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2015 Houston Texans Thread (2 Viewers)

This week's been a bear up until now, no less so for being sent into the week with that crap performance against Atlanta. Mallett has a truly impressive arm, I can't remember another NFL QB who so consistently delivers the ball to his receiver's feet with such velocity.

Luck is out and Hasselbeck ill most of the week. On our side, we suck, and are without Washington and Shorts. Jaelen Strong probably active for the first time though I wonder if they'll play Worthy ahead of him as WR3.

You know Dre is going to be itching to have a big game. Last thing I want to see happen right now.

 
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Romeo should be fired before this game ends. What a disgusting display. A 70-year-old QB is taking the Colts up and down the field. Shoddy tackling, endless penalties. I have no idea why I've hung onto this defense this long.

 
It seems like the defensive line is frequently getting beat the last two games. So many big holes for opponents to run through where the DL get completely pushed out of the way. That should be one of the strengths of the entire team. Couldn't stomach watching more of the Atlanta game to see what was happening, and haven't seen the broadcast of this one. I wonder if Indy saw something Atlanta was doing that worked though and emulated it?

The way these games have gone has just been soul crushing to watch. Texans can't get a turnover if their lives depended on it, and with the crap QB play going on I don't know how they are going to overcome it when they can't stop anyone then.

 
Greg Russell said:
It seems like the defensive line is frequently getting beat the last two games. So many big holes for opponents to run through where the DL get completely pushed out of the way. That should be one of the strengths of the entire team. Couldn't stomach watching more of the Atlanta game to see what was happening, and haven't seen the broadcast of this one. I wonder if Indy saw something Atlanta was doing that worked though and emulated it?

The way these games have gone has just been soul crushing to watch. Texans can't get a turnover if their lives depended on it, and with the crap QB play going on I don't know how they are going to overcome it when they can't stop anyone then.
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I couldn't agree more. Between the Texans and the Eagles, the two teams I root for, my season has been dismal thus far.

 
Hated the Crennell hire, fire him now. Hoyer & Mallet have played god awful so at least Bob has an excuse on his side of the ball, no excuses for Romeo with a defense packed with talent.

Finally fire Rick Smith for Pete's sake, he hired these clowns and brought in this carousel of crappy QB's dating back to Schaub instead of taking Bridgewater or a chance on some other high draft pick QB prospect.

 
Not an expert, but definitely seems like we have the personnel on defense to be dominant, and Crennell is definitely not drawing that dominance out.

Question: is Clowney a bust, or is Crennell just not using him right? Haven't seen much out of him and by reputation at least you'd think he'd have done something by now.

 
Not an expert, but definitely seems like we have the personnel on defense to be dominant, and Crennell is definitely not drawing that dominance out.

Question: is Clowney a bust, or is Crennell just not using him right? Haven't seen much out of him and by reputation at least you'd think he'd have done something by now.
Clowney is not a bust yet. He has had some flashes of what his physical talent can do, he is just learning how to play NFL linebacker. Remember he has played about 1/2 a season in the NFL so far, and half of those games (last year) I don't think he was 100% healthy.

 
I don't watch a lot of Texan football and I also don't recall what game it was. Maybe week 1 or 2. At any rate, Clowney made one of the best defensive plays I've seen this year in it and you'll never hear about it or see it on a highlight. Was engages with the T on an off T run, kept his outside leverage and ran the T horizontal across the LOS all the way to the sideline where he disengaged the strung out RB and made the tackle or forced him out of bounds.

 
I don't watch a lot of Texan football and I also don't recall what game it was. Maybe week 1 or 2. At any rate, Clowney made one of the best defensive plays I've seen this year in it and you'll never hear about it or see it on a highlight. Was engages with the T on an off T run, kept his outside leverage and ran the T horizontal across the LOS all the way to the sideline where he disengaged the strung out RB and made the tackle or forced him out of bounds.
That was week 1 vs. the Chiefs. Charles was going wide and needed one yard for a first down. Clowney strung it out and forced Charles out of bounds for no gain. This gave the Texans the ball back and a chance to tie the game (which they did not do). It was a pretty great defensive play.

