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2015 Shark Pool mock draft - The first one (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne said:
Interesting. With Hardwick retiring I would think Cameron Irving would be the pick.

Clemmings struggled a bit at the Senior Bowl.
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There is some speculation that SD may slide Fluker over to guard, which I think is a great idea.... except for the fact they don't have a starting OT's on the roster. The team is desperate for OT's and NT and both should be expensive in FA so I would hope they are planning on using their first several picks on big guys. I was hoping either Shelton/Phillips would be around at NT or Peat/Flowers/Scherff at OT. But I noticed earlier that you consider Scherff as more of an OG prospect. I've seen him projected as an eventual NFL LT in several places. I don't mind the pick of almost any top notch OT prospect, although I do like the versatility of Erving as well. Depending on how well he runs around in his underpants there is definitely a chance Erving may be available in the second round.

I will be very, very disappointed if they don't come out of FA with a veteran C. The center market is deep this year with Hudson(KC), Wisniewski(OAK), Montgomery(DEN), DeLaPuente(CHI), Shipley(IND), Raiola(DET), and Goodwin(NO) ranging from very good to serviceable and will all be better values than what Hardwick was at $6+mil. Last year when you did this I was adamant they should use their second rounder to start grooming a guy like Marcus Martin, David Yankee, or Travis Swanson. (SIGH) Luckily, none of those guys would have come in handy and Attaochu proved to be the "starter" so many SD fans tried to convince me he would be. The fact Yankee could have been drafted with the 4th round pick it took to trade up for Attaochu made that move sting all the more. I thought Watts looked terrible as a C so I hope he isn't even counted on as the second string C next season.

With Hardwick(6+), Clary(3+), Royal(5+), Freeney(4+), Gaither(4+), Cox(almost 4), Meacham(3+) anchor contracts coming off the books I'm hoping they will be very aggressive in FA. Not so much in big names but to fill a ton of holes. TWO cheap C's and TWO mid range CB's should be near the top of the shopping list. That shouldn't cost much at all based on recent salaries at those positions.

 
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Heading to dinner in about 30-45 minutes. I do have a pick in mind if JetMaxx is ready so I could possibly move things along if the picks comes in time.

-QG

 
1.20 The Philadelphia Eagles select Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson

Simply BPA. Fast twitch athlete with an incredible first step as an outside pass rusher. I gave some thought to an ILB but Beasley is the last true impact defender available. A bit undersized but has the potential as a situational pass rusher to make an impact on passing downs as a rookie and add bulk as he matures. His first step/body control can't be taught and the two together are common traits of all elite edge rushers.

 
21. Cincinnati Bengals select DT Malcom Brown, Texas.

The Bengals typically choose BPA though in this case there is an element of need as well. Domato Peko is approximately 905 years old and with Geno Atkins looking ordinary since coming back from injury this is an area of clear need - one that generally commands a premium draft pick. Also helping the choice is the fact that about 1000 OL have been taken off the board (the team could use a LT enabling them to slide the aging Andrew Whitworth to Guard). Edge rushers have flown off the board as well making the selection of Brown the next best thing as a better push inside might help the DEs out.

I'd love to say I have a ton of info on him, but that would be a lie (though other mocks have the Bengals taking him so there's that). I do know that they tend to like Major Conference players when drafting linemen.

Brown is big, fast, and explodes off the line. Technique needs work - but that can be taught. Solid citizen (the scouting reports note he's married with two kids). He works with children's cancer charities (ironically if the Bengals draft him it might be the end of Devon Still's Bengals career).

Would love other commentary on him.

I'll DM the evil one now.

-QG

 
Seems as I have recently moved to AZ I can take over their draft if the spot is still open? Someone PM me when my pick comes around =)

 
Titans are looking to move up from 2.01 (depending on the cost, perhaps the 2.01 and a 2016 2nd)

Coincidentally, Lions may look to move down from 1.23

 
With the 22nd pick of the 2015 Shark Pool mock draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select..

