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Anyone want to join my fantasy basketball league? I have 12 owners, but would like to add a few more. Unique league that tries to get rid of the tedious nature of fantasy basketball.

Lazy Man's Fantasy Basketball League

Draft: Thursday (10/20) @ 1945 pacific.

Yahoo!

$25

Weekly H2H Points

2PG/2SG/2SF/2PF/1C/1UTL NO BENCH

1 FAAB pick up per week between 2 FAAB bidding days (Sun/Wed). 

Pretty much gets rid of having to set lineups & do waiver wire moves daily. Makes it more similar to fantasy football with weekly management. 

PM your email/cell and I'll send invite and Venmo/PayPal info.

 
thecatch said:
D'Angelo Russell looks pretty intriguing. He's already may have Dame Lillard's game, although without any of Lillard's intangibles. The rest of that roster outside Clarkson though... oof. 
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This is a really weird statement.  Lillard is twice the shooter Russell is right now and Russell is pretty much all intangibles.

 
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Notorious T.R.E. said:
This is a really weird statement.  Lillard is twice the shooter Russell is right now and Russell is pretty much all intangibles.
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He's not all intangibles.  From what I've seen, he can basically get his shot against anyone shorter and has developed a better handle to exploit the pick and roll.  Granted the 3 point shot still needs work, but he's going to be at least an above average NBA PG.  

Ingram is going to be a player as well.  Randle on the other hand, means well, but is limited to what is in front of him.  No real deception or thought to his game and he still can't shoot.  They should really tank again and keep those 2 first round picks especially with this draft.  

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
This is a really weird statement.  Lillard is twice the shooter Russell is right and Russell is pretty much all intangibles.
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Twice the shooter, really?  I have Dame in my top 10 players so I'm not putting them in the same tier by any means yet, but they have some similarities and I think Russell takes a leap this year. They can both stroke it from deep and have great passing vision. Neither one of them are interested in defense. Russell looks like he's a locker room cancer, obviously, but he's also 6 years younger. IMO he's a much better prospect than I gave him credit for last year. 

 
How would you rank these players moving forward? 

Karl-Anthony Towns: 20 years old-soon to be 21 (Nov.), signed through 18-19 season on rookie deal

Anthony Davis: 23 years old, signed 5 year extension in 2015, signed through 20-21 season

Kawhi Leonard: 25 years old, signed through 18-19, with player option in 19-20.

 
Timmay said:
How would you rank these players moving forward? 

Karl-Anthony Towns: 20 years old-soon to be 21 (Nov.), signed through 18-19 season on rookie deal

Anthony Davis: 23 years old, signed 5 year extension in 2015, signed through 20-21 season

Kawhi Leonard: 25 years old, signed through 18-19, with player option in 19-20.
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Rank them?  Or value them under their current contracts?

 
Timmay said:
How would you rank these players moving forward? 

Karl-Anthony Towns: 20 years old-soon to be 21 (Nov.), signed through 18-19 season on rookie deal

Anthony Davis: 23 years old, signed 5 year extension in 2015, signed through 20-21 season

Kawhi Leonard: 25 years old, signed through 18-19, with player option in 19-20.
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KAT

Kawhi

Brow

 
Timmay said:
How would you rank these players moving forward? 

Karl-Anthony Towns: 20 years old-soon to be 21 (Nov.), signed through 18-19 season on rookie deal

Anthony Davis: 23 years old, signed 5 year extension in 2015, signed through 20-21 season

Kawhi Leonard: 25 years old, signed through 18-19, with player option in 19-20.
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If I was starting a franchise from scratch today, my first pick would be Karl-Anthony Towns in a millisecond.

 
KAT for sure. 

- Any big man who can shoot a high % from the free throw line, pass, and defend is a true building block. 

- Then you add in his age, lack of injury history, AND rookie contract.....and it's no question you start with KAT.

 
The contract stuff makes it a no-brainer for Towns IMO.  I think maybe the more interesting question is if you assume that the player will be with your franchise for the next ten seasons on a max deal, so same player control and salary for all three. I still think maybe I'd go Towns given Davis' injury history and Leonard's age, but it's a much closer question.

 
Dumb question I'm sure, but you don't a cable subscription for League Pass, right? Works like MLB.tv? I had it years ago, but don't remember. 

 
Predictions?????

Mine: 

Realistic NBA Champion: Golden State Warriors

Sleeper NBA Champion: Indiana Pacers

NBA MVP: James Harden

Defensive MVP: Kawhi Leonard

Rookie of the Year: Joel Embiid

Scoring Champ: Russell Westbrook

Most Improved: Trevor Ariza

Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford, but I want Z-Bo. 

 
Timmay said:
Predictions?????

Mine: 

Realistic NBA Champion: Orlando Magic

Sleeper NBA Champion: GSW

NBA MVP: Serge Ibaka

Defensive MVP: Aaron Gordon

Rookie of the Year: Brandon Ingram

Scoring Champ: Evan Fournier

Most Improved: Elfrid Payton

Sixth Man: Mario Hezonja
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Sammy3469 said:
He's not all intangibles.  From what I've seen, he can basically get his shot against anyone shorter and has developed a better handle to exploit the pick and roll.  Granted the 3 point shot still needs work, but he's going to be at least an above average NBA PG.  

