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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (2 Viewers)
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Niles Standish
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Fixed your post. I'd totally understand where he was coming from if the salary hit helped the Warriors get another player or pay someone else on the team more money. But as far as I can tell it does not do that at all. KD is going to get as many titles as he wants either way. Probably a whole lot more than 3.
NutterButter
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You dont know what they would have done with iggy or livingston if they paid Durant more
Insein
Footballguy
This gives GS maneuverability going into next year too. Curry sucking up all that space would've made it really tough to keep the band together if KD took a huge chunk. Draymond and Klay are going to want theirs soon.
You really should do some more research on this before pretending like you know what you are talking about.
Short Corner
Footballguy
They are operating under the cap until Iggy/Steph/Livingston officially ink their deals. They don't have the Bird rights for anyone else, including KD. Saying his salary doesn't affect the way the rest of the team is composed is a bit premature and will ultimately be wrong IMO.
Short Corner
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Sebowski
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Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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Gallo to clips in a 3 team sign and trade involving the hawks and nuggets.
dAnny Leroux floated the idea on Thebes's last pod and it seemed more like just some fanciful thought experiment.
dAnny Leroux floated the idea on Thebes's last pod and it seemed more like just some fanciful thought experiment.
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Boston
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Surprised he is "only" getting 3 and 65...that is a great contract for the Clips...really looks like last summer was the one to be a free agent...
Kev4029
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Unless the Nuggets are getting a first round pick, I don't understand why they would do this. Cap wise, it makes no difference to them, it's just adding to another playoff contender in the west. I'm not even sure that a first round pick makes it worth it, unless they can flip that in a package to get a Jae Crowder type SF.
Kev4029
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If he plays 70-75 games a year it is a great contract, but he has the unfortunate condition of having some chronic issues (back, knee) and being brittle otherwise. He's played over 71 games once in his career and probably averages in the high 50s.
Charlie Harper
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Just want to say I'm happy the Dubs resigned everyone to smart deals. Livingston is a steal and Iggy was limited to 3 years. West is back and would love to have McGee or Zaza back, but not both because they need to see what Looney, Jones, and Bell can provide. I'm down on Looney since he hasn't looked fluid, but he's still a year younger than the other guys. Young would be a solid addition. The Dubs have a great environment for a player like him and need some more scoring volatility off the bench, which they lost when Speights and Barbosa were let go. Clark is solid and steady on offense, but his size limits his defense which makes him expendable.
Surprisingly most teams are making good moves except for the Celtics!
Surprisingly most teams are making good moves except for the Celtics!
Kev4029
Footballguy
The difference between the $31.X million deal that was reported to be what he was taking a week ago and taking $25million or whatever is strictly a move to reduce Lacob's luxury tax bill. Ownership was probably saying that they couldn't bring back Iggy and Livingston at their contracts without reducing liabilities somewhere else.
Juxtatarot
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Zach Lowe Verified account @ZachLowe_NBA 26m26 minutes ago
Main issue w/ Clippers nabbing Gallo is that he needs to play a lot of PF already, and more as he gets older.
To expand on Zach's point, I don't see what the Clippers plan is here. All that money tied up in two PFs and a C. Seems like they will be, at best, an average team in the West for the foreseeable future.
Main issue w/ Clippers nabbing Gallo is that he needs to play a lot of PF already, and more as he gets older.
To expand on Zach's point, I don't see what the Clippers plan is here. All that money tied up in two PFs and a C. Seems like they will be, at best, an average team in the West for the foreseeable future.
Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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Nuggets are essentially getting a 2nd round draft pick for facilitating the Clippers right to get Gallinari. No other impact on them.
Nuggets will S&T Gallinari, then sign Millsap with cap room. They’ll then have enough room to retain Plumlee RFA (with $2M-$5M to spare).
Other mechanical stuff including why/how millsap has the third year ng https://mobile.twitter.com/AlbertNahmad
Nuggets will S&T Gallinari, then sign Millsap with cap room. They’ll then have enough room to retain Plumlee RFA (with $2M-$5M to spare).
Other mechanical stuff including why/how millsap has the third year ng https://mobile.twitter.com/AlbertNahmad
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
And GS is apparently one of the likely destinations for Crawford once the Hawks buy them out.
I am done with this team, FTS.
I am done with this team, FTS.
Charlie Harper
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I'd rather have Young over Crawford. Young can play average D if motivated.Good Posting Judge said:
Insein
Footballguy
Yes because KD and his agent are collosal morons.Kev4029 said:
The Agent knows how the cap works and if he thought his client was getting screwed he'd have said so. KD did this because GS does need the space. Not this year but over the next 2 to keep it all together as long as they can. KD wants to be wearing at least 3 rings when he's done.
