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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (3 Viewers)
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Dedfin
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I don't hate him. I think something is bothering him and I hope things work out for the best.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
The Warriors' spacing is too good for Jones to do all 3 of those things before someone stops him. It would never happen.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
He apologized last year to a select few, pseudo privately. Unfortunately I deleted it. Whatever he was going to work on going forward has failed miserably. I feel bad actually.
Dedfin
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lol you have a strange definition of quality. Putting any type of blame on the GS coaches because you are a Cavs homer certainly is not it.
A fitting end to the discussion. Nothing quality to add, per the norm.
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Dedfin
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Dedfin
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Most of it. When they zoomed into Steve Kerr, didn't you think he looked pretty high? If I were Steve Kerr, that's what I'd look like if I were high.
TobiasFunke
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As someone with extensive experience here, I disagree. Kerr seemed pretty chill throughout the game. My usual reaction to watching the NBA while high is consistent jaw-dropping disbelief that a person somehow got the ball go through the little ring after being given such a small window of time and space to do so. And don't even get me started on guys making free throws during road games. Mind-boggling. Also I didn't see Kerr eating any popcorn.
Bobcat10
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It was a common foul, at most, that wasn't called in mop up time. You're wondering why there isn't all kinds of outrage over it. Well, that's one reason why. Maybe the ref actually thought Curry did a bit of acting...who knows. If it was actually dirty enough to cause an injury, you better believe people, even your great fan base, would be putting blame on the coaches. If you don't, then you're the big homer here.
DJackson10
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I agree however there has been stretches where there's no offense and LeBron isn't even trying to buy a bucket. This happened a lot more in his earlier days then now but it's not uncommon where he goes through a stretch in a game or two once in awhile where this happens especially in some big games. It's just something I don't like about the guy and feel why MJ was better. MJ would've never have sit back if the team was losing and never seemed afraid to take the last shot. Pippen last week i think even said there was never a discussion who would take the last shot for us. It was always Mike unless for some reason he wasn't on the floor. LeBron at times to me seems timid and afraid to mess up. He says he doesn't care what people think or fans view him but you can see by his play at times it does bother him. IMHO if he wasn't afraid what the public thought he be more aggressive about those things and this wouldn't be something talked about.
msudaisy26
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I guess you forgot about the time Jordan passed to Steve Kerr of all people to take a last second shot to finish off the finals. Guess they left that out of the Gatorade commercial.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Oh I try to enjoy games. In fact I enjoy college ball way more then the pros. It's just hard to enjoy the NBA anymore when there's issue many refuse to fix and then the fans will say they like this but then say things well it's not fair my team doesn't have these guys. Well didn't you say a bit back you enjoyed seeing Superstars team up? It's either or can't have both. Another issue is I tend to have family and friends who know I know more about the game then them and it's frustrating to try and explain something in the game to them when what you are explaining as an actual rule isn't either being enforced on the court or enforced the wrong way. Then that person is confused and well then I get frustrated and angry and can't enjoy the game. So I really try hard if I'm explaining basketball to stick to College ball especially considering the local interest for Villanova has grown big time in the last few yrs here in Philly. They play a nice style of basketball that you can easily explain the rules and plays with. College sure makes some mistakes but I see more of it happening in the NBA then College and at the NBA level you shouldn't have that many mistakes. Like Lebron's GW to eliminate I believe Tor the NBA cameback a day or two later and was like whoops our guys goofed it shouldn't have counted. Really that inexcusable at this level to miss calls like that. I'm sorry.
DJackson10
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I always found it helpful when a ref or someone explained rules in our sport. We had an umpire in our Babe Ruth league that was really good behind the plate. When he called balls and strikes was almost like he was doing play by play. Ball over the plate but lower then the knees. Strike at the chest. As a player who use to pitch I found it incredible helpful as you learned his strike zone fast and he was a very fair umpire. In fact it wasn't a hugely competitively league and I had some issues with a few pitches so in-between innings he was showing me how to throw a Split Change and slurve. Was showing another kid on the other team some proper batting mechanics. Parents coaches and players loved the guy.
Like you my dad does the something with Soccer. he played young and coached my brothers and I and even officiated 2 yrs as a volunteer during a ref shortage. I can't watch a game with him or even take him to enjoy a game because all he does is complain how the players don't do this or that. I mean I'd score a hat trick and he'd still find a little something I did wrong that day. he was no Lavar Ball type parent/coach thought but it was just annoying like enjoy the fact your son had a good game rather then point out what I did wrong. A good game son never hurts. Maybe later that night or during the week in practice bring it up but geez.
