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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)
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I'm pretty sure LA could do better if they really wanted to trade Griffin and his Bird rights. Crowder's a nice player, but Gay is crap and only has a year left. nlake goes and you risk Paul following him out the door next summer.
Cliff Clavin
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mr. furley
Footballguy
caught myself watching 3 Sixers summer league games recently
man that Simmons guy cannot shoot. even free throws. lots of work to do on making him a threat from beyond 8 feet.
creative passer and you can see he understands the game and moves well but... holy ####... i shoot better.
man that Simmons guy cannot shoot. even free throws. lots of work to do on making him a threat from beyond 8 feet.
creative passer and you can see he understands the game and moves well but... holy ####... i shoot better.
Jayrod
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I tend to weigh player's peaks more heavily than longevity, but I also put a very high premium on MVP's. I think the career peaks of Shaq & Duncan are actually pretty close. Shaq's very best season is better than Duncan's very best, but the more years you add to the comparison, the more Duncan gains to the point that when comparing their best 5 seasons it isn't even a debate.
1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Wilt 4. LeBron 5. Russell 6. Bird 7. Magic 8. Duncan 9. Shaq
1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Wilt 4. LeBron 5. Russell 6. Bird 7. Magic 8. Duncan 9. Shaq
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This would probably be OKC's best bet as I don't see any chance he stays...the issue for the C's is can you resign him...if so do what it takes...but if there is a doubt they need to be real careful...they need to get a long-term fixture for those Brooklyn picks not a one-year rental...those picks (or dealing those picks) are the path to contending for a championship...they can't be too risky with them...they won't get this opportunity again...“What I’m hearing here in Las Vegas from some GMs is that they think not only Russell Westbrook will get traded, that it’ll be sooner than later,” Beck said in a video posted Wednesday morning, “and that the most likely destination now would be the Boston Celtics.”
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Cliff Clavin
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The current rule for away-from-the-play fouls applicable to the last two minutes of the fourth period (and last two minutes of any overtime) – pursuant to which the fouled team is awarded one free throw and retains possession of the ball – will be extended to the last two minutes of each period.
Garbage.
Garbage.
the moops
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The other rule is the garbage one, IMO.The current rule for away-from-the-play fouls applicable to the last two minutes of the fourth period (and last two minutes of any overtime) – pursuant to which the fouled team is awarded one free throw and retains possession of the ball – will be extended to the last two minutes of each period.
Garbage.
* For inbounds situations, a defensive foul at any point during the game that occurs before the ball is released by the inbounder (including a "legitimate" or "natural" basketball action such as a defender fighting through a screen) will be administered in the same fashion as an away-from-the-play foul committed during the last two minutes of any period (i.e., one free throw and possession of the ball).
mr. furley
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well, at this point of his career he's already clearly much better than either of them at their peak but his jumper looks like he's just learned to put his arms above his head for the first time
Baloney Sandwich
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The Celtics would have a year to convince Westbrook that they are the best place for him and would be able to offer him the most money, I think it is a risk worth taking depending on the price. At minimum I would think you are looking at next year's Brooklyn pick and Brown.
Kev4029
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Nobody deserves a break quite like those tortured Boston sports fans.“What I’m hearing here in Las Vegas from some GMs is that they think not only Russell Westbrook will get traded, that it’ll be sooner than later,” Beck said in a video posted Wednesday morning, “and that the most likely destination now would be the Boston Celtics.”
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We don't know what they'd be giving up yet.
One has to assume that it'll be at least Thomas and the Brooklyn pick. That's a pretty good start in terms of starting over. I think OKC is wise to just cash in RWB, instead of trying to tread water and pray that Westbrook re-signs.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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I feel like you have forgotten how good Shaq's five best seasons really were.
For example, looking at some of the advanced stats that get thrown around in here, Shaq has eight seasons with a better PER than Duncan's best season. Looking at the Win Shares/48 season for each, Shaq has five of the top six between them.
Those are just two numbers and people argue over their value, but I don't really see a case for Duncan's five best being better than Shaq's five best, much less "not even a debate".
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mr. furley
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going strictly off memory of Shaq and the games i watched Duncan play
when Duncan was at his peak and the Spurs were winning titles it always felt like "he's difficult to stop and he's going to impact the game" but when watching Shaq it was "jesus effing cheese he just destroys people at will".
Notorious T.R.E.
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Feel like they'd try to hang on to Thomas. Avery or Smart and Crowder or Brown and the Nets pick?We don't know what they'd be giving up yet.
One has to assume that it'll be at least Thomas and the Brooklyn pick. That's a pretty good start in terms of starting over. I think OKC is wise to just cash in RWB, instead of trying to tread water and pray that Westbrook re-signs.
