said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein said:
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I would have no problem taking McCoy as the first RB off the board, honestly. Even with Bryce and/or Polk getting some action, Shady running behind Peters again is going to slice up defenses. He should approach 2,000 total yards, and score 10-12 TDs. Throw in another 45-55 receptions and he's paid dividends.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
One note of concern, since you asked, is the concussions. They can be fickle-just look at Kolb. I'm not implying that Shady has the same propensity for concussions as Kolb, but they are a concern. Our last great RB's career basically ended due to concussion.
CentralPA
Footballguy
You're right. Many of those guys and the reasons you give should probably go higher than McCoy. Spiller only has 207 carries last year and still had the 8th most rushing yards. Martin had 6 TDs in a span of two games. Charles + Reid = money. Foster, he resume speaks for itself.While it is possible for McCoy to be worthy of that pick, it is just as likely that Spiller (will get the ball "until he pukes"), Martin (never comes off the field and Freeman stinks), Trent Richardson (never comes off the field and Norv Turner loves 1 back), or even Lynch or Foster have some serious tread left. We all know Brown and Vick will also get carries, so I would save yourself extra agita and pass on McCoy.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
But many of those guys come with questions. The QB situation in Buffalo is turbulent at best plus they'll be playing from behind a lot and wanting to throw. Martin, he scored 6 TDs in a span of two games and then another 6 in the next 14. Can you guarantee he'll be more consistent this year? Foster, he's a HUGE question mark going into the season heath wise. But I look at McCoy and I see
- A healthy, dominant O-line, who when McCoy ran behind the now 100% healthy LT 2 years ago, scored 20 total TDs
- A head coach who wants to execute as many offensive play as possible and has the smarts to do so
- A head coach who wants to score as many points as humanly possible
CentralPA
Footballguy
That is a good point. I forgot about his concussions. It's been a few years though since those right? Or did he have one last year? Can't remember.I would have no problem taking McCoy as the first RB off the board, honestly. Even with Bryce and/or Polk getting some action, Shady running behind Peters again is going to slice up defenses. He should approach 2,000 total yards, and score 10-12 TDs. Throw in another 45-55 receptions and he's paid dividends.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
One note of concern, since you asked, is the concussions. They can be fickle-just look at Kolb. I'm not implying that Shady has the same propensity for concussions as Kolb, but they are a concern. Our last great RB's career basically ended due to concussion.
I have McCoy on the same tier as about 6 or 7 other guys. I'd try to trade down if possible. If I recall, McCoy was a top 3 pick last year in most formats.That is a good point. I forgot about his concussions. It's been a few years though since those right? Or did he have one last year? Can't remember.I would have no problem taking McCoy as the first RB off the board, honestly. Even with Bryce and/or Polk getting some action, Shady running behind Peters again is going to slice up defenses. He should approach 2,000 total yards, and score 10-12 TDs. Throw in another 45-55 receptions and he's paid dividends.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
One note of concern, since you asked, is the concussions. They can be fickle-just look at Kolb. I'm not implying that Shady has the same propensity for concussions as Kolb, but they are a concern. Our last great RB's career basically ended due to concussion.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
He missed weeks 12, 13, 14 & 15 last year due to a concussion-introducing the FF world to one Bryce Brown.That is a good point. I forgot about his concussions. It's been a few years though since those right? Or did he have one last year? Can't remember.I would have no problem taking McCoy as the first RB off the board, honestly. Even with Bryce and/or Polk getting some action, Shady running behind Peters again is going to slice up defenses. He should approach 2,000 total yards, and score 10-12 TDs. Throw in another 45-55 receptions and he's paid dividends.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
One note of concern, since you asked, is the concussions. They can be fickle-just look at Kolb. I'm not implying that Shady has the same propensity for concussions as Kolb, but they are a concern. Our last great RB's career basically ended due to concussion.
degenerate
Footballguy
i'd be worried for another concussion. make sure mccoy drafters get brown. can anyone think of a good rb1 that suffered at least one concussion then never had one again?
CentralPA
Footballguy
I've tried. No dice though. I know one owner who is picking 8th that would want him though. I've been trying to go to owners down the board to 8 to get someone to trade up but no dice. I may keep trying though.I have McCoy on the same tier as about 6 or 7 other guys. I'd try to trade down if possible. If I recall, McCoy was a top 3 pick last year in most formats.That is a good point. I forgot about his concussions. It's been a few years though since those right? Or did he have one last year? Can't remember.I would have no problem taking McCoy as the first RB off the board, honestly. Even with Bryce and/or Polk getting some action, Shady running behind Peters again is going to slice up defenses. He should approach 2,000 total yards, and score 10-12 TDs. Throw in another 45-55 receptions and he's paid dividends.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
One note of concern, since you asked, is the concussions. They can be fickle-just look at Kolb. I'm not implying that Shady has the same propensity for concussions as Kolb, but they are a concern. Our last great RB's career basically ended due to concussion.
