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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (4 Viewers)
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Cliff Clavin
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the moops
Footballguy
Mike Stanton
Lew Alcindor
Cassius Clay
Shaq averaged 22/12 and shot 54% from the floor against Hakeem.
Hakeem averaged 18/9 and shot 45% from the floor against Shaq
Your memory sucks. And Shaq dominated him even more in the playoffs
Insein
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
They should switch it. It should be applicable to the rest of the game and excluded from the last three minutes of each period. You want to play crunch time, learn to make an effin free throw.The current rule for away-from-the-play fouls applicable to the last two minutes of the fourth period (and last two minutes of any overtime) – pursuant to which the fouled team is awarded one free throw and retains possession of the ball – will be extended to the last two minutes of each period.
Garbage.
Don't Noonan
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Nope, my memory is pretty good on this. I know Akeem dominated him early. Maybe those numbers you quoted were against Hakeem.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
More accurately, they're being changed because teams are exploiting the fact that a few guys can't make a fundamental play.
It does seem ridiculous to reward the Howards, Drummonds, and Jordans of the world, but the NBA has a product to sell.
mr. furley
Footballguy
watching these summer league games is great
"he was the #2 pick in the draft. love this potential. he's long, lean, he's got a lot of upside. he really needs to work on his passing, his shooting, his ball handling, free throws, his post game, defense, court vision and ability to finish around the rim. but he's young and can be taught.. in 6 years he should be a capable bench rotation guy if everything breaks his way"
Cliff Clavin
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Exploiting your opponents weakness is how you win games. PG that can't make a 15 foot jumper? Exploit it. Big that can't make a shot outside of 5 feet? Exploit it. Slow wing guy? Exploit it. Playing Kobe? Let him shoot.More accurately, they're being changed because teams are exploiting the fact that a few guys can't make a fundamental play.
It does seem ridiculous to reward the Howards, Drummonds, and Jordans of the world, but the NBA has a product to sell.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Hakeem changed his name in 1991. Shaq's fist year in the league was 1992
Maybe Akeem did dominate a 15 year old Shaq in some pickup game though
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
But exploiting those weaknesses doesn't force TNT to pre-empt re-runs of "The Last Ship."
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Akeem was a much better defender than Shaq so I give him the edge as a better player. Akeem had better numbers accross the board except for slightly lower points per game and fg%..Hakeem changed his name in 1991. Shaq's fist year in the league was 1992
Maybe Akeem did dominate a 15 year old Shaq in some pickup game though
the moops
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Kevin Nesgoda@KDN4
I’m hearing that the Westbrook to Boston deal is basically in place and now just waiting on the final details to be worked out.
I’m hearing that the Westbrook to Boston deal is basically in place and now just waiting on the final details to be worked out.
Don't Noonan
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Akeem
Well crap, can't link story on my phone
Well crap, can't link story on my phone
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Jayrod
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I'd love this. I've been admiring the work of Stevens for a while now and I'm interested to see what he can do with a talent like Westbrook.
Tau837
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Why not leave flagrant and normal play foul rules alone, and simply add an intentional foul call to be made for fouls intentionally committed not in the flow of the game (official's judgment). If a foul is called intentional, let any player on the floor shoot the free throws. If this rule was added, the inbounds and last two minute rules on fouls could be eliminated.
This would completely eliminate the problem, and I don't see any downside.
Tau837
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The difference is that all of your other examples occur within the flow of the game. The intentional fouling disrupts the flow of the game.
Cliff Clavin
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Niles Standish
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Shaq won twice as many titles as Olajuwon. And he was a pretty dominant defender too although not as good as Hakeem. Plus a better offensive player. I think both are similar personally.
Tau837
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I disagree. Fouls that occur in normal game flow are indeed part of that game flow. Non-intentional fouls are normal; heck, even many intentional fouls (e.g., to stop a layup) are normal. A series of several straight possessions with intentional fouls to put a bad free throw shooter on the free throw line is not normal game flow.
How can you not recognize the difference?
Short Corner
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Big guys are going to take a beating because of the new rule. Instead of taking an obvious soft foul away from the ball, anytime they post or set picks, guys are going to take liberties in fighting for position out just blow up screens.
