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***2015 San Diego Chargers - Offseason News, Notes, & Analysis*** (1 Viewer)

Just purely looking at the stats Green looks dead to Rivers. Even with Gates out. Are you guys expecting anything from this guy the first 4 games or is he just not that good?
I'm not expecting much from Green anymore. For whatever reason (and I have no idea what the reasons are) they just don't seem to be interested in making getting the ball to him part of the game plan.

If there's an upside guy in the receiver/te corps this year it's probably Stevie Johnson. He'll be getting Royal's old targets, plus maybe a few more and I think he's got more talent than Royal.

 
Also, I've already gooched Gordon - drafted him in the 4th in my 1st draft on Saturday. It's a td/rb heavy league. I also drafted Oliver - in the 16th. :bag:

 
We love you Grooves! You bash Gordon and the Chargers here, then take him in your draft. HOMER!!!!!!
I was swinging for the fences the entire draft. I don't think there's a sure thing on my entire roster besides maybe Odell Beckham Jr. When I took Gordon it was all about the potential upside. There were some safer bets, some solid vets who you have a pretty good idea of what they'll do, but it probably won't be inspiring. As of now I don't have a ton of confidence Gordon will hit that upside though. I really think they'll run a substantial committee, at least to start the year. The offensive line really worries me. I'm definitely not as optimistic about that unit as some of you guys are. I think they'll be lucky to be average.

 
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Phil Taylor was cut by the brown. Claim him I say, give him a fresh start
I also noticed Derrick Lott was released by TEN. I was very interested in him as a late flyer going into the draft.

 
can keenan allen be a bounce back candidate? viable wr2?
No.

Stevie Johnson > Keenan Allen, straight up.

Danny Woodhead > Melvin Gordon, straight up.

That ADP's do not reflect this is mind-boggling to me. You only need to see how desperately Rivers relies on both the formers to understand that this is inevitable.

 
So I'm interested in figuring out where the roster battles will be. I figure these guys are likely to make the final roster barring injury:

QB - Rivers, Clemens

RB - Gordon, Woodhead, Oliver

FB - Johnson

WR - Allen, Floyd, Johnson, Jones

TE - Gates, Green, Phillips

OT - Dunlap, Fluker, Barksdale

G - Franklin, Troutman

C - Watt, Robinson

DT - Carrethers, Lissemore, Unrein

DE - Liuget, Mathews, Reyes

OLB - Ingram, Attaochu, Williams

ILB - Teo, Butler, Perryman, Conner

CB - Flowers, Verrett, Robinson, Mager

S - Weddle, Wilson, Addae, Stuckey

PK - Novak

P - Scifres

LS - Windt

That is 44 players, leaving 9 spots for everyone else. IMO that probably breaks down something like this:

1 RB - Likely Brown, unfortunately.

1 WR - I expect Ingram to secure his roster spot as the #4 WR.

2 OL - I think Hairston will claim one of these spots, not sure about the other... Wiggins or Sirles?

2 DL - Presumably 2 of Philon, Palepoi, and Square. Would love to see another free agency signing here, but not expecting it. I suspect Philon has an edge since he is young and viewed as a project with good upside.

1 OLB - This is Emanuel's to win.

2 DB - I expect Williams to make it. Can Davis hold off the others? Davis adds versatility in the return game, but that may not help him with the Jones signing.

I suppose Pettis or Titus Davis could surprise and push the team to 6 WRs in its final 53. If the team goes with 6 WRs, I guess that implies 1 fewer OL, DL, or DB than I show here. Given the injuries last season at OL and CB, IMO it would be tough to go with a 6th WR over a 9th OL or 10th DB.

Thoughts?
No one ever commented on this. Any thoughts?