 
Watt's been sick, is listed as Questionable for tomorrow.
If Watt misses a game due to an ILLNESS, then I'll believe the Texans are officially in Tank Mode to get a QB in next years draft. Who that "stud" QB is.....I have no earthly idea. And quite frankly I have no faith that Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith would pick the right guy anyway at this point.

 
Watt's been sick, is listed as Questionable for tomorrow.
If Watt misses a game due to an ILLNESS, then I'll believe the Texans are officially in Tank Mode to get a QB in next years draft. Who that "stud" QB is.....I have no earthly idea. And quite frankly I have no faith that Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith would pick the right guy anyway at this point.
At this point it would appear that Connor Cook (Michigan State) and Jared Goff (Cal) are the two first round QB picks this year. As of today it sounds like both would be mid to late first round picks but if we're in the top 5 we almost certainly may have to choose. I go back and forth because Goff shows signs of brilliance but also has had hit and miss games. Cook is the safer pick but doesn't have the same wow as Goff; meaning possible lower ceiling but higher floor.

If it were me, and the draft were today, I think I'd pick Cook. He comes across as the greater leader and this team is really missing that on offense. Let me add I will be really annoyed if we wait and pick Hackenberg because of the BOB tie-in.

 
Hopkins is a bonafide stud. Good news is he will have a good QB from the draft to throw to him next year hopefully
I've said it before (can't remember if it was in this thread or another), but Hopkins being a super-stud is based on the Texans continuing to suck and playing from behind. He can get enough separation to put up good numbers with the crappy QB's he's got now...What's driving and will drive his performance isn't he QB play, it's the play calling because they're always behind and the Texans have to throw the ball a lot.

Anyone who wants him to keep putting up monster numbers should root for the Texans to continue to suck.

 
Hopkins is a bonafide stud. Good news is he will have a good QB from the draft to throw to him next year hopefully
I've said it before (can't remember if it was in this thread or another), but Hopkins being a super-stud is based on the Texans continuing to suck and playing from behind. He can get enough separation to put up good numbers with the crappy QB's he's got now...What's driving and will drive his performance isn't he QB play, it's the play calling because they're always behind and the Texans have to throw the ball a lot.

Anyone who wants him to keep putting up monster numbers should root for the Texans to continue to suck.
People frequently confuse volume with talent. As a Texans fan, I think Hopkins is a mediocre NFL WR1 getting beyond elite target volume (on pace for 237), frequently playing against prevent defenses. He's got 230 yards while the Texans are tied or winning and 496 while playing from behind (339 when trailing 2+ scores). Those targets will dry up if the Texans ever get to a point where they are winning games, spreading the ball around, and running out the clock (I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel, though).

 
Hopkins is a bonafide stud. Good news is he will have a good QB from the draft to throw to him next year hopefully
I've said it before (can't remember if it was in this thread or another), but Hopkins being a super-stud is based on the Texans continuing to suck and playing from behind. He can get enough separation to put up good numbers with the crappy QB's he's got now...What's driving and will drive his performance isn't he QB play, it's the play calling because they're always behind and the Texans have to throw the ball a lot.

Anyone who wants him to keep putting up monster numbers should root for the Texans to continue to suck.
People frequently confuse volume with talent. As a Texans fan, I think Hopkins is a mediocre NFL WR1 getting beyond elite target volume (on pace for 237), frequently playing against prevent defenses. He's got 230 yards while the Texans are tied or winning and 496 while playing from behind (339 when trailing 2+ scores). Those targets will dry up if the Texans ever get to a point where they are winning games, spreading the ball around, and running out the clock (I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel, though).
I see what you mean but on the other hand he routinely makes freakishly athletic catches that go above and beyond 'mediocre NFL WR1'. He's definitely benefiting from the factors you mention but at the same time in a less 1-dimensional offense the target quality should improve as the quantity is reduced. If he can get over his bad habit of getting flagged for OPI yet continue to demonstrate ability to get open I would think he would remain an elite option on a winning team.