Alvin "Bud" Dupree, DE/OLB Kentucky

I suspect that when the actual draft rolls around, Dupree will be gone in the first half of round 1, possibly in the top 10. Steelers primary needs are all defensive. With an OL that finally stayed healthy for the first time in recent memory, along with tons of talent at the skill positions, this is going to be a heavy defensive draft. I have also seen most draftniks say that DL along with secondary are top priorities. I agree with the latter, but do not see the line as a top need at the moment. They drafted Cam Hayward in the first a couple of years back and Stephon Tuitt in round 2 last year, those are your starters going forward. I could see Danny Shelton, but he's long gone here and I think they like McClendon in the middle.

Secondary is a definite concern and one I considered here, but Tomlin seems averse to going defensive backfield very early in the draft. Pass rush is a MAJOR issue with Worilds a free agent coming off a 4.5 sack season, Harrison likely to retire or follow LeBeau to Tennessee, and nothing left on the current roster but projects. Dupree is a physical freak who measured 6'4" and 260 lbs, but is projected to run a 40 in the high 4.5s and record a 40" vertical. If that comes to pass, teams will be pissing themselves. Dupree is an effective pass rusher who posted reasonable production in a defense virtually devoid of talent outside of him. He doesn't possess Beasley's first step, but has a superior motor, is vastly superior in run defense, and can drop into coverage as well.

Adding Dupree to a group that already has Jones, Timmons, and Shazier at least gives hope for a LB corps that has been average at best of late. That doesn't cut it in Steeltown, kids. This would be a young group but one with a ton of athleticism and pedigree.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
With the 22nd pick of the 2015 Shark Pool mock draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select..

Alvin "Bud" Dupree, DE/OLB Kentucky

I suspect that when the actual draft rolls around, Dupree will be gone in the first half of round 1, possibly in the top 10. Steelers primary needs are all defensive. With an OL that finally stayed healthy for the first time in recent memory, along with tons of talent at the skill positions, this is going to be a heavy defensive draft. I have also seen most draftniks say that DL along with secondary are top priorities. I agree with the latter, but do not see the line as a top need at the moment. They drafted Cam Hayward in the first a couple of years back and Stephon Tuitt in round 2 last year, those are your starters going forward. I could see Danny Shelton, but he's long gone here and I think they like McClendon in the middle.

Secondary is a definite concern and one I considered here, but Tomlin seems averse to going defensive backfield very early in the draft. Pass rush is a MAJOR issue with Worilds a free agent coming off a 4.5 sack season, Harrison likely to retire or follow LeBeau to Tennessee, and nothing left on the current roster but projects. Dupree is a physical freak who measured 6'4" and 260 lbs, but is projected to run a 40 in the high 4.5s and record a 40" vertical. If that comes to pass, teams will be pissing themselves. Dupree is an effective pass rusher who posted reasonable production in a defense virtually devoid of talent outside of him. He doesn't possess Beasley's first step, but has a superior motor, is vastly superior in run defense, and can drop into coverage as well.

Adding Dupree to a group that already has Jones, Timmons, and Shazier at least gives hope for a LB corps that has been average at best of late. That doesn't cut it in Steeltown, kids. This would be a young group but one with a ton of athleticism and pedigree.
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Dupree was one of the two targets the Titans were looking to trade up for. With him gone, they're pushing for the deal.

But, to be fair, As I'm controlling the draft for both teams, I'll leave the Lions pick available for anyone who wants to offer a better deal than the 2.01 and a 2016 2nd. (If anyone thinks that's not a reasonable deal, speak up now).

I'll make the deal official by 11 and the Titans would make the pick immediately. Barring of course someone explaining why the deal would be unreasonable.

 
Lions take Eddie Goldman, DT FSU

Even if Suh stays (I think he does) the Lions will lose some DT depth this off-season. While a OT would be needed as well, DT is the Lions bread and butter.

Powerful space filler, but he needs to improve his pass rush. If Suh stays, it could be scary seeing Suh get more big plays while Goldman helps set him free. He won't be another Suh (neither the pass rush nor the disciplinary problems) but he should develop into an key unheralded, underrated cog for whatever team drafts him.

Honestly, I think I'd prefer Malcolm Brown but I expected Goldman to be gone.

Other top options were Gurley and Cameron Erving.

 
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Arizona takes Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

To me this is a case of taking the BPA which is what I think Keim will do in the upcoming draft. It also nicely fills a need with Ellington being too fragile and the Cardinals having nobody else worth talking about at RB, Stepfan Taylor is not the answer and an RB is needed after the failure of the Jonathan Dwyer addition and Mendenhall's retirement.