Barksdale was signed after this post, so made a couple changes above.
BFTB says this should be the final 53:

QB - Rivers, Clemens,Sorenson
RB - Gordon, Woodhead, Oliver
FB - Johnson
WR - Allen, Floyd, Johnson, Jones, Inman, Herndon, Williams
TE - Gates, Green, Phillips, Miller
OL - Dunlap, Fluker, Barksdale, Franklin, Troutman, Watt, Robinson, Sirles, Hairston, Wiggins
DL - Carrethers, Lissemore, Unrein, Liuget, Mathews, Reyes, Philon, Square
OLB - Ingram, Attaochu, Williams, Emmanuel, Law, Mueller
ILB - Teo, Butler, Perryman, Conner, Dzubnar
CB - Flowers, Verrett, Robinson, Mager, Williams
S - Weddle, Wilson, Addae, Stuckey
PK - Novak
P - Scifres
LS - Windt

This shows 54 players, because it shows Gates, who won't count against the 53 man roster during his suspension.

Notably, this roster would mean the team cuts Clemens, Jacoby Jones, and Donald Brown. I expect Jones and Brown to make the final roster, presumably instead of WR Herndon and WR Williams. Not sure about Clemens. As the author points out, Clemens and Sorenson have both been terrible, but Clemens costs a lot more. My guess is the team will keep Clemens based on his experience.

That leaves Troutman and Tourek Williams to resolve. Supposedly Troutman will be back in a few weeks, which suggests they will keep him on the active roster, and someone else has to go. Then maybe Williams goes on IR, whether designated to return or not.

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They need to find a way to hold on to Tyrell Williams. He's a project, he'll have to be taught how to be better with his hands, and he looked pretty lost out there on special teams, but he's got a ton of potential. I'd think some other team will pick him up if they try to sneak him to the practice squad.

I doubt they cut Donald Brown. Given Woodhead's injury history, going into the season with only 3 backs seems like a bad idea.

I'd like to see them find a way to keep Herndon too. As I said earlier, I think Inman would be the guy to go in that case. I'd rather have Herndon than Jacoby Jones. They'll probably try and get Herndon to the practice squad.

I think I'd rather see them keep Sorenson than Clemens. If Rivers is out for any appreciable amount of time, the Chargers aren't going to win anything with Clemens in there, so what's the point of keeping him? I watched most of the preseason games and Sorenson looks like he's made some good progress. He's got an unbelievable arm. And he'd be cheaper.

I hope Ariguzo makes it to the practice squad.

Also, as I said earlier, I think they should keep Lambo and let Novak go.

 
It's really cool listening to Telesco speak. He has all the stats/weights etc, even UDFA guys, memorized.

 
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I think I'd rather see them keep Sorenson than Clemens. If Rivers is out for any appreciable amount of time, the Chargers aren't going to win anything with Clemens in there, so what's the point of keeping him? I watched most of the preseason games and Sorenson looks like he's made some good progress. He's got an unbelievable arm. And he'd be cheaper.
I think it's generally completely impossible to evaluate quarterbacks during the preseason. You can tell who can throw the ball 75 yards instead of only 65 yards, but that seldom matters. You can't tell anything about who can execute a game plan (because there isn't one) or who can read defenses (because there's generally nothing to read) or anything else that actually matters during the season. Preseason is good for watching one-on-one matchups between players, but quarterbacks don't have one-on-one matchups.

Ryan Leaf looked better than Peyton Manning during the preseason. Joey Harrington was awesome during the preseason.

It doesn't matter.

I have no clue whether Clemons is better than Sorensen. I kind of like Sorensen just because he reminds me of Matt Saracen. But I would not change my mind about either Clemons or Sorensen based on anything that happened in the preseason.

 
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They need to find a way to hold on to Tyrell Williams. He's a project, he'll have to be taught how to be better with his hands, and he looked pretty lost out there on special teams, but he's got a ton of potential. I'd think some other team will pick him up if they try to sneak him to the practice squad.

I doubt they cut Donald Brown. Given Woodhead's injury history, going into the season with only 3 backs seems like a bad idea.

I'd like to see them find a way to keep Herndon too. As I said earlier, I think Inman would be the guy to go in that case. I'd rather have Herndon than Jacoby Jones. They'll probably try and get Herndon to the practice squad.

