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Well that is utterly humiliating.
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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)
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PG: Chris Paul ($5), Patrick Beverly ($0.50)
SG: Danny Green ($1), Avery Bradley ($2)
SF: Kawhi Leonard ($6), Paul George ($4), Jae Crowder ($2)
PF: Paul Millsap ($4),
C: Demarcus Cousins ($5), Bogut ($0.50)
Cousins would play 25-30 mpg and bully the Cav/Warriors inside. The rest of the team is full of All-Defense talents that can all shoot. Bogut and Beverly would be somewhat situational as they would roll with an 8 man rotation.
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modogg
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i posted this in the basketballguys forum, but thought it should go here too.
I know people are getting kind of sick of the love for the Sixers, and all of the talk of "the process". But honestly, the magic that Hinkie pulled simply can't be under-stated enough. It has been funny hearing people ##### and complain (especially a lot of Philly fans who have no idea what they are talking about) for the last 3 years about how horrible the Sixers were and how what they were doing was a disgrace to the NBA. The simple truth (and i am sure my statements here will be off because i am too lazy to look any up so any Sixers fans can feel free to add them), but the the 2013 Sixers were atrocious. Their record was better, but your team was dependent on Spencer Hawes, Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner and Thadeus Young. Your supporting cast consisted of guys like Kwame Brown, and the man who shall not be named (Mother F&^*ing Bynum). Almost all of these guys were signed to longer contracts and all were bad contracts. To add to this, the 6'ers had given away multiple 1st round draft picks, and had absolutely nothing to look forward for the next 8-10 years because they were just good enough to not be the bottom 3-4 teams. So with no cap space and no draft picks, the team was literally doomed for the next 8-10 years to mediocrity and purgatory.
Looking at the Sixers today, this team (yes we all know if everything works out) could (1) make the playoffs as a 7-8 seed and have the #1 and #4 draft picks in this draft without sacrificing anything else for the future. They have an abundance of options and, if they avoid horrible injuries, literally can only go up.
The reality of what Hinkie did in a 3-year period with this team is truly amazing and should be a roadmap for every single team in how to turn around a franchise. The key is seeing how literally awful the 6ers were 3-4 years ago to realize why many 76ers fans are as enthusiastic as they are.
It is like going from the Browns to (It pains me to say it, but maybe the Cowpokes?) in 3 years. And it is even better then the Cowpokes cause we have multiple options going forward, so even if there is a big setback it won't take the team completely off track.
I know people are getting kind of sick of the love for the Sixers, and all of the talk of "the process". But honestly, the magic that Hinkie pulled simply can't be under-stated enough. It has been funny hearing people ##### and complain (especially a lot of Philly fans who have no idea what they are talking about) for the last 3 years about how horrible the Sixers were and how what they were doing was a disgrace to the NBA. The simple truth (and i am sure my statements here will be off because i am too lazy to look any up so any Sixers fans can feel free to add them), but the the 2013 Sixers were atrocious. Their record was better, but your team was dependent on Spencer Hawes, Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner and Thadeus Young. Your supporting cast consisted of guys like Kwame Brown, and the man who shall not be named (Mother F&^*ing Bynum). Almost all of these guys were signed to longer contracts and all were bad contracts. To add to this, the 6'ers had given away multiple 1st round draft picks, and had absolutely nothing to look forward for the next 8-10 years because they were just good enough to not be the bottom 3-4 teams. So with no cap space and no draft picks, the team was literally doomed for the next 8-10 years to mediocrity and purgatory.
Looking at the Sixers today, this team (yes we all know if everything works out) could (1) make the playoffs as a 7-8 seed and have the #1 and #4 draft picks in this draft without sacrificing anything else for the future. They have an abundance of options and, if they avoid horrible injuries, literally can only go up.
The reality of what Hinkie did in a 3-year period with this team is truly amazing and should be a roadmap for every single team in how to turn around a franchise. The key is seeing how literally awful the 6ers were 3-4 years ago to realize why many 76ers fans are as enthusiastic as they are.
It is like going from the Browns to (It pains me to say it, but maybe the Cowpokes?) in 3 years. And it is even better then the Cowpokes cause we have multiple options going forward, so even if there is a big setback it won't take the team completely off track.
modogg
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nice summary. The only move that i really wanted to happen that we may be lucky it didn't, is i really wanted the Sixers to get Wiggins in that draft. F'n Cavs and their constant grabbing (and failing) with the #1 pick. Looking at it now, it would seem that Embiid may have been what the team really needed, but at that time i was certainly on team Wiggins.
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scoobus
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I think a lot of people are prematurely declaring mission accomplished on Mr. Trust the Process and his grand plan. The 76ers obviously have some great pieces and a bright future moving forward, but it's a lot harder to start trying to win championships than it is to intentionally lose and accumulate assets. I don't mean do damper the enthusiasm, but still a long and uncertain road ahead.
And if they make the playoffs this year I'll eat my hat.
And if they make the playoffs this year I'll eat my hat.
BigSteelThrill
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Mediocrity was absolutely certain before the process. 100% guaranteed.
Being "uncertain", with 5 more first round picks (on teams combined for a 45-81 record) over the next 3 years to add to the current process acquired talent, is an absolute godsend!
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modogg
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basically a bright future with young talent and no future baggage (bad contracts or lost draft picks). Yes the Sixers are not reaching the same regular season goals, but watching this team in '17 you can see it has grown and matured well and honestly, if they avoid injuries there is no where to go but up.
