2014 NFL Pro Bowl selections (1 Viewer)

[Neofight]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

Irrelevant. 10 quarterbacks have a better TD-INT ratio, and 28 quarterbacks have a better YPA. Luck is good, but he needs to be more consistent.

Your 2 measurables are relevant? What is the criteria used??

Using any of the standard accepted measurables puts Luck in the middle of the pack. He was #13 in passing yards and #16 in TD passes. Even the new metrics aren't that flattering. He is #11 in QBR. I can't believe someone as intelligent as you is really advocating that Luck deserves a Pro Bowl this year.

He's always come across as a shameless homer; the intelligent thing is new. Can you enlighten me on this?

I'd add that QBR may be the least objective single metric out there. Truly a made for TV stat that does nothing to capture a QB's importance to their team or his contributions to their success.

 

[FUBAR]

Foles over Wilson for sure at QB

Roethlisberger over both.

He's been good the second half, not a great year really. But that would be 4 AFC QBs

 

[General Tso]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

Irrelevant. 10 quarterbacks have a better TD-INT ratio, and 28 quarterbacks have a better YPA. Luck is good, but he needs to be more consistent.

Your 2 measurables are relevant? What is the criteria used??

Using any of the standard accepted measurables puts Luck in the middle of the pack. He was #13 in passing yards and #16 in TD passes. Even the new metrics aren't that flattering. He is #11 in QBR. I can't believe someone as intelligent as you is really advocating that Luck deserves a Pro Bowl this year.

He's always come across as a shameless homer; the intelligent thing is new. Can you enlighten me on this?

I'd add that QBR may be the least objective single metric out there. Truly a made for TV stat that does nothing to capture a QB's importance to their team or his contributions to their success.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating

 

[Blick]

Foles over Wilson for sure at QB

Roethlisberger over both.

He's been good the second half, not a great year really. But that would be 4 AFC QBs

In my opinion, this may have been one of his best years. Too bad the team had a down year or more people may have seen it.

 

[FUBAR]

Foles over Wilson for sure at QB

Roethlisberger over both.

He's been good the second half, not a great year really. But that would be 4 AFC QBs

In my opinion, this may have been one of his best years. Too bad the team had a down year or more people may have seen it.

You know, just checked his stats and it seems you're right. Guess i just remember the team struggling early.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

What about his loses?

 

[FUBAR]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

What about his loses?

Luck will make plenty of pro bowls in the future, this just isn't his year.

 

[Faust]

Pro Bowl eliminates kickoffs, so Cordarrelle Patterson is snubbed

 

[Devine Intervention]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

 

[FUBAR]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

What?Brady has carried that team to the 2 seed, more than any other single player.

If anything, Brady deserves consideration for MVP

 

[msommer]

The pro bowl is still a popularity contest

 

[pizzatyme]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

Russ, that is so homer! Luck was ok, but doesn't deserve it over any of the other guys on the list.

Super homerism. I'd say he deserves it over Brady. I know, all in good time.

 

[pizzatyme]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes

it even more so to me.

What about his loses?

The other QBs didn't suffer losses?

 

[Neofight]

Luck- beat Denver, Seattle, SF, and KC

The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway, but this makes it even more so to me.

Irrelevant. 10 quarterbacks have a better TD-INT ratio, and 28 quarterbacks have a better YPA. Luck is good, but he needs to be more consistent.

Your 2 measurables are relevant? What is the criteria used??

Using any of the standard accepted measurables puts Luck in the middle of the pack. He was #13 in passing yards and #16 in TD passes. Even the new metrics aren't that flattering. He is #11 in QBR. I can't believe someone as intelligent as you is really advocating that Luck deserves a Pro Bowl this year.

He's always come across as a shameless homer; the intelligent thing is new. Can you enlighten me on this?

I'd add that QBR may be the least objective single metric out there. Truly a made for TV stat that does nothing to capture a QB's importance to their team or his contributions to their success.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating

Precisely: ESPN attempting to set a standard and failing.

 

[pizzatyme]

Listen, if you have the best record as a QB, you make the pro bowl. This is the metric. Well, that and your reputation/status in the league.

 

[FUBAR]

Listen, if you have the best record as a QB, you make the pro bowl. This is the metric. Well, that and your reputation/status in the league.

You have to earn the reputation and usually if the team has.the best record, the qb had a good year.

Can't remember the last time a average or worse qb started for the team with the best record for the season.

 

[mad sweeney]

Christine Michael was robbed. Hands down THE best 3rd string/inactive RB, possibly of all time.

 

[Warrior]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

What?Brady has carried that team to the 2 seed, more than any other single player.

If anything, Brady deserves consideration for MVP

Whoopee...Brady has the 2 seed after carving up the Miami/NYJ/Buffalo trio. Put any random QB in that division and he'll go 6-0 off the bat. Brady has been downright mediocre this season. He doesn't deserve to sniff a pro bowl this year and wouldn't if he went by any other name.