I think I'd rather see them keep Sorenson than Clemens. If Rivers is out for any appreciable amount of time, the Chargers aren't going to win anything with Clemens in there, so what's the point of keeping him? I watched most of the preseason games and Sorenson looks like he's made some good progress. He's got an unbelievable arm. And he'd be cheaper.

I hope Ariguzo makes it to the practice squad.

Also, as I said earlier, I think they should keep Lambo and let Novak go.
I'm def stashing Tyrell Williams at the end if this year if he shows anything. Would like to see him add 5+ pounds but he looks really good sometimes.

 
I hope SD takes a long look at Nix(HOU)NT and Richardson(BUF)OG. Most of the experts were mocking Nix as the SD first round draft choice last year. Richardson may not set the world on fire but the devil you don't know must be better than Troutman/Wiggins.

I still have a big shrug for the backup QB, if either has to play the season is over. I don't generally like Bucky Brooks but he was mentioning the best two potential landing spots for RGIII and one of the two was SD. He cited the fact McCoy has built a successful offense around anyone ranging from Manning to Tebow and he was able to coax a pro-bowl season out of Delhomme as a QB coach. I thought that was interesting.... again, could it really end any worse than what would happen if the two scrubs they currently have were forced into action? WAS is going to cut that guy rather than risk owing him $16mil if he gets hurt so the cost to acquire him would be next to nothing. The backup QB situation will bite SD eventually.... some might say it already has. Rivers was obviously playing injured at the end of last year and if he could have taken a few weeks off to heal and finish the last few games healthier maybe they would have made the playoffs.

I sure am glad SD doesn't run things like those idiot's in GB. They had a HOF qb in Favre and they wasted a first rounder on Rodgers. Now they have blown another high(5th rounder) draft pick on Hundley. Nincompoops.

 
I think I'd rather see them keep Sorenson than Clemens. If Rivers is out for any appreciable amount of time, the Chargers aren't going to win anything with Clemens in there, so what's the point of keeping him? I watched most of the preseason games and Sorenson looks like he's made some good progress. He's got an unbelievable arm. And he'd be cheaper.
I think it's generally completely impossible to evaluate quarterbacks during the preseason. You can tell who can throw the ball 75 yards instead of only 65 yards, but that seldom matters. You can't tell anything about who can execute a game plan (because there isn't one) or who can read defenses (because there's generally nothing to read) or anything else that actually matters during the season. Preseason is good for watching one-on-one matchups between players, but quarterbacks don't have one-on-one matchups.

Ryan Leaf looked better than Peyton Manning during the preseason. Joey Harrington was awesome during the preseason.

It doesn't matter.

I have no clue whether Clemons is better than Sorensen. I kind of like Sorensen just because he reminds me of Matt Saracen. But I would not change my mind about either Clemons or Sorensen based on anything that happened in the preseason.
That doesn't make much sense to me. I imagine the staff can actually learn a great deal about these guys during preseason as a whole. They've had Sorenson around off and on for the last two years, and he's looked much better this preseason than he has previously. He's developed some touch on his throws, his decision making has been better, etc.

Sorenson probably isn't the QB of the future. Clemons definitely isn't. I don't think Clemons can lead this team to a win if Rivers is out - so why keep him? Why not see if you can develop Sorenson?

 
Nix and Phil Taylor please. I heard that Phil was talking to Pittsburgh
Left without a contract.

I dunno why so many people are scared away because of health. Sign him, PUP him, and if you actually do make the playoffs.... maybe you end up with a run stuffing starter at NT for the second half od the season and the playoffs. By the time Taylor off PUP you have had enough time to evaluate if Nix is a fit or a complete bust. What is the downside? SD offers the best chance for either of them to start and revive their career. Most attractive landing spot in the league if you are a NT imo.