DJackson10
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And when they seem to care more about the political environment rather then showing me highlights and reporting on the sports as is. Seriously can we go a week without any of these networks bringing race, religion or politics into the debate? We all loved sports because it got us away from everyday BS but it seems nothing is sacred anymore.
DJackson10
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Maybe his issue is a lot of us would say if you removed Curry with LeBron and that happened the Refs probably aren't fast enough to whistle for the foul. Basically certain players get treated way differently then the rest of the players. Even stars some get certain Treatment over others. I remember Rose his time in Chicago going to the rim almost getting killed a few times about Mia no call. Breakway down the court someone barely touches Lebron's jersey the whistles are everywhere. I remember similar things happening to AI and then watching say KB and those same fouls got called but silent when AI was getting mauled. That's the type of consistency or inconsistency fans really complain about. Either it's a foul for both or neither and let them play. Picking favorites does the NBA no good.
DJackson10
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No I don't but MJ also didn't do that consistently. For the most part it was him taking the last shot. For every game he passed on the last shot there's about 15 you could argue he didn't. Can't say the same about LeBron.
Synthesizer
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Lmao. Here are his averages from the last 3 finals.
36/13/9
30/11/9
29/13/11
Just think what he could do if he wasn't so "timid".
Ghost Rider
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Wilson is strange. He can be so level-headed on one topic and then an irrational meathead on the next.
Niles Standish
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So what do you think is a better play? LeBron shooting a double covered 18 footer or Ray Allen/Kyle Korver taking a wide open 3? People want LeBron to be Jordan. That's because they don't understand what LeBron is. He's not Jordan. Jordan was a scorer first everything else second. LeBron is as good of a passer as he is a scorer. Magic often passed when the moment was big, Bird passed the ball to Dennis Johnson, Bill Russell grabbed offensive rebounds and threw them over to Sam Jones to ice the game. There is more than one way to be great. I'm not saying LeBron is the best of all time, but it's getting pretty hard to argue that he's not top 5 at this point and the guy might still have a few more big moments in him.
Bruce Dickinson
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msudaisy26
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You are just making this up. Everything I looked up says he had 28 game winners, 22 were field goal attempts, 6 times were at the free throw line. He also missed 26 times. That is 54 and you are telling me he only passed 4 times in those end of game situations? I find that very difficult to believe.
Bruce Dickinson
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So.... umm.... anybody gonna watch the game tonight?
Short Corner
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fantasycurse42
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Wouldn't mind the Cavs making it interesting, but wouldn't mind seeing GS go undefeated in the playoffs either.
DJackson10
Footballguy
People were bringing LeBron up as the Next Jordan in fact putting the guy in the HoF and putting him over everyone well before his first game. Look I don't blame LeBron for the hype I blame the media and the sport who were so desperate to replace MJ. To me Kobe was more Jordan then LeBron on demeanor, play, competitiveness, toughness etc. I've been saying this for yrs people want LeBron to be Jordan because well thats what everyone in the NBA and mother have been telling us since the dude was in HS. Watch the something is gonna happen with Simmons as people keep saying oh he's the next LeBron. I think it's more so people are throwing the blame for him not being Jordan because it's easier then blaming the media. A lot of us who have watched both eras think this era is very soft and it seems many in the media will defend this era till it's blue in the face. So really if the media isn't gonna listen us then LeBron becomes the punching bag for so many of us. Also Neither player is the same type of player. I really hate when media and fans throw player comparisons around that make little to no sense. This isn't me saying LeBron sucks. However in Mia he got way more adulation for a finals win where Ray Allen and Mike Miller if he didn't have them probably loses and the officials missed a blatant shooting foul on Mia on Danny Green's 3. The media will blame LeBron for the loses but he takes all the credit for the wins. I get that however there were other key players. If Cleland loses this finals it's not all his fault but you can blame him for pressuring Gilbert and the Cavs for giving Trystan Thompson a huge deal that didn't do the Cavs any favors of adding better depth and role players. I wasn't really posting on here during the time but I said to friends and anyone who'd listen signing Thompson again to such a huge contract won't do Cleland any favors. Sure they'll get to the Finals but don't be surprised if they lose because they have no room now cap wise to add solid depth players.
