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2015 New York Giants - WK10 Cruz announces season ending calf surgery (1 Viewer)
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Hate to say it but Eli's done ... He's easily the worst QB I've seen in any of the preseason games. He's slow as hell moving and decision making.
Even on his TD to Randle tonight he sucked. Randle had his coverage beat immediately off the line ... all Eli had to do was lead Randle into the end zone.
He missed the opportunity but fortunately the Giant O'Line gave Randle a ton of time to get open again. He should have been picked off at least 2 times tonight (one was picked and got reversed)
The TE's were absolutely horrible ... a number of missed blocks and a few penalties.
The linebackers may as well not even suited up ... they are non-existent and J Williams was terrible
On the Oline ... Beatty got tortured a couple of times (no surprise here) ... Shwartz got beat in pass protection a couple of times including the play that he got injured
Mosley I believe got benched for Richburg and came back when Shwartz went down and then sucked some more
On Dline - DTs looked good, Dmontre Moore can beat the hell out 2nd and 3rd teamers, and JPP is average at best
I thought we were loaded with Kick and Punt Returners but for some reason some guy Parker is our return man.
RBs , WRs and Nassib all look good ...The offense played at a different speed when Nassib was is in there.
Even on his TD to Randle tonight he sucked. Randle had his coverage beat immediately off the line ... all Eli had to do was lead Randle into the end zone.
He missed the opportunity but fortunately the Giant O'Line gave Randle a ton of time to get open again. He should have been picked off at least 2 times tonight (one was picked and got reversed)
The TE's were absolutely horrible ... a number of missed blocks and a few penalties.
The linebackers may as well not even suited up ... they are non-existent and J Williams was terrible
On the Oline ... Beatty got tortured a couple of times (no surprise here) ... Shwartz got beat in pass protection a couple of times including the play that he got injured
Mosley I believe got benched for Richburg and came back when Shwartz went down and then sucked some more
On Dline - DTs looked good, Dmontre Moore can beat the hell out 2nd and 3rd teamers, and JPP is average at best
I thought we were loaded with Kick and Punt Returners but for some reason some guy Parker is our return man.
RBs , WRs and Nassib all look good ...The offense played at a different speed when Nassib was is in there.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Watched the 1st half
The offensive line is good at run blocking and poor at pass blocking
With the exception of pass to Cruz on the opening drive and a couple of passes to Jerrnigan on the drive at the end of the 1st half I haven’t seen this new quick hitting offense that was supposed to be installed
The offense looked a lot like Gilbride’s with a lot of deep drops and long routes many off of play action
The offensive line is good at run blocking and poor at pass blocking
With the exception of pass to Cruz on the opening drive and a couple of passes to Jerrnigan on the drive at the end of the 1st half I haven’t seen this new quick hitting offense that was supposed to be installed
The offense looked a lot like Gilbride’s with a lot of deep drops and long routes many off of play action
That's what I saw as well and it was to the extremes ...very good run blocking and very bad pass blocking.
Freeze the TD play to Randle when Randle is at about 10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage. You'll see Randle has his man beat and Eli's looking right at him but cant pull the trigger.
Eli and Randle have no chemistry.
If Nassib was to QB ... bump all Giants.
Giants 1st team couldn't score against Pats 2nd team D despite having a solid running game and good pass protection ... that's how bad Eli is. He missed Cruz by a mile on 1 play and Randle on another.
Randle got the blame on his miss but I think I am going to give Randle the benefit of the doubt based on how bad Eli looks.
Nassib and mostly the 2nd team came in and the Giants scored on his 1st two drives ... I dunno you tell me?
Yenrub
Footballguy
I only saw a few look ins on the redzone channel last night
I saw two passes from Eli intended for Randle
Randle dropped the 1st one
The second one they were not on the same page, Eli threw a back shoulder pass, Randle kept running up field. I have no idea who gets the blame
Yenrub
Footballguy
So Corey Washington has made the 53 man roster
He probably won’t get much run but I think he should start in 3 WR sets.
I know he is raw and probably doesn’t run all of the routes but I would guess there are a couple of routes that he runs well. Put him out there and let him run those routes.
We already know that Jerrnigan isn’t going to cut it on the outside. Jerrnigan’s height and Eli’s inaccuracy especially high don’t make for a good combo. I think Jerrnigan is a fine slot guy though.
With Cruz and Randle on the field Detroit won’t roll coverage over to Washington so he would have plenty of opportunities to be one on one with a smaller defender. Plus with the way they have been calling penalties on the defense this preseason and with Washington’s ability to go up and out muscle DB’s (yes I know they were 3rd and 4th string guys) I don’t see why the Giants wouldn’t throw a few jump balls in his direction
Sadly I know none of this will happen but I would like to see it
He probably won’t get much run but I think he should start in 3 WR sets.
