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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)

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Kev4029 said:
I doubt they do much this year except match Simmons if his offer is reasonable (no offer will be nuts because he is Arenas-limited), sign re-sign Mills if he has a tepid market, and re-sign Ginobili on a one year deal if he wants to play one more season. Next offseason they only have Aldridge (last year of his deal), Leonard, Murray and Green (play option) on the books. They'll be able to go in a lot of different directions at that point.

So, maybe they are done as title contenders for next season, but in 18-19 they could be totally reloaded.
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I'd love for them to make a play for Jimmy Butler. Bulls front office seems to have chosen Hoiberg over Butler for some reason. While I like the upside of Simmons, I think Butler would be a terrific fit in SA.

 
Back when the Cavs were really struggling going on their 10-14 stretch I was reading where people were saying this is LeBron's worst supporting cast in the last 7 years since he started his run to making the finals each year.  I was surprised to hear they thought so lowly of the Cavs bench this year considering in 2014 what the roster looked like that lost to GS.  I can't recall well of the Miami days from 2011 to 2014 and how those compared to the Cavs roster as I pretty much blocked out those years from my memory as those were the dark days in Cleveland.

 
Dez said:
Back when the Cavs were really struggling going on their 10-14 stretch I was reading where people were saying this is LeBron's worst supporting cast in the last 7 years since he started his run to making the finals each year.  I was surprised to hear they thought so lowly of the Cavs bench this year considering in 2014 what the roster looked like that lost to GS.  I can't recall well of the Miami days from 2011 to 2014 and how those compared to the Cavs roster as I pretty much blocked out those years from my memory as those were the dark days in Cleveland.
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The cast of shooters around him has to be among the best of his career. As a team they had the 2nd highest 3P% (behind the Spurs) and 2nd most 3P made (behind Rockets). LeBron surrounded by shooters is effectively impossible to defend against.

 
saintfool said:
I'd love for them to make a play for Jimmy Butler. Bulls front office seems to have chosen Hoiberg over Butler for some reason. While I like the upside of Simmons, I think Butler would be a terrific fit in SA.
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Fun fact, both Simmons and Butler were born September 14, 1989. Simmons might have a little more room to grow because of his lack of NBA experience, but pretty much the player we see is the player he is going to be for the next couple years.

 
ShamrockPride said:
The thing is that for right now the only draw to the Lakers for a FA is the city they are in. Maybe the history if someone gives a s*** about that kind of thing. Which I doubt many people do when you're talking millions of dollars. It might be rough for the Lakers for a while.
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i always found this to be the strangest thing. Does Shaq go to LA if Kobe isn't there? And why does this work for the Lakers but not work for the LA Clippers? 

 
bananafish said:
As a Golden State fan I'm not nearly as confident as some (here and in the media) about their chances versus Cleveland. I still think they'll win but I doubt it will be in dominating fashion. LeBron is just on another level and the rest of his team has gotten better as well. Yes, the Warriors have Durant, but it's a case where a bunch of good players will have to overcome one great player and his entourage. One thing that really gives me pause is Iguodala, even though he played tonight, doesn't seem like the player he was in March and I don't know that all this time off is going to help necessarily. They'll obviously need him in top form vs. James.

One other thing is the Warriors have a tendency to think too much when things get tight. Not that they choke in the classical sense, in fact last year they were the best clutch team of all time, just that psychologically there is still doubt in the back of their minds, maybe like LeBron was four or five years ago. The only guy who doesn't play like that is Draymond Green who is also the only Warrior who played well in game 7 last year. Man, I hope he is still practicing those threes because when he is hitting those they really are unstoppable.

Whatever the case may be this is shaping up to be an epic Finals. I can't wait but I am definitely nervous, as compared to a year ago when I thought they'd sweep.
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Dude, you had them 3-1 last year. Draymond Green missed a game. Durant will be good for at least one more. Congratulations, you're NBA Finals Champions.