 
The Texans are the worst team ever on "rub plays". Literally, they block the defender coming across the middle rather than just trying to make the defender avoid them. They get called for offensive pass interference every time because it is so obvious.

I was at least glad that I don't think there were any blocks in the backs on punt returns yesterday. I swear, on 90% of their punt returns, prior to yesterday, there was a block in the back. Just poor coaching.

 
You know the Texans could use another guard right now, maybe a young 2nd year player, taken high in the draft who's really picked up the game now that he's in his second year. Boy, that would be nice.

(thanks a lot, Rick Smith for your choice of Su'a-filo with the first pick of the 2nd round last year. You would have been better off trading him for 5 5th round picks. your drafting record in the 2nd to 4th rounds stinks).

 
Hopkins is a bonafide stud. Good news is he will have a good QB from the draft to throw to him next year hopefully
I've said it before (can't remember if it was in this thread or another), but Hopkins being a super-stud is based on the Texans continuing to suck and playing from behind. He can get enough separation to put up good numbers with the crappy QB's he's got now...What's driving and will drive his performance isn't he QB play, it's the play calling because they're always behind and the Texans have to throw the ball a lot.

Anyone who wants him to keep putting up monster numbers should root for the Texans to continue to suck.
People frequently confuse volume with talent. As a Texans fan, I think Hopkins is a mediocre NFL WR1 getting beyond elite target volume (on pace for 237), frequently playing against prevent defenses. He's got 230 yards while the Texans are tied or winning and 496 while playing from behind (339 when trailing 2+ scores). Those targets will dry up if the Texans ever get to a point where they are winning games, spreading the ball around, and running out the clock (I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel, though).
I see what you mean but on the other hand he routinely makes freakishly athletic catches that go above and beyond 'mediocre NFL WR1'. He's definitely benefiting from the factors you mention but at the same time in a less 1-dimensional offense the target quality should improve as the quantity is reduced. If he can get over his bad habit of getting flagged for OPI yet continue to demonstrate ability to get open I would think he would remain an elite option on a winning team.
Yeah, we see that logic every year. A team signs a new WR2 and people say the WR1 will get less targets, but the lighter coverage will result in more fantasy points. That's not the whole equation, especially here. When teams are no longer playing prevent defense then the yards and catches won't come as easily. The team won't just dip in passing a little bit - it'll be huge. We lead the league in passing attempts right now. Plus, that equation only theoretically works if the target quality improves at a rate that offsets the loss of targets. There is no amount of target quality improvement that would offset the drop from 237 targets to 146 (5th most targets last year). Last year the most targets was 184. To put this in perspective, Hopkins is on pace for 29% more targets than the NFL leader last year.

Hopkins has nice hands, but he's average size at best (6'0") and below average speed (4.57). I think he's an excellent NFL WR2 and a middle of the road WR1. This won't be popular on a FF board because his garbage time stats against soft defenses make him appear elite, but I'm pretty sure it is true. Hopkins with 146 targets from an average NFL QB <<<<< Hopkins with 237 targets from Hoyer/Mallet with 45% coming in garbage time.

47% of his yards come when losing by 2+ scores. 42% of his yards come in the 4th quarter/OT. Calvin is on a 1-5 team and just caught 70 yards in OT and his splits are 23% and 28% respectively. Take away that OT and his 4th quarter yardage is only 17%.

 
You know the Texans could use another guard right now, maybe a young 2nd year player, taken high in the draft who's really picked up the game now that he's in his second year. Boy, that would be nice.

(thanks a lot, Rick Smith for your choice of Su'a-filo with the first pick of the 2nd round last year. You would have been better off trading him for 5 5th round picks. your drafting record in the 2nd to 4th rounds stinks).
These kind of picks by the franchise are just killers. Every team misses but we seem to have had way more than our fair share. Nix is already cut and it's only a matter of time Sua Filo gets cut too considering our dire situation at guard and his inability to take that job from nobodies.

Problem is we never know the exact structure and who is ultimately to blame. But the biggest problem this franchise has always had is not having a guy that hits more than misses in these rounds of the draft. Unfortunately throughout our history it's mostly garbage.