Abraham
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1995 Finals - Dream went for 33ppg, 11.5rpg, 5.5apg AND 2 blocks and 2 steals per game. Shaq 28 / 12.5 / 6.3 / and 2.5 blocks. Both were ####### awesome and the assist numbers for both guys really stand out. Edge to Hakeem for sure but I wouldn't call it dominating outside of the 4-0 series win.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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The league really just wants to de-emphasize dribbling and shooting in the game.
bud29
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bud29
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OKC does have its own pick this year, but I believe Boston just owns swapping rights with Brooklyn in '17 - they don't own the pick outright like they do in '18.
the moops
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GOB
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bud29
Footballguy
Boston can trade its own first rounder with the associated swap rights attached. So they basically have Brooklyn's pick next year, but you are right that they don't have both Brooklyn's pick and their own to deal, for what that's worth.
Rirruto
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Absolutely. The 2017 Brooklyn pick is one of the most valuable assets that could realistically be available. It's very probably a top 5 pick in a draft where scouts see 5 franchise players. When you factor in salary and team control there's not really anything on the market more valuable. Sure KAT is a more valuable piece, but he's not available.
I think we could look back 10 years from now and call a trade including that pick for Westbrook an all-time bonehead move. Why rent a star in a year where 4 of the top 15 players are on one team? This isn't the year to mortgage the future to win now.
Insein
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Saric makes it official.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-dario-saric-to-sign-with-sixers-on-friday/
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-dario-saric-to-sign-with-sixers-on-friday/
Abraham
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I imagine they wouldn't make the trade without some sort of assurance of an extension. And even though the best team usually wins, they don't always win. Westbrook on the Celtics should make them one of the three top contenders to make the NBA Finals. Every team in the league would find that an enviable position.
This is why sports are going downhill. It should be a sport first, but greed is going to greed. Have to milk every penny.
Abraham
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Long Ball Larry
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Spartans Rule
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Frostillicus
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Pitchers thrown downhill.
I should have wrote for me. The goal of sports is to win. I hated it when the Spurs got fined for resting players for a nationally televised game, and I hated it when the league inserted itself into the Philly situation because they didn't like Hinkie's methods, Both were teams positioning themselves for future success, and should be acceptable strategies. The business does not exist without the sport, and IMO, the majority of the changes are to the detriment of the sport. This is more of an NFL rant, as I don't think the problem is as big in the NBA but I hate it when changes are made to cheapen the sport to encourage viewership.
This is very much a get off my lawn position, and I understand that I am in the extreme minority. The FA rush is over, and it seemed like a good place to whine. Since I believe there is a lot of crossover with the soccer thread, I would love for the relegation system to be introduced into US sports. There is nothing sporting about making billions with a fledgling franchise with no incentive to win.
Boston
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Lot of talk of that on the radio today...said you probably won't be able to do that because it makes zero sense for Westbrook (or Griffin) to sign now (also means OKC can squeeze you only so much)...that being said there is no guarantee that the Brooklyn pick will be top 3 as well...they will be bad but they could be the third or fourth worst and that could turn into the #6 pick...another scenario is if you don't make a deal like this and the injury bug hits you could end up with a worse record than last year and lose the momentum you have been gaining which has allowed you to sign Horford and be in the KD sweepstakes...ton of variables here both good and bad but the more I look at it the more I lean towards rolling the dice because getting franchise-level players is so difficult...
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I don't know. I imagine already incredible speed, now going downhill would lead to a loss of body control, and the ability to change direction. Smaller WRs would get destroyed with the loss of lateral quickness. Definitely bump big backs in this scenario. Pass rushers would become useless.
Abraham
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I disagree that it is rolling the dice. They aren't making the deal without assurances that he will stay. And if that is the case than it's worth giving up a lot. Getting a top 5 player, even a top 10 player changes the team in a hurry. How many teams out there would add 10-12 wins by adding Westbrook. "Most of them."
Boston
Footballguy
I am confused by this...obviously they make a deal if they know they can sign him...the issue is they most likely will not have that agreement since it makes no sense for him to do it when he has a full year to take a test drive...
Abraham
Footballguy
Fair point for sure. I imagine okc would want a kings ransom regardless and the suitor would only offer that if it was mostly sure he would resign. I guess my point was that if a deal is made it will be done if the acquiring team is sure he's staying.
im in Los Angeles and my bartender hates the idea of trading Russell and Ingram for Westbrook, which surprises me. I guess people love potential.
Boston
Footballguy
People always love the next big thing...the grass is always greener...
As stated I don't see Westbrook agreeing to sign with anyone because it makes no sense for him...why give up free agency and commit to a team he may or may not like...he really gains nothing from it...
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