*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)

[delusional]

Been a while since i been in this thread. Thought i would say hi

 

[Insein]

Been a while since i been in this thread. Thought i would say hi

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And with Detroit sitting at 5 and needing a CB bad Millner MAY have helped us make a deal

Yeah, if they can nab a 3rd or 4th and still get who they want then what the hell. Only thing is trying to convince Detroit they'd pick Milliner, Lions also have a big need for DT. Don't see it happening.

With Fairley and Suh they shouldn't have a need for a DT at all.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

And with Detroit sitting at 5 and needing a CB bad Millner MAY have helped us make a deal

Yeah, if they can nab a 3rd or 4th and still get who they want then what the hell. Only thing is trying to convince Detroit they'd pick Milliner, Lions also have a big need for DT. Don't see it happening.

With Fairley and Suh they shouldn't have a need for a DT at all.

DE not DT. cut vandenboesch, avril is a UFA.

 

[Faust]

Chip Kelly calls Dion Jordan 'a special guy in my heart'

 

[JAA]

And with Detroit sitting at 5 and needing a CB bad Millner MAY have helped us make a deal

Yeah, if they can nab a 3rd or 4th and still get who they want then what the hell. Only thing is trying to convince Detroit they'd pick Milliner, Lions also have a big need for DT. Don't see it happening.

Nice catch BB. I could easily see someone trying to jump 2-6 spots to nab him. The biggest knock was he didnt have elite speed. Clearly this has been addressed. I believe Millner is head and shoulders the best CB in the draft.

 

[Nucker101]

Pretty exciting time for us Eagles fans, lots of exciting young players with big time upside that could/will be available with that first pick.

 

[CentralPA]

And with Detroit sitting at 5 and needing a CB bad Millner MAY have helped us make a deal

Yeah, if they can nab a 3rd or 4th and still get who they want then what the hell. Only thing is trying to convince Detroit they'd pick Milliner, Lions also have a big need for DT. Don't see it happening.

With Fairley and Suh they shouldn't have a need for a DT at all.

DE not DT. cut vandenboesch, avril is a UFA.

Yes, my mistake, DE. Thanks

 

[JAA]

Pretty exciting time for us Eagles fans, lots of exciting young players with big time upside that could/will be available with that first pick.

Yea but we only get 1 or 2 and we could use 4 or 5 ...

 

[JetMaxx]

I think Fisher's and Milliner's jump in value just made the Eagles spot very attractive for teams looking to get them. I would be on the phone to DET first for Milliner then AZ for Fisher.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think Fisher's and Milliner's jump in value just made the Eagles spot very attractive for teams looking to get them. I would be on the phone to DET first for Milliner then AZ for Fisher.

If we could go back to 7, get a couple of 3's and still land either Jordan, Star or Floyd I'd be very happy!At this point I just REALLY want a safety with that second round pick. If the moved back once they should have the ammo to pop back into the first and get one of the better ones.

 

[Insein]

I think Fisher's and Milliner's jump in value just made the Eagles spot very attractive for teams looking to get them. I would be on the phone to DET first for Milliner then AZ for Fisher.

If we could go back to 7, get a couple of 3's and still land either Jordan, Star or Floyd I'd be very happy!At this point I just REALLY want a safety with that second round pick. If the moved back once they should have the ammo to pop back into the first and get one of the better ones.

I'd be ok with that too provided we still get Star or Floyd. I don't know how many are willing to move up to 4 this year.

 

[Domination]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

 

[babydemon90]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

For a 3-4, I dunno... I think a stud NT in a 3-4 is the cog that makes everything else work.

 

[Late225]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

For a 3-4, I dunno... I think a stud NT in a 3-4 is the cog that makes everything else work.

The guys everyone seems to be talking about (Shariff and Star) look more like 3-4 DE's than 3-4 NT's to me. In terms of NT, I think the best options in this draft are John Jenkins in the early 2nd and TJ Barnes in the 5th.I'm really not sure the role a NT would play in Kelly/Davis's defensive scheme, but would an edge rusher be more disruptive than a big body occupying tackles? I feel like a great edge rusher is much harder to find than a big body to occupy space and two blockers. OT/Millner and maybe a trade back for Dion Jordan seem intriguing to me now.

 

[Nucker101]

I'd personally really prefer one of the OT's or Millner at this point. Or even Dion Jordan.

 

[Slider]

I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT.

