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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)
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His rebound numbers are farcical.
I also wonder if he is costing okc break opportunities by coming all the way back down to poach d-rebs.
I also wonder if he is costing okc break opportunities by coming all the way back down to poach d-rebs.
sjslacker
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Had this conversation with some friends the other day. If you were to draft the OKC and Hou players other than Harden and Westbrook how would you draft? Assume you're focused on 1 year so age/youth is less of a factor.
Ryan Anderson
Trevor Ariza
Patrick Beverley
Bobby Brown
Clint Capela
Sam Dekker
Eric Gordon
Montrezl Harrell
Nene Hilario
Chinanu Onuaku
Isaiah Taylor
Troy Williams
Lou Williams
Kyle Wiltjer
Alex Abrines
Steven Adams
Semaj Christon
Norris Cole
Nick Collison
Taj Gibson
Jerami Grant
Josh Huestis
Enes Kanter
Doug McDermott
Victor Oladipo
Andre Roberson
Domantas Sabonis
Kyle Singler
Ryan Anderson
Trevor Ariza
Patrick Beverley
Bobby Brown
Clint Capela
Sam Dekker
Eric Gordon
Montrezl Harrell
Nene Hilario
Chinanu Onuaku
Isaiah Taylor
Troy Williams
Lou Williams
Kyle Wiltjer
Alex Abrines
Steven Adams
Semaj Christon
Norris Cole
Nick Collison
Taj Gibson
Jerami Grant
Josh Huestis
Enes Kanter
Doug McDermott
Victor Oladipo
Andre Roberson
Domantas Sabonis
Kyle Singler
hxperson
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Are you starting with one of Harden or Westbrook? That makes a big difference when one deciding between, for example, Oladipo (probably best player of the group if looking for someone to lead the team) and Ariza (the ideal 3 and D guy to play alongside one of these ball dominant superstars).
msudaisy26
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EYLive
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If they were fully healthy they would choke away a series with crunch-time turnovers. And frolicking on a banana boat by the end of the week.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Footballguy
I choose Harden, i take Adams first.
Moe.
Footballguy
If you took Giannis off the Bucks they'd probably have like ten wins. I assume he'll get some votes though.
At this point I would change my vote from Harden to Westbrook just because of how annoying Daryl Morey is being about it.
Daryl MoreyVerified account @dmorey
AAU...All-Star game...Draft Lottery...2017 MVP race. Basketball is losing its focus on winning
Good to know that Daryl thinks that Kawhi should be the MVP.
At this point I would change my vote from Harden to Westbrook just because of how annoying Daryl Morey is being about it.
Daryl MoreyVerified account @dmorey
AAU...All-Star game...Draft Lottery...2017 MVP race. Basketball is losing its focus on winning
Good to know that Daryl thinks that Kawhi should be the MVP.
Moe.
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16 million per year? If that's the case I hope it's not the Thunder. It's easy to make fun of him because the shooting is so comically bad but he seems like a good guy and he's a great defender, so good for him I guess.
It's weird that someone who is such a good athlete and who spends so much time around basketball can't be a better shooter though. Seems like it's 50/50 on whether or not one of his free throws will hit the rim.
msudaisy26
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I would go the other way and take Westbrook and then Ariza. Assuming this is for one season.
sports_fan
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Can the Wolves make up 9 games over their final 2 games to make the playoffs for the first time in 13 years?? Stay tuned
Kev4029
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BigSteelThrill
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So funny. Lakers win and Suns lose!Lakers
Sixers with 53% shot at that pick.