 
So I'm interested in figuring out where the roster battles will be. I figure these guys are likely to make the final roster barring injury:

QB - Rivers, Clemens

RB - Gordon, Woodhead, Oliver

FB - Johnson

WR - Allen, Floyd, Johnson, Jones

TE - Gates, Green, Phillips

OT - Dunlap, Fluker, Barksdale

G - Franklin, Troutman

C - Watt, Robinson

DT - Carrethers, Lissemore, Unrein

DE - Liuget, Mathews, Reyes

OLB - Ingram, Attaochu, Williams

ILB - Teo, Butler, Perryman, Conner

CB - Flowers, Verrett, Robinson, Mager

S - Weddle, Wilson, Addae, Stuckey

PK - Novak

P - Scifres

LS - Windt

That is 44 players, leaving 9 spots for everyone else. IMO that probably breaks down something like this:

1 RB - Likely Brown, unfortunately.

1 WR - I expect Ingram to secure his roster spot as the #4 WR.

2 OL - I think Hairston will claim one of these spots, not sure about the other... Wiggins or Sirles?

2 DL - Presumably 2 of Philon, Palepoi, and Square. Would love to see another free agency signing here, but not expecting it. I suspect Philon has an edge since he is young and viewed as a project with good upside.

1 OLB - This is Emanuel's to win.

2 DB - I expect Williams to make it. Can Davis hold off the others? Davis adds versatility in the return game, but that may not help him with the Jones signing.

I suppose Pettis or Titus Davis could surprise and push the team to 6 WRs in its final 53. If the team goes with 6 WRs, I guess that implies 1 fewer OL, DL, or DB than I show here. Given the injuries last season at OL and CB, IMO it would be tough to go with a 6th WR over a 9th OL or 10th DB.

Thoughts?
No one ever commented on this. Any thoughts?

Barksdale was signed after this post, so made a couple changes above.
BFTB says this should be the final 53:

QB - Rivers, Clemens,Sorenson
RB - Gordon, Woodhead, Oliver
FB - Johnson
WR - Allen, Floyd, Johnson, Jones, Inman, Herndon, Williams
TE - Gates, Green, Phillips, Miller
OL - Dunlap, Fluker, Barksdale, Franklin, Troutman, Watt, Robinson, Sirles, Hairston, Wiggins
DL - Carrethers, Lissemore, Unrein, Liuget, Mathews, Reyes, Philon, Square
OLB - Ingram, Attaochu, Williams, Emmanuel, Law, Mueller
ILB - Teo, Butler, Perryman, Conner, Dzubnar
CB - Flowers, Verrett, Robinson, Mager, Williams
S - Weddle, Wilson, Addae, Stuckey
PK - Novak
P - Scifres
LS - Windt

This shows 54 players, because it shows Gates, who won't count against the 53 man roster during his suspension.

Notably, this roster would mean the team cuts Clemens, Jacoby Jones, and Donald Brown. I expect Jones and Brown to make the final roster, presumably instead of WR Herndon and WR Williams. Not sure about Clemens. As the author points out, Clemens and Sorenson have both been terrible, but Clemens costs a lot more. My guess is the team will keep Clemens based on his experience.

That leaves Troutman and Tourek Williams to resolve. Supposedly Troutman will be back in a few weeks, which suggests they will keep him on the active roster, and someone else has to go. Then maybe Williams goes on IR, whether designated to return or not.

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That Dline is terrible.

 
Reportedly:

- Novak cut. Surprising IMO. Lambo should be better on kickoffs and has a stronger leg for long FGs, but Novak was really accurate...

- Tyrell Williams made the 53, and Herndon did not.

- Sirles traded to Vikings, reportedly for their 2016 6th round pick. If true, that is a good trade IMO.

- As expected, Clemens, Brown, Jones, and Inman made it, along with all of this year's draft picks.

 
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Seems about right. Glad they're giving Lambo a shot. It'd be a big boost for this team if he can reduce all kickoffs to touchbacks.

Hope they can sneak Herndon and Chi Chi through to the practice squad.

And yeah, that defensive line personnel is going to have problems controlling the line of scrimmage.