Steve Kerr doesn't even care enough to coach the damn game, you won.

 
modogg said:
i always found this to be the strangest thing. Does Shaq go to LA if Kobe isn't there? And why does this work for the Lakers but not work for the LA Clippers? 
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Because Sterling was a racist #######. It hasn't not worked for the Clippers over the last couple years.

 
Shane Ricketts said:
Dude, you had them 3-1 last year. Draymond Green missed a game. Durant will be good for at least one more. Congratulations, you're NBA Finals Champions.

Steve Kerr doesn't even care enough to coach the damn game, you won.
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He also played the other 6, in which the Warriors went 3-3, so there is no way to know who would have won Game 5 had Green played.  I know it's fun shtick to say, "Cleveland only won because Green got suspended," but the facts do not really back that up. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
He also played the other 6, in which the Warriors went 3-3, so there is no way to know who would have won Game 5 had Green played.  I know it's fun shtick to say, "Cleveland only won because Green got suspended," but the facts do not really back that up. 
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That's not what I'm saying though, I'm saying adding Kevin Durant is the difference to winning one more game... which is all they needed.

 
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Shane Ricketts said:
That's not what I'm saying though, I'm saying adding Kevin Durant is the difference to winning one more game... which is all they needed.
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Right, I understand that, but it is not always that simple.  GS does not have the bigs they had last year to protect the rim, and Cleveland has more depth and shooters than they did last year.  The addition of Durant might be enough to overcome that.  Time will tell. 

 
modogg said:
i always found this to be the strangest thing. Does Shaq go to LA if Kobe isn't there? And why does this work for the Lakers but not work for the LA Clippers? 
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Kobe had been traded to the Lakers like 2 weeks before Shaq signed.  I don't remember him being a can't miss guy at that point either (correct me if I'm wrong) since he was 13th pick.  I don't think it's any more likely that Kobe could draw a FA at that point than guys like Ingram/Russell/Randle/2nd pick could now.

 
Ghost Rider said:
He also played the other 6, in which the Warriors went 3-3, so there is no way to know who would have won Game 5 had Green played.  I know it's fun shtick to say, "Cleveland only won because Green got suspended," but the facts do not really back that up. 
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I know you are a Cleveland homer but the stuff you post is the absolute worst.  It's fun shtick for people who don't understand basketball not to think Golden State wins that series if Green didn't get suspended.

 
tjnc09 said:
I know you are a Cleveland homer but the stuff you post is the absolute worst.  It's fun shtick for people who don't understand basketball not to think Golden State wins that series if Green didn't get suspended.
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No guarantees in basketball my man. Having green does not mean a victory. Check the other 3 games where gs lost and had green.

 
the moops said:
Problem with that is 1) George makes all NBA next year, and he is staying in Indy, or 2) some other team makes a move for him and he re-ups with them rather than go play for a lousy Laker team
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apparently George is telling anyone and everyone who is in ears shot that even if he gets traded he wanted to go play for the Lakers when his contract expires. 

 
tjnc09 said:
I know you are a Cleveland homer but the stuff you post is the absolute worst.  It's fun shtick for people who don't understand basketball not to think Golden State wins that series if Green didn't get suspended.
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While I respect your opinion-- I disagree with you.   GS did not lose that series because Draymond missed game 6--they lost the series because Steph, Klay and Harrison essentially did not show up at all game 7.   With the construction of that team--when Draymond goes for 32-15-9--GS easily wins the game if any of their other main guys has even an average game relative to their standards.  Steph, Klay and Harrison went a combined 15-46 from the field that game.  Blaming the series loss on Draymonds not being there game 6 is just a way of giving Klay, Steph and Harrison a giant pass for coming up invisible in game 7.  

 
saintfool said:
I'd love for them to make a play for Jimmy Butler. Bulls front office seems to have chosen Hoiberg over Butler for some reason. While I like the upside of Simmons, I think Butler would be a terrific fit in SA.
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Are we talking when he becomes an FA or trade? 