Ingram is going to be a player as well.  Randle on the other hand, means well, but is limited to what is in front of him.  No real deception or thought to his game and he still can't shoot.  They should really tank again and keep those 2 first round picks especially with this draft.  
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I meant he has awesome intangibles like passing vision, ball handling, creativity type ####.  Shot is developing and I think he'll eventually take better shots and be better for it.  You can see it when he blows up on occasion and has a big game.  I guess I was most surprised by the statement that Lillard has more intangibles.  I think Russell is going to be an all star eventually.  

Twice the shooter is a bit of hyperbole, but Lillard is a crazy good shooter.  Shooting 38% from 3 when you have the ball that much and are taking 8 threes a game is p good. :shrug:  a bit of 

 
Timmay said:
Predictions?????

Mine: 

Realistic NBA Champion: Golden State Warriors

Sleeper NBA Champion: Indiana Pacers

NBA MVP: James Harden

Defensive MVP: Kawhi Leonard

Rookie of the Year: Joel Embiid

Scoring Champ: Russell Westbrook

Most Improved: Trevor Ariza

Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford, but I want Z-Bo. 
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Realistic NBA Champion: Golden State Warriors

Sleeper NBA Champion: LA Clippers (I assume anyone other than CLE and GSW is eligible here)

NBA MVP: Kevin Durant

Defensive MVP: Paul George

Rookie of the Year: Joel Embiid

Scoring Champ: Russell Westbrook

Most Improved: Devin Booker

Sixth Man: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 
As a Thunder homer...  for the two of you that think Russell Westbrook may win the scoring title, would he not also be the favorite for MVP?  I mean I assume his league lead in scoring would involve 5+ triple doubles and a stat line of 30+ points, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds.  

Of course much like the Heisman, the MVP has become the best player on one of the best teams so the Thunder's 45-50 wins may hurt his MVP chances.

For reference, RW's stat line last year was 23.5, 10.4, 7.8.  His assists will be down this year, maybe even to 8, but I don't see his rebounds dropping below 7.  It's too big a part of his game/attitude.

 
Poke_4_Life said:
As a Thunder homer...  for the two of you that think Russell Westbrook may win the scoring title, would he not also be the favorite for MVP?  I mean I assume his league lead in scoring would involve 5+ triple doubles and a stat line of 30+ points, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds.  

Of course much like the Heisman, the MVP has become the best player on one of the best teams so the Thunder's 45-50 wins may hurt his MVP chances.

For reference, RW's stat line last year was 23.5, 10.4, 7.8.  His assists will be down this year, maybe even to 8, but I don't see his rebounds dropping below 7.  It's too big a part of his game/attitude.
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The two things I think might keep him from winning the MVP:

1.  I don't think the team wins more than 45 games, like you said that will hurt his case even though maybe it shouldn't. If they manage to crack 50 that would change everything.

2.  Efficiency will be lower, a guy like Durant will be just a couple ppg behind him with something like a 10% edge in TS%.

 
TobiasFunke said:
The two things I think might keep him from winning the MVP:

1.  I don't think the team wins more than 45 games, like you said that will hurt his case even though maybe it shouldn't. If they manage to crack 50 that would change everything.

2.  Efficiency will be lower, a guy like Durant will be just a couple ppg behind him with something like a 10% edge in TS%.
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Agreed with the above.

Harden and Westbrook are going to be neck and neck all year on both the MVP and scoring title imo and both Harden and Westbrook are going to lead the league in turnovers. But I think the Rockets are going to have a better record and that will be the deciding factor in the MVP race even though both players are going to put up very similar numbers all year. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
The two things I think might keep him from winning the MVP:

1.  I don't think the team wins more than 45 games, like you said that will hurt his case even though maybe it shouldn't. If they manage to crack 50 that would change everything.

2.  Efficiency will be lower, a guy like Durant will be just a couple ppg behind him with something like a 10% edge in TS%.
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Vegas has their line at 45.5 wins.  I want to think that's low, but Vegas wasn't built by losing money.  The first few months of this season could be 'eventful' for the Thunder, but hopefully they get it together by January.

Also, as a fan of the team I really hope RW can find a way to keep his assists around 10 and his points under 30.  That would mean a better W/L record overall and other players are contributing.

 
Shaq bought a Krispy Kreme.  

As phrased, doesn't seem like news.  But he bought an established Krispy Kreme store in Atlanta.  So Shaq is officially in the donut business.

O/U number of boxes of Krispy Kremes Shaq and Barkley tear through this season in the Inside The NBA Studio; 5,824,376.5

 
Poke_4_Life said:
Vegas has their line at 45.5 wins.  I want to think that's low, but Vegas wasn't built by losing money.  The first few months of this season could be 'eventful' for the Thunder, but hopefully they get it together by January.