If the Cards do their medical checks and Gurley doesn't check out I would have no hesitation taking Melvin Gordon here instead.

I think Gurley is great value here, ACL or no, and I have a feeling he will be gone by this point in the NFL draft.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
FUBAR said:
Lions take Eddie Goldman, DT FSU

Write up later but it's pretty obvious what we're looking for here.
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Excellent. If I were to give a reason why the Lions wouldn't make the trade you proposed earlier it would be to stay put and take Goldman.
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Probably true, but it would have been worthwhile for both teams imo. If either Beasley or Dupree fall, the Titans would love to walk away with two new key defensive players.

 
Dupree amd Beasley were the other guys I was considering at #21 (prior to JetMaxx announcing his selection at #20)

-QG

 
Gurley.... what's there to say other than he'll be a test of how the nfl really values the position.

 
25th Overall pick, Carolina Panthers select Cameron Erving, OT, FSU

The glaring weakness of this team is clearly the O-line. They didn't even have a steady lineup until halfway through the season after weekly experiments. Coming into 2014, from 2011-2013, Cam was sacked/hit 467 times, which was more than double any other QB in the league. Carolina proceeded to follow this up in 2014 by being a fringe bottom-third tier team, allowing the 12th most sacks in the league with 42. I think the blindside spot is of paramount importance for Carolina, especially with Cam coming off an injury-riddled 2014 season. The revelation that was Kelvin Benjamin with more additions surely on the way, either through FA or the draft point to a gradual transition to a more pass-oriented offense for Carolina to better match up with the great passing attacks of the NFC South, especially coupled with the aging three-headed monster of Stewart (27), Tolbert (29), and Williams (31) on the way out. Erving, a defensive convert, has played everywhere on the O-line. While Carolina will most likely start him out as a guard, the final destination here is the blindside tackle position.

 
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1.26 the ravens take melvin gordon

Forsett is old pierce stinks and teliforikfndbfb is not a guy like gordon. They have a chance to get a talent out of this world and they take him in a run heavy division.

 
Unfortunately Ogbuehi tore his ACL in their bowl game and really flamed out when he played the left side. He's a good DR but the injury affects his stock.

 
FUBAR said:
ShamrockPride said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Unfortunately Ogbuehi tore his ACL in their bowl game and really flamed out when he played the left side. He's a good DR but the injury affects his stock.
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That's what I get for reading up on outdated mocks. Poo. We'll just go with it.
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Regardless of who exactly they get, your logic is sound. They need to go T here unless a great corner falls and the o line isn't worth it.
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I mean for what it's worth, I was between him & Erving from FSU. If Andy wanted to change it to a more logical selection, do that. Like you said, 90% of my write-up would remain the same anyways. Andy's call, no hard feelings either way.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
1.11 - Minnesota - Shaq Thompson, Swiss Army Knife - Washington

I know people think they'll upgrade the tackle spot or take a WR but defense is where this team's at. Zimmer would love Thompson's versatility.
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Thinking about what Zimmer would do with him and Barr... and loving what I'm thinking!

 
JonB86 said:
Arizona takes Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

To me this is a case of taking the BPA which is what I think Keim will do in the upcoming draft. It also nicely fills a need with Ellington being too fragile and the Cardinals having nobody else worth talking about at RB, Stepfan Taylor is not the answer and an RB is needed after the failure of the Jonathan Dwyer addition and Mendenhall's retirement.

If the Cards do their medical checks and Gurley doesn't check out I would have no hesitation taking Melvin Gordon here instead.

I think Gurley is great value here, ACL or no, and I have a feeling he will be gone by this point in the NFL draft.
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The problem with the Arizona running game is at QB and OL, not sure what adding another talented RB adds really. :shrug:

 
Slapdash said:
JonB86 said:
Arizona takes Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

To me this is a case of taking the BPA which is what I think Keim will do in the upcoming draft. It also nicely fills a need with Ellington being too fragile and the Cardinals having nobody else worth talking about at RB, Stepfan Taylor is not the answer and an RB is needed after the failure of the Jonathan Dwyer addition and Mendenhall's retirement.

If the Cards do their medical checks and Gurley doesn't check out I would have no hesitation taking Melvin Gordon here instead.