Overhaul? Graham, Cox, Curry, Kendricks and Boykins are all great fits. We need 2 or 3 players but that's easy with some money to spend and decent picks.

 

[Awful Waffle]

I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT.

Overhaul? Graham, Cox, Curry, Kendricks and Boykins are all great fits. We need 2 or 3 players but that's easy with some money to spend and decent picks.

I agree on Cox being a great fit (...) in a 3-4, but Graham and Curry have never been 3-4 OLB's. They could end up great, but I can't call them a great fit since they've never played the position. Kendricks was probably out of position last year at SAM and then he (along with the whole team) hit a wall after Juan Castillo was fired. I like Boykin as a slot corner, though.

 

[Ash]

I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT.

Overhaul? Graham, Cox, Curry, Kendricks and Boykins are all great fits. We need 2 or 3 players but that's easy with some money to spend and decent picks.

I agree on Cox being a great fit (...) in a 3-4, but Graham and Curry have never been 3-4 OLB's. They could end up great, but I can't call them a great fit since they've never played the position. Kendricks was probably out of position last year at SAM and then he (along with the whole team) hit a wall after Juan Castillo was fired. I like Boykin as a slot corner, though.

Kendricks got a second wind when they moved him to WLB. He looks a lot better when he's got some coverage up front and he can just flow to the ball. Taking on blockers isn't (or wasn't last year) his forte, I don't think he's a great fit as a true 3-4 ILB but he's perfect as the 43 Under WLB.

 

[Nucker101]

I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT.

Overhaul? Graham, Cox, Curry, Kendricks and Boykins are all great fits. We need 2 or 3 players but that's easy with some money to spend and decent picks.

I agree on Cox being a great fit (...) in a 3-4, but Graham and Curry have never been 3-4 OLB's. They could end up great, but I can't call them a great fit since they've never played the position. Kendricks was probably out of position last year at SAM and then he (along with the whole team) hit a wall after Juan Castillo was fired. I like Boykin as a slot corner, though.

Kendricks got a second wind when they moved him to WLB. He looks a lot better when he's got some coverage up front and he can just flow to the ball. Taking on blockers isn't (or wasn't last year) his forte, I don't think he's a great fit as a true 3-4 ILB but he's perfect as the 43 Under WLB.

Totally agree, I really liked him and Boykin last year and Cox should be solid in a 3-4.

 

[Insein]

I've been saying all along that I want Joeckel-Fisher-Milliner-Star. I've changed it to Joeckel-Fisher-Star only because I don't trust a surgery that close to training camp in Milliners case. If they can make a deal happen that nets them an extra pick or 2 while still getting one of those 3 guys, I'm all for it. As for Star, he is the prototypical 3-4 NT. 6'3" 320lbs, beast against the run but quick enough to disrupt the pass as well. Hard worker with a solid moral foundation and ethics. If we're going defense, he's the guy I want. I'd prefer OT but will not be disappointed at all with Star.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

I've been beating the drum for Millner all off-season. IMO, he's the perfect fit for the Eagles.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

I've been beating the drum for Millner all off-season. IMO, he's the perfect fit for the Eagles.

It seems like with a 3-4 you HAVE to have a quality NT as well as a good scheme that lets guys get free to rush the passer. I like Millners talent but he will be irrelevant (IMHO) if we can not stop the run (because of no NT) or can not get to the QB. You can only cover for so long no matter who you are.The positions we appear to really need all seem to be ripe for the picking. We can land a nice OT and CB in FA and with our first 2 picks we should be able to get a starter on D (Star or Jordan) and a safety with our 2.

 

[CentralPA]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

I've been beating the drum for Millner all off-season. IMO, he's the perfect fit for the Eagles.

It seems like with a 3-4 you HAVE to have a quality NT as well as a good scheme that lets guys get free to rush the passer. I like Millners talent but he will be irrelevant (IMHO) if we can not stop the run (because of no NT) or can not get to the QB. You can only cover for so long no matter who you are.The positions we appear to really need all seem to be ripe for the picking. We can land a nice OT and CB in FA and with our first 2 picks we should be able to get a starter on D (Star or Jordan) and a safety with our 2.

But do Star and Floyd even have the skill set for a 3-4 NT? I though I had been seeing on this thread that they're more suited for a 4-3 scheme. I'd be happy with Floyd but either Fisher/Joeckel, Millner, or Jordan should be the pick and then maybe hit NT in Rd2 or 3 if not FA.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

I've been beating the drum for Millner all off-season. IMO, he's the perfect fit for the Eagles.