Also, as a fan of the team I really hope RW can find a way to keep his assists around 10 and his points under 30.  That would mean a better W/L record overall and other players are contributing.
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The big issue with the Thunder, is who is going to score besides Westbrook? Teams can zero in on stopping him, that is a big if, because Westy is a freak, but I see the Thunder struggling to score on a lot of nights. Rockets at least have gobs and gobs of offensive weapons while they can't stop anyone on defense. Thunder won't be able to do either. 

Kanter can get his 15-10. I dont trust Oladipo, he will have to significantly improve his outside shot for teams not to clog the middle against him. Adams while a really good player, doesnt create his own on offense. Robertson? No thanks. 

 
I can't wait to watch some basketball.

Last year was a smashing success for the Association.

Let's hope for health and absurd trade offers.

 
Timmay said:
The big issue with the Thunder, is who is going to score besides Westbrook? Teams can zero in on stopping him, that is a big if, because Westy is a freak, but I see the Thunder struggling to score on a lot of nights. Rockets at least have gobs and gobs of offensive weapons while they can't stop anyone on defense. Thunder won't be able to do either. 

Kanter can get his 15-10. I dont trust Oladipo, he will have to significantly improve his outside shot for teams not to clog the middle against him. Adams while a really good player, doesnt create his own on offense. Robertson? No thanks. 
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Oladipo and Kanter both are 15ppg+ guys I would expect.  Ilyasova and Sabonis will chip in.  Abrines is a big key...can he be a spot up shooter/floor spacer for Westbrook?

It is a problem that guys like Roberson and Adams aren't big offensive threats and guys like Abrines/Kanter/Ilyasova can't defend.

 
Hoiberg announced that Taj Gibson is going to start at the 5 on opening night. How far back would we need to look to find a worse shooting starting 5 than Rondo, Wade, Butler, Gibson, and Lopez?

 
If Orlando starts:

Biyombo

Ibaka

Gordon

Fournier (He is good but what a funky shot)

Payton

ETA: 3x today I've tried quoting posts and it won't submit. ####### board sucks.

 
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Notorious T.R.E. said:
I meant he has awesome intangibles like passing vision, ball handling, creativity type ####.  Shot is developing and I think he'll eventually take better shots and be better for it.  You can see it when he blows up on occasion and has a big game.  I guess I was most surprised by the statement that Lillard has more intangibles.  I think Russell is going to be an all star eventually.  

Twice the shooter is a bit of hyperbole, but Lillard is a crazy good shooter.  Shooting 38% from 3 when you have the ball that much and are taking 8 threes a game is p good. :shrug:  a bit of 
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I meant off court intangibles - Lillard is developing a reputation as a beloved team leader. Russell shot 35.1% from three as a young rookie and has looked great shooting it in preseason from what I saw. 

I'm going to need a shower after talking up a Laker player. 

 
GOB said:
If Orlando starts:

Biyombo

Ibaka

Gordon

Fournier (He is good but what a funky shot)

Payton

ETA: 3x today I've tried quoting posts and it won't submit. ####### board sucks.
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I dont understand why Orlando is evening toying with the idea of putting Gordon at the 3. Is Biyombo really starting over Vucevic? Fournier is going to put up buckets mainly because he has to and probably go 8-10 for 24-28 in doing so. 

 
Even with the young talent and hype surrounding the team, I think if the Wolves can be around .500 at seasons end, it was a good year. 

 
GOB said:
If Orlando starts:

Biyombo

Ibaka

Gordon

Fournier (He is good but what a funky shot)

Payton

ETA: 3x today I've tried quoting posts and it won't submit. ####### board sucks.
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Ibaka and Fournier are both good shooters. Disqualified.

 
GOB said:
Removed. Plus Vucevic should start. 

I still think they are going to be abysmal shooting.
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I agree. Forcing Gordon to play the 3 nearly full time is going to be a big mistake. I actually liked the Ibaka trade for them at the time. I was hoping they were going to play a lot of Payton-Fournier-Hezonja-Gordon-Ibaka lineups that had a chance to hold their own defensively, and would have been a lot of fun offensively. Instead, it seems like they are going to play big and be no fun at all.

 
thecatch said:
I meant off court intangibles - Lillard is developing a reputation as a beloved team leader. Russell shot 35.1% from three as a young rookie and has looked great shooting it in preseason from what I saw. 

I'm going to need a shower after talking up a Laker player. 
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Where does ratting on teammates rank on the intangible list?

 
Kev4029 said:
I agree. Forcing Gordon to play the 3 nearly full time is going to be a big mistake. I actually liked the Ibaka trade for them at the time. I was hoping they were going to play a lot of Payton-Fournier-Hezonja-Gordon-Ibaka lineups that had a chance to hold their own defensively, and would have been a lot of fun offensively. Instead, it seems like they are going to play big and be no fun at all.
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I don't get what they are doing either, but I think Vogel will figure it out over the next couple of months. Skiles skipping town was an amazing stroke of luck for them because they were able to really upgrade the coaching staff. 

 
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