ETA: Glad they put Tyrell Williams on the roster. I imagine he won't be getting much PT early in the season, as he's pretty rough around the edges, but it'd be nice if he could develop into Floyd's replacement over the course of the season. Seems like he was filling Allen's role in the preseason, but I'd like to think he could do well on the other side of the field. :shrug: Anyway, if there are any dynasty type folks reading this thread, he's a guy to keep an eye on.

 
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I couldn't get Gordon in my draft. He just has no value because he keeps getting picked too high for my taste. I grabbed David Cobb, Matt Jones, and Duke Johnson 5-7 rounds later. I really dislike taking rookie RBs in round 4.

 
I couldn't get Gordon in my draft. He just has no value because he keeps getting picked too high for my taste. I grabbed David Cobb, Matt Jones, and Duke Johnson 5-7 rounds later. I really dislike taking rookie RBs in round 4.
I've been having buyers remorse on him in the league I took him in the 4th last week. I purposefully avoided him in a draft I had last night. I think it'll take a Woodhead injury for Gordon to be a top 24 FF running back this year.

 
Really think SD should also take a look at Yankey. When he came out of Stanford he was projected as a prospect at LG, C, RG. Can't be any worse than their backup C now.

Tre McBride is going to get claimed by someone. I would love to see SD claim him and groom him to take over for Malcolm Floyd next year. His ceiling is much, much higher than Inman.

Maybe not right now, but if there are any injuries to a S I think they should have Holliman(PIT) on speed dial. Not a great athlete but a very good football player that is always around the ball. It's tough for a guy like that to get a chance because he can play S well but doesn't play special teams well enough to be a backup S.

 
I am surprised they got rid of Phillips and Novak. Both were overpriced.
Agree on both, but I wonder if either would have been willing to take a pay cut, or if the coaching staff just felt that their replacements were better regardless.

 
Seems about right. Glad they're giving Lambo a shot. It'd be a big boost for this team if he can reduce all kickoffs to touchbacks.
This preseason:

Novak: 6 kickoffs, 2 touchbacks, others returned from 4, 3, -4, and -5 yard lines.

Lambo: 9 kickoffs, 4 touchbacks (1 kicked off from the 50), others returned from 4, 2, -5, -9, and -9 yard lines.

Doesn't really seem like enough of a difference to trust a rookie over Novak in crucial FG situations, though I'm sure they saw a much larger sample size in practice. I hope he works out, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a game lost this season on a missed FG.

ETA: Glad they put Tyrell Williams on the roster. I imagine he won't be getting much PT early in the season, as he's pretty rough around the edges, but it'd be nice if he could develop into Floyd's replacement over the course of the season. Seems like he was filling Allen's role in the preseason, but I'd like to think he could do well on the other side of the field. :shrug: Anyway, if there are any dynasty type folks reading this thread, he's a guy to keep an eye on.
He seems like a project. I'm surprised they kept him, as it is hard to see him getting any snaps on offense over the other 5 WRs. Really, how much could he possibly play over Allen, Floyd, or Johnson? And if he is going to play much over Inman, why keep Inman? Seems like a strange decision IMO, and I'm guessing he will typically be inactive on gameday.

 
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ETA: Glad they put Tyrell Williams on the roster. I imagine he won't be getting much PT early in the season, as he's pretty rough around the edges, but it'd be nice if he could develop into Floyd's replacement over the course of the season. Seems like he was filling Allen's role in the preseason, but I'd like to think he could do well on the other side of the field. :shrug: Anyway, if there are any dynasty type folks reading this thread, he's a guy to keep an eye on.
Just watched the plays he was involved in........Wow.

I want to grab him now before he starts showing more during games but I have no room. Dude looks legit to me.

 
Seems about right. Glad they're giving Lambo a shot. It'd be a big boost for this team if he can reduce all kickoffs to touchbacks.
This preseason:

Novak: 6 kickoffs, 2 touchbacks, others returned from 4, 3, -4, and -5 yard lines.

Lambo: 9 kickoffs, 4 touchbacks (1 kicked off from the 50), others returned from 4, 2, -5, -9, and -9 yard lines.