It seems like with a 3-4 you HAVE to have a quality NT as well as a good scheme that lets guys get free to rush the passer. I like Millners talent but he will be irrelevant (IMHO) if we can not stop the run (because of no NT) or can not get to the QB. You can only cover for so long no matter who you are.The positions we appear to really need all seem to be ripe for the picking. We can land a nice OT and CB in FA and with our first 2 picks we should be able to get a starter on D (Star or Jordan) and a safety with our 2.

But do Star and Floyd even have the skill set for a 3-4 NT? I though I had been seeing on this thread that they're more suited for a 4-3 scheme. I'd be happy with Floyd but either Fisher/Joeckel, Millner, or Jordan should be the pick and then maybe hit NT in Rd2 or 3 if not FA.

Star would be and he even played NT quite a bit at Utah

 

[Please See Mine]

Looking at the last few posts, I may be the only one. But I really hope that we do not take a NT in the 1st. I believe that the defense needs an overhaul, & I don't think you can build a defense around a NT. Hoping for Millner or an OT.

I've been beating the drum for Millner all off-season. IMO, he's the perfect fit for the Eagles.

It seems like with a 3-4 you HAVE to have a quality NT as well as a good scheme that lets guys get free to rush the passer. I like Millners talent but he will be irrelevant (IMHO) if we can not stop the run (because of no NT) or can not get to the QB. You can only cover for so long no matter who you are.The positions we appear to really need all seem to be ripe for the picking. We can land a nice OT and CB in FA and with our first 2 picks we should be able to get a starter on D (Star or Jordan) and a safety with our 2.

But do Star and Floyd even have the skill set for a 3-4 NT? I though I had been seeing on this thread that they're more suited for a 4-3 scheme. I'd be happy with Floyd but either Fisher/Joeckel, Millner, or Jordan should be the pick and then maybe hit NT in Rd2 or 3 if not FA.

Plus, is it easier to find a shutdown corner or a great NT for the system? I would think the latter. From what I am reading, it sounds like Millner + 2nd round (or later) NT would be better than Star/Floyd plus 2nd round (or later) CB. I could certainly be wrong about that, though.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@EliotShorrParks: Don't know if Reid like Foles or Alex Smith more, but KC landing Smith sure seems to say #Eagles are serious about Foles/Vick competition

 

[Awful Waffle]

Never got the vibe that the "I love Foles/open competition" stuff was just normal coach talk. Kelly has no ties to anyone on the roster (outside of Dixon, I guess) so he wants them to compete and let the best man win. If Foles gets the job, I wonder if they keep Vick as a backup.

 

[Bernman2]

I learn a lot here by listening a lot more than I post, but wondering what you guys think about the free agents mentioned in this article:

My link

Anyone we realistically might go after?

 

[Please See Mine]

@EliotShorrParks: Don't know if Reid like Foles or Alex Smith more, but KC landing Smith sure seems to say #Eagles are serious about Foles/Vick competition

This makes sense to me, unless Andy really soured on Foles. Seems like he would have been at least as good to trade for (on potential) and would have cost less, I assume.

 

[jasvic]

Never got the vibe that the "I love Foles/open competition" stuff was just normal coach talk. Kelly has no ties to anyone on the roster (outside of Dixon, I guess) so he wants them to compete and let the best man win. If Foles gets the job, I wonder if they keep Vick as a backup.

I thought the way his contract was restructured it would be easy for the Eagles to cut him if he isn't the starter.

 

[CentralPA]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

I thought Andy was going to take a OT either way. Geno just hasn't impressed me like I thought he would this off season.

 

[CentralPA]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

I thought Andy was going to take a OT either way. Geno just hasn't impressed me like I thought he would this off season.

Oh I absolutely agree even without this trade he was going OT. It sounds like they may let Albert walk in FA so they really need O-Line help bad. Smith may not be a top ten pick.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

This and they'll tag Bowe again as well.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I learn a lot here by listening a lot more than I post, but wondering what you guys think about the free agents mentioned in this article:My linkAnyone we realistically might go after?

I REALLY think we would have to make a play for Smith and/ or Goldston if they were to hit the market.I'd say it's maybe for Avril, Bennett or Ellerbe. I think a guy like Ricky Jean Francois makes more sense for our DL.The article mentions a lot of guards but I'm thinking they go OT and kick Herremans back inside but I wouldnt be mad if they tried for Levitre.I also would only want Cook if he came at a very resonable price but I dont see that happening with the money they have tied up in CelekI wouldnt mind that Honeybadger returning some kicks for us though

 

[CentralPA]

I learn a lot here by listening a lot more than I post, but wondering what you guys think about the free agents mentioned in this article:

My link

Anyone we realistically might go after?