 
Shane Ricketts said:
Dude, you had them 3-1 last year. Draymond Green missed a game. Durant will be good for at least one more. Congratulations, you're NBA Finals Champions.

Steve Kerr doesn't even care enough to coach the damn game, you won.
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LOL Yeah Kerr knows what's up. And it's embarrassing how bad the NBA is when the one teams coach doesn't even giving a flying **** about coaching the team either. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
While I respect your opinion-- I disagree with you.   GS did not lose that series because Draymond missed game 6--they lost the series because Steph, Klay and Harrison essentially did not show up at all game 7.   With the construction of that team--when Draymond goes for 32-15-9--GS easily wins the game if any of their other main guys has even an average game relative to their standards.  Steph, Klay and Harrison went a combined 15-46 from the field that game.  Blaming the series loss on Draymonds not being there game 6 is just a way of giving Klay, Steph and Harrison a giant pass for coming up invisible in game 7.  
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Agree.  Game was at home too.  Ouch

 
Ghost Rider said:
Right, I understand that, but it is not always that simple.  GS does not have the bigs they had last year to protect the rim, and Cleveland has more depth and shooters than they did last year.  The addition of Durant might be enough to overcome that.  Time will tell. 
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GS has Magee who's been really good. His advanced Offensive and defensive stats have made them really good and he stepped up with ZAZA out. 

 
tjnc09 said:
I know you are a Cleveland homer but the stuff you post is the absolute worst.  It's fun shtick for people who don't understand basketball not to think Golden State wins that series if Green didn't get suspended.
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:lmao:   :lmao:

I live states away from Ohio, yet I am a Cleveland homer now? Good one. :lol: :lol:  

But if you understand basketball so well, understand this: the Cavs won the title last year.  It's over. If you want to whine about what could have or would have happen, have at it, but the Cavs won.  :thumbup:   :thumbup:

 
Ghost Rider said:
:lmao:   :lmao:

I live states away from Ohio, yet I am a Cleveland homer now? Good one. :lol: :lol:  

But if you understand basketball so well, understand this: the Cavs won the title last year.  It's over. If you want to whine about what could have or would have happen, have at it, but the Cavs won.  :thumbup:   :thumbup:
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aw, so you are just like Weebs.  Ride LeBron's nuts because your own team sucks.  That's even worse than being a Cleveland homer.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
While I respect your opinion-- I disagree with you.   GS did not lose that series because Draymond missed game 6--they lost the series because Steph, Klay and Harrison essentially did not show up at all game 7.   With the construction of that team--when Draymond goes for 32-15-9--GS easily wins the game if any of their other main guys has even an average game relative to their standards.  Steph, Klay and Harrison went a combined 15-46 from the field that game.  Blaming the series loss on Draymonds not being there game 6 is just a way of giving Klay, Steph and Harrison a giant pass for coming up invisible in game 7.  
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Come on man.  There are more moving parts to basketball than simply looking at overall shooting percentages.  Voulgaris tweeted out after that series that the expected ppp GS held Cleveland to in game 7 was ABSURD.  There's no reason that couldn't have been replicated in game 5. 

 
tjnc09 said:
Come on man.  There are more moving parts to basketball than simply looking at overall shooting percentages.  Voulgaris tweeted out after that series that the expected ppp GS held Cleveland to in game 7 was ABSURD.  There's no reason that couldn't have been replicated in game 5. 
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With all due respect--I think you are being a bit short sighted. With the way that you are looking at things--you are making it seem like the moment that Golden State lost game 6--the series was over.  In reality--that is very far from the truth. Golden State got to go back home with Draymond back.   My guess is that they were probably the slight favorite to win game 7 under those circumstances.  If somebody were to have told us that Draymond would come back and essentially have a huge 30+ pt triple double--GS would have been considered a huge favorite under those circumstances.   While Cleveland was not a bad defensive team--they were not the defensive juggernaut that could be counted on to keep Steph, Klay, and Harrison to 33% field goal percent shooting from the field on the road.  Call a spade a spade man. Had Klay, Steph or Harrison remotely showed up game 7--GS probably wins that series. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
With all due respect--I think you are being a bit short sighted. With the way that you are looking at things--you are making it seem like the moment that Golden State lost game 6--the series was over.  In reality--that is very far from the truth. Golden State got to go back home with Draymond back.   My guess is that they were probably the slight favorite to win game 7 under those circumstances.  If somebody were to have told us that Draymond would come back and essentially have a huge 30+ pt triple double--GS would have been considered a huge favorite under those circumstances.   While Cleveland was not a bad defensive team--they were not the defensive juggernaut that could be counted on to keep Steph, Klay, and Harrison to 33% field goal percent shooting from the field on the road.  Call a spade a spade man. Had Klay, Steph or Harrison remotely showed up game 7--GS probably wins that series. 
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Here the opening line vig free win probabilities from Pinnacle

