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2014 Hall of Famers announced - '15 class now being discussed (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Here's the list of 25 semifinalists:
Morten Andersen
Steve Atwater
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Don Coryell
Roger Craig
Terrell Davis
Edward DeBartolo, Jr.
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Joe Jacoby
Jimmy Johnson
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Karl Mecklenburg
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Paul Tagliabue
Aeneas Williams
Steve Wisniewski
George Young
Morten Andersen
Steve Atwater
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Don Coryell
Roger Craig
Terrell Davis
Edward DeBartolo, Jr.
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Joe Jacoby
Jimmy Johnson
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Karl Mecklenburg
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Paul Tagliabue
Aeneas Williams
Steve Wisniewski
George Young
Fariq
Footballguy
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Yenrub
Footballguy
elguapo07
Footballguy
Mark Bavaro is not getting the love he deserves as one of the last great two way TE. Injuries tempered his numbers a bit but he was a beast and one tough SOB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
As usual, some very deserving candidates will get turned away yet again.
As long as Strahan and Walter Jones get in, I can live with almost anything else they throw at us.
As long as Strahan and Walter Jones get in, I can live with almost anything else they throw at us.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Charles Haley was a true difference-maker, and he had O-tackles scared to death, but he was a lunatic. I can't even repeat some of his antics, but they can be easily searched. The vile things he did make Incognito look like a choir boy by comparison. I could be wrong, but I think he's gonna have a hard time getting past a lot of the old-school, non-barbaric gentlemanly voters
Fariq
Footballguy
Fariq
Footballguy
I have Brooks as the best player in this group. Jones, Strahan, Harrison and Haley are next in line.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Here's just a small sampling of his work.
ETA: You probably don't want to visit that page at work. Or if you are easily offended. Very NSFW language.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Premier
Footballguy
I don't even know about this. We all thought Reed was done and then he signed on with the Redskins. He had like 10 catches while Carter had near 100 that year.
In spirit, at least, when he was done he was #2.
there aren't many TEs in the hall. Bavaro is one of my favorite players ever, but his career where he was good was very short. Granted in that time, he's arguably the most difficult player ever to tackle but his knees just couldn't hold up to carrying five or six guys at a time.
NEXT STEP: FINALISTS
The list of 25 semifinalists will be reduced by mail ballot to 15 modern-era finalists. That list increases to 17 finalist nominees with the inclusion of the two recommended candidates of the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee. The Seniors Committee nominees, who were announced in August, are punter Ray Guy (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders) and defensive end Claude Humphrey (1968-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles).
The results of the modern-era reduction vote to 15 finalists will be announced during a one-hour special on NFL Network on Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 at 10 p.m. ET. - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2013/11/20/Football-Hall-of-Fame-2014-Semifinalists/#sthash.rxzF7izC.dpuf
The list of 25 semifinalists will be reduced by mail ballot to 15 modern-era finalists. That list increases to 17 finalist nominees with the inclusion of the two recommended candidates of the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee. The Seniors Committee nominees, who were announced in August, are punter Ray Guy (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders) and defensive end Claude Humphrey (1968-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles).
The results of the modern-era reduction vote to 15 finalists will be announced during a one-hour special on NFL Network on Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 at 10 p.m. ET. - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2013/11/20/Football-Hall-of-Fame-2014-Semifinalists/#sthash.rxzF7izC.dpuf
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good Bavaro video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7vW_0vL5qs
I always liked the "If Sylvester Stallone ever played football..." line in regards to him.
I always liked the "If Sylvester Stallone ever played football..." line in regards to him.
tangent, OT, but...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd6ba-xXb4 I like seeing all the LT game film on youtube. It upsets me when young people say "(anyone in today's game) is just as good as Taylor was." In this you're looking at a young very athletic Randall. If you say I saw Randall on the Vikes you are about referring to a different player. Old Randall was nothing like young Randall.
sorry for sidetrack
sorry for sidetrack
Warrior
Footballguy
With any other QB besides Peyton, Dungy doesn't sniff this discussion. Always thought he was a decent coach, but nothing special.
And race shouldn't factor in at all, but I'm sure it will. Being the first black coach to win a SB is great and important, but it has nothing to do with his ability as a coach.
And race shouldn't factor in at all, but I'm sure it will. Being the first black coach to win a SB is great and important, but it has nothing to do with his ability as a coach.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's time for voters to stop dicking around and put Terrell Davis in the Hall, where he belongs. 
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The lack of respect for receivers is criminal. The hall means nothing to me.
Yenrub
Footballguy
In 12 of the 13 years before Dungy was named the HC of the Buccaneers they lost double digit games (10 or more). The one year that they didn’t lose 10 or more they lost 9 games. Yet people are disappointed that he never won a Super Bowl there. I just don’t understand the lack of respect he gets.