I REALLY think we would have to make a play for Smith and/ or Goldston if they were to hit the market.I'd say it's maybe for Avril, Bennett or Ellerbe. I think a guy like Ricky Jean Francois makes more sense for our DL.

The article mentions a lot of guards but I'm thinking they go OT and kick Herremans back inside but I wouldnt be mad if they tried for Levitre.

I also would only want Cook if he came at a very resonable price but I dont see that happening with the money they have tied up in Celek

I wouldnt mind that Honeybadger returning some kicks for us though

Lots of discussion about him being an Eagles target.

 

[Awful Waffle]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

One probably, would be shocked if both are gone. I'm fine with Fisher as the pick. Or Dion Jordan. Or Shariff Floyd. Or Dee Milliner. I just want a good player who will make an impact.Also, RE: free agents, Adam Caplan was on Eagles Today or whatever it's called and said he thinks the Eagles will go after some mid-level names, but anyone expecting a Nnamdi level signing will be disappointed. And I think that's the right move. Dashon Goldson is a better player than Patrick Chung (just an example) but Goldson will want top dollar and might not gel the way a Chung would. We can't build our team through FA. Build through the draft and supplement pieces through FA.

 

[scratcher]

Pretty much a lock Joeckel or Fisher are gone now.

One probably, would be shocked if both are gone. I'm fine with Fisher as the pick. Or Dion Jordan. Or Shariff Floyd. Or Dee Milliner. I just want a good player who will make an impact.Also, RE: free agents, Adam Caplan was on Eagles Today or whatever it's called and said he thinks the Eagles will go after some mid-level names, but anyone expecting a Nnamdi level signing will be disappointed. And I think that's the right move. Dashon Goldson is a better player than Patrick Chung (just an example) but Goldson will want top dollar and might not gel the way a Chung would. We can't build our team through FA. Build through the draft and supplement pieces through FA.

While this is true, the Eagles did well when they built mainly through the draft but still got a stud through FA or trade (Runyan, Peters, etc)

 

[Insein]

There is at least one mock draft that is hyping the offensive linemen this year. Charles Davis of NFLnetwork believes that linemen will go early and often.

3 tackles in the first 4 picks? Now I don't know about that but maybe GMs saw the combine and are thinking "year of the Olinemen." I certainly look at it as top heavy stud talent that will go first round because of the lack of top tier skill players. I don't know about how deep it is though. That's why I would still want Fisher at 4. Can't fully rely on FA to solve our problems.

 

[delusional]

I don't know why but I don't like taking a DB that high in the draft. I just don't feel they make THAT much of an impact as say a OT would. Now if we had CBs in place already ( face it, we don't know what is going on at CB ) then I could see Mil being taken. Now that he has to get surgery...no sir, i don't like that one bit. Give me Luke or Fisher & I will be happy.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

 

[Jason Wood]

We have needs, plenty of them. Right now it looks like the only ones we'll have to blame if we don't add an impact starter at 1.04 are ourselves for picking the wrong guy.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

I'm still not sure about Jordan, but this little blurb was nice to read:

His box scores may not appeal to everyone, but Jordan was frequently asked to cover receivers or tight ends after lining up in the slot opposite them. His future appears to be at strongside linebacker in a four man front, with the ability to rush the passer, or as an outside linebacker in a three-man front.

Been a loooong time since the Eagles had a LB who could cover, well, anyone.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

I'm still not sure about Jordan, but this little blurb was nice to read:

His box scores may not appeal to everyone, but Jordan was frequently asked to cover receivers or tight ends after lining up in the slot opposite them. His future appears to be at strongside linebacker in a four man front, with the ability to rush the passer, or as an outside linebacker in a three-man front.

Been a loooong time since the Eagles had a LB who could cover, well, anyone.

That was what stood out to me as well. Graham seems like a guy who could rush the passer so we would need a guy to complement him and Jordan reads like a guy who can IMO. He may be more situational in his first year but seems like he could be a star come year 2. Chip is VERY familiar with him as well.The more I read about Jordan and the more I watch he's becoming the guy I want. He could be a true differeance maker for this D and someone to build around.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

I'm still not sure about Jordan, but this little blurb was nice to read:

His box scores may not appeal to everyone, but Jordan was frequently asked to cover receivers or tight ends after lining up in the slot opposite them. His future appears to be at strongside linebacker in a four man front, with the ability to rush the passer, or as an outside linebacker in a three-man front.