Long Ball Larry
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I think that it's certainly within the realm of possibility that McCoy ends up as the 1 or 2 RB, but I do think that you have allow for some question marks given the new system. How will it look when the games count and when defenses plan and respond to it? I don't think that it's crazy to take McCoy number 2, but I think that there are legitimate questions and I would basically put Charles, Spiller, McCoy, Foster and Martin in a hat and all are about equal.
Insein
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A couple of reasons why you should.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
First is that does have the potential to produce huge stats in this offense. Even if Kelly gets brown work I don't think that detracts from shady getting 20-25 touches a game between runs and catches. Chip wants to run 80 plays a game min so there's plenty of rock to go around.
Second is that compared to the other contenders, there isn't that much difference. Foster has been a beast but all those carries have to catch up eventually. Martin has huge upside but a majority of his stats were achieved in 4 games last year. Trent can be a workhorse but it's still Cleveland. Wheeden strikes no fear into defenses. Charles could be big but similar to McCoy. Rice and lynch all guys that have great potential.
So that leads me to three. Who would you rather root for? The guy on your favorite team or someone else. To me that's simple.
The final reason is that if you want him you have to take him at 2. He wont be there when it comes back around obviously.
So go for it. Its always more fun rooting for players from your fav team when they're good enough to help you in fantasy also.
Rick James
Footballguy
If I had #2 and AP went #1, the only two backs I'm considering are Jamaal Charles and Shady. I love both of their situations this year. Leaning towards Charles, but could definitely see myself taking Shady #2.
I disagree and am in the opposite camp. If it comes to 2 players tied, I'll take the guy NOT on my favourite team. When I watch Eagles games I want to be focused on them winning, not just hoping they feed Mccoy the ball. When it's first and goal on the 1 yard line and Vick throws a TD pass, I don't want to be even a little bit disappointed that they didn't give Mccoy the ball. I find that it cuts into my own interest in the team if I have so much interest in a certain player getting touches/scores.A couple of reasons why you should.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
First is that does have the potential to produce huge stats in this offense. Even if Kelly gets brown work I don't think that detracts from shady getting 20-25 touches a game between runs and catches. Chip wants to run 80 plays a game min so there's plenty of rock to go around.
Second is that compared to the other contenders, there isn't that much difference. Foster has been a beast but all those carries have to catch up eventually. Martin has huge upside but a majority of his stats were achieved in 4 games last year. Trent can be a workhorse but it's still Cleveland. Wheeden strikes no fear into defenses. Charles could be big but similar to McCoy. Rice and lynch all guys that have great potential.
So that leads me to three. Who would you rather root for? The guy on your favorite team or someone else. To me that's simple.
The final reason is that if you want him you have to take him at 2. He wont be there when it comes back around obviously.
So go for it. Its always more fun rooting for players from your fav team when they're good enough to help you in fantasy also.
As for the OP's question, like everyone says, it's not a bad pick at all to take Shady there. Personally I like guys like Charles, Spiller, Martin more then Mccoy this year.... but if he's your gut feeling, and it's not a reach, and you can't get him with a trade down or in the next round, then pull the trigger, it's just fine.
Ash
Footballguy
I wonder if Chip might have been premature calling time on the QB competition after 2 PS games. Seeing how they both performed in the 3rd game, although Foles admittedly was going against 2nd/3rd string players it brought him much closer on the balance of the games so far.
With Vick not playing, if Foles comes out and lights it up in the quarter or so I'm assuming he gets Vick could start the season under a fair bit of pressure, at least from the media and fans.
I wonder if Kelly has any of this yet:
Wait for it...
With Vick not playing, if Foles comes out and lights it up in the quarter or so I'm assuming he gets Vick could start the season under a fair bit of pressure, at least from the media and fans.
I wonder if Kelly has any of this yet:
Wait for it...