What will be interesting is to see how much better the team can play with Simmons. there will be growing pains for sure, but if they show some signs i think those of us in 76er land will at least be happy.
modogg
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and i'm guessing the main discrepancy is what people are seeing as "mission accompished". Like Big Steel said this team had 0 future and were stuck for a good 8-10 years with the contracts they had, lack of true talent, and no draft picks. The "mission accomplished" for most of us Sixers fans was the turnaround from a doomed franchise for a decade, to a young, up-and-coming team with a bright future.
Everyone agrees championship is the ultimate goal, i guess a way to put it is that the Sixers have a very real chance of that in the next 8 years or so, as opposed to '13 when the team literally had 0% chance for 8-10 years. We were doomed to making playoffs if happy and with lots of luck making it out of the 1st round. The current team has a much higher potential ceiling. So sure Hinkie sold us hope, but also rid of us baggage and debt out the ###.
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Kinda surprised GS hasn't brought him in for some sort of nebulous consulting role, I think he's been hanging around in SV.
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BigSteelThrill said:
I HATE when the league interferes and puts profits ahead of what is in a teams best interest. Fining the Spurs for benching old stars for a nationally televised game was garbage, and interfering with the Sixers front office was horsecrap. You design a system where virtually the only way to rebuild is through the draft, and then punish a team for sacrificing the present for the future.
I understand that sports are big business, but moves like that hurt the leagues integrity. If you take the integrity out of the sport, it can be a quick trip downhill. Right now, the NBA is way better than the NFL, but moves like that where you put television ratings ahead of what is best for the sport, and people will look somewhere else. The NFL has lost track of everything positive by trying to milk every penny from the golden goose. The NBA needs to learn from that.
NBA basketball is not entertainment, it is a sports league. Luckily for them, many people find that league entertaining and that allows them to make giant profits. Hopefully the NBA doesn't sacrifice the integrity of its product chasing dollars like the NFL did. Leave teams to manage their franchises as they see fit, and send a fruit basket with an apology note to Hinkie immediately, because right now he is making you look very foolish.
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I understand that sports are big business, but moves like that hurt the leagues integrity. If you take the integrity out of the sport, it can be a quick trip downhill. Right now, the NBA is way better than the NFL, but moves like that where you put television ratings ahead of what is best for the sport, and people will look somewhere else. The NFL has lost track of everything positive by trying to milk every penny from the golden goose. The NBA needs to learn from that.
NBA basketball is not entertainment, it is a sports league. Luckily for them, many people find that league entertaining and that allows them to make giant profits. Hopefully the NBA doesn't sacrifice the integrity of its product chasing dollars like the NFL did. Leave teams to manage their franchises as they see fit, and send a fruit basket with an apology note to Hinkie immediately, because right now he is making you look very foolish.
Rant over.
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I'm like 74% sure I would not be able to bring myself to set foot in GS' new San Francisco arena.
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Rudy Gay tore his Achilles. Feel really bad for him and hope he recovers soon.
Having said that, hello there Pick Swap
Having said that, hello there Pick Swap
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It would make me sad. I mean you'd have to naive to not think this was coming when Lacob and Guber bought the team, and I'm glad that they financed the thing privately, but it's still a tough pill to swallow.
Insein
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Someone should. Like the Nets or something. What have they got to lose by Hinkie-ing the whole thing?
Charlie Harper
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I'm with you. I only go to 1-2 games a year now because of the price and it'll only go up in SF with fewer seats. I'll probably go to 1 game just to see the arena, but I doubt I'll make a point to go to a game. Coming from the East Bay and getting into SF will suck. Driving to the game will be a headache, so the best way will be getting on BART and yah that means getting home around midnight for weekday games.
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Oh yeah. You're not getting from the final buzzer to BART in less than 20 min. The trains will be jammed, and are coming every 20 min at that point I think.
Lacob's insistent that the atmosphere is going to be the same, I just can't see that being the case.
Charlie Harper
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Ugh. That atmosphere has already started to change. The crowds have been terrible this year. Hopefully, it will go back to Roaracle days once playoffs start.
TobiasFunke
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It's kinda funny that one of the whitest places in America these days is an NBA game in Oakland.
Short Corner
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Anyone who didn't see it coming while they have been holding on to "The City" moniker is pretty ignorant. They were always coming back.
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Gotta give Howard Eskin credit....he's going down as the Captain of the "Hinkie sucks and didn't really do anything" ship. This week he chastized Hinkie's "analytics" for not being good enough to predict The Greek Freak and Porzingas.
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That's why the dream scenario of playoff push, combined with getting a top 3 pick (via sac pick swap), and pushing the lakers pick to 4 needs to happen.
He inexplicably ripped that kings trade when it happened so badly and it needs to completely blow up in his face.
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Bummer for the Kings. I don't think they were going to make the playoffs, but they were definitely in contention. At worst, they could have traded Gay for something useful at the deadline. Now there is little hope of the playoffs and they are going to be stuck paying Gay $14 million next year to likely be a shell of his former self unless he hates the Kings even more than has been reported.
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The Kings were spiraling with him in there. I wonder if they will get the same post-Rudy bounce that most teams get after they trade him.
I think he gets a deal >$14m (maybe not annually, but longer term) this summer. Don't think this ultimately changes his opt out decision.
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I guess for what its worth, Wes Matthews got a 4/70 deal after tearing his Achilles. I tend to think that Matthews was a little better player than Gay pre injuries and Matthews was two years younger, but I think it is a fair comparison. Prior to the injury, I bet Gay was looking at a contract is the 4/100 range, but he's probably looking at a contract similar to the one Matthews got now.
That's probably about right. Gay is/was a better offense generator and probably more explosive, but that probably cuts against him in this context because he had more to lose from the injury. Matthews was a much better defender.
This injury might have hurt the Thunder as much as anybody. I think they could have used him as a offensive focal point when Westbrook rests, and they probably could have obtained Gay for virtually nothing here in a week or two.
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