Been a loooong time since the Eagles had a LB who could cover, well, anyone.

That was what stood out to me as well. Graham seems like a guy who could rush the passer so we would need a guy to complement him and Jordan reads like a guy who can IMO. He may be more situational in his first year but seems like he could be a star come year 2. Chip is VERY familiar with him as well.The more I read about Jordan and the more I watch he's becoming the guy I want. He could be a true differeance maker for this D and someone to build around.

Still, when ever I read "under-sized, but has a good work ethic" I cringe a bit. Kinda like when I read "not a strong arm, but accurate" about a QB. It raises a red flag immediately. Under sized gets swallowed up by O-linemen.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

I'm still not sure about Jordan, but this little blurb was nice to read:

His box scores may not appeal to everyone, but Jordan was frequently asked to cover receivers or tight ends after lining up in the slot opposite them. His future appears to be at strongside linebacker in a four man front, with the ability to rush the passer, or as an outside linebacker in a three-man front.

Been a loooong time since the Eagles had a LB who could cover, well, anyone.

That was what stood out to me as well. Graham seems like a guy who could rush the passer so we would need a guy to complement him and Jordan reads like a guy who can IMO. He may be more situational in his first year but seems like he could be a star come year 2. Chip is VERY familiar with him as well.The more I read about Jordan and the more I watch he's becoming the guy I want. He could be a true differeance maker for this D and someone to build around.

Still, when ever I read "under-sized, but has a good work ethic" I cringe a bit. Kinda like when I read "not a strong arm, but accurate" about a QB. It raises a red flag immediately. Under sized gets swallowed up by O-linemen.

In his case it seems a little blow out or proportion. Jordan is 6'6 and like 250, for comparisons sake he compares to the following 3-4 OLB's or guys who were 3-4 OLB's just a couple years agoAhmad Brooks 6'3 259

Aldon Smith 6'4 258

Terrel Suggs 6'3 260

Paul Kruger 6'4 270

Demarcus Ware 6'4 254

Anthony Spencer 6'3 250

Von Miller 6'3 237

Elvis Dumervil 5'11 260

Clay Matthews 6'3 255

Dezman Moses 6'2 249

Connor Barwin 6'4 268

Brooks Reed 6'3 257

Dwight Freeny 6'1 268

Robert Mathis 6'2 245

Tamba Hali 6'3 275

Justin Houston 6'3 258

Cameron Wake 6'3 258

Chandler Jones 6'5 260

Lamar Woodley 6'2 265

James Harrisoon 6'0 242

As you can see it does not appears as if he's "under-sized" for what we would be picking him as. One report said that he added close to 20 pounds since the end of his 2012season and being 6'6 he could add another 10 pounds in very little time. In that same article they also mention:

But Jordan's versatility is only part of the equation. His athleticism and explosiveness jump out at you (literally). He was dubbed as a "top performer" by NFL.com in three separate combine workouts: the 40-yard dash, the broad jump and the 20-yard shuttle.

Among all defensive linemen and linebackers, he tied for sixth in the 40-yard dash, tied for ninth in the broad jump and ranked 15th in the 20-yard shuttle. That may not seem overly impressive until you consider his size.

Running the 40 in 4.60 seconds at 248 pounds is an eye-opening feat.

Jordan's results at the combine alone exhibited his speed, lower body explosion and lateral agility, but his production was also there for the Ducks in his last two seasons with the team. During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

He seems to be getting a lot of comparisons to Aldon Smith as well. He is what I found about reagrding him after his combine on NFL.com.

OVERVIEW

Smith has a chance to turn into a disruptive starting NFL 4-3 end if he can improve his strength and tenacity and become more stout against the run. He's got so much potential. He's a fluid, natural pass rusher who overcomes lack of excellent get-off with terrific hand usage, elite lateral-mobility, very good closing speed, and a strong desire to get to the quarterback. Provides some value maintaining outside contain, pursuing from the backside, and making plays outside of the box, but could struggle a bit against the downhill running game. Smith has steadily climbed his way into the first round.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Smith has outstanding height and length to go along with good speed. Very smooth athlete for his size. Can get to the passer with a variety of moves, impressive agility, and fast hands. Can be disruptive against the run when he gets into the backfield. Has the range to make plays on the backside.

