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Whoever said that, you should stop listening to.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Dobson was injured during OTA's, and this is where Thompkins shined. They aren't practicing yet, so he can't be struggling. When camp opens up in a few weeks, you'll obviously have more information.
I was just kidding around....I realize in the past Palmer didn't lean on his TE but last year he sure did. Some of it is game plan but as QB's get older and maybe lose a little arm strength/confidence they are less reluctant to check down. My opinion.
the collapse of the market was very hard on me and i lost all my investments in the puncutation bank brohan and also you misspelled kia and i am not surprised a brohan like you living in an ivory grammar tower would drive an underpowered foreign car instead of a hemi powered super car why not support americans brohan jee whiz guys like you are hurting the country put america to work and make the country better take that to the bank brohan
Honestly, I think Ponder could be a steal. Wouldn't trust him as my #1, but he's a decent risk in best ball as QBBC.
the more I think about this, the more I'm agreeing with you.
I'm not sure how he has better weapons that he's had in the past. I think Vincent Brown has talent but is inexperienced, DX's knee is a timebomb waiting to explode, Floyd is a JAG, Allen is a rookie and Gates is a shell of himself.
Better weapons than last year is all I meant. Last year he had no Vincent Brown, no rookie Allen, and only half a season with a newly acquired DX. Keep in mind, Rivers threw for 4700 yards with Crayton and Floyd as his top 2 WRs in 2010. Gates only played 10 games yet led the receiving corps with 50 receptions (Sproles had 59). With a new offense, I like his chances to rebound.
Upside /= proven.
not sure you can compare the Reggie Kelly years...
dear brohan i am not so good at typing but i do what i can and soldier on some people are ok with it and still like to let me have some fun around here but not you apparently forget being excellent to eachother i guess so as my main man the guy who played ara parseegian said you just summed up your entire posting carreer in one sentence and if you had one tenth the heart of the old swcer you would have been a top poster around here but as it is you just went from third team to the prep team so get out of here take that to the bank brohan ps i do not think finley is going to have a good year td wise probably yardage but i just do not see tds brohanskis from the polish part of town
I'm not sure Housler would put up those numbers (76-789-6 on 98 targets) if he is 4th in line after Fitz, Floyd, and Roberts. Put another way, I don't see ARI having 4 guys with that many receptions, yards, or receiving TD.
I would agree if he is 4th in line, but that is making the assumption he is 4th in line. It's entirely possible he could be 3rd at worst. The catch total of 76 may be high but 700 yards and 6tds could be reasonable. Anyhow I quess we will know soon enough. Here is to the upcoming season
That looks like a bit of cherry picking to me. Arians was the OC there from 2007-2011. That year you selected he happened to catch 77% of his passes as opposed to an even 70% in the rest of his career. He also saw a then career high number of targets. Here is Miller's usage in five years with Arians:
I agree with the Greg Little endorsement. This team will be throwing this season and Little may start out slow but will get single coverage once Gordon returns from suspension.
This was in the Bloom 100 thread, about Patterson:
That's not exactly the way I put it, so I was off base. I was comparing Wright to Harvin thinking of the games when Wright came in last year. Not a Vikes watcher but I did see some of what went on last year and I did think Wright looked good.
Mentioned it elsewhere re: Kerley, and it may be a bit of a reach n' stretch, but we're talking sleepers, so it fits with the theme.... Kerley shares a ton of similarities to Geno Smith's favorite targets while at WVU. Kerley could be a HUGE steal for a team that may have to throw the ball a ton.
Dude is really quite freakish and is supposedly having an excellent offseason heading into a contract year. Jones' inflated numbers last year were flukey at best. I think the scales tip back in Finley's favor in terms of red zone looks (and looks overall). Down on Jones, high on Fin-deuce.
Speaking of freaks.......... this guy's kinda gone unnoticed, probably due to the weak showing as a rookie. But come on, he was a rookie on a team with a receptions-funnel in Marshall, a good pass-catching back in Forte and a hot-and-cold QB that was on his back more than Jenna Jameson.
I see many fantasy fans say this about Finley and it makes me wonder what people mean by "freakish" when referring to Finley. Based on his metrics, calling him mediocre is exaggerating to be honest. He's below average in almost every combine metric.
This is exactly why the "eyeball tests" in the shark pool do nothing more than humor me. He's got good size and once appeared to have great hands, but a freak athlete he is not. Luckily, you don't have to be a freak to be a productive player in that offense. Just run your route and catch the ball. I'm not sure he's been doing either of those things the last two years. He did seem to pull it together in the second half of last year, though, so I'm optimistic about him in 2013. Not sure if I'm optimistic enough to grab him over some similarly (or cheaper) priced guys.