 

[pizzatyme]

Warrior, true that!

 

[FUBAR]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

What?Brady has carried that team to the 2 seed, more than any other single player.

If anything, Brady deserves consideration for MVP

Whoopee...Brady has the 2 seed after carving up the Miami/NYJ/Buffalo trio. Put any random QB in that division and he'll go 6-0 off the bat. Brady has been downright mediocre this season. He doesn't deserve to sniff a pro bowl this year and wouldn't if he went by any other name.

If you gave him Denver's receivers...

 

[AB in DC]

Whoopee...Brady has the 2 seed after carving up the Miami/NYJ/Buffalo trio. Put any random QB in that division and he'll go 6-0 off the bat.

The Patriots are currently 3-2 against that trio, 8-2 against everyone else. Try again..

 

[SproutDaddy]

In no way should Luck be in the pro bowl.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Hey guys the pro bowl sucks. Here is an idea to make it worse.

Brilliant!

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I understand the Nick Foles snub as he's only played 9 games but he's definitely deserving. He leads all QBs in QBR, TD%, Y/A and has 25TDs and 2 INTs. He's only started 9 games but has more TD passes than Newton and Brady and the same amount as Russell Wilson.

Evan Mathis should be on there. The guy has been a stud. Another guy who has been good on the Eagles O-Line has been Jason Kelce, but I don't know how to compare offensive lineman so I don't know where he would rank among his peers.

DeSean Jackson had a nice year and he deserves consideration, but I don't know if I'd put him on there ahead of some other guys.

The most deserving player on the Eagles defense is probably Demeco Ryans, but I don't think he should be on there.

I see people bagging on Andre Johnson, but Dez Bryant is the real head scratcher. Johnson has 103 receptions and 1358 yards there aren't many WRs who have better numbers. Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey should all be ahead of Dez Bryant.

In the Nick Foles Era thread 80 percent of Eagles fans gave up on him in one bad week. Now those same people want him in the Pro Bowl, it's comical.Just be happy it looks like you have your QB of the future and saved that franchise some dark years. If Foles does this again, he'll make many Pro Bowls.

 

[purestrength]

I would like to have seen Moreno make it, but I won't lose any sleep over the Pro Bowl.

 

[Bri]

Verner is peaking at the perfect time. I would expect Fisher and the Rams to see what he's asking for and discussing if they can/want to afford him.

No rookie CB has ever fallen for as many pump fakes as he. It's amazing how far he's come.

"According to Pro Football Focus, quarterbacks have a 54.7 passer rating while throwing at Verner. Only Richard Sherman has a better mark. Verner is 25 years old."

 

[Devine Intervention]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

What?Brady has carried that team to the 2 seed, more than any other single player.

If anything, Brady deserves consideration for MVP

Whoopee...Brady has the 2 seed after carving up the Miami/NYJ/Buffalo trio. Put any random QB in that division and he'll go 6-0 off the bat. Brady has been downright mediocre this season. He doesn't deserve to sniff a pro bowl this year and wouldn't if he went by any other name.

If you gave him Denver's receivers...

yeah and if you give Ray Rice SFs Oline he could run for 1500 yards. But the probowl doesn't look at that. The PATRIOTS are the #2 seed. Brady himself is having an average year statistically.

 

[EBF]

I can't believe Sherman has become such a dominant NFL CB. He never looked like that guy at Stanford. Impressive scouting/development by Seattle.

 

[Donnybrook]

The only player I disagree with is Patrick Peterson. He has a sub-par year by his own standards. He must have gotten votes based on reputation.

 

[FUBAR]

How does Tom Brady make the cut? And no I am not kidding. Andy Dalton, Smith, both have had better years. Now I know that they haven't attempted as many passes but statistically Brady hasn't had a good year. Say what you want about bad receivers but you cant put Ray Rice in there after a bad year and blame it on a bad line. If the stats aren't there and he hasn't played great then they don't make it.

What?Brady has carried that team to the 2 seed, more than any other single player.

If anything, Brady deserves consideration for MVP

Whoopee...Brady has the 2 seed after carving up the Miami/NYJ/Buffalo trio. Put any random QB in that division and he'll go 6-0 off the bat. Brady has been downright mediocre this season. He doesn't deserve to sniff a pro bowl this year and wouldn't if he went by any other name.

If you gave him Denver's receivers...

yeah and if you give Ray Rice SFs Oline he could run for 1500 yards. But the probowl doesn't look at that. The PATRIOTS are the #2 seed. Brady himself is having an average year statistically.

He's a top 12 QB with crap receivers. He carried the offense this year. Maybe he got in largely because of his name, but he's one of the most valuable players this year.

 

[FUBAR]

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Peyton Manning was NOT a unanimous choice as NFL MVP, receiving 49 of 50 votes. The other vote went to Tom Brady.

8:21 PM - 1 Feb 2014