WEAKNESSES

Needs to add some bulk but has the frame to do so. Really needs to watch his pad level. Must improve his ability to anchor at the point of attack. Does not possesses elite initial burst for an edge player. Would like to see more sustained effort in run pursuit.

It seems like the comparisons fit. **ETA**

Another plus that you don't see mentioned was that he played through this injury and only missed one game.

 

[unckeyherb]

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

I'm still not sure about Jordan, but this little blurb was nice to read:

His box scores may not appeal to everyone, but Jordan was frequently asked to cover receivers or tight ends after lining up in the slot opposite them. His future appears to be at strongside linebacker in a four man front, with the ability to rush the passer, or as an outside linebacker in a three-man front.

Been a loooong time since the Eagles had a LB who could cover, well, anyone.

That was what stood out to me as well. Graham seems like a guy who could rush the passer so we would need a guy to complement him and Jordan reads like a guy who can IMO. He may be more situational in his first year but seems like he could be a star come year 2. Chip is VERY familiar with him as well.The more I read about Jordan and the more I watch he's becoming the guy I want. He could be a true differeance maker for this D and someone to build around.

Still, when ever I read "under-sized, but has a good work ethic" I cringe a bit. Kinda like when I read "not a strong arm, but accurate" about a QB. It raises a red flag immediately. Under sized gets swallowed up by O-linemen.

I don't know how 6'-6"/250 lbs is considered undersized. That's a couple inches taller than Urlacher.

 

[Snotbubbles]

In his case it seems a little blow out or proportion. Jordan is 6'6 and like 250, for comparisons sake he compares to the following 3-4 OLB's or guys who were 3-4 OLB's just a couple years agoAhmad Brooks 6'3 259Aldon Smith 6'4 258Terrel Suggs 6'3 260Paul Kruger 6'4 270Demarcus Ware 6'4 254Anthony Spencer 6'3 250Von Miller 6'3 237Elvis Dumervil 5'11 260Clay Matthews 6'3 255Dezman Moses 6'2 249Connor Barwin 6'4 268Brooks Reed 6'3 257Dwight Freeny 6'1 268Robert Mathis 6'2 245Tamba Hali 6'3 275Justin Houston 6'3 258Cameron Wake 6'3 258Chandler Jones 6'5 260Lamar Woodley 6'2 265James Harrisoon 6'0 242

Being 6'6", 250 and being 6'3", 250 is like night and day. Jordan would probably have to play at ~265 to be equivalent to a 6'3" guy playing at 250. It probably wouldn't be too hard to get there, but adding on that type of weight could take away from what makes him intriguing (ie, being able to cover slot WRs and TEs). The one positive about getting Jordan is that Kelly will know how to use him properly. Personally, I don't care what direction they go at #4 as long as it isn't a QB.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

In his case it seems a little blow out or proportion. Jordan is 6'6 and like 250, for comparisons sake he compares to the following 3-4 OLB's or guys who were 3-4 OLB's just a couple years agoAhmad Brooks 6'3 259Aldon Smith 6'4 258Terrel Suggs 6'3 260Paul Kruger 6'4 270Demarcus Ware 6'4 254Anthony Spencer 6'3 250Von Miller 6'3 237Elvis Dumervil 5'11 260Clay Matthews 6'3 255Dezman Moses 6'2 249Connor Barwin 6'4 268Brooks Reed 6'3 257Dwight Freeny 6'1 268Robert Mathis 6'2 245Tamba Hali 6'3 275Justin Houston 6'3 258Cameron Wake 6'3 258Chandler Jones 6'5 260Lamar Woodley 6'2 265James Harrisoon 6'0 242

Being 6'6", 250 and being 6'3", 250 is like night and day. Jordan would probably have to play at ~265 to be equivalent to a 6'3" guy playing at 250. It probably wouldn't be too hard to get there, but adding on that type of weight could take away from what makes him intriguing (ie, being able to cover slot WRs and TEs). The one positive about getting Jordan is that Kelly will know how to use him properly. Personally, I don't care what direction they go at #4 as long as it isn't a QB.

To be fair I think a lot of that has to do with how he playys leverage wise. Given what I've read he doesnt seem to have any issues adding weight and maintaining his speed and quickness. To test that well after adding 20 pounds is pretty impressive IMO. If he gets up to 265 he should be an everydown player for us and or D really needs what he seems to bring to the table.