Game 5: Cleveland: 34.3% GS: 65.7% (this opened before Draymond was suspended)

Game 6: Cleveland: 54.8% GS: 45.2%

Game 7: Cleveland: 36.7% GS: 63.3%

Cleveland had a 12.6% chance of winning both games in Golden State with a healthy Draymond.  They had a 6.9% chance of winning the series. 

Where did I say the series was over after game 6?  All the analytics in the world don't mean #### because they still have to play the game. 

I couldn't care less if people agree with me, but disagreeing with Vegas and Voulgaris is idiotic.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Meh. Do you think any other team in the eastern playoffs this year would have won 1 game against Cleveland?
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Cleveland would have swept any other east team and any other west team besides a healthy SA and GS.

I said earlier they are a 50 win east team without LeBron.  That's how deep they are.

 
If the Warriors beat the Cavs in the finals they need to send a gift to the Celtics for lulling the Cavs to sleep. I don't think I have ever seen so many open jump shots in a playoff game. 

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Celtics hanging tough
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:lmao:  do we really think this is the Celtics playing much better now? Cavs either are totally coasting, making sure they don't get injured for the finals. I think they can go on a 15-0 run at will.

And i took Celtics +16.5 today so i am happy to see it, personally. but i know it is a facade

 
modogg said:
:lmao:  do we really think this is the Celtics playing much better now? Cavs either are totally coasting, making sure they don't get injured for the finals. I think they can go on a 15-0 run at will.

And i took Celtics +16.5 today so i am happy to see it, personally. but i know it is a facade
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Boston was embarrassed the first two games and are without their best player, I don't really care if the Cavs aren't as locked in, just glad to see the Celtics showing some life. They are still going to get swept but as a fan I'm proud of their effort this game. Couldn't say that in either game in Boston.

 
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modogg said:
:lmao:  do we really think this is the Celtics playing much better now? Cavs either are totally coasting, making sure they don't get injured for the finals. I think they can go on a 15-0 run at will.

And i took Celtics +16.5 today so i am happy to see it, personally. but i know it is a facade
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The Cavs were coasting the entire game. The difference is the Celtics are actually making their open shots now. In the 1st quarter it was crazy how many open 3's and lay ups the Cetlics missed. Plus the Cavs were unconscious from 3 for a while. 

 
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msudaisy26 said:
If the Warriors beat the Cavs in the finals they need to send a gift to the Celtics for lulling the Cavs to sleep. I don't think I have ever seen so many open jump shots in a playoff game. 
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I'm pretty sure Cleveland's level effort will be different facing Golden State than a team they have outscored by a million points

 
msudaisy26 said:
The Cavs were coasting the entire game. The difference is the Celtics are actually making their open shots now. In the 1st quarter it was crazy how many open 3's and lay ups the Cetlics missed. Plus the Cavs were unconscious from 3 for a while. 
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Cavs fans should be worried about that.  If they give GS that many open 3s, they will get mauled.  

 
I'm just saying if the Cavs lose this (due to coasting or not), they lose a couple days of rest to GS. And the fact they can fake themselves out this much that they're even in a close game this late without IT, to me really distances the Dubs as favorites for the title.

 
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