Insein
Footballguy
I can see that happening but that's where you need to be able to detach yourself fantasy wise. Not everyone can.Deamon said:I disagree and am in the opposite camp. If it comes to 2 players tied, I'll take the guy NOT on my favourite team. When I watch Eagles games I want to be focused on them winning, not just hoping they feed Mccoy the ball. When it's first and goal on the 1 yard line and Vick throws a TD pass, I don't want to be even a little bit disappointed that they didn't give Mccoy the ball. I find that it cuts into my own interest in the team if I have so much interest in a certain player getting touches/scores.Insein said:A couple of reasons why you should.First is that does have the potential to produce huge stats in this offense. Even if Kelly gets brown work I don't think that detracts from shady getting 20-25 touches a game between runs and catches. Chip wants to run 80 plays a game min so there's plenty of rock to go around.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
Second is that compared to the other contenders, there isn't that much difference. Foster has been a beast but all those carries have to catch up eventually. Martin has huge upside but a majority of his stats were achieved in 4 games last year. Trent can be a workhorse but it's still Cleveland. Wheeden strikes no fear into defenses. Charles could be big but similar to McCoy. Rice and lynch all guys that have great potential.
So that leads me to three. Who would you rather root for? The guy on your favorite team or someone else. To me that's simple.
The final reason is that if you want him you have to take him at 2. He wont be there when it comes back around obviously.
So go for it. Its always more fun rooting for players from your fav team when they're good enough to help you in fantasy also.
As for the OP's question, like everyone says, it's not a bad pick at all to take Shady there. Personally I like guys like Charles, Spiller, Martin more then Mccoy this year.... but if he's your gut feeling, and it's not a reach, and you can't get him with a trade down or in the next round, then pull the trigger, it's just fine.
I choose the eagles over fantasy every time... (even though my fantasy addiction is big haha). But even if you can detatch yourself, there's still that SLIGHT disappointment when vick runs in and wins the game (no sarcastic response needed here), and you lose your week because of it. Plus, when the eagles lose AND shady sucks, its like major depression mode. I just like to not have eagles on my team if and only if they are tied in my mind with another player. I took CJ over mccoy at 5 this year... was a coinflip.I can see that happening but that's where you need to be able to detach yourself fantasy wise. Not everyone can.Deamon said:I disagree and am in the opposite camp. If it comes to 2 players tied, I'll take the guy NOT on my favourite team. When I watch Eagles games I want to be focused on them winning, not just hoping they feed Mccoy the ball. When it's first and goal on the 1 yard line and Vick throws a TD pass, I don't want to be even a little bit disappointed that they didn't give Mccoy the ball. I find that it cuts into my own interest in the team if I have so much interest in a certain player getting touches/scores.Insein said:A couple of reasons why you should.First is that does have the potential to produce huge stats in this offense. Even if Kelly gets brown work I don't think that detracts from shady getting 20-25 touches a game between runs and catches. Chip wants to run 80 plays a game min so there's plenty of rock to go around.Guys, as one fellow Eagles fan to all you fellow Birds fans. I come asking for some fantasy advice (and yes, I know it's not the Assistant coaches thread).
Would I be crazy to take McCoy No. 2 overall in my standard scoring redraft league this Saturday? I look at the O-Line, I look at Chips scheme. I look at how he wants to run as many plays as possible and score as many points as possible and I wonder what could go wrong with this? I really think I am in
Second is that compared to the other contenders, there isn't that much difference. Foster has been a beast but all those carries have to catch up eventually. Martin has huge upside but a majority of his stats were achieved in 4 games last year. Trent can be a workhorse but it's still Cleveland. Wheeden strikes no fear into defenses. Charles could be big but similar to McCoy. Rice and lynch all guys that have great potential.
So that leads me to three. Who would you rather root for? The guy on your favorite team or someone else. To me that's simple.
The final reason is that if you want him you have to take him at 2. He wont be there when it comes back around obviously.
So go for it. Its always more fun rooting for players from your fav team when they're good enough to help you in fantasy also.
As for the OP's question, like everyone says, it's not a bad pick at all to take Shady there. Personally I like guys like Charles, Spiller, Martin more then Mccoy this year.... but if he's your gut feeling, and it's not a reach, and you can't get him with a trade down or in the next round, then pull the trigger, it's just fine.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@JordanRaanan: With RG3 set to face #eagles, here's a look at how star QBs have done in 1st game and season post-ACL injury http://t.co/t8x8zkhmYP
delusional
Footballguy
Sure about that? lolCan't teach an old dog new tricks.
We'll be screaming for Foles by week 5.
I do find it funny though if Vick was in there this game all you would hear is people saying "Same old vick" or "look, he holds the ball too long & can't read a defense"
delusional
Footballguy
Always really have to thank Reid & Co for the complete inept drafting the past few seasons. Really can not express that enough.
Funny thing is it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the players cut in recent years actually perform well because they just couldn't coach them up at all.
Funny thing is it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the players cut in recent years actually perform well because they just couldn't coach them up at all.
Amused to Death
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Uggh. Game's unwatchable *and* we're stuck with the god-awful "Superstitious" Bud Light schtick all season again. Its ruining a wonderful song for me.
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