Doesn't really seem like enough of a difference to trust a rookie over Novak in crucial FG situations, though I'm sure they saw a much larger sample size in practice. I hope he works out, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a game lost this season on a missed FG.

ETA: Glad they put Tyrell Williams on the roster. I imagine he won't be getting much PT early in the season, as he's pretty rough around the edges, but it'd be nice if he could develop into Floyd's replacement over the course of the season. Seems like he was filling Allen's role in the preseason, but I'd like to think he could do well on the other side of the field. :shrug: Anyway, if there are any dynasty type folks reading this thread, he's a guy to keep an eye on.
He seems like a project. I'm surprised they kept him, as it is hard to see him getting any snaps on offense over the other 5 WRs. Really, how much could he possibly play over Allen, Floyd, or Johnson? And if he is going to play much over Inman, why keep Inman? Seems like a strange decision IMO, and I'm guessing he will typically be inactive on gameday.
Just from the stats you gave, it seems obvious Lambo is significantly better on kickoffs than Novak. He also did well on his field goal attempts in pre season. That one he kicked off from the 50 almost made it into the stands.

Given how shallow a lot of other NFL rosters are in the WR department right now, I'm pretty sure Tyrell would have gotten nabbed by someone else if they didn't put him on the 53 man roster. He might be as good as some guys who will be starting for other teams week 1 right now (Carolina for instance). We'll see how it goes in terms of playing time. Hopefully they don't need him early, but there are always injuries. If he can learn to catch consistently I could see him passing Inman on the depth chart this year. As it is now, Inman is probably a little more dependable.

 
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ETA: Glad they put Tyrell Williams on the roster. I imagine he won't be getting much PT early in the season, as he's pretty rough around the edges, but it'd be nice if he could develop into Floyd's replacement over the course of the season. Seems like he was filling Allen's role in the preseason, but I'd like to think he could do well on the other side of the field. :shrug: Anyway, if there are any dynasty type folks reading this thread, he's a guy to keep an eye on.
Just watched the plays he was involved in........Wow.

I want to grab him now before he starts showing more during games but I have no room. Dude looks legit to me.
You can wait. He won't play much, if at all, until later in the season or if injuries hit sooner than that. Just have a quick claiming trigger finger when the time comes.

 
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.

 
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
If preseason is anything to go by, he's got concentration/hands problems.

 
I am surprised they got rid of Phillips and Novak. Both were overpriced.
Agree on both, but I wonder if either would have been willing to take a pay cut, or if the coaching staff just felt that their replacements were better regardless.
I would have bet the house Phillips would be kept due to the Gates suspension.

You know my stance on FG kickers already.... you either have one of the best in the game and pay him, or if you are a team expected to go deep into the playoffs pay one of the better guys. ELSE, just have an open competition every year and pay the minimum. Sounds like the new guy has a stronger leg. If he isn't accurate it won't be hard to find another. Novak wasn't all that highly touted.

 
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
If preseason is anything to go by, he's got concentration/hands problems.
I like how you included concentration in that statement. He snatched the ball out of the air too. A couple passes were bad throws but one for sure was a bad drop. He's def a work in progress.

 
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
I want to like Williams, but he should have been crushing it against DII competition and he really didn't. The small school guys can surprise though, so definitely worth keeping an eye one.
If preseason is anything to go by, he's got concentration/hands problems.
I like how you included concentration in that statement. He snatched the ball out of the air too. A couple passes were bad throws but one for sure was a bad drop. He's def a work in progress.
On many of his drops you can tell he's already thinking about what he'll do after the catch before he actually catches the ball, looking elsewhere before securing it. Heck, that's probably true of many of the ones he catches too. If he can sort that out, he could be useful.