 
You know the Texans could use another guard right now, maybe a young 2nd year player, taken high in the draft who's really picked up the game now that he's in his second year. Boy, that would be nice.

(thanks a lot, Rick Smith for your choice of Su'a-filo with the first pick of the 2nd round last year. You would have been better off trading him for 5 5th round picks. your drafting record in the 2nd to 4th rounds stinks).
These kind of picks by the franchise are just killers. Every team misses but we seem to have had way more than our fair share. Nix is already cut and it's only a matter of time Sua Filo gets cut too considering our dire situation at guard and his inability to take that job from nobodies.

Problem is we never know the exact structure and who is ultimately to blame. But the biggest problem this franchise has always had is not having a guy that hits more than misses in these rounds of the draft. Unfortunately throughout our history it's mostly garbage.
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I agree with you that you don't always know who is making the picks, the coach or the GM. But I would surmise that to whatever extent the Coach is involved in the picks, he probably has the most influence on the top pick and less and less each pick after that as he does not have the time to do film study the way the GM and his scouting staff do. So that fact that the Texans have done well in the first round under Rick Smith, but have been terrible in rounds 2-4 suggest that the problem is more on the GM than the Coach because the GM is probably the one picking those later bad picks.

 
Hopkins is a bonafide stud. Good news is he will have a good QB from the draft to throw to him next year hopefully
I've said it before (can't remember if it was in this thread or another), but Hopkins being a super-stud is based on the Texans continuing to suck and playing from behind. He can get enough separation to put up good numbers with the crappy QB's he's got now...What's driving and will drive his performance isn't he QB play, it's the play calling because they're always behind and the Texans have to throw the ball a lot.

Anyone who wants him to keep putting up monster numbers should root for the Texans to continue to suck.
People frequently confuse volume with talent. As a Texans fan, I think Hopkins is a mediocre NFL WR1 getting beyond elite target volume (on pace for 237), frequently playing against prevent defenses. He's got 230 yards while the Texans are tied or winning and 496 while playing from behind (339 when trailing 2+ scores). Those targets will dry up if the Texans ever get to a point where they are winning games, spreading the ball around, and running out the clock (I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel, though).
I see what you mean but on the other hand he routinely makes freakishly athletic catches that go above and beyond 'mediocre NFL WR1'. He's definitely benefiting from the factors you mention but at the same time in a less 1-dimensional offense the target quality should improve as the quantity is reduced. If he can get over his bad habit of getting flagged for OPI yet continue to demonstrate ability to get open I would think he would remain an elite option on a winning team.
Yeah, we see that logic every year. A team signs a new WR2 and people say the WR1 will get less targets, but the lighter coverage will result in more fantasy points. That's not the whole equation, especially here. When teams are no longer playing prevent defense then the yards and catches won't come as easily. The team won't just dip in passing a little bit - it'll be huge. We lead the league in passing attempts right now. Plus, that equation only theoretically works if the target quality improves at a rate that offsets the loss of targets. There is no amount of target quality improvement that would offset the drop from 237 targets to 146 (5th most targets last year). Last year the most targets was 184. To put this in perspective, Hopkins is on pace for 29% more targets than the NFL leader last year.

Hopkins has nice hands, but he's average size at best (6'0") and below average speed (4.57). I think he's an excellent NFL WR2 and a middle of the road WR1. This won't be popular on a FF board because his garbage time stats against soft defenses make him appear elite, but I'm pretty sure it is true. Hopkins with 146 targets from an average NFL QB <<<<< Hopkins with 237 targets from Hoyer/Mallet with 45% coming in garbage time.

47% of his yards come when losing by 2+ scores. 42% of his yards come in the 4th quarter/OT. Calvin is on a 1-5 team and just caught 70 yards in OT and his splits are 23% and 28% respectively. Take away that OT and his 4th quarter yardage is only 17%.
well put. I said the same weeks ago (though in a not as detailed thread).

Still, people continue to insist that he's a top three dynasty WR.

 
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So we need a good rb, offensive lineman, a good qb and maybe an inside lb when Cushing is gone in this next draft
Rick Smith is JUST the guy to get this done! No worries for the Texans!!!