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Boston
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And he also makes a boatload of $ outside of the actual game and playing and winning titles with the Warriors is good for the KD brand...
Good Posting Judge
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And z-bo 2/24. Don't hate this either. Kings have a couple vets to mentor the kids and make the kids earn their playing time. Running 8 1st and 2nd year players out there was not going to go well. Hill contract only partially guaranteed, so they are only really committed to these two for two years.
Otto must have turned them down or they got scared by Washington threatening to match.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
The moratorium really hurts restricted free agents. Most of the cap money and quality unrestricted free agents are gone before the three day ticker can even start. It would be really fun if they eliminated the moratorium and allowed only one day to match.
Kev4029
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It's essentially a one year deal, the future years have nothing to do with this contract.Yes because KD and his agent are collosal morons.
The Agent knows how the cap works and if he thought his client was getting screwed he'd have said so. KD did this because GS does need the space. Not this year but over the next 2 to keep it all together as long as they can. KD wants to be wearing at least 3 rings when he's done.
Chemical X
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not sure if was posted here, but I heard knicks and melo are open to a move to the rockets; however, it seems only ryan anderson fits and he has 1 more year on his deal than melo. I assume anderson is a real solid stretch 4, but the knicks have use for him. could they flip him somewhere? is there a market for him......Celtics?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Rumors were the Rockets were trying to trade Anderson for cap space but teams wanted two firsts to accompany him. It would be a hard sell.
rockaction
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Roto's got it, too - never known rumors to be wrong when both them have it. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Juxtatarot
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Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account @wojespn 2m2 minutes ago
The Utah Jazz are still waiting to be told of Gordon Hayward's intentions, league source tells ESPN. Hayward hasn't told them his plans yet.
Still hope?
The Utah Jazz are still waiting to be told of Gordon Hayward's intentions, league source tells ESPN. Hayward hasn't told them his plans yet.
Still hope?
NutterButter
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Boom. Reach the eastern conference finals and add a top 20ish player and the #3 pick. Not a bad off season.
Juxtatarot
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David Aldridge Verified account @daldridgetnt 1m1 minute ago
Okay. Strap in. Told by a source w/knowledge of the process that Gordon Hayward has NOT made a decision yet & is still in the process. FWIW.
Okay. Strap in. Told by a source w/knowledge of the process that Gordon Hayward has NOT made a decision yet & is still in the process. FWIW.
rockaction
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modogg
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not surprised at all. Really hope he signs with Utah now just to screw all of these media types dying to get the word out first, and the Celtics PR machine can be put into question again.
Juxtatarot
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Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account @wojespn 2m2 minutes ago
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN: "Gordon hasn't made a decision yet. We are still working through it."
(Personally I think it's going to be Boston though.)
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN: "Gordon hasn't made a decision yet. We are still working through it."
(Personally I think it's going to be Boston though.)
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wikkidpissah
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Yeah, Roto was quoting the tweet. No independent confirmation. Could be this Haynes trying to make a rep - he tweeted this morning about the Celts confidence. Pickles back in jar
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modogg
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Agreed, likely is working on the details, still is some real shameful reporting to try and get the news out so quick you flop the whole thing.
Funny thing is i don't think Heyward really makes that much of a difference for the Celtics. Maybe in a year or 2 if some of their young guys can develop, but still have virtually no rim protection.
wikkidpissah
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Chris Mannix confirming now - that's pretty big
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Crippling blow for Jazz if true. They go from middish West playoff team to one of the worst IMO
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modogg
Footballguy
yup, hurts Jazz the most out of all of this. Was strange because they were reporting how Heyward was the one who pushed the Jazz to go after Rubio, and signing Ingles was supposed to be huge because him and Heyward are real good friends. This one seemed to be the media darling though since the sports world missed out on the Butler and George trades, this one was certainly being over-reported.
Boston
Footballguy
That's a big one for me...although I am not making a comment until it's official...
modogg
Footballguy
seems like it is all Boston media reporting he signed and all national people are saying it hasn't been done yet. Good call to walk away from it all and come back after the dust settles, silly reporting
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It's amazing how well Boston is situated in all this. Even if they passed on Butler and George, and miss out on Hayward, they still have all those picks!
I doubt they are terrible if they are healthy. They have some talented players left and they are well coached. But the playoffs seem like they are way out of reach given how the rest of the offseason has played out in the West.
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