I think Gurley is great value here, ACL or no, and I have a feeling he will be gone by this point in the NFL draft.
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The problem with the Arizona running game is at QB and OL, not sure what adding another talented RB adds really. :shrug:
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QB is fine if Palmer comes back; I don't think Keim will reach in the 1st for a guy like Hundley or Grayson. Nor did I see an OL on the board that I liked. RB is a need position because they only have one talented RB and he is fragile, who else do you think they have that is any good?

 
Let's discuss the Broncos' pick. They have a surprising (maybe not?) number of needs.

TE/OL/Defensive front 7 are all in the conversation. They're going to go full 3-4 now with Wade Phililps as DC.

 
JonB86 said:
Slapdash said:
JonB86 said:
Arizona takes Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

To me this is a case of taking the BPA which is what I think Keim will do in the upcoming draft. It also nicely fills a need with Ellington being too fragile and the Cardinals having nobody else worth talking about at RB, Stepfan Taylor is not the answer and an RB is needed after the failure of the Jonathan Dwyer addition and Mendenhall's retirement.

If the Cards do their medical checks and Gurley doesn't check out I would have no hesitation taking Melvin Gordon here instead.

I think Gurley is great value here, ACL or no, and I have a feeling he will be gone by this point in the NFL draft.
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The problem with the Arizona running game is at QB and OL, not sure what adding another talented RB adds really. :shrug:
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QB is fine if Palmer comes back; I don't think Keim will reach in the 1st for a guy like Hundley or Grayson. Nor did I see an OL on the board that I liked. RB is a need position because they only have one talented RB and he is fragile, who else do you think they have that is any good?
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I think Ellington is good enough to be that guy, so it is hard to see them spending a 1st rounder on another back. They have to seriously address the offensive line for any back to be successful back there. Maybe you'd do it in FA. They seem like the kind of team that would fall in love with a QB prospect at this spot, knowing he can sit behind Palmer for a year or two.

Anyways, just sharing my thoughts. I don't follow the Cardinals that closely so I may be completely off-base.

 
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Slapdash said:
JonB86 said:
Arizona takes Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

To me this is a case of taking the BPA which is what I think Keim will do in the upcoming draft. It also nicely fills a need with Ellington being too fragile and the Cardinals having nobody else worth talking about at RB, Stepfan Taylor is not the answer and an RB is needed after the failure of the Jonathan Dwyer addition and Mendenhall's retirement.

If the Cards do their medical checks and Gurley doesn't check out I would have no hesitation taking Melvin Gordon here instead.

I think Gurley is great value here, ACL or no, and I have a feeling he will be gone by this point in the NFL draft.
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The problem with the Arizona running game is at QB and OL, not sure what adding another talented RB adds really. :shrug:
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Same problem at Cincy and it didn't stop them from taking another RB to compete with Bernard. And this was despite knowing that both their starting OT (Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith) and backup OT Eric Winston might be gone in FA this year. Seems like getting another big ugly on the O-Line would have been a priority for the Bengals last year just as much as it is for 'Zona this year.

 
FUBAR said:
adrenaline said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Let's discuss the Broncos' pick. They have a surprising (maybe not?) number of needs.

TE/OL/Defensive front 7 are all in the conversation. They're going to go full 3-4 now with Wade Phililps as DC.
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I vote Arik Armstead, DE/DT
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Looks like he'd fit in well as a 3-4 DE. (Titans are keeping an eye on him for the 2nd round)
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If read some hemming and hawing about him lately. The guys I was considering (a long list, I know):

McKinney/Perryman/Kendricks

Carl Davis/Jordan Phillips

TJ Sambrailo

Maxx Williams

 
adrenaline said:
FUBAR said:
adrenaline said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Let's discuss the Broncos' pick. They have a surprising (maybe not?) number of needs.

TE/OL/Defensive front 7 are all in the conversation. They're going to go full 3-4 now with Wade Phililps as DC.
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I vote Arik Armstead, DE/DT
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Looks like he'd fit in well as a 3-4 DE. (Titans are keeping an eye on him for the 2nd round)
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I doubt he will be there.
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maybe, he's not our only option.

If I were picking for the Broncos, I'd probably take Maxx Williams

 
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