I mentioned Millers averages during the 5 years so not really cherry picking. I was using 2009 as an example that an Arians offense could support a TE. Also as a side note the two 40 catch seasons- I believe Miller only played 14 games. I may be higher than some on Housler, but he did catch 45 balls from the equivelent of 3rd string QB's last year (33 catches coming in a six game span), Palmer wore the TE out last year in Oak. and playing in a division with Sea. and San Fran. I see know reason why he can't reach 60-70 catches and 650-750 yards with 5-7 Tds. Only time will tell.FF Ninja said:
Yes, Palmer wore out the TE in OAK. And two RBs too. That's because his WR receiving corps was underwhelming. I don't think you will find anyone that would say a trio of Moore, DHB, and Streater is on par with or better than Fitzgerald, Roberts, and Floyd.
Only time will tell, but that doesn't mean we can't use logic to predict. The Steelers were fairly run oriented - averaged 407 RB rushes over those 5 seasons, but that's not anything crazy. The Cards will probably have 350 rushes or so. And like Anarchy said, Miller was the #3 option in Pit all those years. Last year, Myers was at times the #1 option, but usually the #2. DHB got injured, Streater was a rookie, and I remember Moore getting benched for running the wrong route or dropping the ball. Either way, I don't think Oakland in 2012 compares well to Arizona in 2013. Housler will be fighting to be the #3 option now. He'd need around 90 targets to reach 60 receptions, and I just can't see that happening without significant WR injuries. He's a trendy name to throw out as a sleeper, but when digging a bit deeper, the chances are actually very slim. I predict 70 targets, 45 rec, 500 yds, 4 TD
That is roughly what he had with 3rd string Qb's, 9 games started(three games with no stats) and the same receiving corp ArZ. will have this year. Lets just agree to disagree and see how it all shakes out at the end of the season.
I don't understand Zack Miller on the list. He was used and performed well in Oakland but he was with Seattle all of last year and did very little. Help me understand, what upside is there?
You can be freaky and have average metrics.
Please explain exactly what is "freaky" or "freakish" about Finley. Finley as an elite athlete is one of the most ridiculous yet persistent misperceptions in the history of FF.
Since Miller was top10 TE at one time at Oakland, I guess that's the potential upside if Seattle decides to use the TE position more. I'm not sure that will happen, Caroll hasn't shown to be a TE-friendly coach so far there and trying to go further back USC wasn't exactly manufacturing high end TE talent. With their running game going at a high level and Wilson finding his rhythm with his receivers, I'd say this is a lottery situation at best. Miller has talent, no argument there, but the opportunities will be hard to come by if last year is any indication.
That is my thinking as well. He is cheap enough. I was asking because he is available in some of my zealot leagues that have pretty big rosters. I just don't see the upside since he had a year in Seattle already and did not seem to be used much. I can't see what might change so I was wondering what someone else might be seeing.
Finley ran a 4.82 at the combine. That's slower that 14 of the 20 TEs that attended this year. He's slow for an NFL TE. His jump numbers (explosive fast twitch) were spectacularly bad also. I've called him an "average starting NFL TE" for years, so 10 - 20 range, and been blasted for it here, but it's true. He doesn't compare to the true freaks of nature at the position like Graham, Gronk, and VD.loose circuits said:
Seeing the guy up close in person while living in Austin and watching him play. Good enough reason for you? Boy, folks sure do get testy around here when you simply offer an opinion.Coeur de Lion said:
4.82? Where are you getting your numbers? He ran a 4.67. E2A: Official combine was 4.82, but was in the 4.60-4.67 range pre-combine. Splitting hairs and really, does it make a difference?
Are you comparing him (Finley) to all of humanity or the subset of NFL players? That may be the disconnect.loose circuits said:
All hail Lion Heart, the one and only god of fantasy football. You're right, conversation over. Bye now.
Well you are right in that there have been many freak athletes who have priduced nill on the field. I do like Finley this season as his last chance to step it up. He needs to catch the ball and keep his mouth shut though!!nirad3 said:
This made me LOL
The bolded part sums this guy up pretty good for the upcoming year. As far as James Jones, I'd be more worried about Cobb's production if I am counting on Finley in the coming year.
Absolutely. I had high hopes (quite obviously) a few years ago but for lack of better terms he's been pretty turd-like. Rodgers has been pumpin' him up pretty good and the contract year could/should light the necessary fire.