I know he is raw and probably doesn’t run all of the routes but I would guess there are a couple of routes that he runs well. Put him out there and let him run those routes.
We already know that Jerrnigan isn’t going to cut it on the outside. Jerrnigan’s height and Eli’s inaccuracy especially high don’t make for a good combo. I think Jerrnigan is a fine slot guy though.
With Cruz and Randle on the field Detroit won’t roll coverage over to Washington so he would have plenty of opportunities to be one on one with a smaller defender. Plus with the way they have been calling penalties on the defense this preseason and with Washington’s ability to go up and out muscle DB’s (yes I know they were 3rd and 4th string guys) I don’t see why the Giants wouldn’t throw a few jump balls in his direction
Sadly I know none of this will happen but I would like to see it
Yenrub
Footballguy
Ok so I’m not surprised that the Giants lost in Detroit
I am disappointed that they looked so bad in doing so but after watching the preseason games I wasn’t surprised that they looked so bad.
The offensive line is offensive (yes I know thanks Capitan obvious), there really isn’t much more to say about that.
I don’t understand why Jerrnigan seemed to be the focus of the offense. He clearly isn’t an outside receiver. If they are going to run a 3 wide set I honestly believe that they should move Cruz outside and move Jerrnigan inside. That is until Beckham is healthy or Washington is ready which ever happens first.
I’m not sure what McAdoo was thinking on the opening series of the 3rd quarter. The run on 1st down was nice they picked up 4 or 5 yards. However the reverse to Jerrnigan was just plain dumb!
Saw a lot of miscommunication last night on both the offense and defense
Where was Ruben Randle?
The blown coverages last night were very problematic. DRC was abused by Megatron which I expected but it seemed like whenever Detroit needed a play on third down the WR’s were WIDE open.
Not much to feel good about last night other than maybe the run defense looked good
I am disappointed that they looked so bad in doing so but after watching the preseason games I wasn’t surprised that they looked so bad.
The offensive line is offensive (yes I know thanks Capitan obvious), there really isn’t much more to say about that.
I don’t understand why Jerrnigan seemed to be the focus of the offense. He clearly isn’t an outside receiver. If they are going to run a 3 wide set I honestly believe that they should move Cruz outside and move Jerrnigan inside. That is until Beckham is healthy or Washington is ready which ever happens first.
I’m not sure what McAdoo was thinking on the opening series of the 3rd quarter. The run on 1st down was nice they picked up 4 or 5 yards. However the reverse to Jerrnigan was just plain dumb!
Saw a lot of miscommunication last night on both the offense and defense
Where was Ruben Randle?
The blown coverages last night were very problematic. DRC was abused by Megatron which I expected but it seemed like whenever Detroit needed a play on third down the WR’s were WIDE open.
Not much to feel good about last night other than maybe the run defense looked good
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Jerry should go before coughlin.
Injuries aside, beckham was a horrific pick with the Oline in the shape it's in. A 5'11 WR for a qb who overthrows guys?
Injuries aside, beckham was a horrific pick with the Oline in the shape it's in. A 5'11 WR for a qb who overthrows guys?
Yenrub
Footballguy
While the moves don’t appear to be working out they did try to address the offensive line in free agency.
The signed Walton, Schwartz, Brown, and Jerry
Then they took Richburg in the 2nd round of the draft
So Reese gets an A for effort and an F for results.
Reeses job is to make Good moves not just give it a try! Anybody can do that!!!!!
The Guy hasn't had a good draft since his 1st year when he had the help of Ernie Accorsi
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
If the Giants were so planning to use the TE in the pass game, why not draft a prospect or sign someone rather than rolling with JAG Larry Donnell?
kentric
Footballguy
Donnell actually didn't play badly last night. You can hardly blame the TE position for the poor showing from Eli.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Unfortunately, Coughlin will never bench Eli. Our only chance is a change at QB. Eli is toast. Bad OL or not, he's finished.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Oh I agree he gets paid for the results
I’m just pointing out that when their pick came up in the 1st round that they must have felt comfortable with the starting tackles, Beatty & Pugh because they passed on Martin from ND
They still felt the need to address the interior OL and took Richburg in the 2nd
I wanted them to take Mike Evans but he was gone already
Beckham isn’t exactly small for a WR he just isn’t a Giant (no pun intended) and then there is the little issue with him not being healthy
Who knows maybe it all comes together once Beckham and Schwartz get on the field …I’m not counting on it but hoping for it.