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Oddly enough the Big O just convinced me on the radio why you have to make this move ( or one for Griffin) even if there are questions about him resigning...I am onboard...if you only have to give up one Net pick that would be great...gotta believe Isiah maybe part of a deal...don't see him fitting in with Westbrook...if you can get something done with one Net pick, Thomas and a choice of other picks and/or players not named Brown, Crowder, Bradley and Horford that would put them in a position to contend now and for years to come...
Jayrod
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I think you are right. I stand corrected. Duncan doesn't seem to really surpass Shaq in those kind of stats until like year 7.
I guess I was mainly hung up on the MVP's.
If the Thunder are blowing it up, I'm not sure they should be all that interested in those guys as they aren't going to move the needle. I'd be pushing for a ton of picks, including both Nets picks.
the moops
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Well, you only get so much with no guaranteed signing. I'd think Avery/Brown and the Nets pick would be a pretty good haul, for example.
I think Thomas would happily go back to being a stud 6th man on a contender.
the moops
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No chance you get that much for a soon to be free agent who has already stated that he is not going to sign an extension
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I think you're only realizing like 30% of Thomas' potential if you have Westbrook. Only one ball, and all that.
That's what I'd be asking for if I'm the Thunder, not necessarily what the C's would/should do. Avery Bradley doesn't do anything to keep me out of the bottom of the West, and IMO Jaylen Brown isn't a great prospect though intelligent people may differ on that.
All that said, if the C's are in win now mode, hanging onto Crowder is worth quite a bit. Ainge already demonstrated a willingness to overpay for guys using draft capital in the proposed Winslow deal, which may be a very self-aware acknowledgement that he's not the best drafter in the league. If they think there's a solid chance that Westbrook resigns I don't think that's a terrible trade for Boston.
Notorious T.R.E.
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I'm torn on this one. Don't really like the rule, but my team has Andre Drummond, so...The current rule for away-from-the-play fouls applicable to the last two minutes of the fourth period (and last two minutes of any overtime) – pursuant to which the fouled team is awarded one free throw and retains possession of the ball – will be extended to the last two minutes of each period.
Garbage.
Long Ball Larry
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Billy King is terrible, but he was also under a specific mandate from ownership (by all accounts), which has finally been relaxed.
Baloney Sandwich
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"Today, the basketball gods smiled on the Nets," said Nets Principal Owner Mikhail Prokhorov. "With the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, we have achieved a great balance on our roster between veteran stars and young talents. This team will be dazzling to watch, and tough to compete against."
Cliff Clavin
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Bruce Dickinson
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Refs will also have the discretion to rule Hack-A-Fouls away from the ball as Flagrant-1s. So the stuff we've seen the last few years of a player jumping on Andre Jordan's back 50 feet away from the play the instant LAC gets possession now carries the risk of a Flagrant Foul call.
the moops
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I would think he wasn't under a mandate to trade away 4 first round picks for a 37 year old KG, a 36 year old Pierce, and a 36 year old Terry
Boston
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Po llll
That is the x-factor (and it's a big one) but I think you gotta roll the dice on it and hope he wants to stay...having him here for a year means you can pay him more than anyone else and more often than not players who come to Boston like it...it is near impossible to get these elite players so you need to take this risk...especially if you can do it and keep one Brooklyn pick...with him there they will be a legit contender with a young core...I would like to see them keep Brown...he and Westbrook on the court together could make for some very entertaining highlights...serious athleticism that could really create some issues...
Bruce Dickinson
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At the peak of his powers, Shaq had awesome not-quite-full seasons that hurt him come MVP voting time. 1998 was amazing on a per-game basis, but he only played 60 games. Same deal with 67-game 2002. His 49-game 1999 wasn't injury-shortened; that was a lockout-shortened 50-game season where he was the best player but LAL was only the 4-seed in the West, so Karl Malone got MVP instead since his team won six more games.
Cliff Clavin
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Just when you thought Draymond couldn't be an even bigger #####...
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rodg12
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Yeah, this is awful. Unfairly increases the risk on a defensive team trying to force a 5 second violation.
Cliff Clavin
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Changing the rules because a few guys can't make a fundamental play (which a 12 year old girl can) is ####### stupid.
Don't Noonan
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It seems to me that Akeem Olajuwon is getting overlooked here when looking at all time greats. I see MJ at the top but Akeem is ahead of Shaq imo. My memory is that head to head Akeem owned Shaq.
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Jayrod
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I sort of agree, but away from the ball intentional fouls are crap plays. They have nothing to do with the game and make for poor entertainment. I think if the guy has the ball, hack away, but if he is just running down the court after a rebound they should be treated like the intentional foul that they are.
Cliff Clavin
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Or... the 3 or 4 guys could either learn to shoot free throws or feel the shame and embarrassment every time they get fouled.
Notorious T.R.E.
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