15.6
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22.5
- 26.5 -
4.1
49% shot at #4 or #5.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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5 straight
CLINCHED
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trader jake
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NBA awardsMVP - Russell WestbrookPre-Finals the story of this season is Kevin Durant leaving OKC for GSW and the resulting Russ triple-double train. Great seasons for James Hardin, LeBron James, Kahwi Leonard, and Steph Curry but this is Westbrook's year.Defensive POY - Draymond GreenI wold have voted for Jazz C Rudy Gobert as late as a month ago, but Green is the most important defensive cog on the best team. His versatility keeps that team a step ahead on defense and they did so even after Durant went out for 20 games due to injury.Most improved - Giannis AntetokounmpoHe has gotten better every single season (this season, literally, in any major statistical category you can name). The guy has gone from decent starter with upside to a full-blown NBA superstar. 6th man - Eric GordonThe Rockets guard has put up crazy 3 point numbers and kept the offense humming whenever Hardin was out. As importantly, he's managed to stay healthy. His newer teammate, Lou Williams, may ultimately win the award after being acquired from the Lakers, but Gordon toiled for the #3 overall best team all season long.Coach of the Year - Gregg PopovichYou could probably go with the Spurs Gregg Popovich every year. Despite some solid candidates I think I will. No Tim Duncan and a near-retirement Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili? What about the past his prime Pau Gasol as the defensive center with guys like David Lee, Johnathan Simmons, and Kyle Anderson logging minutes...still 2nd best record in the whole league again? The guy is ridiculous and the Spurs system just keeps on keepin' on.Rookie of the Year - Joel EmbiidThe Bucks Malcom Brogdon and Philly's Dario Saric have cases to be made, but The Process flashed elite talent in his 30 some odd games. In a down year for rookies overall, his elite upside gets the award despite the limited number of games played. He was must see for NBA nerds like myself while he was playing, hopefully he doesn't go out like Greg Oden or Bill Walton.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I simulated the lottery on tankathon until I got to Sixers at 1 and Lakers at 4 and now I refuse to close that page. Though I will be a little disappointed if we don't get to execute that pick swap. Which is very sad.So funny. Lakers win and Suns lose!
Sixers with 53% shot at that pick.
15.6
- 15.7
- 15.6 ---
22.5
- 26.5 -
4.1
49% shot at #4 or #5.
TobiasFunke
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I like these across the board except maybe with Gobert. Jazz are only one spot behind the Warriors in defensive efficiency (3rd and 2nd), so I don't see how team performance can separate the two. But I don't watch nearly enough of either team to make an informed decision. All I know if I haven't seen someone change the game like Gobert does every time he's on the floor. I'd be curious to see on/off defensive numbers for each guy.
Did you cut and paste these from somewhere or are they yours?
mr. furley
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Kevin ClarkVerified account @bykevinclark
You think this Romo thing is crazy? The Magic have played a bunch of guys who don't belong in the NBA every night for the last FIVE YEARS.
You think this Romo thing is crazy? The Magic have played a bunch of guys who don't belong in the NBA every night for the last FIVE YEARS.
TobiasFunke
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OK, but then who gets the award? Both Saric and Hield aren't even in the Top 10 in PER among rookies, and it's not like they're compensating for that on the defensive end.
I'm fine with any of them, or Brogdon. But without a clear choice I figure why not give it to the guy who's awesome.
Kev4029
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Saric was awful prior to Embiid's injury and hasn't been especially good since, he just has a ridiculous usage rate because the rest of the team is a joke. Brogdon has been okay but averaging 10/4/3 for the rookie of the year is nearly unheard of. Who else is even in the conversation? W Hernangomez, Hield, and Murray? None of them deserve it.
I think Saric will win it because his counting stats (13/6/2) are the best of anybody other than Embiid, and everybody could point to 00-01 when Mike Miller (12/4/2) won ROY as a comparison for ####ty stats (this probably works with Brogdon as well). But if I had a vote, I would say that Embiid's 800 minutes were significantly more impactful than 2000 minutes of Brogdon or Saric, and nobody else is really even in the discussion.
Capella
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the moops
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30 games seems too small for me. Hell, Durant isn't even in the conversation for MVP, and he will have played twice as many games. Of course there are awesome worthy candidates for MVP, but until his injury, he was at worst top 5.
What if Embiid had played 20 games? 15? Everyone must have a cutoff. Mine happens to be "you have to at least play > 50% of teams games". The guy has played 786 minutes. That is such a ridiculously small amount of time
Capella
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If the MVP race had the same dreg as ROY, then Durant would be considered. It's a horrible class of rookies.
30 games seems too small for me. Hell, Durant isn't even in the conversation for MVP, and he will have played twice as many games. Of course there are awesome worthy candidates for MVP, but until his injury, he was at worst top 5.
What if Embiid had played 20 games? 15? Everyone must have a cutoff. Mine happens to be "you have to at least play > 50% of teams games". The guy has played 786 minutes. That is such a ridiculously small amount of time
Long Ball Larry
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It is difficult, I agree. The fact that there are no other candidates really is a big issue. Plus it's not like there are some hallowed criteria for how ROY is supposed to be decided. It's kind of like getting all up in arms about the change in MLB All-Star Game HFA.
30 games seems too small for me. Hell, Durant isn't even in the conversation for MVP, and he will have played twice as many games. Of course there are awesome worthy candidates for MVP, but until his injury, he was at worst top 5.