Agreed ... he is the biggest problem on the Oline. At least the rest of the line has potential to get better.
Beatty got paid and checked out.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Some Pro Football Focus grades from last night
http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/9/9/6127247/ny-giants-detroit-lions-recap-analysis-score-pro-football-focus-review
http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/9/9/6127247/ny-giants-detroit-lions-recap-analysis-score-pro-football-focus-review
Pro football focus is starting to get a pretty bad reputation for there grading system.
They were laughing at them on NFL Radio a couple of weeks ago.
If any grading system gives Eli a positive grade for his play last night ... It can not be taken seriously.
You know who else was under a lot of pressure last night? Stafford.
Who do you think handled it better?
By the way most of those WR drops ... The WRs were fully extended and about to get hammered
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Are you just making #### up to argue about? Who said anything about Eli playing as well as Stafford?
And if you think Stafford was under the same amount of pressure that Eli was then you either don’t know football or you have a selective memory.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What do Giants fans think of Donnell? There's little info or observations on him. - Wondering if the Giants make a concerted effort to go back to Cruz and Randle moving forward. If Donnell gets another 8 targets and red zone looks again he will be off and running.
Any opinions on his measurables? For whatever reason it seems like he is described as slow, but he didn't seem like some lumbering truck on MNF.
In other words, is his involvement going to be a season long thing?
Any opinions on his measurables? For whatever reason it seems like he is described as slow, but he didn't seem like some lumbering truck on MNF.
In other words, is his involvement going to be a season long thing?
harryhood
Footballguy
Eli has always leaned on a red zone back shoulder fade in his career. Plax and Nicks were his size advantage targets on these plays. Even when beckham finally suits up there is no other red zone option for that route, other than Donnell. I think the red zone tagets continue and that he picks up another 5 between the 20s each week. Im thinkin he gets ~7 per week
Avery
Footballguy
If you're looking for size it's Donnell and Washington and if week 1 is any indication, Donnell has a much clearer path to being relevant.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Walter Thurmond out for the year
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_db_walter_thurmond_out_for_season_with_torn_pectoral.html
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_db_walter_thurmond_out_for_season_with_torn_pectoral.html
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I really don't know what to think of the Giants heading into this week. One part of me thinks they have a legit shot at making playoffs going forward while another part of me thinks they are 1 or 2 losses away from throwing in the towel and winning 3 games all year. I really don't like betting against Coughlin as he is a very good coach, but man I don't know what to expect. This is very much par for the course with NFC east teams though.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Looked reasonably good Sunday after the early mistakes, but I'd be shocked if they won this week. If they do escape with a W and it's not because Washington collapsed, then I'll have much more hope for the rest of the season.
I agree. And I'd expand the thought even further to the entire NFL this year. There are a lot of very mediocre teams. Teams that can look good one week and pull off surprising wins,then look entirely different the next and confound their fans with poor play. I put The G-Men in that category and agree with you that they could be a playoff team or win 3 games.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
A backup who is better than the starter and probably better than 16 other starters in the league.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I hope this is the case unfortunately we will face some better qb's that Fitz going forward.
Yenrub
Footballguy
So what are we expecting tonight?
Washington seems to be pretty good against the run, which I think is the Giants strength at this point
Hall is out so there should be some plays to be had in the passing game provided the offensive line gives Eli some time
I don’t think Beason is going to play which sucks because Morris is 4th in the league in rushing and the Giants could use Beason’s run stopping ability
Washington seems to be pretty good against the run, which I think is the Giants strength at this point
Hall is out so there should be some plays to be had in the passing game provided the offensive line gives Eli some time
I don’t think Beason is going to play which sucks because Morris is 4th in the league in rushing and the Giants could use Beason’s run stopping ability
dhockster
Footballguy
steveski
Footballguy
To be honest I'm worried about their passing game more than their running game. I think our best chance is if we can get some pressure on Cousins early before he can get into any sort of groove. I feel like most inexperienced QBs that start off flustered have a hard time calming down and keeping composure.
There's no denying that the Redskins are a much scarier team with a half way decent QB though. They have some great receiving options as well as a strong running game.
I'm not too worried about their defense. I think trying to guess whether Week 1 Giants or Week 3 Giants shows up is the bigger question.
Putting lots of pressure on Cousins and not turning the ball over will result in a W.
There's no denying that the Redskins are a much scarier team with a half way decent QB though. They have some great receiving options as well as a strong running game.
I'm not too worried about their defense. I think trying to guess whether Week 1 Giants or Week 3 Giants shows up is the bigger question.
Putting lots of pressure on Cousins and not turning the ball over will result in a W.