 
On many of his drops you can tell he's already thinking about what he'll do after the catch before he actually catches the ball, looking elsewhere before securing it. Heck, that's probably true of many of the ones he catches too. If he can sort that out, he could be useful.
I never hold drops against rookies in training camp or their first preseason (or even their first regular season, up to a point). They're processing an awful lot of new information. Things as simple as their stance and start. (They may have always had their left foot forward in college, but their pro team might always want their outside foot forward. They may have had a slight stutter step with their front foot on their release in college, initially pushing off their back foot, but their pro team might always want the first move to be to push off their front foot so that there is no wasted motion. Etc.) Things as simple as getting their splits exactly right. (In college, just somewhere between the tight end and the sideline for a flanker might be okay; but in the pros, they need to be exactly eight yards outside the tight end, or whatever.) A whole new route tree. Perhaps different footwork on basic cuts like a simple out pattern. (Speed cut versus squaring with a pivot, etc.) Making pre-snap reads, either as a hot receiver or on a route conversion. Making post-snap reads to adjust the pattern in response to rotation in the secondary. All of that stuff might be quite new to them.

When you have a zillion things on your mind, focusing on catching the ball necessarily suffers.

All of those other things have to become second nature before a receiver can really concentrate on looking the ball into his hands and catching it. Having all of those things become second nature takes time. It doesn't always come together in the span of a player's first training camp.

By a player's second year, the drops better become very rare. But right off the bat, they are somewhat to be expected.

 
On many of his drops you can tell he's already thinking about what he'll do after the catch before he actually catches the ball, looking elsewhere before securing it. Heck, that's probably true of many of the ones he catches too. If he can sort that out, he could be useful.
I never hold drops against rookies in training camp or their first preseason (or even their first regular season, up to a point). They're processing an awful lot of new information. Things as simple as their stance and start. (They may have always had their left foot forward in college, but their pro team might always want their outside foot forward. They may have had a slight stutter step with their front foot on their release in college, initially pushing off their back foot, but their pro team might always want the first move to be to push off their front foot so that there is no wasted motion. Etc.) Things as simple as getting their splits exactly right. (In college, just somewhere between the tight end and the sideline for a flanker might be okay; but in the pros, they need to be exactly eight yards outside the tight end, or whatever.) A whole new route tree. Perhaps different footwork on basic cuts like a simple out pattern. (Speed cut versus squaring with a pivot, etc.) Making pre-snap reads, either as a hot receiver or on a route conversion. Making post-snap reads to adjust the pattern in response to rotation in the secondary. All of that stuff might be quite new to them.

When you have a zillion things on your mind, focusing on catching the ball necessarily suffers.

All of those other things have to become second nature before a receiver can really concentrate on looking the ball into his hands and catching it. Having all of those things become second nature takes time. It doesn't always come together in the span of a player's first training camp.

By a player's second year, the drops better become very rare. But right off the bat, they are somewhat to be expected.
Good post. My question on him is whether or not he is one of the best 53 to help the team win this year. To help the team beat the Lions this week. That is a mantra that McCoy preaches, but it seems unlikely in this case.

 
On many of his drops you can tell he's already thinking about what he'll do after the catch before he actually catches the ball, looking elsewhere before securing it. Heck, that's probably true of many of the ones he catches too. If he can sort that out, he could be useful.
I never hold drops against rookies in training camp or their first preseason (or even their first regular season, up to a point). They're processing an awful lot of new information. Things as simple as their stance and start. (They may have always had their left foot forward in college, but their pro team might always want their outside foot forward. They may have had a slight stutter step with their front foot on their release in college, initially pushing off their back foot, but their pro team might always want the first move to be to push off their front foot so that there is no wasted motion. Etc.) Things as simple as getting their splits exactly right. (In college, just somewhere between the tight end and the sideline for a flanker might be okay; but in the pros, they need to be exactly eight yards outside the tight end, or whatever.) A whole new route tree. Perhaps different footwork on basic cuts like a simple out pattern. (Speed cut versus squaring with a pivot, etc.) Making pre-snap reads, either as a hot receiver or on a route conversion. Making post-snap reads to adjust the pattern in response to rotation in the secondary. All of that stuff might be quite new to them.

When you have a zillion things on your mind, focusing on catching the ball necessarily suffers.