What if Embiid had played 20 games? 15? Everyone must have a cutoff. Mine happens to be "you have to at least play > 50% of teams games". The guy has played 786 minutes. That is such a ridiculously small amount of time
The Sixers without Embiid would be fighting for the number 1 pick now. I'm not sure how any other rookie has been more important or impactful.
tommyGunZ
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Between Embiid and Saric.
Brogdan, Ulis, Hield, Murray,in a jumbled mess behind them.
Brogdan, Ulis, Hield, Murray,in a jumbled mess behind them.
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Rookie of the Year? Should be Kris Dunn. He has more fouls than assists. Now that's damn impressive as a point.
In all seriousness, what a horrid rookie pool. In terms of impact, Embid is the runaway. That said, there's virtually no chance he wins having played in only 30 games. So I think it's a two horse race between Saric and Brogdon, and I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. I think Saric wins, as it seems ROY is mostly a stats based vote and he's got the least poor of a sorry bunch.
In all seriousness, what a horrid rookie pool. In terms of impact, Embid is the runaway. That said, there's virtually no chance he wins having played in only 30 games. So I think it's a two horse race between Saric and Brogdon, and I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. I think Saric wins, as it seems ROY is mostly a stats based vote and he's got the least poor of a sorry bunch.
wikkidpissah
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Starting to think one-and-done is worse than none. They come in less humble, as much to learn and more to unlearn.
ETA: and not much easier to judge
ETA: and not much easier to judge
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TobiasFunke
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Wiz sitting Wall, Beal, Morris and Mahinmi tonight in Miami, making the Heat double digit favorites. That means the Pacers and Bulls will likely have to win to hold off the Heat for the 7 and 8 spots.
I think the only other things still up for grabs are the East 1 seed (Boston locks it up with a win or Cavs loss) and home court in the 4/5 West series (Clippers lock it up with a win or Jazz loss).
I think the only other things still up for grabs are the East 1 seed (Boston locks it up with a win or Cavs loss) and home court in the 4/5 West series (Clippers lock it up with a win or Jazz loss).
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Kev4029
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Why do you say that? Other than Ingram, the biggest disappointments have been upperclassmen (Hield, Dunn, Sabonis, Valentine). Brown and Murray are looking like big time future contributors and the scouting on Simmons hasn't changed.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Watched Brown all year as a Celt and every one of his faults lie in him thinking he knows more than he does. Murray aint much different and we'd know if he was a point by now.
the moops
Footballguy
Giannis, Middleton, Snell, and Dellavedova resting against Celtics
Lin, Lopez, and Booker resting against Bulls
Lebron and Kyrie resting against Raptors
Wall and company likely to rest agianst Pacers
Hawks likely to rest against Heat
What a ####show
Capella
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Wow, that would surprise me greatly. If I had a vote it would go to Embiid by default, but I just (wrongfully?) assumed there's no way they'd give the ROY to someone whom didn't earn it by playing in a majority of his team's games.
Kev4029
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I've watched very little Celtics basketball this year, so I can't comment too much other than Brown has been pretty well reviewed by the media. I've watched a lot of Murray though, and I don't think he fits in at all with your previous post, by all accounts he is a very coachable player and was one of the only players putting in full effort on defense for the Nuggets this year. I think you're a little off base on him being a PG for the Nuggets too. With Jokic being the centerpiece of the offense with ball handlers all around him (everybody is comfortable passing and attacking off the dribble other than Faried and Hernangomez), they don't need a point guard to bring the ball up every time and get them in their set. And for whatever it's worth, Murray had 10 assists last night.
wikkidpissah
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you are so much smarter than me. i thought i was the smartest ever but now i'm not. i feel like i want to die now. goodbye -
Capella
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I saw it quickly on twitter so I don't remember the details. I just assumed he had it locked up.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah, not ideal. But most of these are understandable. The Nets, on the other hand, is kinda embarrassing since they don't have anything to rest for and it impacts other teams. If I was a Heat fan I'd be pretty pissed.
Kev4029
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Hield is actually decent. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a league average starter at the 2, maybe a plus bench guy. Doesn't belong in that group.
I'd give it to Brogdon. Valuable contributor on a team playing games that actually matter, unlike his competitors for the award.
wikkidpissah
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TobiasFunke
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Albert Burneko put a much longer, smarter, angrier version of this post up on Deadspin as I was posting. I don't necessarily agree with him about the Pacers, I think Paul George is interesting and fun to watch. But he's right, it sucks that the very entertaining Heat are probably not going to make it, and that the Nets bizarre decision to rest starters tonight contributes to that.
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