Yeah I;d be an idiot if I didn't pass to a wide open Allen/Korver but that's not the point here. The point was there's been times in his career especially early on where LeBron seemed very timid to try anything. Remember him quitting on the Cavs in the early days of the playoffs that one year? You think Magic, MJ Bird etc would've ever done of that? LeBron is a talented player but he plays in an era where athletes in all sports are babied and their bad mechanics and play are enabled by poor rules because these leagues wan't more offense to keep the casual fan involved. I was on another board talking about the NFL bad ratings this year and attributed to the NFL catering more to the casual fan and fantasy players which is driving the old school fan away. I'm sure the Kapernick situation didn't help but I don't think that caused as much of an impact as some would think. Ratings were dropping in the NFL well before that. Unfortunately a lot of people can't stay still for a few hours and enjoy the game and need constant brain stimulation which is why Soccer in this country will never be as popular as it is everywhere else in the world.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Bad mechanics? Seriously?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
To me LeBron is more Jordan than Kobe in terms of being good at playing basketball.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm not making it up. I'm saying MJ has been more clutch here's a stat from Marc Stein after the Tor game last Feb
Marc Stein ✔@ESPNSteinLine
Late LeBron miss in Toronto left him 5-for-47 over last 10 seasons on game-tying or go-ahead FGs in last five seconds of fourth quarter & OT
10:29 AM - 29 Feb 2016
So all and all LeBron has 22 less Game winning shots then MJ in almost the same amount of Chances. Again that tells me LeBron isn't as clutch as Jordan. Yeah my numbers were off sure but I was trying to basically say he's been way more clutch then lebron ever was in his entire career which I'm right on. LeBron Playoff wise has I believe now passed MJ on Playoff winning shots but LeBron has had more total chances or attempts at Playoff GWs then MJ and that could come down to a lot of reasons. 1 Jordan's Bulls literally dominated the competition in the playoffs so there was not much of a need, 2 Jordan may not of taken the Shot as you showed in an example or 3 LeBron just has had more overall chances do to yrs of service and games played. Remember most of the NBA playoffs in MJ's time was a best of 5 series. LeBron has always played in Best of 7. That's comparable to the NFL which I believe was at one point 14 games a year compared to the 16 now. Then in CFB now you have the possible 12 games and 4 teams who play 2 more possible for a National Title.
DJackson10
Footballguy
That's pretty rough hope you don't have work. I get up Early just to watch Soccer if I'm not working on Weekends and during olympic/and Soccer Tourney's. I can only imagine just waking up that early to watch something with a time difference like that.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I see so many players with such a funky shot, poor Basketball IQ etc its not even funny. Look at Simmons and Ball's shooting mechinics. Neither one would i ever tell a kid to try and emulate. Too many players today are more focused on getting on the top 10 of SC and the highlight real where fundamental basketball is almost non existent. I guess it's why I love watching college and some of these coaches as they still teach their guys that. I love watching the Local Philly schools especially Nova because Wright is always teaching the fundamentals. There's other schools coaches who do it as well. This just isn't basketball as it's happening in a lot of sports too. Too many guys playing what I like to call hero ball especially Westbrook. Talented player sure but he's the type of guy who's gonna lose you as many games as win them for you,
wikkidpissah
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LeBron may have more with which to beat you than any player ever. But his massive ability and immense will masks an average+ gamehead. He's not going to figure out how to beat you. The greats (Magic, Jordan, Russ, Bird) worked an entire game to have down, or their opponent set up for, what they needed when it counted. That's never been a part of James's game and will keep him out of my top spot.
Capella
Footballguy
Lebron, no shtick, is one of the best basketball minds to have ever played. You couldn't possibly be more wrong here.
TobiasFunke
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I stand by it. Usually having rooted against him, i have had plenty of opportunity to dread what he's about to do and, for all the times i've worried that he'll figure out how to beat me, not once have i worried that he already has it figured out.
Capella
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wikkidpissah
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Bull Dozier
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bananafish
Footballguy
For me, any notion that LeBron didn't think twelve moves ahead went out the window when he instigated Draymond's infamous nut brush at the end of game four last year. It was so egregious, yet so masterful at the same time. And it worked.
Dedfin
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All due respect pissah, I don't think in a game of 1 on 1, Lebron needs to spend much time figuring out how to beat you
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wikkidpissah
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my gameline - 11 min, 0/6,1/2, 1 PT, 1 R, 2 A, 9 TO, 2 charging fouls drawn, 1 hospitalizationAll due respect pissah, I don't think in a game of 1 on 1, Lebron needs to spend much time figuring out how to beat you
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