 
I hate to ask this, but is this team even trying? How can they be this bad.

Mallet missing the team plan, after oversleeping, is comedy gold. What a doofus.

 
Okay, Mallett seems like a complete joke. Surely this isn't total news to O'Brien, since he worked with him in New England. So why did he feel the need to sign him this year? He could have rolled with Hoyer, Savage, and Keenum. I don't think Keenum is all that, but at least he managed to win a few games for the Texans down the stretch last season.

I think O'Brien felt he needed people who had run his offense before. Supposedly, it is a very complex offense. Perhaps he needs to simplify the offense so that he can widen the pool of people who can run it. Because if Hoyer, Mallett, and Cassell are the only ones who can run it, then it is going to fail because those QB's are clearly not talented NFL QB's.

I am starting to think O'Brien is in a little bit over his head. I think a lot of that was masked last year by Arian Foster, JJ Watt, and a very favorable Turnover differential.

 
Okay, Mallett seems like a complete joke. Surely this isn't total news to O'Brien, since he worked with him in New England. So why did he feel the need to sign him this year? He could have rolled with Hoyer, Savage, and Keenum. I don't think Keenum is all that, but at least he managed to win a few games for the Texans down the stretch last season.

I think O'Brien felt he needed people who had run his offense before. Supposedly, it is a very complex offense. Perhaps he needs to simplify the offense so that he can widen the pool of people who can run it. Because if Hoyer, Mallett, and Cassell are the only ones who can run it, then it is going to fail because those QB's are clearly not talented NFL QB's.

I am starting to think O'Brien is in a little bit over his head. I think a lot of that was masked last year by Arian Foster, JJ Watt, and a very favorable Turnover differential.
worse for me , is that Fitzpatrick was already under contract as the veteran "we already know his limitations" guy. I never bought the idea that an experienced, smart guy could not figure out his system. i get Mallet for his so-called upside, but Hoyer has never had a season as good as average Fitzpatrick. The QB position was downgraded at higher costs.

 
Okay, so the question came up on talk radio the other day, if you could only fire one, who would you fire first, Bill O'Brien or Rick Smith? Two of the hosts (Pendergast and Johnson) said Smith, Rich Lord (the buffoon) said O'Brien. Now I am not saying O'Brien is doing a good job, but Rick Smith has been on the job 10 years and has done mostly a horrible job drafting, and ties up salary cap dollars by signing middling players to long term contracts. The offense is devoid of talent, and the defense which has gotten the primary resources (6 first round picks, 1 2nd round pick, 3 significant FA signings) is not showing a whole lot of ability right now. Special teams is horrible which a lot of times is a reflection of the depth of talent on the team.

As I said before, I am going to have a hard time continuing to root for this team if Rick Smith survives this offseason.

 
I vote to fire Rick and it's not even close. I think we need a new defensive coordinator, too.
Crennel has been a real disappointment, although outside of his time as def. coordinator under Belichick, he has coached mostly average to bad defenses.

 
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Yes, I agree Smith is the one who needs to go, followed closely by Crennel.

They've had a horrific year this year with O'Brien, but I don't like having that short of a hook with a new coach. Plenty of good coaches took a few years to hit their stride as an NFL coach. I think most people think the team did better than expected last year, so I'd give him another year to see whether he can recover from what's going on so far this year. If you think you saw good NFL head coach material in him when you hired him, give it a little more time to develop.

 
Yes, I agree Smith is the one who needs to go, followed closely by Crennel.

They've had a horrific year this year with O'Brien, but I don't like having that short of a hook with a new coach. Plenty of good coaches took a few years to hit their stride as an NFL coach. I think most people think the team did better than expected last year, so I'd give him another year to see whether he can recover from what's going on so far this year. If you think you saw good NFL head coach material in him when you hired him, give it a little more time to develop.
This is exactly how I feel. The only caveat is that I assume it was BOB's call to get rid of Fitzpatrick and roll with Hoyer and Mallet, which makes me less than hopeful about his decision making going forward. He probably needs a strong GM to help him in that department.

 

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