Yenrub
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Time for Air Coryell to get in.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Brooks
Strahan
Shields
Walter Jones
Aeneas Williams
Strahan
Shields
Walter Jones
Aeneas Williams
flysack
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I get that my hope that Herschel Walker would get some consideration was probably not going to happen, but kind of weird that he can't even make the semifinal cut. While someone like Roger Craig can, who was basically Walker minus (i) about 10 NFL touchdowns, (ii) about 5000 NFL return yards, and (iii) otherworldly USFL stats. (But, Super Bowls.)
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Tim Brown
Air Coryell
Terrell Davis
Charles Haley
Michael Strahan
Air Coryell
Terrell Davis
Charles Haley
Michael Strahan
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Yup, Munoz is the only tackle that should be mentioned ahead of Boselli in the last few decades but the career was just too short.
Fariq
Footballguy
The cover-2 was used before Kiffin and Dungy entered the scene.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
TD was a monster for a few years, but if he gets in and Walter Jones doesn't, the HoF should close its doors.
I believe it, sure, it's just a tough one the way it played out.
Art Monk breaking the record and years later Rice then a handful of guys passed Monk within a short time.
It's difficult to properly take in.
Reed or Carter got drafted and played their career and finished second best and third best. That's great right?
5-6 years later and there's a few more mixed in these rankings.
Although Reed was second or third best, 11 years later he's suddenly comparable to Derrick Mason? and probably 8th 9th best then.
It's so very odd.
It's difficult to gauge.
Most sports offer this unbreakable feeling about a record and then 10-20 years later someone breaks it. In football, it's like 10-20 years later and tons of players make it seem like not much of a record at all.
Look at passing and the record Tarkenton had for so long that Fouts couldn't even break. Suddenly there's a dozen or more guys ahead of Tarkenton.
In any other sport it'd be normal for 1970s fans to believe Tarkenton was the best. Instead you look here http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm and it's ummm wait a sec, who was?
It's very odd how so many people break records in NFL history.
This is when we start to discuss eras to shed some light on the differences and as I look at those QBs, I believe Reed played in a different era and deserves the hall for being 2nd or third best in his era.
The Hall hates tight ends. You could argue that the HoF standard at the position should be at a level that includes Bavaro, but based on the standards the Hall has already set, Bavaro is nowhere close.
Hell, the Hall has yet to send a TE through on the first ballot. Kellen Winslow, Sr. and Shannon Sharpe both had to wait until their third season to get in, and they combined for SEVEN first team AP All Pro awards. Mike Ditka pretty much invented the TE position as we know it, setting records that still stand to this day, and he had to wait over a decade for enshrinement. Dave Casper also waited for a decade. John Mackey waited for a decade and a half. These guys were stupidly overqualified for the Hall, way above Mark Bavaro's level, and the voters still made them wait for 10+ years.
I could make a million different arguments for why Davis should be a no-brainer. I mean, the raw hardware he brings to the table is among the best ever at the RB position- we're talking about 1 league MVP, 2 OPoYs, 3 first team AP All Pros, 1 SB MVP, and back-to-back rings as the consensus best/most valuable player on the team. You want records? Terrell Davis in 1997 had the second most rushing yards in history (regular and postseason combined). The only player who ever had more was... Terrell Davis in 1998.It's time for voters to stop dicking around and put Terrell Davis in the Hall, where he belongs.
The one I've been going with recently has been the postseason success. Everyone talks about how Joe Montana was so great because of his postseason resume. Well, Terrell Davis was the Joe Montana of postseason RBs, only more so. Consider: Adrian Peterson had the most productive 8-game stretch in history late last season, totaling 1395 yards and 9 touchdowns (with a 2 point conversion thrown in, just for good measure). That'd work out to 2790 yards and 18 TDs over a full season. That's pretty flipping insane for a half-season's work.
Terrell Davis, in 8 postseason games, had 1271 yards and 12 touchdowns (also with a 2pc thrown in for good measure). That'd work out to 2542 yards and 24 TDs over a full season. That'd be the most rushing yards, the most yards from scrimmage, and the 4th most touchdowns in a single season in NFL history.
Oh, one more thing. Adrian Peterson actually faced an above-average schedule during his run, with the 8 teams finishing the regular-season a combined 3 games above .500. The teams Terrell Davis faced in the playoffs collectively finished the regular season a combined 58 games above .500.
Fifty. Eight. Games.
Imagine Adrian Peterson did what he did last year against an unbroken string of 11-5 and 12-4 teams in a single-elimination tournament. Imagine a player had the greatest season in NFL history against the toughest schedule in NFL history for the highest stakes the NFL can possibly offer. That's Terrell Davis in the postseason. Saying he only had four seasons misses the point. Terrell Davis had FIVE seasons. His fifth season was the postseason. His fifth season was the greatest season by any back in history.
BroncoFreak_2K3
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
This doesn't really get around the Manning issue, but I came up with a measure of "wins over expectation" and Dungy ranked 3rdWarrior said:
http://www.footballperspective.com/the-dungy-index-version-2-0/
There are lots of drawbacks to the system (listed in the article) but I think it's still an interesting way to look at Dungy's career.
Of course, the main criticism of Dungy is his playoff record, which was not terrible but certainly not great:
http://www.footballperspective.com/the-schottenheimer-index/
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