All of those other things have to become second nature before a receiver can really concentrate on looking the ball into his hands and catching it. Having all of those things become second nature takes time. It doesn't always come together in the span of a player's first training camp.

By a player's second year, the drops better become very rare. But right off the bat, they are somewhat to be expected.
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Seems like if he's willing to do the work he's got a shot at getting some regular season targets eventually. The natural ability, the unteachable is already there.

 
So 9 rookies made the 53 -- 5 draft picks and 4 UDFAs.

UDFA PK Lambo will be the full time PK. But the others may not be long for the roster.

When Gates comes back from suspension, I'm guessing either UDFA WR Williams or TE Miller are out. Craig Watts comes back at the same time, and Troutman will supposedly be ready to play around that time, maybe a week earlier. If Watts goes to the active roster, that suggests UDFA OT Burwell will be out. Then, supposedly a few weeks later, Tourek Williams will be ready to play. Does that mean UDFA LB Dzubnar is out?

None of that accounts for new injuries that could drive the team to sign other players.

I will be surprised if WR Williams sticks on the active roster all season. Even if he does, I will be surprised if he makes the active roster on gameday unless there are WR injuries ahead of him.

 
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Interesting take from Krasnovic on Tyrell buried in an article about Lambo/Novak:

McCoy is giving Lambo, 24, the same chance the Spanoses gave him.

While he's at it, he's rolling the dice on other undrafted rookies such as receiver Tyrell Willliams, who also was told he will go onto the 53-man roster. Smart move. Williams is a potential NFL starter with good length, scary speed, oiled movements, poise and until recently, soft hands. Receiver-needy teams like the Panthers, who sought him as a college free agent, would've been dumb not to snag him, had the Chargers tried to get him onto their practice squad.
From the dedicated Williams article:

Williams looks like a potential NFL starter. He's 6-foot-3 1/2 and explosive. Not only quick and fast, he is smooth and shifty. He has shown soft hands since he plucked a firm, contested pass on the first day of rookie camp, though he clanged a slant-pass Saturday against the Cardinals.

He has won on slants, curls, fades, drags and go routes. On special teams, a new role for him, he made strides late in training camp, such as when he beat two defenders in punt coverage.

And yet, none of the 32 teams drafted Williams last spring. Thirty-four other receivers heard their names called.

Was it because he played for a Division II school, Western Oregon?

Perhaps, but he was a known prospect who had 56 receptions for 950 yards and eight touchdowns as a senior. His impressive performance at Oregon State's Pro Day drew more attention last spring.

Like many receivers, he has a torn ACL in his distant past.

Slender, he could stand to fill out (the Chargers list him at 205 pounds). He has made a few "young" mistakes in practices....

Williams has taken to coaching. He is getting better releases, an obstacle to many young receivers, than he did in June. He has applied pointers from coach Fred Graves and intern Eric Moulds, a former NFL receiver who made three Pro Bowls with the Bills.

Would another NFL team claim him?

The Panthers would seem a potential candidate. They showed interest in Williams last May. They lost their best receiver, Kelvin Benjamin, to a season-ending injury this month.

The Rams and Lions also courted Williams in May. The Browns are desperate for anybody who can run and catch.

Before the draft, the Patriots brought him to New England.
Also, we have practice squad.

Herndon made it, Chi Chi didn't.

 
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^That article also alludes to the extra roster spot available due to Gates' suspension enabling the team to keep one more bubble player. Same thing for Craig Watts, if the team plans to bring him back to the active roster. It will be interesting to see if Williams survives those cuts.

 
Anyone know what the contract Phillips got to come back? Maybe the $ amount they gave him will give an insight into how concerned they are with Green moving forward.

 
Big win today boys. Emmanuel is the truth - looks like we struck gold there. Verrett was fantastic today; he and Ingram will make the Pro Bowl if they stay healthy.

Stevie Johnson is the absolute perfect WR for Rivers. Always in the right spot, sure hands, and has that veteran experience that puts him and Phil on the same page. Obviously Keenan was spectacular.

This team can be very, very good. Keep your fingers crossed for DJ.

 

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